View Full Version : Bike theives - get what they deserve?
Paul the 6th
04-09-10, 06:48 PM
Not sure if this is gonna end up 10+ pages long or end up with someone dropping the C*** bomb but I heard earlier this week a biker had been killed on York ring road in a collision with an Audi A3...
Sad news I thought at the time.
Then it transpired that the bike had actually been stolen on tuesday last week and that the rider of the bike (zx9r) was killed when he crossed onto the wrong side of the road and collided with an on coming car.
Full news story here: http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8368825.York_death_crash_biker_named/?ref=mr
If my bike was stolen, I'd be wishing the worst of endings on the person that fiddled with my beloved machine which I work hard to buy & tweak & enjoy, but then this guy was somebody's son/brother/friend... He may have made some wrong choices (unclear as yet whether he stole the bike himself) but if he hadn't been riding the stolen bike he would probably still be walking, talking and breathing this second..
What's your stance on it?
Biker Biggles
04-09-10, 06:54 PM
I dont believe in the death penalty but I would like to see bike thieves given the sort of hiding that would make them think twice about ever doing it again.
danf1234
04-09-10, 06:55 PM
Paul, I am from York also.
Have a read of this post I put up earlier about it!
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=156982
but if he hadn't been riding the stolen bike he would probably still be walking, talking and breathing this second..
Don't get how you reach that conclusion, unless you mean he wouldn't have been riding a bike at all - it wasn't a pursuit or anything so if he'd been riding a legal bike then he'd still have had the accident.
If he had pinched it (which isn't clear from the article) then there is some kind of natural justice and I can't raise much sympathy, but I'd wouldn't actively wish it on anybody.
What goes around and all that. I have no real 'belief' in any way but I maintain that everything happens for a reason. He may/may not have stolen the bike but if he didn't he would have been playing his part by riding the stolen bike (either outright knowledge that it was stolen, or buying it from am bloke in the pub knowing that all may not be above board) and riding in a very obviously endangering way. If that was the choices and way of life he chose then things would have caught up with him sooner or later. Things happened to lead to that impact and he made them happen. I feel sorry for the car driver and any passengers. They will have to live with that moment for the rest of their lives.
Cornish
04-09-10, 07:41 PM
its one of those stories where if it was your own bike youd prob not be to bothered about what happened (trying not to sound to evil!) but still sorry to hear he died..
and same as svrich sa.. the car driver was got something horrible to live with from now on.
Sid Squid
04-09-10, 08:08 PM
Too many 'ifs', but if it transpires he had nicked it then my sympathy for him is extremely limited. I have far more sympathy for anyone else involved in the collision, injured or not.
By extension: The above doesn't mean I think that thieves deserve to be killed, but I do have a certain sense of a Karma-alike sort of thing in circumtances like these, by which I mean we make our own luck and we are all of us the architects of our own futures.
maviczap
04-09-10, 08:18 PM
Like SS its karma
Not so long ago a guy got electrocuted stealing copper wire from a electricity sub station in Ipswich. His family said he was an angel, the general public gave their thoughts on the local papers website
If you play the hard game, then expect to get hurt sometime
ethariel
04-09-10, 08:20 PM
Oh i do indeed wish that my bike morphs into a Vampire Motorcycle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbvqz-nv7Zw) and gets its revenge, but we do live in the real world.
All i can hope is that the scum who stole mine die slowly from some painfull and incurable form of cancer or get randomly murdered by some crack head looking to score a few quid for his next fix.
Failing that, me finding out who it was and where they live would be a bonus!
widepants
04-09-10, 08:23 PM
Id settle for the robbing towrags to get their fookin heads kicked in
cb1000rsteve
04-09-10, 08:29 PM
Tough sh*t. If the scroat hadn't nicked it he wouldn't be dead. Saves us tax payers paying to keep him in prison for the next year. Sorry i was being silly as if he would of been put inside. Probably given a hug and free days out.
andrewsmith
04-09-10, 08:32 PM
I'm the boat of "he got what they deserved"
has happened few times recently in my area
andrewsmith
04-09-10, 08:32 PM
I'm the boat of "he got what they deserved"
has happened few times recently in my area
maviczap
05-09-10, 08:17 AM
Echo echo echo :p
I really don't care what happened to the rider/thief and have little or no sympathy for them, I'm more concerned that he may have injured or killed someone else by his selfish actions and that the owner of the bike is now bikeless and out of pocket as a result.
