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appollo1
01-09-10, 09:42 AM
I'm going to have a serious rant here folks so bear with me. please NO sarcastic comments!!
I am not in a good mood today and being miles from home when a problem occurs is not helping. I am 360 miles away from home working away for a couple of months and get home every other weekend.
About a week before i left my rabbit had some babies, 7 in total. It was planned as I put my girl with my neighbours boy and 4 weeks later the babies arrived. I have people that I have agreed can have a baby bunny when they are ready to be re-homed (Fenjer yours is safe). The owner of the boy bunny was going to have one to keep theirs company and as a thank you for their boys "donation". One of the conditions for rehoming is that if the new owner decides that they no longer want the rabbit no matter how long after having it, then to return it to us and not just get rid by themselves.
However the owner of the donor rabbit has decided that they want to give the one they were having to someone else. The problem is the person they want to give it to is not a responsible pet owner, or parent as far as i am concerned. They have had numerous dogs over the past few years just to breed and make money. Also one of the dogs has recently been taken off them as it kept attacking other dogs and had killed their previous rabbit.
My wife has told the owner of the daddy rabbit that no way does she want this other person having the baby as she is not a responsible pet owner. The replies my wife has had have been what can only be described as threatening!! :smt013
The daddy owner has said that there was a verbal agreement for her to have a baby which there was, but she is saying that she can do what she wants with HER baby and she WILL be TAKING one no matter what.:smt013
With me being so far away I am absolutely furious with this person and her threats to take one is just peeing me off more. She has a spare key for our house and has now said that we are not getting our key back until she has her rabbit :smt013:smt013:smt013:smt013
I am worried that my wife is going to get ill with all the hassle as she is not in good health anyway.
and breathe..........ok rant over
And to think there are people out there with no arms and legs, dying of hunger, being blown to bits in wars and being consumed by disease. :rolleyes:
Its a rabbit. Tell the neighbour to stuff it. If she comes in your house its tresspass.
done.
Next...
:)
yorkie_chris
01-09-10, 09:50 AM
Lock barrels are cheap :)
Dicky Ticker
01-09-10, 09:53 AM
Two smoking barrels can be terminal
454697819
01-09-10, 09:53 AM
Lock barrels are cheap :)
agreed
£10 from B&Q if its a UPVC door...this would be my solution, any attempt to enter the house is trespass and reasonable force can be used..
Lock barrels are cheap :)
wot he said
independentphoto
01-09-10, 10:10 AM
No law of Tresspass in Scotland ladies & gentlemen, but agreed - no bunny for an idiot and if that's what they're like, definately no key!
Owenski
01-09-10, 10:12 AM
So the daddy owner is quite happy for her baby rabbit to become dog food?
Sod changing the locks, by the sounds of it you should move. They sound to be some complete retards in your current area.
yorkie_chris
01-09-10, 10:15 AM
So the daddy owner is quite happy for her baby rabbit to become dog food?
Or people food, time for BBQ :mrgreen:
OTOH, I'll take a couple :-P
im sure your wife will cope with it all very well. If neighbour comes into the house set the kids on her or hit her over the head with something - just once (reasonable force). your wife is on her own and thought someone was breaking in - she will get away with it. dont give the rabbit to them.
No law of Tresspass in Scotland ladies & gentlemen,
So someone comes into your house "uninvited" whats the law in Scotland called then? I can't see it being legal if I wanter in off the street and sit on someone's sofa for a week. They'd call the police.
and I'd be arrested for?...
Owenski
01-09-10, 10:56 AM
been sat in thier comfy place, bloody annoying when guests (invited or not) do that.
timwilky
01-09-10, 11:33 AM
It is only a rabbit, what's the issue. Who cares!
where you live is MOD property so the other party must be part of the RAF. phone up your squad sgt and tell them the score.
appollo1
01-09-10, 12:20 PM
where you live is MOD property so the other party must be part of the RAF. phone up your squad sgt and tell them the score.
they wouldn't be interested Bibio. It's hard enough trying to get someone to do something about the youths hanging about causing damage nearby.
