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tactcom7
10-09-10, 07:08 PM
Just reading through the popes visit thread and i wondered...
Who on here believes in Creationism and God creating the world?
And who believes in the humans descending from apes bit?
Don't know how to do a poll so answers on a postcard please...
Tim in Belgium
10-09-10, 07:10 PM
My postcard is in the post, I've put a vauge address on it, but doubt you'll ever get it as your profile details are limited, I hope it's the answer you're looking for ;)
tactcom7
10-09-10, 07:12 PM
If it's coming from Belgium I doubt it will ever reach our shores, just like my £500 worth of GSXR front end apparently never reached Ireland *sob* but thats for another thread...
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 07:12 PM
I shall send a post-card via the Natural History Museum in London, got to be enough evidence for evolution in there...
Tim in Belgium
10-09-10, 07:13 PM
If it's coming from Belgium I doubt it will ever reach our shores...
Luckily it'll be coming via dutch mail.
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 07:14 PM
Luckily it'll be coming via dutch mail.
Those crazy Dutch...
tactcom7
10-09-10, 07:14 PM
Me and my stupid postcard quip....
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 07:22 PM
V is what?
tactcom7
10-09-10, 07:23 PM
I give up, nevermind..
slark01
10-09-10, 07:26 PM
Well I believe that we were created from aliens who had a camping trip on earth and left their rubbish behind, including the contents of their portaloo. ;-)
Ste.
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 07:28 PM
Well I believe that we were created from aliens who had a camping trip on earth and left their rubbish behind, including the contents of their portaloo. ;-)
Ste.
But that theory is entirely congruous with evolution
We're not talking about abiogenisis here...
;)
slark01
10-09-10, 08:03 PM
Lol
Ste.
tactcom7
10-09-10, 08:04 PM
Stop using big words!
Just answer
Apes
or
God
:)
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 08:07 PM
Stop using big words!
Just answer
Apes
or
God
:)Before I answer....
Can they wear a paper bag while we do it?
tactcom7
10-09-10, 08:07 PM
who, the apes??
I don't think they'd go for it personally.
I'm a Pastafarian..
I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster...
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 08:32 PM
http://files.sharenator.com/megan_fox_is_hot_megan_fox_hot_invalid_argument_de motivational_poster_1260839812_RE_Your_Argument_is _Invalid-s640x980-66517-580.jpg
'nuff said
Luckily it'll be coming via dutch mail.
Better that than in a French letter;)
(Condom for you really young people)
the_lone_wolf
10-09-10, 08:34 PM
http://files.sharenator.com/megan_fox_is_hot_megan_fox_hot_invalid_argument_de motivational_poster_1260839812_RE_Your_Argument_is _Invalid-s640x980-66517-580.jpg
'nuff said
NGljrEb21kc
:-dd
Whitehouse
10-09-10, 09:21 PM
http://files.sharenator.com/megan_fox_is_hot_megan_fox_hot_invalid_argument_de motivational_poster_1260839812_RE_Your_Argument_is _Invalid-s640x980-66517-580.jpg
'nuff said
Thats evolution at its best :smt023 :smt055
I believe in the god apes.
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 10:04 PM
I believe in the god apes.
Isn't that evolution then?
Erm I dunno?
I'll tell you what I think.
I believe in all the evolution and science stuff, but one thing puzzles me.
How did it all get going? If there was an explosion then where did the things that reacted and explode come from?
I don't believe in no hocus pocus bull**** butttttt..... it just doesn't make sense somewhere along the line.
HOWEVER - if God does exist, how was he made?
CONFUSING.
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 10:25 PM
God is all knowing and omnipotent so has been around forever, but, evolution was started by the coincidence of the correct conditions and the right amino acids being in contact to start the process by which simple life forms (Amoeba) could be formed leading to more complex life forms and eventually humans...
But everything has a begginning(sp?)
How were those conditions or amino acids made?
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 10:30 PM
Amino Acids are just natural chemical combinations that exist even now, but, it just happened that 3-4 billion years ago the right amino acids were next to each other at the right temperature for them to combine to form a longer chain of organic material and lead to bacterium.
