My new bike workshop

[paiste]

Ever since I got the sv the one thing that I've been desperately after was a decent shed or garage to keep him and work on him! After a couple of years on the patio under a cover I finally bit the bullet and decided to build my own workshop at the bottom of the garden.
Having no building experience whatsoever I rather naively thought it would be relatively straightforward and wouldn't cost me more than around £1500.
I was wrong on both counts :?
Fortunately my mate's a builder and laid out the first couple of courses to set me off.

Anyway a few photo's before, during and present.

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Still not finished yet. Need to gloss the door and the window frame, paint the concrete floor ( when it eventually fully dries) paint the lintel. The biggest job will be to get electricity down there. Need to run armoured cable 185ft from house to workshop!
Nice bonus was that I was able to get that work bench made up out of the shuttering wood from the concrete base ;)

Not sure now when it's going to get finished as the new arrival to the family is somewhat time consuming!!
Hopefully by spring I'll have it sorted with it all tools and storage sorted ready for a season of tinkering and riding

I know it's not perfect, but I'm really proud of what I've done considering at the start of the summer I'd never laid a brick!
Probably made loads of mistakes and could've done a lot of things differently, but really enjoyed it and learned loads!

[maviczap]

Excellent, every man should have his castle :p

[Davie]

fantastic man cave just needs a fridge

[B1k3R]

Impressive

[maviczap]

fantastic man cave just needs a fridge

+ heating, Plasma Tv, sounds , phone (for ordering food, not taking phone calls), wench for delivering tea :cool:

[andrewsmith]

+ heating, Plasma Tv, sounds , phone (for ordering food, not taking phone calls), wench for delivering tea :cool:

yep!!

Looks spot on mate.

185ft that is an impressive size garden

[Geodude]

Superb, you should be well chuffed with yourself. :)

[Dave20046]

Looks great! Did you need any sort of planning permission?

Bet that bike sounds mean ;)

[Dicky Ticker]

Thats a nice hole;)-------whats happened to the last photo?

[paiste]

Looks great! Did you need any sort of planning permission?

Bet that bike sounds mean ;)

No didn't need planning permission. Local building regs stated that if it didn't measure over a certain footprint and the total height of the building was no more than 2.5 metres then planning permission is not required.

I had actually planned to build a pitched roof with gable ends as I initially read that the total height had to be no more than 4 metres. What I didn't read was that it had to be more than 2 metres away from the boundary.

Not tried the bike without the pipes on! Bought one of Chewies kits to angle the cans inwards. Not got around to fitting them yet as Sarah ended up having an emergency Cesarean section!

[paiste]

whats happened to the last photo?

??:confused:

[sv4me]

As another complete building noob, thats some mighty fine work you done there :D

[Ed]

Impressive:cool::thumright: I had a go at bricklaying recently and it's not nearly as easy as it looks.

[sinbad]

That looks spot on, a nice size. What about a nice ramp for easy bike access (can you push it through the door, or do you have to ride it in?) and flag a turning-round area just outside.

[Jayneflakes]

Very nice. Not at all jealous here!

[Berlin]

Very impressive... except for the 5" step to get the bike up! :)

Only kidding! Very nice job!

C

[paiste]

That looks spot on, a nice size. What about a nice ramp for easy bike access (can you push it through the door, or do you have to ride it in?) and flag a turning-round area just outside.

It can be pushed in no problem. The paved area is on the to do list for the spring. Ran out of time and money at the minute :)

Very impressive... except for the 5" step to get the bike up! :)

Only kidding! Very nice job!

C

Yeah! That is sort of intentional. My garden naturally runs down hill a bit. I wanted to make sure that the concrete raft was above floor level so as not to get water running in. It will be less pronounced with a paved ramp up to it when I pave the area in front of it in the spring :D

[Paul the 6th]

forgive me for seeming like an absolute nobber when I ask this but do you have to take the bike through the house, down the garden and into the batcave to get your bike in? Or is there outdoor access that I'm missing due to daylight savings time jetlag?

[paiste]

forgive me for seeming like an absolute nobber when I ask this but do you have to take the bike through the house, down the garden and into the batcave to get your bike in? Or is there outdoor access that I'm missing due to daylight savings time jetlag?

