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Org help would be great, as I'm not sure if the Kawasaki dealer is failing the MOT to make more dosh.
Anyways, they failed it because of this (my bent rear subframe).
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=147987
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/848/10be.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2750/10ax.jpg
They also mentioned wheel misalignment (fair enough) and a missing passenger foot peg :confused::confused: (why is that so important?).
The latter two not a problem as I could pay for them, but they said it can't pass an MOT without a new frame, which would cost loaads, prob something I can't afford right now, being a student/poor/etc.
Dilemma time for me. What should I do? Is it true a bike can't pass an MOT because of a bent rear frame or should I take it elsewhere? Don't wanna be bikeless right now.
cheers
benji106
20-10-10, 02:05 PM
I would follow the advice you got in the link you posted and just straighten the subframe out yourself personally.
I tried to, trust me, but failed epicly. At the time I invested in a G-clamp, and purchased some timber as well, but just could not do it. I worked around it and got by.
I'm just curious if the law actually states it can't pass the MOT in that condition, or if they're just trying to shaft me.
I'm not goingt to try and recall the letter of it, but I believe there is a passage about the frame being relatively straight/undamaged.
On many bikes you can simply replace the rear sub-frame, I'm not sure about yours but from your post I'll assume not.
Split the difference and take the bike to a local engineering firm that's capable of aligning things properly. motoliner.com (http://www.motoliner.com) would be able to sort it for a lot less than a frame and refit I'm sure.
Jambo
barwel1992
20-10-10, 03:42 PM
passenger foot peg thing seem like a load of tosh, could just remove the other one
the_lone_wolf
20-10-10, 03:46 PM
passenger foot peg thing seem like a load of tosh, could just remove the other one
No, if the bike has capacity to carry a pillion the pegs must be in place...:cool:
Without being too blunt, I'm amazed someone took a bike in that condition to an MOT station expecting anything but a fail...:confused:
maviczap
20-10-10, 03:51 PM
Just buy a used one off Ebay or a breaker, won't cost the earth
Well just came back after picking up the er6. 3 failure reasons:
1. Wheel alignment incorrect which adversely affects the handling (2.5.1)
2. Offside rear footrest missing (6.2.1a)
3. Handlebar deformed (2.1.1 b)
I also asked them for a chain adjustment, and this is just the icing on the cake after a naff day - One side is tighter than the other, and one side has 'seized up with gunk' and so can't be adjusted apparently. So I actually returned home with a looser chain, because one side being tighter than the other meant that the rear wheel wasn't aligned properly (or something like that). So apparently to adjust my chain properly, the wheel needs to come off.
The guy said I might have got away with it, but when they saw the handlebar bent it raised alarm bells, and so they realised the frame was bent. With the tail light being there/etc, you'd never be able to tell.
I think perhaps it's time to put this bike away for a while til I have funds, and fix up my SV instead. I've practically got all the parts I need now to bring the SV back to life (forks/front wheel/fairings/etc). Just need gear pedal, and someone to actually fix it. SV was more fun than the er6 anyway.
Biker Biggles
20-10-10, 07:25 PM
Have you considered scrapping it?Looks like a bit of a dogs breakfast to me.
Well I paid around 2grand for it. I think the frame can get sorted at motoliners for around £100, and that chain mallarkey is a 30minute job apparently. Other than a new handlebar it would be all good to go, and then I'd just sell it.
Obviously it would never sell currently, but how much dya reckon I could make if I scrap it. I wouldn't even know how to scrap it.
dizzyblonde
20-10-10, 07:43 PM
No, if the bike has capacity to carry a pillion the pegs must be in place...:cool:
Without being too blunt, I'm amazed someone took a bike in that condition to an MOT station expecting anything but a fail...:confused:
depends where you take it, and also if it has a rear seat in some cases. Been mot'ing the SVs for years with no rear pegs!
You either have 2 or you have none.
Although as for the rest of the bike, if it didn't look so mangled, maybe they wouldn't have been so petty over the pegs.
looks a bit of a shambles for anyone to want to deem it as safe TBH, let alone an MOT station
speedplay
20-10-10, 08:16 PM
Are you in MK at the moment mate?
If you want help sorting the subframe, I can give a hand and have a few bits of kit.
Theres also a pretty good (re: understanding) MOT station in Northampton.
Are you in MK at the moment mate?
If you want help sorting the subframe, I can give a hand and have a few bits of kit.
Theres also a pretty good (re: understanding) MOT station in Northampton.
thanks for the offer mate, but Im at uni in London at the mo, and thats where my bikes are. Would love to ride up, but slight issue of MOT and road tax, lol.
speedplay
20-10-10, 08:51 PM
thanks for the offer mate, but Im at uni in London at the mo, and thats where my bikes are. Would love to ride up, but slight issue of MOT and road tax, lol.
No worries.
