Climate Change

[tactcom7]

Not quite as exciting as the 9/11 and pentagon conspiracy theories etc..

Was just wondering about peoples views on the subject,

Are we responsible for the world warming up and should we be acting to reverse the trend?

Or is it part of the Earth's natural cycle and nothing to worry about?

Discuss :)

[Bri w]

Not quite as exciting as the 9/11 and pentagon conspiracy theories etc..

Was just wondering about peoples views on the subject,

Are we responsible for the world warming up and should we be acting to reverse the trend?

Or is it part of the Earth's natural cycle and nothing to worry about?

Discuss :)

Not worried about it. I'll be long long gone before the sea is lapping on my front door.

Even if it is true, future genrations will be better placed with advanced technologies to combat it - necessity is the mother of invention. Once the need becomes great enough, the world's govt's and industries will make a proper effort unlike the alleged effort they are making now.

Besides, I love burning fossil fuels;)

[benji106]

I think its a load of crap but let them get on with it, at the end of the day we cant rely on fossil fuels forever and it creates jobs and such.

[Owenski]

i think the truth is simple, there is a lot less oil than we're led to belive so they want us to use as little as possible in an attempt to preserve the oil which we do have.

[simesb]

Are we responsible for the world warming up and should we be acting to reverse the trend?

Or is it part of the Earth's natural cycle and nothing to worry about?

Yes! :D

It is such a complicated engine that we can't possibly know for certain. All the human created emissions can't help, but the Earth has always had cycles of freeze and thaw.

I've often pondered how the levels of emissions from the industrial revolution compare to those today. City air seems a lot cleaner (no peasoupers in Manchester) - different volumes or different types of emission?

[DarrenSV650S]

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[anna]

The bottom line is, it doesnt really matter if it is true or not.

We should be looking for "greener" ways to live to be able to protect our future generations.

I actually think a lot of it is over hype, the climate cycles have only been accurately logged for less then 100 years or so and therefore no predictions with regards to weather patterns are able to be made on a long term scale. (I know this goes against what most think) In the grand scheme of things I dont think we are able to tell what impact we are actually having on the earth.

Obviously saying that, we arent exactly being fair to our natural resources, and it is common sense that states we are using up a good % of resources on fuel alone, so it cant hurt to find other methods.

[tactcom7]

Couldn't have put it better myself Anna.

[punyXpress]

i think the truth is simple, there is a lot less oil than we're led to belive so they want us to use as little as possible in an attempt to preserve the oil which we do have.

Owenski's way of telling us to get the miles in while we can.
Thanks for the headsup, O

[Specialone]

In my view, climate change is cyclic, but we have damaged the ozone layer and thats not disputed and we have to reduce our drain on the earths resources as Anna mentioned earlier.
We cant just keep taking and then filling the voids left behind with landfill rubbish.
A lot of boffins believe the ozone damage can be reversed, so lets hope thats true.

On a final note, lets stop wasting stupid amounts of time and money on hybrid and some electric cars where their benefits are heavily disputed as in the environmental impact to produce them.

[slark01]

The top meteorological scientists have never said that humans are responsable for climate change, they have said that humans compound the problem. Bad quotes from scientists that work for oil companies, chemical companies and generally people with their own agendas have caused mass confusion over this.

There are other ways for getting energy without being as harmful to the enviroment as what we currently use. However because these will inevitably make energy very cheap, alot of people that have the power are stopping any and all research because of this. Thorium based reactors as an example.
Preventing harmful chemicals from getting into the atmosphere, seas and earth is not only good for the planet, but is also good for the you and your family. No more smelly towns and cities as a simple example.
What is really bad is when there are no more trees left, I wonder how people are going to breathe when that happens?
Like what has already been said "when the sh*t hits the fan, thats when we'll deal with the problem". Too blooming late then!

Night all :-)

Ste.

[BigBaddad]

You see all these tragic events on the news that are blamed on global warming........Mother Nature's way of telling us there's too many people in the world.

[tactcom7]

Is she not just a female version of god?

[454697819]

see here

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=156949

[punyXpress]

" filling the voids left behind with landfill rubbish. "
There's a thought, specialone . . .
When the time comes :reaper: :
Burial - more landfill
or Cremation - more fuel used and CO2 & other nasties produced.
If I knew how to do it, perhaps a morbid poll ?

[tactcom7]

Burial at sea, problem solved!

[Biker Biggles]

Burial at sea, problem solved!

No.As we have taken all the fish to extinction there would be nothing left to dispose of the millions of bodies so that wont work either.

[tactcom7]

No.As we have taken all the fish to extinction there would be nothing left to dispose of the millions of bodies so that wont work either.

Well thats not really true is it?

Plus there's loads of lobsters n shrimps etc that i'm sure aren't fussy eaters :)

[Reeder]

Why don't we become cannibals? Would solve world hunger and also save space and less rubbish.

[Bri w]

Burial at sea, problem solved!

would cause the sea level to rise

[Daimo]

Not quite as exciting as the 9/11 and pentagon conspiracy theories etc..