Well spotted!
It's a bit of a pain but access to the rear of our house is through next doors. I ride it into his garden, do a bit of a manouvre, then get it through the gate that seperates our garden and his ( our houses are joined and our outhouses are joined with a gate inbetween the two if that makes sense??) then ride it down the garden!
It's a bit of a PITA, but quite secure once it's in ;)

[-Ralph-]

Nice work! Sinking an armoured cable deep enough for frost protection, for 185ft, is going to be a big job.

[Gene genie]

aye aye. got a new arrival in the home and the man runs and hides in his shed.:D

i would love a bikehut like that but i don't possess enough mechanical knowledge to warrant it plus my garage is already full of bits and pieces from previous diy jobs so would probably end up being the same.

[Dicky Ticker]

Doh,didn't realise you had to go down and then across.:smt102

[Specialone]

Jeez Dan, bit over kill for a bike shed, nice work though, looks good.

Did you have the concrete delivered and dumped on that sheet ? Bet that was a job to barrow that all the way down there, I personally have done similar but uphill and I mixed it myself cos of how awkward it was to transport it.

Worst job ever, I was physically exhausted every night, took 3 days cos there was 3 bases totalling about 6 cubic metres.

[paiste]

Jeez Dan, bit over kill for a bike shed, nice work though, looks good.

Did you have the concrete delivered and dumped on that sheet ? Bet that was a job to barrow that all the way down there, I personally have done similar but uphill and I mixed it myself cos of how awkward it was to transport it.

Worst job ever, I was physically exhausted every night, took 3 days cos there was 3 bases totalling about 6 cubic metres.

Yes had the concrete delivered. it took two of us about 2.5 hours non stop to barrow it down. just got it all done before it started to go off :-s

Maybe I'm trying to block out the memory, but I can't recall how many cubic metres there was. Was about 5 tonnes in old money I think :smt102
The bloke delivering turned up at about 7:30 in the morning as well. I think he managed to wake the whole street

[speedplay]

Couple more months of a screaming baby...


You'll have a bed and wireless internet in there mate :)

*edit*

I've got a load of armoured cable here somewhere, I'll have a dig and see if I can find it if you like?
It's left over from one of my site supplies.

[paiste]

Couple more months of a screaming baby...


You'll have a bed and wireless internet in there mate :)

*edit*

I've got a load of armoured cable here somewhere, I'll have a dig and see if I can find it if you like?
It's left over from one of my site supplies.


Yes mate that'd be brilliant. Don't go out of your way though as I'm not sure when I'm gonna get around to doing it! ;)

[speedplay]

Ill dig it out and stick it to one side.

[Sally]

Nice work! Sinking an armoured cable deep enough for frost protection, for 185ft, is going to be a big job.

Maybe heat trace the cable?

[Owenski]

+1 on the internet in there.

Did mine a couple of years ago now, made sure to install internet, plenty of sockets, and sky Tv

Its a proper little man cave but is missing a fridge atm, love the little recess you've made. Only thing I'd say is you've made the same unnecessary mistake that I made. You've used floor joists (150x50mm) for the roof structure they'd have been fine made out of 2x4. Not a problem if you've a flat roof with it properly rolled and sealed but I've gone for bitumen sheets an the fall is too slack so could really do with all been ripped off and done again... only issue is all my electrics run through the roof :(

[speedplay]

I was wondering when the next floor was going on when I saw the Joists ;)

[454697819]

185FT of amoured cable... bloody hell..

I imagine the voltage drop would warrant a generator tbh?

good effort though.. i built mine from wood..:-)

[Specialone]

I was wondering when the next floor was going on when I saw the Joists ;)

Lol, i thought they were a bit 'chunky' for their role they was playing ;)

Im planning a games room at the bottom of my garden next year, want it to be like a summer house though.
Want a pub pool table, dart board, little bar etc

[speedplay]

Summer round at Phils...

[Specialone]

Summer round at Phils...

Oh yes mate, especially the people who help me build it ;)

[speedplay]

Might not be in the country mate :(

[Specialone]

boo :(
Where you off to? dirt bike show saturday btw?

[speedplay]

Oh, and were the cans not loud enough for you then?

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[paiste]

Oh, and were the cans not loud enough for you then?

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj163/paiste75/Bike%20Workshop/DSCF7043.jpg

Nope.
I thought Jack screaming at 3 o clock in the morning wouldn't p!ss the neighbours off enough so have done this mod for when I go back to work ;)

[Owenski]

Oh yes mate, especially the people who help me build it ;)

count me in, love a bit of labour especially if the payment is beer, bbq and banter.