I can see me getting back from my detachment to find that we have 6 bunnies altogether as Mrs A won't let them go unless it's to a good home.
I find having a cigarette calms me down. Sorry Rick, bad joke.
Littlepeahead
01-09-10, 02:21 PM
Get your wife to go to the local game dealer or butcher, buy a stewing rabbit and put it in the pot Fatal Attraction style and leave on your neighbour's doorstep with a note saying 'Here's your rabbit'. Then take all your live bunnies to a safe place where they live happily ever after.
whose rabits are they ?
your, then keep them, end of.
mind you just say they got out and ran away..........
you got a new batch via DHL etc...
I find having a cigarette calms me down. Sorry Rick, bad joke.
You're a bad man. :smt045
Specialone
01-09-10, 05:34 PM
Its not just a rabbit imo, its the fecking principle.
Giving a defenceless animal to a family of window lickers who have no idea how to wipe their noses let alone look after a 'pet' is wrong and your right to be angry.
And using threatening behaviour with your missus is also wrong, when you go home next i think you need to explain the errors of their ways.
Why did you give your mad neighbours your house key.... I can understand giving a key to a normal neighbour that you have got on with very very well for years. Surely if they have acted like this over a rabbit then they have acted up before?!
I'd change the lock to eradicate the possibility of 'we have spares'. If one rabit happens to die, throw it over the fence. Job Done, they got their rabbits. If they all live.... make a pie.
hindle8907
01-09-10, 06:05 PM
sounds like more hassle than its worth, its a rabbit just give it them and get your key back.
I think I would rather have my door key back from the stupid neighbour than get worked up and frustrated about 1 rabbit which your not even attached to.
Change the locks anyway. They sound like wrong 'uns. Wouldn't surprise me with all this trouble that they would copy your key!!!
So someone comes into your house "uninvited" whats the law in Scotland called then? I can't see it being legal if I wanter in off the street and sit on someone's sofa for a week. They'd call the police.
and I'd be arrested for?...
there is a trespass law of sorts in scotland but it does not include 'trespassing on ones property' as in english law.
It is a perpetual myth that there are no trespass laws in Scotland. Even before the recent Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, trespass has long been a delict (civil wrong) which is remediable by the remedies of interdict and damages. However, The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 amends the Trespass (Scotland) Act 1865 and establishes a statutory right of access.
Certain types of trespass have been criminal since the Trespass (Scotland) Act 1865 was passed, an Act no-one has ever heard of. Section 3 makes it an offence for any person to lodge in any premises, or occupy or encamp on any land, being private property, without the consent of the owner or legal occupier. Admittedly this section envisages a degree of permanency which will not be present in every situation of trespass.
above taken from: http://www.siliconglen.com/Scotland/1_8.html
but there is a couple of laws that are for this purpose in scotland some of which are 'breaking and entering' and 'unlawful entry'. there is also a law which entitles the parent to 'protect children' in case of aggravated entry.
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-10, 07:59 PM
So someone comes into your house "uninvited" whats the law in Scotland called then? I can't see it being legal if I wanter in off the street and sit on someone's sofa for a week. They'd call the police.
and I'd be arrested for?...
Possibly nothing if they had a key given to them by the owner and there was no intent to steal......[/devils advocate]
but there is a couple of laws that are for this purpose in scotland some of which are 'breaking and entering' and 'unlawful entry'. there is also a law which entitles the parent to 'protect children' in case of aggravated entry.
WRONG!
No such thing as breaking and entering in Scotland. There is Theft by Housebreaking or Housebreaking with Intent to steal or Attemted Housebreaking with iIntent to steal, which are common law crimes and using a true key would NOT be constituted as housebreaking. As for the "unlawful entry" that doesn't exist either and can I have a link to the law for parents protecting children please? Or at least an Act and section???
