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Anyone find this rather comical?
Islamic countries are allowed to burn nations flags, create violence in demonstrations, bomb nations and innocent civilians (no comment on the USA's forces, not about the war this!!), but when one measly god dude threatens to burn some paper, they go absolutely mental.
I've jsut updated my facebook. Anyone fancy a mass holy book burning session and uploading the footage to youtube.
Mass hysteria, would be epic... Mind you, might come home, to find rubble and two dead rabbits :smt120 :lol:
hummahhummahuuuuummmmmaaa :smt109
Any religious folk who may get upset by this, meh, get of the interwebz, its banter.....
I'm surprised it even made it onto the news, who gives a sh1te?
You not seen the protests going on. Some folk shot in the protests n everything.
Absolutly epic scale of failure :lol:
Im not religious, so I find it hysterical :lol: Long live the universe in a marble aka Men In Black 2 closing scene :lol:
Must be a slow news week...I do understand in some ways that it could potentially put their troops in further danger...
Owenski
10-09-10, 03:48 PM
Im not religious but Im still smart enough to know that burning a religious book of another faith is always gonna cause the preverbeal to hit the fan.
This guys just out for his 15minutes of fame, either that or got a really good deal on his home insurance and is hoping for the inevitbale back lash.
yorkie_chris
10-09-10, 03:49 PM
I'm surprised it even made it onto the news, who gives a sh1te?
A shi'ite?
(taxi..)
I only glance at the news at ten to be honest as it is all so depressing...
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 03:50 PM
Islamic countries are allowed to ... bomb nations and innocent civilians
Care to give us some examples of countries currently doing this?
(The USA excepted of course, they're not an Islamic nation)
Owenski
10-09-10, 03:50 PM
I only glance at the news at ten to be honest as it is all so depressing...
For the same reason why I never watch, I miss some stuff but if its good someone at work will tell me everything I need to know. The rest of it just makes you think "what a horrid world we live in"
Islamic countries are allowed to burn nations flags, create violence in demonstrations, bomb nations and innocent civilians (no comment on the USA's forces, not about the war this!!),
To be fair I don't think it is the countries doing it, but rather some of the citizens :rolleyes:. The guy doing the burning typifies the lack of religious tolerance that causes half the problems to begin with - Pastor Numbnuts is his name. Burning a flag/book only upsets you if you let it...
yorkie_chris
10-09-10, 03:51 PM
This guys just out for his 15minutes of fame, either that or got a really good deal on his home insurance and is hoping for the inevitbale back lash.
#dodgy russian accent# ...for ritually sacrificed rodents go to compare the meerkat dot com... for insuring yourself against suicide bombings go to compare the martyr dot com... simples...
Owenski
10-09-10, 03:52 PM
#dodgy russian accent# ...for ritually sacrificed rodents go to compare the meerkat dot com... for insuring yourself against suicide bombings go to compare the martyr dot com... simples...
rofl,
copy...paste... - new sig
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 03:52 PM
A shi'ite?
(taxi..)
I thought it was "Burn a Korean" day
I invited my mate over but it seems he wasted a plane fare...
Erm, its not the book burning thats the important bit. It is its effect on what else is going on around the world. Israel and Palestine are just about to sit down to the first serious attempt (read into that what you will) at a lasting peace in the Middle East, "umpired" by the USA. Obama is keen to spread the joy to undo the Spreding of hatred his prdecessor did.
All the work could be undone if this arrogant, selfish nutter gets his way.
Not only that it could also change the plans for withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan.
That would be a lot of work wasted if this pillock lights his match.
C
Paul the 6th
10-09-10, 03:53 PM
If it's any consellation I tried to start a campaign on facebook to burn a load of citylink paraphinalea but no one really cared..
As for burning flags, david mitchell on 'burning flags' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-IrzJqfTQA
Care to give us some examples of countries currently doing this?
(The USA excepted of course, they're not an Islamic nation)
Nations, no. Extremists. Some dates for you.
9/11
7/7
Bahli - although can't remember who claimed this.
Don't understand the fuss. They are allowed to burn flags etc, but throw a wobbly when a discussion about a measly bit of paper.
See in my eyes he went about it all wrong.
