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Rebecca Harris MP is putting forward a Private Members Bill to change the way we use daylight in this country.
The basic suggestion is that the clocks will go back this Autumn to GMT as normal, go forward 1 hour next Spring as normal (BST) then stay there next Autumn, so that we stay at GMT+1. There is also the possibility of going to GMT+2 in the next Spring.
Now I quite like the idea of more light later in the day in the Winter evenings, but I'm not sure about going to work early in the mornings in the dark for more weeks of the year. And that's without thinking beyond myself, in terms of other workers, children and energy saving.
What do you think?
BBadger
25-10-10, 05:16 PM
Nothing wrong with the system now....only want to change it because their the "new government" and think changing everything is a good idea.
No it's been discussed and even done before. I was trying to find the details, but I think in the 70's it was put to the test for a couple ideas. I'm still looking for more info on that
would prefer my kids going to school in the light thanks. its bad enough with sleepy car drivers as it is.
I understand that, but what time do they go to school? At the moment many kids go home in the dark.
yes but they are going home before rush hour, while kids in the morning are going to school in the rush hour, well actually about the time people are running late and taking risks.
So you don't take your kids out in the dark then? :)
Change it! Its pointless living on farmers time when we don't need to.
C
timwilky
25-10-10, 05:32 PM
So you want it to be dark even longer in the mornings? Sod that. It serves no purpose.
Some of us get up at 6am, It is so noticeable how long we have to wait before it starts to lighten up and I for one am looking forward to the clocks going back. Stupid Stupid Stupid idea to suggest we should be permanently GMT+1.
Cymraeg_Atodeg
25-10-10, 05:36 PM
Won't get it past the farmers unions as they want sun light in the early morning when they are working in the summer
I remember the trial back when I was a sprog. In the south I don't think it's an issue, the further north you go the more it's perceived as a problem.
Whatever the clocks say there's still the same hours of daylight, it's really a question of what times people do their business, but that's another issue.
I've often thought about the clock change thing, I would just like to see the winter time (GMT) shortened. Instead of "end Oct-end Mar" or effectively 5 months, it'd be nice to go from mid Nov to mid Mar, so reducing it to only 4 months. That would not change things dramatically for anyone but the perception of a shorter winter gloomy time would be a welcome benefit I reckon. If that worked OK, maybe it could be shortened even further, say 3 months.
maviczap
25-10-10, 05:46 PM
Well for once I'm in agreement with Tim and Biblo
And Cyraeg is correct.
Where is this MP's seat? Bet its not oop North
tigersaw
25-10-10, 05:54 PM
I remember the last time we did it, but back then kids actually walked to school (shock horror) and it was all about less getting run over.
I remember the last time we did it, but back then kids actually walked to school (shock horror) and it was all about less getting run over.
yes but there were less 'lucky bag' licence holders not to mention a lot less cars.
I hate feckin GMT, I hate dark miserable afternoons and evenings.
Why not leave it at GMT+1? Time zoning really only affects those from about Dundee northwards, 0.5m people against the other 59.5m.
If the Scots don't like it, well they have their own Parliament and they can make their own time zone. So too the Irish.
Get rid of GMT!!!! In fact lets have GMT+2, like they did in WW2, doesn't seem to have hurt anyone.
Biker Biggles
25-10-10, 07:45 PM
I cant believe we still change the clocks twice a year.Why not leave them alone,and let schools and whoever else feels the need to just open later than nine oclock?
punyXpress
25-10-10, 07:54 PM
I cant believe we still change the clocks twice a year.Why not leave them alone,and let schools and whoever else feels the need to just open later than nine oclock?
That's too b*oo*y easy for the politicians, common sense never did much for that lot.
From National Maritime Museum:
" During the Second World War, double summer time (2 hours in advance of GMT) was introduced and was used for the period when, normally ordinary summer time would have been in force. During the winter clocks were kept one hour in advance of GMT. After the war, summer time was invoked each year from 1948 to 1967. In 1968 clocks were advanced one hour ahead of GMT on 18 February and remained so until British Standard Time, during which clocks were kept in advance of GMT all year, came into force between 27 October 1968 and 31 October 1971.
timwilky
25-10-10, 07:55 PM
I cant believe we still change the clocks twice a year.Why not leave them alone,and let schools and whoever else feels the need to just open later than nine oclock?
Oh my god, somebody with sense. Oh but wait, have you not got it the wrong way round. The idea behind this is it will be light later when the little darlings are on their way home. Therefore they will have to start earlier not later.
I honestly don't know where I stand on this tbh. I can see the arguments on both sides.
Does anyone know if anything will be 'saved' by such changes?
stick to gmt+1 I say. Having it get dark at a later hour means more daylight during the day, and that's alway better.
punyXpress
25-10-10, 08:12 PM
How's about changing the clocks EACH DAY ?