[-Ralph-]

185FT of amoured cable... bloody hell..

I imagine the voltage drop would warrant a generator tbh?

good effort though.. i built mine from wood..:-)

I was going to suggest a generator, but thought I might get shot down for it being a stupid idea, given that, apart from the odd power tool, all he probably needs to run is a light bulb.

[-Ralph-]

I work from home, and when we have finally sold our house in Scotland and bought a house down here, I'm having one of these, which will be insulated and fitted with a storage heater (and a sofa bed, a fridge, a big TV, and a satellite dish!).

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garden-Office-/110522715457

[454697819]

i look it at two ways... 185ft of cable is going to be 100£ or there abouts, the ****ing about digging it in to 400mm... £100 for the mini digger for the day. or break your back doing it..

sod that tbh..

I imagine a voltage drop like that could have an effect on electric motors that he may run and it will definatly have enough of an effect to stop fluorescent tubes starting..

[-Ralph-]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wolf-WP1250-4-Stroke-Generator-2-4HP-1-3kVA-/260485380289

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wolf-WP3100-Generator-3200Watt-4-KVA-6-5HP-Engine-/370450711126

I nearly bought one of these, cos the house we are renting has a detached row of garages away from the house, and I didn't think they had power (it does, but only our garage as it's the closest to the house and the landlord installed an armoured cable under the garden, but the neighbours garages don't)

Costs about £1.50 an hour in fuel at 1/2 load (10 hours from a 15 litre tank), but you'd need to be running an electric heater on it to be reaching half load, if you are only drawing 100w most of the time it would only be ticking over and I don't know how much longer a tank of fuel would last. For heating there is always gas bottle heaters or parrafin heaters.

[Owenski]

bloody hell ralph, I built mine for less than that thing costs!mines built out of blocks/bricks including a 1.6m high retaining wall running 7metre. and I redered the top 2/3rds of it. £!800 for a timber shell seems extausionate.
You/ll have a cncrete footing to pay for to erect that too, bespoke masonry all the way for me mate.

[Specialone]

TBH, i could build one out of bricks with a tiled roof in my sleep, but i dont particulary want a great big brick building in my small garden.
Im gonna build a log cabin style games room with decent wood shiplap or log effect boards and im hoping to do the lot for £1000 inc base, which im gonna build on to a brick damp so that the wood is at least 6 inches away from the ground.
Col, if you wanna build your own, i could help.

[-Ralph-]

185FT of amoured cable... bloody hell..

I imagine the voltage drop would warrant a generator tbh?

good effort though.. i built mine from wood..:-)

bloody hell ralph, I built mine for less than that thing costs!mines built out of blocks/bricks including a 1.6m high retaining wall running 7metre. and I redered the top 2/3rds of it. £!800 for a timber shell seems extausionate.
You/ll have a cncrete footing to pay for to erect that too, bespoke masonry all the way for me mate.

OK. Will keep that in mind then. Suppose it depends on the planning permission rules where you live. In Scotland I had to have a prefabricated concrete garage, as my conservatory and garage were going to take up greater than the percentage of my garden than the planning office would allow, so I just got planning permission for the conservatory, then built a pre-fabricated garage, which was classed as a temporary building so didn't need permission.

For those reasons I had kind of dismissed building something solid, but Paiste didn't need planning permission for his. Maybe a re-think when the time comes.

Have you got any pic's of yours?

Paiste, how much did your's cost if you don't mind me asking?

If I built something solid, I'd need to plasterboard the interior and insulate. How much would doors and windows for a solid built building cost?

[454697819]

OK. Will keep that in mind then. Suppose it depends on the planning permission rules where you live. In Scotland I had to have a prefabricated concrete garage, as my conservatory and garage were going to take up greater than the percentage of my garden than the planning office would allow, so I just got planning permission for the conservatory, then built a pre-fabricated garage, which was classed as a temporary building so didn't need permission.

For those reasons I had kind of dismissed building something solid, but Paiste didn't need planning permission for his. Maybe a re-think when the time comes.

Have you got any pic's of yours?

Paiste, how much did your's cost if you don't mind me asking?