He should have said he was gonna recycle the book. Greenpeace would have loved it, as would the governments. :smt024
Islamic countries are allowed to burn nations flags
I wouldn't exactly say that they are 'allowed' to do it. The fact that they do and get away with it just shows that the intended targets tend to be a little more tolerant than the extremists who start screaming bloody murder if others so much as dare to insult their religion (their religion, not their faith).
Paul the 6th
10-09-10, 03:56 PM
anyone wanna see my comic strip of the angel gabriel hiding a packet of matches and a bbq his backpack on the way into a mosque/islamic library/other generic places where the quoran maybe kept?
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 03:56 PM
Erm, its not the book burning thats the important bit. It is its effect on what else is going on around the world. Israel and Palestine are just about to sit down to the first serious attempt (read into that what you will) at a lasting peace in the Middle East, "umpired" by the USA. Obama is keen to spread the joy to undo the Spreding of hatred his prdecessor did.
It won't work though
Just as America turfed out their right wing crackpot, Israel voted theirs in...:rolleyes:
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 03:58 PM
Nations, no. Extremists. Some dates for you.
9/11
7/7
Bahli - although can't remember who claimed this.
No **** sherlock:roll:
Gonna edit the inaccuracies in your first post then?
Once we water down your strawman argument consistent with reality people will probably find themselves agreeing with you...
Owenski
10-09-10, 04:00 PM
You dont interact with many actual people on the Isle of Wight do you TLW.
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 04:02 PM
You dont interact with many actual people on the Isle of Wight do you TLW.
Kind of a run on posting going on here... I'll try to collate them into a single post from now on...;)
ETA: might not want to check our respective posts per day counts, you have me beat on that one...:p
Paul the 6th
10-09-10, 04:06 PM
I'm gonna burn myself now instead...
slark01
10-09-10, 04:26 PM
Burning in my eye is wrong. I could use it for wiping my bottom, would save me a bit of money. :-)
On a serious note, the Quran is actually quite interesting to read. There is alot of difficulty in the translation due to alot of words meaning 3 or 4 things.
I'm not religious in any way, but a little knowledge on islam helps ( but not by much ) to understand the mentality of the extremists.
Ste.
Milky Bar Kid
10-09-10, 04:40 PM
No **** sherlock:roll:
Gonna edit the inaccuracies in your first post then?
Once we water down your strawman argument consistent with reality people will probably find themselves agreeing with you...
LOL!
I personally think the Pastor is a complete and utter moron and is only fuelling the extremists hate towards the west. I also think it is a bit disrespectful that he planned to do it on 9/11.
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 04:42 PM
I personally think the Pastor is a complete and utter moron and is only fuelling the extremists hate towards the west.
See my post earlier today about Butterscotch the pony, there's definitely been a "stupid" leak at the Florida water supply...;)
Milky Bar Kid
10-09-10, 04:42 PM
*wanders over for a look...*
No **** sherlock:roll:
Gonna edit the inaccuracies in your first post then?
Once we water down your strawman argument consistent with reality people will probably find themselves agreeing with you...
OOoooOOooOOooOOooOOOoOOOO - In a high pitch voice.
Rag week? Geddit, rag.... BOOOM tish...
Geddit? BOOM tish? :-dd
Someone failed at the sense of humour... :smt045
davepreston
10-09-10, 04:46 PM
burning books the height of stupidity and intolerance
that guys a knob
leave the yanks to feck things up as usual while soldiers pay the price, tell you what put that religous nut in a room with some squaddies who have been to iraq or afghan , for educational purposes of course
Would the local sunday service go out in a mad protest if you burnt a bible outside on a sunday morning?
Ponders being chased by the older generation down the road, walking sticks raise, glasses steaming..
Would the local sunday service go out in a mad protest if you burnt a bible outside on a sunday morning?
No, but the blue-rinses would tut at your lack of manners and breeding...
Would the local sunday service go out in a mad protest if you burnt a bible outside on a sunday morning?
Ponders being chased by the older generation down the road, walking sticks raise, glasses steaming..
No, but the blue-rinses would tut at your lack of manners and breeding...
They might even write a letter!:D
Spiderman
10-09-10, 04:58 PM
Does anyone in this country live a true christian lifestyle tho Damio? Most muslim nations feel outrgaed cos they do live the lifestyle to the full. More fool them you might say and i might agree too.
People have been burning flags of other nations for years, a flag at the end of the day is nothing but cloth. Burning any religions sacred books tho is just asking for a response....and when you ot some serious crazies in the mix you dont know how they might respond.