Everything had a beginning and an end, just depends on what you believe as to when each is
But I just dont understand how the universe went from nothing - to something?
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 10:36 PM
You are not the only one dude
Herein lies the conundrum...
An unknown event, we call the 'Big Bang' (It wasn't a 'Bang', more an immeasurable expansion of matter apparently) happened which set off these reactions, before this all was just vacuum, Atoms and zero degrees... Nothingness?
Was it 'Intelligent Design' that had a hand, or what?
Hey, I'm Athiest and I don't know!
All I know is that I'm happy women have evolved to such sexy things :)
*EDIT* SOME women
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 10:45 PM
Well, the "big bang" is supposed to be the expansion of energy and atoms at a rate which defies most logical physics and life seems to baffle all but the most extreme biological explanations.
But, something happened which created the universe and created life. In the perfect world anything can happen, but, did the perfect happen or did God or "something" put us all here...?
Both arguments have good points... I believe in evolution, but, I am also Agnostic.
What started it all off...?
Hehe I WAS going to say...
Shall we just turn this thread into one containing numerous pictures of hot women?
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 10:51 PM
Sounds good to me
I'll go first...
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/10ee6c5b70.jpg
Yeah, Cym.. We'll never be able to answer that one... This is the conversation you have over many beers! It creates more questions than answers. Opinions are great, but are just that. The religion thing is another bag of sharp-things altogether!
PERSONALLY, I can understand the logic and believe in the evidence for evolution, but my neighbours are devout religious types, so they live their, and their kid's lives by that creed. Who's right?
You're not going to sleep tonight now...lol
Ok....lol
Did God make her??
Yeah, Cym.. We'll never be able to answer that one... This is the conversation you have over many beers! It creates more questions than answers. Opinions are great, but are just that. The religion thing is another bag of sharp-things altogether!
PERSONALLY, I can understand the logic and believe in the evidence for evolution, but my neighbours are devout religious types, so they live their, and their kid's lives by that creed. Who's right?
You're not going to sleep tonight now...lol
Dude, get with the times.... it's all about hot women now.
Someone as perfect looking as her? Must have!
Hey, I'm old... I type slow!! lol
Can't be bothered attempting to find and D/L pics.. I have a fertile imagination...
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 10:59 PM
Yeah, Cym.. We'll never be able to answer that one... This is the conversation you have over many beers! It creates more questions than answers. Opinions are great, but are just that. The religion thing is another bag of sharp-things altogether!
PERSONALLY, I can understand the logic and believe in the evidence for evolution, but my neighbours are devout religious types, so they live their, and their kid's lives by that creed. Who's right?
You're not going to sleep tonight now...lol
Or man Vodka + Monsters in my case
My misses’ and her kids are devout Catholics, she is old enough to see the evidence, but, the boys (8 y.o., 6 y.o. and 5 y.o.) all believe in creationism because it is what they have been taught.
At the end of the day you can believe whatever you like, but, there is no major evidence either way really
I am part of the "Charles Darwin" group on facebook, but, that is my belief, not everyone’s...
And I'm too lazy to post more.
If only God was real to give me the motivation and strength...
Cymraeg_Atodeg
10-09-10, 11:01 PM
Creationism it is!
Hey, I've enjoyed tonight! Ta, geezers!
I'll give 'im such a slap...lol
I'm less than half your age.
You'll make me cry!
Who cares, let's all enjoy the beauty of this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11213528
Who cares, let's all enjoy the beauty of this
You been on the pop tonight? :smt030
http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/attachments/1/5/4/5/8/3/a2644040-51-Darwin%20Fish%20Silver%20Emblem%20(Car%20Plaque)%2 0(2214).jpg?d=1247855167
I'm fairly certain that the Creationists won't evolve into a form of intelligent life
the_lone_wolf
11-09-10, 09:22 AM
At the end of the day you can believe whatever you like, but, there is no major evidence either way really
You what?:confused:
There's masses and masses of evidence that supports the theory of evolution, so much I wouldn't know where to start listing it all
The evidence is there for those who actually want to see it...:smt039
Cymraeg_Atodeg
11-09-10, 09:26 AM
You what?:confused:
There's masses and masses of evidence that supports the theory of evolution, so much I wouldn't know where to start listing it all
The evidence is there for those who actually want to see it...:smt039
What I meant in my Vodka induced rambling (I think) was more to say you can't force people to believe.