My advice in this is that as you are on MOD property, you notify your Sgt of the situation. I take it that it would be the MP's that police this? If so, can your wife make a report to the MP's as threatening behaviour such as this can constitute a breach of the peace. I would also contact a solicitor and ask them to write a letter demanding the return of the key.
I know that it's the principle of it, but I would advise you get your wife to contact a locksmith and change locks. Then if they do gain entry to the property, it is most definately a crime.
yorkie_chris
01-09-10, 08:00 PM
You don't need a locksmith, just a screwdriver. Is cheaper :)
Biker Biggles
01-09-10, 08:07 PM
If the rabbit is yours and they come into your house(even with a key)and take your rabbit,I bet that is theft,Scotland or not.
ok you know the law.. so i'll shut the furk up.
as to the children thing. a judge sent someone down for 6 months after coming to my door and assaulting me with a knife so i kicked the shiz out of him as my kids were there and i feared for their life. it got to court and my brief spouted some 'in the case of so and so' and the judge sent the azzhole down.
your right about housebreaking so i'll suz me gob and go back to sleep.
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-10, 08:09 PM
If the rabbit is yours and they come into your house(even with a key)and take your rabbit,I bet that is theft,Scotland or not.
Erm, no, not now it has been posted on an open forum that there was a verbal agreement. That makes it a civil matter meaning it would have to be taken through a civil court, using solicitors.
yorkie_chris
01-09-10, 08:11 PM
What's the market value of a rabbit? FFS....
I'm going more towards eat it.
Milky Bar Kid
01-09-10, 08:11 PM
ok you know the law.. so i'll shut the furk up.
as to the children thing. a judge sent someone down for 6 months after coming to my door and assaulting me with a knife so i kicked the shiz out of him as my kids were there and i feared for their life. it got to court and my brief spouted some 'in the case of so and so' and the judge sent the azzhole down.
your right about housebreaking so i'll suz me gob and go back to sleep.
Yeh, that's not an actual law, that's a good solicitor backing up your case using previous cases to prove that in protecting yourself and your family you used reasonable force, it is not an actual law if you know what I mean?
Biker Biggles
01-09-10, 08:14 PM
Erm, no, not now it has been posted on an open forum that there was a verbal agreement. That makes it a civil matter meaning it would have to be taken through a civil court, using solicitors.
But which rabbit?They cant just waltz into your house and take what they want can they?Without first getting a court order to enable them to sieze the goods legally?In England I know of a case where a couple split up and the man went to the house and "stole" his own property which was there.And he got done for it.
anyway, i like the rabbit stew idea. i can go up on saturday and do the stew if you like.
dont worry about it mate it will all blow over. its wimin getting all broody over little bunny wabits and letting their hormones run riot. have you ever seen what they are like at summers party's or hen nights when there is a male stripper. that says it all.
Biker Biggles
01-09-10, 08:22 PM
I wish to register a complaint
This wabit wot I bought not five minutes ago has become part of a stew.
Im hopping mad.
hindle8907
01-09-10, 08:23 PM
nout wrong with a bit of rabbit yum yum, thats the last time I had it 2008
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo290/hindle8907/DSC00998.jpg
nout wrong with a bit of rabbit yum yum, thats the last time I had it 2008
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo290/hindle8907/DSC00998.jpg
thats it i'm off to the butcher 2morra. not had bunny in a looooooonnnnngggg time.
yorkie_chris
01-09-10, 08:28 PM
No fair. Still not got my parts for the airgun and I've got 17 acres to shoot over down the road!!
hindle8907
01-09-10, 09:31 PM
gixxer front again soon chris, u making us some rabbit sarnies :D
its wimin getting all broody over little bunny wabits and letting their hormones run riot. have you ever seen what they are like at summers party's
that is a different kind of rabbit ;) that is a rabbit worth fighting for :p
Paul the 6th
02-09-10, 01:31 PM
http://www.topsir.com/d/2008-10/Cute-rabbit-1440-900-widescreen-32511.jpg
:( please don't hurt the rabbits!