So why do it other than to upset and get a reaction. No good will come of it will it?
Anyway, thank you all so far for keeping what could be a potentially explosive thread (see what i did there, lol) calm and sensible.
hardhat_harry
10-09-10, 05:03 PM
Im gonna go out and burn "the lion, the witch and the wardrobe" it has the same relevancy in my eyes.
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 05:04 PM
OOoooOOooOOooOOooOOOoOOOO - In a high pitch voice.
Rag week? Geddit, rag.... BOOOM tish...
Geddit? BOOM tish? :-dd
Someone failed at the sense of humour... :smt045
Indeed they did...
timwilky
10-09-10, 05:21 PM
Whilst not religious, I do respect others rights to their religion even when they use it to take the P.
We had one new recruit on his first day come to me and ask. "Where is the prayer room?" after climbing back on my seat and establishing he was serious I explained we hadn't got one. But having a couple of Muslim friends I was well aware of their need for prayer. I arranged for a section of a large unused plant room to be divided off. It provide washing facilities and was discrete enough that he or anyone else could make what ever use they wanted.
Great I thought when 2 weeks later he handed me his notice as he was going to a madrassa in Pakistan to study. Yes he certainly used his religion to take the proverbial out of me and my office refurbishment budget.
Well back to the burning. I respect the numpties right to do it. But if he is a man of god as he claims, he should respect the religious freedoms he enjoys and respect others rights to similar freedoms. From his ramblings on TV I now get the impression he is trying to turn his stupid stunt into a protest against the proposed mosque near (not on) the ground zero site.
Yes bigots exist with all religions. Why give them the ammunition.
yorkie_chris
10-09-10, 05:47 PM
9/11
What happened on the 9th of November?
F***ing seppos!
Specialone
10-09-10, 05:49 PM
Im gonna go out and burn "the lion, the witch and the wardrobe" it has the same relevancy in my eyes.
You dare :smt013
Only joking, i agree.
What happened on the 9th of November?
Beer Hall Putsch?
One might argue that if it hadnt been covered in the media then it would go under that radar and no one would have it brought to their attention???
Media, reporting news or creating it to suit their own ends again??
What happened on the 9th of November?
F***ing seppos!
Epic disrespectful failure on my part :oops:
1st to notice though :lol:
Spider, trying to keep it as banter as opposed to someone getting all sensible and angry about it :smt056
They might even write a letter!:D
The to go through a million officers and health and safety proceedures, human rights groups, and a whole load of others?
a flag at the end of the day is nothing but cloth.
Oh Spidey, no. No deffo not. The Star Spangled Banner is NOT just a bit of cloth. It represents the American struggle for freedom, it is deeply ingrained in the American psyche.
On BBC News 24 tonight there were all these Muslims burning the US flag - over one pastor of a 50 member church. FFS. I suspect that the average American citizen supports Pastor Terry Jones. Their soldiers are giving every bit as much as ours, for a symbolic ungrateful Afghan nation that plainly would prefer to live under Taleb rule. Always men of course, as even under 'normal' rule the women are so oppressed that they aren't allowed out of the house. Why do we bother, the price of it all is simply too much.
Why is it acceptable for these people to burn US flags and yet not acceptable for a US pastor to burn a Koran????
These people shown on TV are savages, if they want to live uner Taleb rule then so be it, and save ourselves a terrible cost. And yet so many Afghans are terrified of Taleb rule, why is it that the mob is in ascendancy? Why have so many NATO servicepeople died and yet there appears to be no change in Afghan attitudes toward the west?
I am only saying what many of you are thinking,
Milky Bar Kid
10-09-10, 08:51 PM
Why is it acceptable for these people to burn US flags and yet not acceptable for a US pastor to burn a Koran????
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Because, quite simply put Ed, two wrongs don't make a right.
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 08:53 PM
On BBC News 24 tonight there were all these Muslims burning the US flag...
Why is it acceptable for these people to burn US flags and yet not acceptable for a US pastor to burn a Koran????So it's an international version of the schoolyard favourite "but they did it first"
Perhaps some people aspire to be better than the idiots on both sides of this cluster****
Specialone
10-09-10, 08:58 PM
I see this thread plunging deep into political and religious depths, way too deep for me :(
MBK and TLW - it's not me you have to convince.