I believe in Evolution, I can't see how anyone else can believe creationism, but, you can't make people believe something they don't want to.
the_lone_wolf
11-09-10, 09:31 AM
What I meant in my Vodka induced rambling...
Say no more...;)
slark01
11-09-10, 10:27 AM
Just a thought...What IF, a scientist/god from another universe created this universe from an experiment, just to see what would happen. If ( and I know it sounds mad ) this was true then Creationism and Evolution are one.
Anyway my questions are: who made God and if there is no God, how did the Big Bang occur without any outside interference?
Ste.
If a scientist clones, or for example 'creates' a liger (cross lion/tiger) is he a god?
If a scientist clones, or for example 'creates' a liger (cross lion/tiger) is he a god?
No, but it'll cost him a lot in whiskas :D
If a scientist clones, or for example 'creates' a liger (cross lion/tiger) is he a god?
No, but it'll cost him a lot in whiskas :D
Brilliant! :D
Thanks bud, made me chuckle
yorkie_chris
11-09-10, 11:16 AM
Creationists make me laugh. On the one hand "God works in mysterious ways", on the other hand he directly came down here and created us all from dust...
There was a forum I found somewhere for creationists and other religious extremists, it was a hilarious but slightly depressing read. Ironically more an advert for birth control than creationism...
Have a listen to "the festival of life" by Kevin Wilson :-D
Sid Squid
11-09-10, 02:44 PM
But I just dont understand how the universe went from nothing - to something?
But this occurred at some point - however it happened there was a beginning, whether you attribute that to a deity or to an astrophysical mechanism currently beyond the comprehension of humanity. And if the former then where did said deity arise from; who is God's God?
At the end of the day you can believe whatever you like, but, there is no major evidence either way really.
Whoa whoa whoa! There is an enormous amount of evidence for evolution and no evidence for creationism that can withstand even the mildest scrutiny.
For religious faiths it has to be this way - proof denies faith, and without faith religion is utterly undermined. Faith by its very definition is the willingness to believe the unproven, and in the case of religious faith most often it means the willingness to believe in that which cannot be proven, (or, fortunately for most faiths, disproven), those being two discrete concepts, religious faith requires it this way, you must suspend your rational disbelief in order to believe.
I'm fairly certain that the Creationists won't evolve into a form of intelligent life
:D:D:D
Now that's funny - cruel perhaps, but funny.
I went to a Catholic primary schookl - I remember asking where God came from - and being told that God was always there. And even at the time thinking that that was hollow.
Anyway, those who have read Voltaire's 'Candide' will recall that the reason we have legs is because trousers were there first.
ThEGr33k
11-09-10, 07:58 PM
I don't believe in a god so there we have it... Evolution makes sense and there is plenty of evidence to support for it, stuff we can all see, germs, its undeniable that that happens.
As to the start of the universe, why does there have to be a beginning. Our mind always think linear. I think that's why some things are so hard for us to grasp. Yes the universe has changed and will keep changing, for all we know it could be a huge cycle lasting forever! Of course that is me just me putting out some food for thought, I don't know how it all started or how we came to be here. I certainly dont think this was all put here to amuse us though!
Cheers
Cymraeg_Atodeg
11-09-10, 08:05 PM
Whoa whoa whoa! There is an enormous amount of evidence for evolution and no evidence for creationism that can withstand even the mildest scrutiny.
For religious faiths it has to be this way - proof denies faith, and without faith religion is utterly undermined. Faith by its very definition is the willingness to believe the unproven, and in the case of religious faith most often it means the willingness to believe in that which cannot be proven, (or, fortunately for most faiths, disproven), those being two discrete concepts, religious faith requires it this way, you must suspend your rational disbelief in order to believe.
See above...
BanannaMan
11-09-10, 08:16 PM
I believe God created evolution.