As Sid says, I don't wish death on bike thieves, but if they go and kill themselves then that's their look out - they knew what they were doing was wrong so that's their tough s**t.
metalangel
05-09-10, 11:42 AM
Was it someone here who had/knew a guy who had his Blackbird nicked by scrotes? They got about halfway down the street with it before losing control and crashing.
widepants
05-09-10, 11:45 AM
Was it someone here who had/knew a guy who had his Blackbird nicked by scrotes? They got about halfway down the street with it before losing control and crashing.
I had a zxr 750 that was nicked by some cnut from the garage one night.Funny thing was the front brakes were off for replacement so he used a brick wall to stop
Nobody deserves to die, whatever they have done. I don't believe in 'karma' or 'everything happens for a reason'. As for sympathy - well yes I do feel sorry for the bloke. It's far too big a price to pay.
fizzwheel
05-09-10, 06:10 PM
Nobody deserves to die, whatever they have done.
Something I also believe in. However this is a stark reminder that for every action we take there are consequences. If he hadnt have pinched that bike, then maybe he wouldnt be dead now. You could argue that he payed the ultimate price for what he did. However arguing the toss over it now isnt going to change the outcome is it.
Specialone
05-09-10, 06:13 PM
Personally I am a firm believer in karma and millions of Indians will agree as well.
I wouldn't wish death on anyone ( well I haven't yet anyway) but also wouldn't shed a tear for anyone doing a bad deed and as a result got killed or injured.
You dance with the devil if you do this type of thing so can't complain too much when it happens.
If you live your life in a respectable way things should tip in your favour more often than not IMO.
Shellywoozle
05-09-10, 06:20 PM
Part of my job is to save life .... so I too agree with Ed on this one. I have a weird aspect on death, the thief is now dead and nothing matters as he/she don't know about it. The family is getting the back lash and the pain from what this person has done and will have to live with it forever.
I do not condone what the thief has done and I try and do my bit in this field and bring such people to justice.
But is being happy at others grief a good thing? I would feel anger, same as I do when I attend burglaries, car thefts etc at work ...... very emotive post.
my life is a misery because of bike thief's so therefore i wish every bike theif out there to drop dead. if there was a virus aimed specifically at bike thief's i would gladly let it out. SCUM OF THE FURKIN EARTH as far as i'm concerned. when they are caught they should be tattooed on the forehead with 'BIKE THIEF' so every one can have a go at them.
hindle8907
05-09-10, 07:16 PM
if it was my bike and i got news that the thief had crashed and killed him self, i would grin followed by a laugh and would feel over the moon the rest of the day.(rest of the week actually)
scum the world is a better place without them.
when my last bike was stolen brand new, on 3 year finance i had to pay a short fall of 1500 pounds and no longer had a bike...... I hope that every bike thief crashes and has a painfull death as long as they dont hurt anyone in the process.
my stance from the other thread.
Milky Bar Kid
06-09-10, 03:28 PM
my life is a misery because of bike thief's so therefore i wish every bike theif out there to drop dead. if there was a virus aimed specifically at bike thief's i would gladly let it out. SCUM OF THE FURKIN EARTH as far as i'm concerned. when they are caught they should be tattooed on the forehead with 'BIKE THIEF' so every one can have a go at them.
That is a mature, sensible, well thought out post.....! :rolleyes:
Tbh, I don't think something such as stealing a bike means you deserve to die. Not entirely sure anyone deserves to die. Whilst they may be scum, don't think a death sentence is proportionate.
Although, that said, I do kinda believe in karma....kinda...
wouldn't say i wish death upon them, but would like something bad to happen to teach them a proper lesson, so they've to live with knowing they made a huge mistake... as opposed to the riders' family now having to live with it.
need worse repercussions for people who steal bikes/cars/rob houses
BanannaMan
06-09-10, 09:01 PM
Personally I am a firm believer in karma and millions of Indians will agree as well.
I wouldn't wish death on anyone ( well I haven't yet anyway) but also wouldn't shed a tear for anyone doing a bad deed and as a result got killed or injured.
You dance with the devil if you do this type of thing so can't complain too much when it happens.
If you live your life in a respectable way things should tip in your favour more often than not IMO.
+1
I wouln't wish it on anyone but no sympathy for the thieving scrotes.
I think its excellent.
More fresh air for me, and one less anti social pikey scumbag thiefing little toe-rag to worry about.
FB page was quality :lol:
Owenski
08-09-10, 11:22 AM
I thought ed's point was that you dont know this guy stole the bike you just know he was riding it at the time.
If the article headline read: "Guy nicks bike then crashes it and dies, owner receives £10,000 instant payout" then I dont think anyone would argue - serves him right etc.
but to celebrate the death of someone who could be completely innocent is a little distastful as best.