If I built something solid, I'd need to plasterboard the interior and insulate. How much would doors and windows for a solid built building cost?

doors & windows you pays ur moneys and takes your choice

UPVC window from B&Q 800 x 800 £90

Door from online UPVC supplier cheap as you like from £250 delivered.

timber then your talking more money

[Specialone]

OK. Will keep that in mind then. Suppose it depends on the planning permission rules where you live. In Scotland I had to have a prefabricated concrete garage, as my conservatory and garage were going to take up greater than the percentage of my garden than the planning office would allow, so I just got planning permission for the conservatory, then built a pre-fabricated garage, which was classed as a temporary building so didn't need permission.

For those reasons I had kind of dismissed building something solid, but Paiste didn't need planning permission for his. Maybe a re-think when the time comes.

Have you got any pic's of yours?

Paiste, how much did your's cost if you don't mind me asking?

If I built something solid, I'd need to plasterboard the interior and insulate. How much would doors and windows for a solid built building cost?
I could get you the windows and doors at trade price, if your clever and build it to accomodate off the shelf sizes, it dramatically reduces the cost.

Edit, i wouldnt touch anything like that from B&Q, they sell junk, end of.

[-Ralph-]

Cheers Phil, similarly, you'll get help with the labouring for your games room, when the time comes.

One of the homeworkers in Mawsley has built a similar kind of log cabin/super shed in his garden, but he put a proper tiled roof the same as his house on it. I pointed it out to a neighbour and commented that I would like something like that when we bought a house and he told me that he's being told to take it down because it's been deemed as a permanent structure without planning permission, this was confirmed by a few others that were standing nearby in the bar. The thought is that if he'd left a felt tile roof, they wouldn't have seen it as being "permanent", but the proper roof has taken it past just being a shed. It could be untrue though, you know how villagers like to gossip in the pub.

[speedplay]

The thought is that if he'd left a felt tile roof, they wouldn't have seen it as being "permanent", but the proper roof has taken it past just being a shed. It could be untrue though, you know how villagers like to gossip in the pub.


I've heard that before.

Sheds are not supposed to be built to last.

Good job I built mine from the outside in then ;)

Are you up at mawsley village then Col?

[Specialone]

Cheers Phil, similarly, you'll get help with the labouring for your games room, when the time comes.

One of the homeworkers in Mawsley has built a similar kind of log cabin/super shed in his garden, but he put a proper tiled roof the same as his house on it. I pointed it out to a neighbour and commented that I would like something like that when we bought a house and he told me that he's being told to take it down because it's been deemed as a permanent structure without planning permission, this was confirmed by a few others that were standing nearby in the bar. The thought is that if he'd left a felt tile roof, they wouldn't have seen it as being "permanent", but the proper roof has taken it past just being a shed. It could be untrue though, you know how villagers like to gossip in the pub.

Col, its the size tbh not what you use to construct it with, anything in the garden, inc conservatory is classed as temporary or uninhabitable building.
Tiled roof is perfectly ok as long as its within the garden building sizes,
What Dan said on his is what solihull use for their guidelines more or less.

People you see knocking through into their conservatories and using them as kitchens or whatever are breaking planning laws, there MUST be exterior doors and windows seperating the house from a temporary building.

[-Ralph-]

Are you up at mawsley village then Col?

You're getting Alzheimer's! ;)

Warning me all about the villager's webbed fingers and feet not ring a bell?

[speedplay]

well theres the new village (that looks like toy town) and the old one...

[Quiff Wichard]

not readthe whole thing but double doors wudda been handy . and a turntable.. and did you have to hand ball all that material to the build area from the front??

streewwwth !

[-Ralph-]

Col, its the size tbh not what you use to construct it with, anything in the garden, inc conservatory is classed as temporary or uninhabitable building.
Tiled roof is perfectly ok as long as its within the garden building sizes,
What Dan said on his is what solihull use for their guidelines more or less.

People you see knocking through into their conservatories and using them as kitchens or whatever are breaking planning laws, there MUST be exterior doors and windows seperating the house from a temporary building.

I'm going to have to re-learn all this stuff when I buy a house then.

Completely different in Scotland, a conservatory needs to meet building regs, have planning permission, have the electrics checked and passed, and be passed by building control and issued with a habitation certificate.

I was even supposed to build a disabled ramp up to the front door, because I had destroyed the original ramp to the back door (all new houses in Scotland have 32" doors), but the buildings inspector forgot to check it and I kept my mouth shut.