I call it creaevolutionism. ;)
N8te rider
11-09-10, 08:23 PM
I think creation. Coz someone out there created my gorgeous Roxy :-)
Evolution for me.
Youtube how big the universe is.
I actually think that there is more than one universe, and believe black holes lead to these other universes. this is how our own universe started, and is constently expanding. Its so old, no human can really understand. We can say billions/trillions of years old, but its just a number and normal people can't understand HOW big this number is, other than being a number. What we understand about space now (the data is there, you just need to research it) is truely amazing, and we're learning all the time. We currently live in a very exciting time for understand the universe. I believe people will look back at this era of our understanding.
We're extremly lucky to be where we are, and evolve how we have. What would be the point in creating the other planets?
I do wonder where the missing link between primates, and man is though. Hopefully in time, this will also be discovered. Everything evolves into its natural environment and for me, there is not one almighty. I personnally believing is just a faith, and many people need something to believe in to justify our existance. Evolution takes a lot of time, and we've only been recording history for a tiny tiny part of this.
I haven't completly dismissed aliens interfearing either, but I cannot be sure, as there has never been any proof. But how people done the things they done, built buildings, and travelled places they did, so long ago, is still one of lifes great mysteries
widepants
11-09-10, 09:08 PM
Hey, I've enjoyed tonight! Ta, geezers!
Later gramps! x
thought u were a burd:)
Evolution for me! Too much evidence to ignore.
tactcom7
11-09-10, 09:13 PM
Don't think i said in the OP but i'm on the side of evolution myself, my south african girlfriend however, is not. Which caused much hilairty on my part when I found out but then i guess, each to their own.
Interesting how no-one thinks of the possibility that a deity decided to lay down the rules of evolution, added a bit of source material and then sat back to see what would happen, like we do with all this petri dish stuff these days...
Personally though, I'm not big on the idea of faith. Everything should have an explanation, even if it isn't able to be understood yet. Thats why we have the capacity to learn, after all.
Some form of computer simulation. Meh, I'm a physicist-evolution for me.
Sid Squid
12-09-10, 12:19 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZI9ZC-oL5KQ/TIP4z0rNh1I/AAAAAAAAGdA/xUYFhGewMqE/s1600/ecVB3.png
Geodude
12-09-10, 02:52 PM
All hail Optimus Prime ;)
yorkie_chris
12-09-10, 03:23 PM
Your God is false.
The church of Fonze is the one true path.
Let us Ayyyy...
the_lone_wolf
12-09-10, 03:36 PM
Your God is false.
The church of Fonze is the one true path.
Let us Ayyyy...
Now sit on it...
;)
seedy100
12-09-10, 07:21 PM
But I just dont understand how the universe went from nothing - to something?
BBC News - Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11161493).
I've got my copy of the book and am just checking his maths for you now.
metalmonkey
12-09-10, 10:46 PM
It always cracks me up that the way the god fearing folk react...
In terms to the above subject I have been told by them that "god put the fossil records there to test their faith and they are not really real, but god is" err okay despite all the evidence that we already have and the fact we have the same DNA markers...
I had some loser to force his ideas of creationism on me, it didn't work I told him to take hike he got the message eventually.
Or "if you don't belive you are going to hell" well they will be going to hell ect, I won't be going as I don't belive in any of that so how can I go somewhere that is a made up place?
By all means have your own faith, person belives but don't go forcing that onto others espically kids in school they need be taught science, at least through science we can maybe begin answer those questions.
seedy100
13-09-10, 05:30 PM
Yep - checked Hawkins maths last night.
The man's right you know!
tactcom7
13-09-10, 05:32 PM
Lets all see what the pop has to say about it, tonight at 8pm...
It's massively frustrating, when you think about it, that all this energy is spent dodging the obvious questions, conjuring statements that mean there is no need to prove anything, picking and choosing which parts of the scriptures to follow steadfastly and which to ignore. And yet these institutions have power and influence.
There's an overwhelming sense of arrogance and stubbornness. The older people get, the more invested they are, the less likely they are to question what they have spent their life following, and sadly, the more likely they are to get youngsters to follow their path.