It's the United States of America.
I'm an Athiest, but I can see the error in burning another man's Holy Book of whatever..
Being desperate for media attention is no excuse for inflaming an incredibly delicate situation and putting innocent people's lives in jeopardy.
What happens if you burn both? (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100913/twl-australia-lawyer-smokes-koran-bible-2802f3e.html)
C
Paul the 6th
14-09-10, 10:41 AM
Wonder if that blender guy will do a "Qur'an: Will it blend?" video
Im dyslexic so i burnt a copy of the Kerraang..Dont think that was right.
Biker Biggles
14-09-10, 10:43 AM
I thought they were burning Queer Anne because she was a witch
blue curvy jester
14-09-10, 10:43 AM
What happens if you burn both? (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100913/twl-australia-lawyer-smokes-koran-bible-2802f3e.html)
C
what a korean holding the Koran wrapped in the stars and stripes
you'll **** of kim i'll jong as well
( wonlei i am so wronlei, her on my oney)
the_lone_wolf
14-09-10, 10:54 AM
I've burned my copy already
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-Ralph-
14-09-10, 11:51 AM
Well the bible does not mention tolerance of other religions, only tolerance towards other Christians. So as far as the bible is concerned he can burn what other religious books he wants.
These are the views of the bible and not necessarily the author of this post. The author of this post thinks the pastor is a total p***k.
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 11:58 AM
Well the bible does not mention tolerance of other religions,
good samaritan and all that?
slark01
14-09-10, 11:59 AM
Im dyslexic so i burnt a copy of the Kerraang..Dont think that was right.
You heathen, blasphemy! ;-)
Ste.
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 12:00 PM
You heathen, blasphemy! ;-)
Ste.
Stone him! Declare some sort of heavy metal based holy war!
slark01
14-09-10, 12:03 PM
Stone him! Declare some sort of heavy metal based holy war!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08KYnNgZy4Q
Ste
I'm a potato... I believe in other potatoes.
-Ralph-
14-09-10, 12:41 PM
good samaritan and all that?
A Samaritan helping a Jew, they may have been said to hate each other, but but both were "Christians".
Does Christian not stem from a eastern religion?
I'm going to burn a few copies of Star Wars and see if any Jedi's get annoyed, after the last census I heard their are a few about.
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 12:46 PM
A Samaritan helping a Jew, they may have been said to hate each other, but but both were "Christians".
So surely that's religious tolerance?
I would not call Christianity an intolerant religion, just like I would not call Islam intolerant.
I'd even go so far as to say there are no intolerant religions, just intolerant people.
Roberrrrt
14-09-10, 12:46 PM
Wonder if that blender guy will do a "Qur'an: Will it blend?" video
:smt044
slark01
14-09-10, 12:50 PM
So surely that's religious tolerance?
I would not call Christianity an intolerant religion, just like I would not call Islam intolerant.
I'd even go so far as to say there are no intolerant religions, just intolerant people.
Hit, Nail, Head :-)
Ste
I've burned my copy already
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Now thats some funny brown poop stuff right there!!!
My mother is actually dating a Tunisian, so we've had a debate about this too. She stated that its a way of life for many islamics..
so i stated that the American flag is hugely symbollic to the american people.
It also seems that there is a huge anti terrorism campaign going on in (at least) Tunisia, TV adverts etc.
Like all things bad, its always a small group of idiots, that get worlwide publicity but the retarded up their own ass idiotic media stirring it up.
if someone burnt my sv manual i would be upset. would probably be a bloody harley rider if it were to be burnt, those peeps are just a law unto themselves.
lets all worship the book of mechanical goodness, from today onwards lets all recite a pyrograph (SP) from the SV book of goodness.
-Ralph-
14-09-10, 02:13 PM
So surely that's religious tolerance?
I would not call Christianity an intolerant religion, just like I would not call Islam intolerant.
I'd even go so far as to say there are no intolerant religions, just intolerant people.
This idiot Pastor is a perfect example of an intolerant Christian, and unfortunately there are plenty more Christian's like him, but I didn't say Christianity was intolerant religion or that intolerance was rife within the majority of Christian people. I merely pointed out that the bible does not actively teach tolerance to Muslims, or indeed any other religion, so if this fanatical idiot is looking to the bible for guidance and treating it as a verbatim set of rules, as many Christian fanatical idiots do, he may well conclude that burning Qur'an's is perfectly acceptable. You can argue that he shouldn't be doing it because intolerance is undesirable, but nobody can argue that he shouldn't be doing it on the basis of his Christianity, if the book from which every Christian practices, makes no mention of tolerance, other than to fellow Christians.