Bedhead
02-09-10, 01:43 PM
nout wrong with a bit of rabbit yum yum, thats the last time I had it 2008
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo290/hindle8907/DSC00998.jpg
That looks bloody lovely!
My granny lived with us when I was a kid, she was a country woman so I was eating rabbit as long as I can remember, I had a girl in my class burst into tears when she heard what I had for dinner one night. :rolleyes:
the_lone_wolf
02-09-10, 02:05 PM
wOSseI1hao8
Now't wrong with a bit of rabbit - remember staying with some friends down Somerset way a few years back and we went rabbiting on their farmland with a 12 guage
Bagged a few and his missus cooked them up the next day
Yum yum...:mrgreen:
I "Pick my own" on a regular basis too. Makes a damn fine thai curry!
gruntygiggles
02-09-10, 02:30 PM
Appollo, I can absolutely see why you are raging on this one. I would definately get a new lock in place of the one they have a key for. Next time they use that argument, just tell them score and that they may as well chuck their key in the bin.
As for the rabbits, it's going to be a civil matter I guess, so I would tell them that as you believe that the rabbit will be given to an unsuitable home, you are unwilling to give it up and so, if they want it, they will have to take you to a small claims court. Get your wife to make a log of what has been said, when it has been said and keep doing this just in case you need it.
If it does go to this level, which I highly doubt, then there has been a breach of the verbal contract on both sides, starting with theirs, so you should be ok anyway. Your condition was that the rabbits stay with the new owners and go back to you should they be unable to keep them for any length of time. In offering the rabbit promised to them, they are in breach, so you would be seen as being justified. They may just make you pay costs for the "services" of their rabbit as a sire.
This is all guesswork though in what I believe would happen going on what has happened that I know about in equine cases.
appollo1
02-09-10, 03:11 PM
thanks for all your comments folks
I think that Mrs A has got too attached to the babies but I can understand that she wants them to go to a good home so they will be looked after. every day at the moment she has them out the hutch and gives them all cuddles so they are used to being handled.
i cannot change the locks as it is MOD property and too much hassle to get permission.
I do believe it has calmed down now but i'll see when i go home next weekend.
gruntygiggles
02-09-10, 03:14 PM
Cool, fingers crossed for you Mate. If nothing else, ask for your key back...if they sy no, get the Sgt. involved, they have no right to keep hold of it, regardless of the situation with the rabbit.
Milky Bar Kid
02-09-10, 05:55 PM
But which rabbit?They cant just waltz into your house and take what they want can they?Without first getting a court order to enable them to sieze the goods legally?In England I know of a case where a couple split up and the man went to the house and "stole" his own property which was there.And he got done for it.
The problem comes when their is no crime to prove. And that's in England, he wouldn't have been brought to a criminal court for that in Scotland. It would have been dealt with in a civil court. Kinda have to deal with similar everyday dude so have some idea...! ;)
However, that being said....I would have managed to scrape a case for a Breach of the Peace together from all of this.
Shellywoozle
02-09-10, 06:02 PM
you have PM - sorry i have not read your thread hun xx :( bad shell
SoulKiss
02-09-10, 07:28 PM
thanks for all your comments folks
I think that Mrs A has got too attached to the babies but I can understand that she wants them to go to a good home so they will be looked after. every day at the moment she has them out the hutch and gives them all cuddles so they are used to being handled.
i cannot change the locks as it is MOD property and too much hassle to get permission.
I do believe it has calmed down now but i'll see when i go home next weekend.
Go to the Police/MP's and report that the neighbour has your property which was loaned to them (the key) and are refusing to return it after a reasonable request from you.
The fact its a door key SHOULD stop any "but they gave it to me to keep" type dispute.
Simples
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