If he done it once and got away, he will do it again. Its a thiefs nature.
yorkie_chris
08-09-10, 12:49 PM
I thought ed's point was that you dont know this guy stole the bike you just know he was riding it at the time.
If the article headline read: "Guy nicks bike then crashes it and dies, owner receives £10,000 instant payout" then I dont think anyone would argue - serves him right etc.
but to celebrate the death of someone who could be completely innocent is a little distastful as best.
Honestly how many completely innocent people do you think ride around like idiots, helmetless, on stolen bikes?
Person who theoretically gave the crackhead who nicked it £50 for the bike is as bad as the thief themself.
anyone here who has had a bike nicked would shoot the scum themselves if they could.
Owenski
08-09-10, 02:00 PM
Honestly how many completely innocent people do you think ride around like idiots, helmetless, on stolen bikes?
Person who theoretically gave the crackhead who nicked it £50 for the bike is as bad as the thief themself.
anyone here who has had a bike nicked would shoot the scum themselves if they could.
Honestly? - Well not many,
But I am the neive type who likes to think the best no matter how misguided it sometimes makes me. :grouphug: It must be the hippy drugs lol.
Helmetless? Lol, I missed that in the report sorry so admitantly this doesnt paint the deceased in a good light, an idiot? definetly - a bike thief? we'll prob never know.
yorkie_chris
08-09-10, 02:26 PM
Helmetless? Lol, I missed that in the report sorry so admitantly this doesnt paint the deceased in a good light, an idiot? definetly - a bike thief? we'll prob never know.
Actually, it does not say this in the report. My apologies!
Paul the 6th
08-09-10, 02:30 PM
nah that's the manchester helmetless bike thief thread...
Owenski
08-09-10, 02:41 PM
Actually, it does not say this in the report. My apologies!
Im disopointed now.
But never the less I shall print out that appology and frame it.
A car or bike is only a form of transport really. It's inanimate, it doesnt talk or otherwide interact. It's simply a posession, like a kettle. Humans tend to bestow emotion on these things, and the aquisition of same is the humans way of demonstrating their sense of style, wealth, and other tags about themselves.
Regretably, we get remarkably angry when these "markers" of our style and taste get taken by thieves.
Whils't arguably, there cannot be that many people who do not know its "wrong" to steal, largely your attitude to theft may be shaped by your environment and surroundings. An otherwise decent kid with a genuine dependency issue may be pushed to steal, not through choice, but through circumstance. A kid whos father is a car thief, will be more eccepting of this "life style choice". This isn't to "excuse" anyone, but not all humans are the same, and some more strong minded people may be able to influence their destiny, more effectively than others.
For example, there are plenty of people who perhaps were interfered with as kids. However, for everyone that goes off the rails, there are many that just "get on with life!". Indeed, my old trainee was such an example.
A bike thief may be someone who has genuine mechanical skills, but in todays modern life, unable to get a decent apprentiship, is unemployed, and is "diverted" into doing what they do. They still work around and with the onjects they love, in the only way they can.
Basically, its just a bit hjarsh to say someone who takes a bike deserves some form of arbitary and summary execution. You never quite know how that persons journey got them to that point. If you wished everyone who committed a crime some form of "suitable" punishment, then starving people doing a runner from Mcdonalds would choke to death on their burger, everyone who left a petrol forecourt without paying explode in a ball of flame, every teenage sweet shoplifter get crushed by a falling box of mars bars. Every fraudulant whiplash chaim, do they deserve emergence of throat cancer? NO!
People make mistakes. We have a judicial system that should educate, and provide people with a means to change direction of their lives. An alchoholic needs treatment, not locking up, and then let out to steal to fuind the habit again.
We also live in a world of temptation. The eastern europeans who come over here in vans to steal stuff, had a whole way of life and choice denied to them, by the state, who could blame them when they get to the UK and find shiny things just parked everywhere, like the streets being almost "paved" with gold.
Its too simplistic to just "wish death" on biker scum. And Karma doesn't do it, it fails to deal with why they "became" a thief in the first place. We are who we're born to be, and thats the great influence on our lives. I was lucky, son of a solicitor, private school, loving parents, which meant when things fell apart with eviction, parental death, ect, I had tools and contacts available to me to pick up the pieces. Others don't have that support in place, and I can see how froma promising start, I might be a big issue seller right now if things had been different.
Who would chose to be a bike thief, if the opportunity was easilly accessible to them not to be? Stealings all very well for a bit of a buzz, but whats that buzz replacing, and what happens to "pride of ownership"? They dont have it.