You should have had it MOTed in MK, nice straight roads everywhere....
barwel1992
21-10-10, 12:05 AM
No, if the bike has capacity to carry a pillion the pegs must be in place...:cool:
Without being too blunt, I'm amazed someone took a bike in that condition to an MOT station expecting anything but a fail...:confused:
never knew that
mines passed without rear foot pegs before, on two separate bikes two separate MOT testers (one was a dealer) would it matter that it has a seat cowl as both did and no rear seat
The mechanic at the dealer said if you dont have any pillion grab rails (I removed mine), then it won't pass the MOT because it needs a passenger foot peg.
Somewhat reverse logic, because the reason I removed the pillion grab rails and havent replace the peg is because I only ride solo anyway, and everyone I know is a weiner and would never get on.
you sure the wheel alignment was out BEFORE they did the MOT/Chain adjustment?
chances are they screwed up the chain adjustment first then did the MOT - failed in the hope to shaft you on the chain adjustment.
The rest may have then been just petty following from the chian to ensure you had to get work done with them.
Could have done things properly though but knowing how some garages can be they probably tried it on.
Dicky Ticker
21-10-10, 09:44 AM
Being honest and not meaning any disrespect if you presented the bike in that condition[Photos] I am not surprised it failed the MOT.
Should you get stopped by VOSA or a police vehicle examiner it would probably be impounded.
-Ralph-
21-10-10, 09:46 AM
You should get 800 quid scrap value. How long have you had it? How many miles has it done? And how much have you spent on it in that time?
If it's cost you 500 quid a year or less to run an 06 plate bike, you haven't done too bad. If you want cheap biking use your SV, it's pretty much stopped depreciating, mileage less of an issue on a 2002 bike, and will be worth more or less the same in a couple of years time as it is now.
My 06 plate SV is up for sale at 1500 quid, and it passed the last MOT no trouble at all, mechanically it is bob on and everything is straight. The only reason it is so cheap is because it has some purely cosmetic issues, and 23,500 miles. When there are other 06 plates around for £2-2500, with no damage, and 10000 miles on the clock, it has to be a bargain in order to sell.
Being honest and not meaning any disrespect if you presented the bike in that condition[Photos] I am not surprised it failed the MOT.
Should you get stopped by VOSA or a police vehicle examiner it would probably be impounded.
I did get stopped by the police at one point after the spill for not having a number plate. He saw the bent handlebar, but how would anyone tell the rear subframe is bent? The seat/tail light/indicators etc all go there so it's not visible.
Even the guy at the dealer said it was the bent handlebar that brought the rest to their attention. Took a punt and it failed - which worked out well cos now imna sort out the SV.
You should get 800 quid scrap value. How long have you had it? How many miles has it done? And how much have you spent on it in that time?
I bought the bike in November, and in just under a year probably done about 3000miles if that. Been out the country for almost 3months this year, and don't have much time for recreational riding sadly.
Frame can get sorted for about 70quid me thinks at motoliners, other than new handlebar and chain it'll be fine. Would scrapping for 800quid be worth it? It is an 06 er6 at the end of day, and mileage is about 13,000, so still a baby.
-Ralph-
21-10-10, 06:58 PM
Would scrapping for 800quid be worth it? It is an 06 er6 at the end of day, and mileage is about 13,000, so still a baby.
Not under those circumstances. If you had paid £2k for it, 2 years ago with 15000 miles on it, then put a further 15000 on, then consider the repair costs you are faced with, you might have been able to justify selling it for scrap
timwilky
22-10-10, 07:11 AM
Being honest and not meaning any disrespect if you presented the bike in that condition[Photos] I am not surprised it failed the MOT.
Should you get stopped by VOSA or a police vehicle examiner it would probably be impounded.
+1.
I have never had a bike fail an MOT, OK yes I do have a pet tester who thinks loud cans are an essential safety feature. However, there is so little on modern bikes to check that are not essential safety (indicators, rear pegs if I had any, etc). For my own personal protection, I know damm well everything else is in tip top condition.
I cannot ever remember ever seeing my tester check wheel alignment. When I do pay him my annual visit. He does regale me with stories of the horrors he has seen that week and of their owners who presume he will pass them.
He does tell people as they wheel their bike in, before he log it on the computer, if there is an obvious fail. That way nobody is wasting their time. He has more to be doing than MOTs
never knew that
mines passed without rear foot pegs before, on two separate bikes two separate MOT testers (one was a dealer) would it matter that it has a seat cowl as both did and no rear seat
The mechanic at the dealer said if you dont have any pillion grab rails (I removed mine), then it won't pass the MOT because it needs a passenger foot peg.
Somewhat reverse logic, because the reason I removed the pillion grab rails and havent replace the peg is because I only ride solo anyway, and everyone I know is a weiner and would never get on.
Quite simply. If you have a pillion seat, then it needs the foot pegs. If you have a seat cowl, then you dont need any pegs.
I failed on this once, only having 1 peg. Its a fair point when pointed out, and nothing that i quibbled over.
As for the seized rear adjuster. Easy job. Mine were like that. Now they are all happy and slidy. Can help you with that if needed as im osrt of just down the road.
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