Was just wondering about peoples views on the subject,

Are we responsible for the world warming up and should we be acting to reverse the trend?

Or is it part of the Earth's natural cycle and nothing to worry about?

Discuss :)


My opinion is always right....


Climate change is part of nature, historic data proves this.
But yes, I think humans have helped speed it up by a few hundred/thousand years. Which in the grand scheme of things, is nothing.

Cars are not the problem, but its an easy chargeable escape goat for governments.

The real problems are actually concrete works, (one of the worst), american cars, mainly their big heavy thristy V8s and the fact they use them like we use clios and corsas. And the huge manufacturing plants in china and america.

And anyone who drives a prius... Gen 1 produced far more emissions to manufacture than driving already said American V8s. And my bosses one is lame on juice, 50mpg imo is not good. I get that in a modern derv on the motorway, with some power available instead of hairdryer power.

So yes, we've added, but not like the governments make out.

Case closed :smt026

[tactcom7]

My mum swapped her RX 8 for a prius, I'm still not sure why.

And Bri, with less weight of people on the earths crust, it would float more thus cancelling out the effect :)

[Reeder]

My mum swapped her RX 8 for a prius, I'm still not sure why.

And Bri, with less weight of people on the earths crust, it would float more thus cancelling out the effect :)

lol!

[punyXpress]

Cannot get ' priapism ' out of my mind when that car is mentioned. :confused:

[tactcom7]

Ouch.

Edit. I hope thats not why my mum bought it!!!

[simesb]

And anyone who drives a prius... Gen 1 produced far more emissions to manufacture than driving already said American V8s. And my bosses one is lame on juice, 50mpg imo is not good. I get that in a modern derv on the motorway, with some power available instead of hairdryer power.

I think that is a little harsh on the Prius (although commonly held to be true)

People forget that the Prius is the first properly viable hybrid car. Like it or loathe it, and you wouldn't catch me dead in one, hybrid technology may be a concept worth following (although it ain't going to solve all the problems) but it is naive to expect the technology and manufacturing to be perfect at this stage. With a buying public, the technology is only going to get better.

[Specialone]

Hydrogen fuel cell technology is the way forward i think, once that is developed sufficiently that will save the car.
Unless more nuclear power stations are built or similar and the cars are made better, electric cars wont be for the masses.
The carbon footprint of things is endless, the electric theme is great on paper but when you consider all the processes to make that car and then the electric to fuel it, its no better than a good diesel, but less practical.


As i have said on numerous occasions on here, cutting our emissions in this country will not make the slightest difference, we contribute 0.2% to the worlds emissions, so a drop in the ocean really.

Lets bring manufacturing back, then we wont have to have the carbon footprint of endless container ships coming half way around the world to deliver cheaply made crap, we can make our own crap.

[minimorecambe]

Why don't we become cannibals? Would solve world hunger and also save space and less rubbish.

The boys got a point :p:silent:

[beabert]

Hydrogen fuel cell technology is the way forward i think, once that is developed sufficiently that will save the car.
Unless more nuclear power stations are built or similar and the cars are made better, electric cars wont be for the masses.
The carbon footprint of things is endless, the electric theme is great on paper but when you consider all the processes to make that car and then the electric to fuel it, its no better than a good diesel, but less practical.


As i have said on numerous occasions on here, cutting our emissions in this country will not make the slightest difference, we contribute 0.2% to the worlds emissions, so a drop in the ocean really.

Lets bring manufacturing back, then we wont have to have the carbon footprint of endless container ships coming half way around the world to deliver cheaply made crap, we can make our own crap.

Its the centralisation of the emissions that is the main benefit, its easier to upgrade a hundred powerstation (carbon capture etc) to cut emissions in the future, than keep upgrading 100,000s of cars as future technlogies become more viable.

Hydrogen power is no better of an option imo.

Billions needs pumping into nuclear fusion research IMO. No where near enough is being spent.

[suzukigt380paul]

come on lets face it man made climate change is more fiction than fact,and only about 5% of the worlds fresh water is at the north pole and if it all melted it would not increase water levels by more than a few mm,the vast majority of the of the worlds frozen water being at the aintartic something like about 80%and although some part of the antartic ice is changeing in general it is staying about the same size,and the best way to check on global warming is sea temperatures which have not changed for over 10 years,bearing in mind it takes something like 40 years for our vast oceans to warm up or cool down.and as to oil and coal we have got about 40 year worth left

[Reeder]

The boys got a point :p:silent:

Finally, someone intelligent!

[simesb]

and as to oil and coal we have got about 40 year worth left

You could argue we have more than that left, it is just that we have already taken the 'easy' stuff, and everything else is increasingly expensive to exploit.

[thefallenangel]

climate change is making people aware there is no such thing as waste. waste is still a product with value.

once someone finds out a feaseable way to generate electricity the world will be perfect.

[tactcom7]

one persons trash is another persons treasure...