Monday to Friday put forward an hour at 10.00, back at 12.00, forward at 15.00
That cuts the working day by 2 hours, so a 40% pay rise to compensate.
Shift workers to make their own arrangements.
Weekends on fine days, STOP THE CLOCK when you're out and enjoy the rest of the ride.
Essex of Essex
25-10-10, 08:14 PM
I work in an industry that is based on GMT all year, changing clocks doesn't get us more day light, it just forces us to adjust the datum by which we measure things. We can generate the same effect by starting the working day at a different time in the winter which is what we do now but we disguise it with the clock change.
barwel1992
25-10-10, 08:35 PM
i cant stand getting up to a dark morning, makes me sleepy when travelling so not good
i cant stand getting up to a dark morning, makes me sleepy when travelling so not good
I hope your driving lessons aren't at 8am:D
barwel1992
25-10-10, 08:43 PM
I hope your driving lessons aren't at 8am:D
nope 9am :lol:
maviczap
25-10-10, 08:51 PM
I sleep longer thanks to the dark mornings, takes me a few weeks to adjust, but better for me
hongman
25-10-10, 09:37 PM
Will never please everyone...easier to just blame politians!
Sid Squid
25-10-10, 09:40 PM
Nothing wrong with the system now....only want to change it because their the "new government" and think changing everything is a good idea.
:rolleyes:
That's right - no-one ever considered this before.
punyXpress
26-10-10, 09:39 AM
" The idea of summer time, or daylight saving time, was first suggested in a whimsical article by Benjamin Franklin in 1784. " NMM
wyrdness
26-10-10, 09:47 AM
I hate feckin GMT, I hate dark miserable afternoons and evenings.
Why not leave it at GMT+1? Time zoning really only affects those from about Dundee northwards, 0.5m people against the other 59.5m.
If the Scots don't like it, well they have their own Parliament and they can make their own time zone. So too the Irish.
Get rid of GMT!!!! In fact lets have GMT+2, like they did in WW2, doesn't seem to have hurt anyone.
Agree completely. I've joined the Lighter Later (http://www.lighterlater.org/) campaign which is lobbying for this.
Leave it at GMT - saves us having two clocks in our office :)
Dicky Ticker
26-10-10, 10:34 AM
Why can't people ,companies,firms or schools just change the start, finish times?
Paul the 6th
26-10-10, 11:18 AM
Nothing wrong with the system now....only want to change it because their the "new government" and think changing everything is a good idea.
A bit like when hitler tried to introduce a mathematical system where there were 100 degree in a circle instead of 360? :razz:
I saw this on bbc news this morning. They had a picture taken in harlow down south, a picture in liverpool and one in glasgow - harlow had a nice bright red sky and the sun was almost up, liverpool was still very dull with the street lights on and glasgow looked like the middle of the night - all the pictures were taken at 7.30am and emailed/txt'd in to the news.
I was surprised just how much of a variation there was...
Also on that article on the BBC were some of the savings that could be made by lighte afternoons, plus more activities/attractions staying open and even, the estimated, 80 fewer people killed on the roads.
I can see the problem the further north you go. Is it a far too radical idea to suggest that Scotland has it's own time? Other countries do it.
Paul the 6th
26-10-10, 11:41 AM
I can see the problem the further north you go. Is it a far too radical idea to suggest that Scotland has it's own time? Other countries do it.
they've got their own money and their own parliament - as far as I can see they're only a few years away from building a big wall so they might as well get a shuffle on :)
I've been getting up and leaving for work in the dark for weeks already. It won't be long now before I will be getting to work in the dark and going home in the dark. Makes no difference to me. Get rid of the GMT+1 and leave the clocks alone.
SoulKiss
26-10-10, 11:55 AM
Well at work I run on UTC, means the servers dont go into a tizz twice a year by having to adjust for an hours loss in the logs, or a duplication of time.
Lets just have the clocks go back at the weekend and leave them there
Forever
A bit like when hitler tried to introduce a mathematical system where there were 100 degree in a circle instead of 360? :razz:
I saw this on bbc news this morning. They had a picture taken in harlow down south, a picture in liverpool and one in glasgow - harlow had a nice bright red sky and the sun was almost up, liverpool was still very dull with the street lights on and glasgow looked like the middle of the night - all the pictures were taken at 7.30am and emailed/txt'd in to the news.
I was surprised just how much of a variation there was...
Try going even further North by about 100 miles...
:smt015
Rebecca Harris MP is putting forward a Private Members Bill to change the way we use daylight in this country.
The basic suggestion is that the clocks will go back this Autumn to GMT as normal, go forward 1 hour next Spring as normal (BST) then stay there next Autumn, so that we stay at GMT+1. There is also the possibility of going to GMT+2 in the next Spring.