I believe in evolution. I'm not going to tell everyone to, but I hate that some people would question the validity of a celebrity tabloid story more than they do the existence of a god or the origin of life.
Of course a gambler would always bet on there being a heaven. If you are right you win your bet, but you will never find out if you are wrong.
tactcom7
13-09-10, 06:00 PM
How many people out of interest have been in genuine (or perceived) life or death situations and prayed 'just in case' god does exist?'
The supreme irony has just hit me of the Catholic church's stance on not using contraception. In their effort to outbreed the other religions for supremacy, by not using condoms they are most likely to die off from the STIs, hepatitis and aids.
The Pakistani Islamic ritual of marrying your first cousin and leading to birth defects in the kids is also bathed in irony!
Evolution taking care of religion!
QED
:D
C
yorkie_chris
13-09-10, 07:52 PM
The catholic stance of not banging crusty slappers you found behind the pub probably makes you far less likely to catch the clap...
Biker Biggles
13-09-10, 07:56 PM
Less likely to catch anything from sh&gging kids as well so thats another one up for the catholics.
BigBaddad
13-09-10, 08:02 PM
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metalmonkey
13-09-10, 09:51 PM
How many people out of interest have been in genuine (or perceived) life or death situations and prayed 'just in case' god does exist?'
Nope I didn't pray, I was too busy getting out of situation.
Haven't read through the last nine pages, but in response to the original question, I'm with Darwin.
If you're open minded (i.e. not a religious nut) the first chapter (well actually all of it, but in realtion to this topic, just the first chapter) of Zeitgeist: The Movie (2007) (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) is interesting viewing. Although you might want to skip about the first 10 mins of the film though.
21QUEST
13-09-10, 10:11 PM
I just love it when the sinners get all righteous....
Someone stated "There's an overwhelming sense of arrogance and stubbornness...." .
what a crock....that's of course if statement was implying, only those who believed in creationism possesed the afore mentioned qualities. One only has to read some of the posts on this thread.
Anyhoos...how's everyone hanging :D
How many people out of interest have been in genuine (or perceived) life or death situations and prayed 'just in case' god does exist?'
Buying shares in the after-life?
I can't think of any good reason to believe in something that there's no proof of. The nearest to proof we can get, is that there's so many people believe it, then it must be right? That perspective isn't good enough for me.
My niece believes that meerkats can speak English and they wear clothes. If that belief were never challenged, and she made it though life without ever finding out the truth, she potentially would teach her children that as a fact.
tactcom7
13-09-10, 10:37 PM
Hi Ben, not seen you for aaaages :)
21QUEST
13-09-10, 11:00 PM
Indeed, not been about for ages mate....re-ocurring health issues haven't helped.
But thanks to the Lord Jesus :p we're still kicking about :mrgreen:
tactcom7
13-09-10, 11:05 PM
Yeah, him and the NHS ;)
21QUEST
13-09-10, 11:07 PM
lol
BigBaddad
14-09-10, 09:48 AM
If there's evolution...is there devolution? what a difference a century makes
from thishttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3519/3264792675_8c22ece22e.jpg
to thishttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bEGvu4VNi6Y/Sff7na1w_OI/AAAAAAAABp4/Oytn2BSD7D0/s400/fat+lump.jpg
blue curvy jester
14-09-10, 10:18 AM
Interesting point about Darwin was that he was a devout christian and his original idea in researching his ' On the origin of the Species' was to prove that god did exist and that there was a form of intelligent design at play.
He held back publishing for years as he realised the **** storm he was about to unleash
I accept that evolution has been proven right mainly by the pics posted above (and the fact that i am a DNA scientist) but how do explain the opposite IE Anne Addecombe and Cymraeg_Atodeg
SoulKiss
14-09-10, 11:22 AM
You and me baby aint nothing but mammals... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k)
yorkie_chris
14-09-10, 11:24 AM
If there's evolution...is there devolution? what a difference a century makes
The thing is there's nothing in evolution theory to prevent that, we've introduced an evolutionary pressure to promote the survival of the stupid, fat and feckless... the DSS.
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