Just a few random thoughts, as I felt there were some harsh comments in this thread that needed a bit of balance.
hindle8907
08-09-10, 06:08 PM
Not bothered to be honest as I know 99.9% of people that steel bikes are either scumuy council estate rats who do it for the buzz or it's organised groups who are out to make money, either way if it wasn't for my girlfriend and her car the other year when my bike was stolen I would of been out of a job, and lost my apartment And been in court for the outstading 1500 pounds finance I had to pay out of my own pocket all because I wouldn't beable get to or from work beacuse some lowlife sole my bike so yeh I do wish who ever steals my bike crashes and hurts seriously hurts themselves and if they did die then it's a bonous in my eyes.
ethariel
08-09-10, 06:46 PM
Basically, its just a bit hjarsh to say someone who takes a bike deserves some form of arbitary and summary execution. You never quite know how that persons journey got them to that point. If you wished everyone who committed a crime some form of "suitable" punishment, then starving people doing a runner from Mcdonalds would choke to death on their burger, everyone who left a petrol forecourt without paying explode in a ball of flame, every teenage sweet shoplifter get crushed by a falling box of mars bars. Every fraudulant whiplash chaim, do they deserve emergence of throat cancer? NO!
Yes, not NO.
Had your bike nicked lately? know a 78 year old widow who had her left eye punched out for 50p and her tescos shopping bag?
I have and I do, I used to honestly think that criminals were human beings who had fallen off the cart of humanity andcivilization, now I have a totaly diffentent view, simply that they are scum.
They have made a choice to commit a crime that deprives someone of something, whether it be a wallet at gunpoint, a car, motorcycle, tv, video or just a trashed house because YOU had nothing worth stealing. THEY made the decision to commit the act and in doing so, imho should loose the protection and rights a civilised society offers it's law abiding citizens.
Bring in US style chain gangs and fix our potloles, dig out ditches and streams, bring back the birtch and thrash them to within an inch of thier lives, go back to a bedpan, 4 to a cell and 23.5 hour lockdowns (Take away the TV's playstations, gyms, 5 course xmas dinners), make prison something that is once again feared and loathed.
This country has become too soft, it's become a place I really don't like very much any more, it's become a place where those that do wrong have more rights than I do when I do right.
Sometimes i wish i could stomach the farce that's called politics and be in a position to really 'Bring Back Values'
Anyway enought of a derail, think i should stop drinking but then again, i am having to spend 4 hours a day taking public teansport to and from work, where just over a week ago, i was taking less than 60 mins total to and from work by bike.......
ceeshaw
08-09-10, 06:48 PM
Very... er... noble of you Juju.
But where do you draw the line? When some idiot hurts your son, daughter, brother, sister...? "Don't blame him, it's not his fault, it's his parent's fault...?"
F*** that. Very human being of reasonably sound mind has a responsibility to pull their weight and look after themselves. It's not acceptable to deny responsibility.
Playing devil's advocate, where do you draw the line on this right-wing frenzy. If theft deserves death, then so must murder. What then for manslaughter, or death by dangerous driving? Does speeding still warrant a fine, or a public lashing? Is this justice to be according to our long established tenets of common law, or summarily executed.
i think your all right in a way, but the way i see it is i work hard to pay for the things i like, if someone wants the same then get a flippin job and buy your own, nobody deserves to die but they do deserve to be more harshly punished than they do get in this country, i agree with etharial in the sense that prison seems to be a holiday camp these days, criminals should be deprived of everything bar bread an water, i dont even think they should be allowed visitors, and they should pay service back to the community, especially as it cost us genuine tax payers a small fortune to keep these muppets behind bars
Milky Bar Kid
08-09-10, 07:23 PM
Playing devil's advocate, where do you draw the line on this right-wing frenzy. If theft deserves death, then so must murder. What then for manslaughter, or death by dangerous driving? Does speeding still warrant a fine, or a public lashing? Is this justice to be according to our long established tenets of common law, or summarily executed.
Oh are we killing everyone now? Everyone thats ever been naughty???! ;)
ethariel
08-09-10, 08:40 PM
LOL even I in my alcohol fueled rage against thieving little scrotes (or big organised ones to be honest) should deserve death (in reality) for the mere crime fd stealing my motorcycle, if however he/she/it rode it into a wall (hurting no one else in any way) and killed themselves, i would have a good old laugh and be happy in the knowledge that it just saved the taxpayer 50k in trial fees.
I draw the line at stupid out of touch old farts sitting on the bench who have no grasp on reality and are influenced by wooly headed liberals who seem to think that all criminals are not at fault and that society should help them and as such, hand down scentences that are at best laughable, at worst an insult.
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