Had my garage been brick built, not pre-fab concrete, it would have needed planning permission too (which would have been rejected due to the size of the garage and the percentage of land it took up), a standard sized single garage would still have needed planning permission, but it would have been granted as quite a few neighbours had already done it.

[-Ralph-]

well theres the new village (that looks like toy town) and the old one...

Didn't know that, I'm in the new one, where's the old one?

[speedplay]

Didn't know that, I'm in the new one, where's the old one?


Muppet.

I was the project manager on the nursery, shops and offices right at the top end.

[Specialone]

I'm going to have to re-learn all this stuff when I buy a house then.

Completely different in Scotland, a conservatory needs to meet building regs, have planning permission, have the electrics checked and passed, and be passed by building control and issued with a habitation certificate.

I was even supposed to build a disabled ramp up to the front door, because I had destroyed the original ramp to the back door (all new houses in Scotland have 32" doors), but the buildings inspector forgot to check it and I kept my mouth shut.
Some areas do need planning permission, if you dont project from the house greater than 4m and dont exceed a certain width (cant remember exactly) then you dont have to involve the Building control.
I know this because i always get customers to call their local BCO and ask before i order anything and last one i did was 3 months ago.
They are still classed as temporary buildings otherwise insulation and conservation of energy would apply and you know conservatories are about as thermally efficient as a paper bag with a hole in it.

[-Ralph-]

well theres the new village (that looks like toy town) and the old one...

Muppet

No denying that, but I'm serious, where is the "old" Mawsley? I thought the new village was built on a green field site, and the nearest traditional villages were Old and Great Cransley?

[speedplay]

looks like part of the new site was built on the old looking at the ariel pics.

Was only a few stupid houses anyway.

[-Ralph-]

looks like part of the new site was built on the old looking at the ariel pics.

Was only a few stupid houses anyway.

They must have bought them and pulled them down then, 'cos there's no building more than about 6 years old in the village that I'm aware of.

[paiste]

Paiste, how much did your's cost if you don't mind me asking?

If I built something solid, I'd need to plasterboard the interior and insulate. How much would doors and windows for a solid built building cost?

TBH I've not sat and added it all up. Stupid I know but I will be unpleasantly surprised when I do add it all up :(

not read the whole thing but double doors wudda been handy . and a turntable.. and did you have to hand ball all that material to the build area from the front??

streewwwth !

The door is 1 metre wide so have no issues with getting the bike through.
Turntable? It is a PITA to turn it around at the moment if that's what you meant, but will pave the area in front of it in the spring.

And yes I did have to manouvre all of the building materials from around the front. Armed with a rusty wheelbarrow. Not forgetting the 2 builders skips full of earth I had to barrow up the garden before I laid the concrete :smt107

[-Ralph-]

Turntable?

Practice swivelling it round on the side-stand.

[Owenski]

OK. Will keep that in mind then. Suppose it depends on the planning permission rules where you live. In Scotland I had to have a prefabricated concrete garage, as my conservatory and garage were going to take up greater than the percentage of my garden than the planning office would allow, so I just got planning permission for the conservatory, then built a pre-fabricated garage, which was classed as a temporary building so didn't need permission.

For those reasons I had kind of dismissed building something solid, but Paiste didn't need planning permission for his. Maybe a re-think when the time comes.

Have you got any pic's of yours?

Paiste, how much did your's cost if you don't mind me asking?

If I built something solid, I'd need to plasterboard the interior and insulate. How much would doors and windows for a solid built building cost?


There are some pics in my album on here, think I got bored taking pics mid way through though and just concentrated on building the thing. I can take some finished pics if you like, although the doors arent totally finished yet, need to decide what Im doing regarding the ramp access in and also, because of that I've not really worried about insulating the doors yet they're still just timber.

Ignoring the retaining wall my costs came in roughly as:
Base: - £150
Blocks/Bricks/Gobbo - £750
Timber - £120
Roof Sheets - £100
Electricals/Cables - £FREE/STOLLEN depending on your view ;)
Render - £100 (ebay bargain)
Doors £120

There was of course the retaining wall done proir and the skips and skips and skips of earth we removed which added a fair bit onto that total but if you're not having to do anything quite so extreme then that can be ruled out.

Oh yeah, and every spare waking second of my life for about 4months!