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 02:17 PM
if someone burnt my sv manual i would be upset. would probably be a bloody harley rider if it were to be burnt, those peeps are just a law unto themselves.
lets all worship the book of mechanical goodness, from today onwards lets all recite a pyrograph (SP) from the SV book of goodness.
And thus he did spake unto the spanner-monkey... the bolts you shall tighten in a crosswise pattern so... and lo, the gasket was applied, and there was much rejoicing...
[haynes 25:17, cylinder head and valvegear]
-Ralph-
14-09-10, 02:19 PM
And thus he did spake unto the spanner-monkey... the bolts you shall tighten in a crosswise pattern so... and lo, the gasket was applied, and there was much rejoicing...
[haynes 25:17, cylinder head and valvegear]
LOL
but I didn't say Christianity was intolerant religion
I would argue that the Abrahamic religions are intolerant at the scripture level. Eye for an eye? The old testament is really quite blood thirsty, and the new testament has it's moments.
What makes them tolerant is the morals of modern society being applied. Society is much more liberal these days - do many people still believe that homosexuality is an offence to God and that they will go straight to hell?
-Ralph-
14-09-10, 02:34 PM
do many people still believe that homosexuality is an offence to God and that they will go straight to hell?
No, but Pastor P***k in America probably does.
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 02:37 PM
I would argue that the Abrahamic religions are intolerant at the scripture level. Eye for an eye? The old testament is really quite blood thirsty, and the new testament has it's moments.
Can you apply that to other religions?
An eye for an eye is one thing, but it's different to saying "poke someone in the eye for worshipping a different God"
Can you apply that to other religions?
An eye for an eye is one thing, but it's different to saying "poke someone in the eye for worshipping a different God"
Islam, I believe, is not really mentioned. Neither are the eastern religions like Hinduism or Buddhism. There is however a very strong 'believe in me or you burn in the fires of hell' theme which does not promote believing in other religions ;)
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 02:49 PM
Islam, I believe, is not really mentioned. Neither are the eastern religions like Hinduism or Buddhism. There is however a very strong 'believe in me or you burn in the fires of hell' theme which does not promote believing in other religions ;)
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
True, but it wouldn't be very good PR to say "well believe in me... or him... or not? Be right..."
But it's still not calling for violence.
There's some really serious discussions going on at the moment? Anyone want to fit some braided lines? New shock maybe? GSXR forks? :p
sloppy joe
14-09-10, 02:56 PM
I should probably take these stories of escalating religious intolerance more seriously, but whenever the latest 'flag burning/book burning/improper cartoon' story comes on the news, I can't help but think of the old lyrics:
'clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right....'
Lets hope they all calm down soon.
zzzzzz. Religion is dull.
I died once.... I saw a white light, then some text rushed towards me, it said -
LEVEL 2.
But it's still not calling for violence.
Well the testaments were written by minority interests who didn't really have the political or military might to get away with direct calls for violence. However, searching the OT readily finds suitable quotes;
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God"
Can I just say, I am not religious at all. These supposed terrorists are cowards with no hope of achieving sod all in life so hide behind religion to gain infamy instead. Many of them get brainwashed by more educated people to do their dirty work for themwhether bombing, shooting or just burning flags. Our leaders don't give a damn when they fight each other till it costs us money(or oil). I don't want my relatives or mates out in these places fighting for oil FFS. I don't just have a problem with islam but I do have more reason than some. What about the rest of em like the popes young boys club? And we are welcoming him to our country! I work in a company with a lot of islamic employees who are NOT terrorists who I have a good laugh with. The subject of religion is usually avoided!! If this bloke wants to burn a book let him do it but don't give him fame/infamy either.
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 03:42 PM
I don't want my relatives or mates out in these places fighting for oil FFS.
Ey if people want to sign up and get paid for getting shot at so I can fill my bike up for 80p a liter... Cheers!
Fighting on the whim of some retarded cowboy fella on the other hand...
There is a lad in the village who was a marine. He jacked out as he was sick of standing in front of oil pipes day and night guarding them while dodging pot shots.
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