Now I quite like the idea of more light later in the day in the Winter evenings, but I'm not sure about going to work early in the mornings in the dark for more weeks of the year. And that's without thinking beyond myself, in terms of other workers, children and energy saving.
What do you think?Thats all well and good, but it would cause havoc in all manner of maratime and aeronautical areas. As for going forward, then forward again, na, that means i loose 2 hours of sleep. Not happy about that.
they've got their own money and their own parliament - as far as I can see they're only a few years away from building a big wall so they might as well get a shuffle on :)
I think there are decent foundations for a really big wall there already :smt115
wyrdness
26-10-10, 12:31 PM
Why can't people ,companies,firms or schools just change the start, finish times?
Surely it's much easier to just not change the clocks twice a year, rather than force everybody to change start and finish times.
ThEGr33k
26-10-10, 12:46 PM
Go for it imo.
Id love summer time 11 oclock and just getting dark!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D
Dicky Ticker
26-10-10, 02:51 PM
Easier? IF you change the clocks you have altered the time anyway and whether is is light or dark you will always have a difference in latitude sunset/sunrise i.e north to south
Changing time locally for start/finish alleviates the local problem and before anybody mentions it you will always have different world times.
It isn't all that long ago that Britain had different times in different regions[100+yrs] .The main reason for change was so that trains could arrive/depart and you kept your watch the same time.
Irrelevant whether you move time forward or back on a clock, no two regions/countries/continents are the same,there is always a difference,be it seconds minutes ,hours, or even a whole day.
I never have or will understand why it is done
markc123
26-10-10, 04:00 PM
Hope this goes forward, any more daylight in the evening would be awesome, and it always feels like a waste in the height of summer when the day starts at 4am. Oh and I'm already driving to work in the dark anyway!
Go for it imo.
Id love summer time 11 oclock and just getting dark!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D
Hope this goes forward, any more daylight in the evening would be awesome, and it always feels like a waste in the height of summer when the day starts at 4am. Oh and I'm already driving to work in the dark anyway!Youre not going to get any more light. Think about it and look outside. The days will still get shorter and longer, thats not necessatated by time, but soloar/lunar patterns. You may gain an extra half hour of light in real terms at certain times of the year.
Its a whole load of hulabaloo if you ask me. Leave it as it is and quit yah whinging, the lot of ya. I like the dark winters, they are great
Cymraeg_Atodeg
26-10-10, 04:57 PM
I saw this on bbc news this morning. They had a picture taken in harlow down south, a picture in liverpool and one in glasgow - harlow had a nice bright red sky and the sun was almost up, liverpool was still very dull with the street lights on and glasgow looked like the middle of the night - all the pictures were taken at 7.30am and emailed/txt'd in to the news.
I was surprised just how much of a variation there was...
I remember when I was younger my Father being on the phone to my Auntie, we lived in Beachley (near Chepstow, the eastern edge of East Wales) and my Auntie lived in London, anyway, it took 13 minutes for the "sun set" to cover the distance between our houses and they are pretty much on the same geographic horizon
I saw this on bbc news this morning... liverpool was still very dull with the street lights on
But it's always like that;)
Try going even further North by about 100 miles...
:smt015
You could try staying drunk all winter and that way you wouldn't notice:D
Youre not going to get any more light. Think about it and look outside.
you wont literally get more light, but GMT+1 means that the sunsets at say 6.30pm and not 5.30pm. Fine the sun will rise an hour later, but wouldn't you rather have more daylight in the evening than the morning.
People do a lot more stuff around that time of day, and light would be useful, be it footy/park picnics/anything outdoors basically. I don't really mind if the sun comes out an hour later in the morning, cos we'll get it for longer at a better time.
Biker Biggles
26-10-10, 06:51 PM
But it's always like that;)
You could try staying drunk all winter and that way you wouldn't notice:D
Oi.No anti Scottish comments;)
punyXpress
26-10-10, 07:14 PM
Do what the bears do - NO not what they do in the woods! :smt115
Hibernate.
Job jobbed.
Paul the 6th
27-10-10, 07:25 AM
Do what the bears do - NO not what they do in the woods! :smt115
Scrub each other with sweeping brushes?
http://redclaydiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/dingleberries-102507.jpg
you wont literally get more light, but GMT+1 means that the sunsets at say 6.30pm and not 5.30pm. Fine the sun will rise an hour later, but wouldn't you rather have more daylight in the evening than the morning. No i work, 8-530 5 days a week. Its also cold duringt he winter months and the last thing i would want to do is work on anything. All i want to do, is go home, crash out in fornt of the hunted fishbowl and fall asleep.
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