Car choice

[Bri w]

And the next car will be??

[davepreston]

a3 cos then you can tell me how good it is and i'll buy one

[Bri w]

a3 cos then you can tell me how good it is and i'll buy one

Already got one, and the boot is too small. But I get extra goodies if I go for the cheaper A3, just a few extra toys if I go for the Passat or A4, and just the base model if I choose the A6.

[454697819]

bmw 3 series ftw

[Holdup]

A4

What BHP choices do you get? My Dads got his new car list through and theres a A3 sportback SE 1.6 diesel 105 bhp on there

[Bluepete]

I'd go for the A6.

Superb car to drive, lots of space, not as common as the "C0ck" factor A4, and even in vase trim, well specc'd.

It'll feel more special than the smaller cars and as a gentleman of obvious means, doors will open for you and people will doff their caps as you drive past.

Pete ;)

[DarrenSV650S]

Anything but diesel

[Dave20046]

A3 , drive lovely. Not a fan of the automatic, 'semi auto' was use able though.

[-Ralph-]

A6 is a lot more car for similar money.

[Bluepete]

Anything but diesel

Why?

Better MPG,

Better torque,

Quicker to warm up on frosty mornings,

And as for auto or manual,

I'll let you all in on a secret.

I drive fast cars for a living.

I would rather have an auto over a manual in every circumstance, especially an WV/Audi DSG 'box.

Pete ;)

[Holdup]

Why?

Better MPG,

Better torque,

Quicker to warm up on frosty mornings,

And as for auto or manual,

I'll let you all in on a secret.

I drive fast cars for a living.

I would rather have an auto over a manual in every circumstance, especially an WV/Audi DSG 'box.

Pete ;)

I agree with all of the above, and for the first two reasons thats why i want a diesel fast and economic :D

and are you the stig?

[DarrenSV650S]

Why?

Better MPG,

Better torque,

Quicker to warm up on frosty mornings,

And as for auto or manual,

I'll let you all in on a secret.

I drive fast cars for a living.

I would rather have an auto over a manual in every circumstance, especially an WV/Audi DSG 'box.

Pete ;)
lumpy fuelling

short powerband

sound like crap

feel like crap

stink

smoke

make you look like a cheapo

heavy

and oh yeh, diesels are the DEVIL!!! :smt070

[Dicky Ticker]

As a personage of distinction yourself and excuse me saying this,bit past the boy racer stage in your life;) I think the slightly classier look of the A6 is for you
I was pleasantly surprised by the overall performance.

[Bri w]

The current A3 2.0 ltr diesel 140bhp is a DSG and it is not slow. spec says quicker than a manual.

The last car was an A6 and I miss the space but I don't miss the car park dings - it was huge.

[Bluepete]

lumpy fuelling

short powerband

sound like crap

feel like crap

stink

smoke

make you look like a cheapo

heavy

and oh yeh, diesels are the DEVIL!!! :smt070

But we're not talking aout a 1989 Ford Fiesta here, it's a modern VAG TDi.

You've obviously not driven one with an open mind to the advantages they have.

Pete ;)

[Daimo]

VW powerband is short instant and then over. But 50mpg on the motorway is great.

A real driver uses a manual and a bit of heel and toe ;) I would expect better from a police office ;) But then i understand your doing more than just driving when chasing ned in his Nova so less to do the better.

Auto's are for the saftey concious, or town drivers.

Real men use manuals ;)

I would say A4, S line. We have an S3, nice car but for a family or dead body car, the boots too small (and 5 door A3's suck). A4 is nice middle ground, and the a6 is big and heavy and slower and wallows round the bends. All will understear being dervs with heavy engines up front though.

[barwel1992]

VW powerband is short instant and then over.

A real driver uses a manual and a bit of heel and toe ;) I would expect better from a police office ;) But then i understand your doing more than just driving when chasing ned in his Nova so less to do the better.

Auto's are for the saftey concious, or town drivers.

Real men use manuals ;)

or people that think cars are utter sh*t and think there's to many pedals...... that be me then :D

[DarrenSV650S]

But we're not talking aout a 1989 Ford Fiesta here, it's a modern VAG TDi.

You've obviously not driven one with an open mind to the advantages they have.

Pete ;)

I have driven modern diesels. That have no advantages.

The idea of saving money by driving a diesel is blurring your judgement

Darren ;)

[Bluepete]

VW powerband is short instant and then over.

A real driver uses a manual and a bit of heel and toe ;) I would expect better from a police office ;) But then i understand your doing more than just driving when chasing ned in his Nova so less to do the better.

Auto's are for the saftey concious, or town drivers.

Real men use manuals ;)

Mods,

Please move to the comedy thread where this post belongs :D

Pete ;)

[fizzwheel]

A3 - is a Golf with a different body on it
A4 - is aimed squarely at the rep / company car market and is finished as such inside
A6 - bigger boot than A4, bigger cabin space inside, and is a much nicer place to sit than an A4 is.

We went to look at buying an A4 recently, we sat in an A4, then sat in an A6, then we sat in the A4 again and I didnt like it. The A4 felt cramped and that it didnt have much space inside whereas the A6 is just much much nicer.

So we bought an A6, 2 litre Tdi like you are considering, ours has the 170bhp engine, which strangely returns better MPG than the 140bhp one.

Ours has the multi tronic auto box on it, but with the option to change gears manually with paddles or by nudging the actual gear lever forwards or backwards. The multitronic isnt a DSG gearbox, dont get the two confused.

Personally I'd get the A6, but with the 3 litre diesel in it as its more refined, better performance, but you do sacrifice this in terms of MPG.

But the 170bhp 2 litre diesel is the one that everybody seems to want which will help with resale value when the time comes to sell it on.

A6 is mahoosive ( its bigger than our 4 x 4 is ) so town driving / parking in tight carpark spaces can be a pain in the bum...

Personally for a drivers car, I'd rather have a manual, but thats not what the A6 about, its a big comfy, mile eating cross country mileater and for that purpose the auto is actually better and less tiring to drive.

Heres ours...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/fizzwheel/DSC_0755-Copy.jpg

[Holdup]

Is yours front wheel drive Fizz?

[Bluepete]

Fizz,

That's my next car...

Nice.

Pete ;)

[fizzwheel]

Is yours front wheel drive Fizz?

Yes it is. Not tried a Quattro, ours seems to have plenty of grip and if the weather rubbish we have a proper 4 x 4 that we can use then, so dont really need the Quattro anyway and the extra transmission drag I believe saps the fuel economy.

[Daimo]

Mods,

Please move to the comedy thread where this post belongs :D

Pete ;)

:lol: It was actually a compliment at the same time with regards to doing more than driving.

tbh, modern paddles are faster to drive on the road, faster on track, but still my statement stands, real me use manuals. Heel and toe will never be uncool.

Speak to any former F1 driver who really drove their car instead of letting their computer do it for them :lol: ;)

[Daimo]

oh oh oh....

A3 with 3.0 TDi with remap.

300bhp, 400lb ft torque....

Spankworthy.

[SVforvictory]

Quicker to warm up on frosty mornings...

Don't diesels take longer to warm up, as they don't waste so much energy as heat? :smt102

[Bluepete]

Daimo,

I know, I'm only having a laugh!

As for F1, it's a road, not a race track.







God, I'm old before my time...

[-Ralph-]

Fizz,

That's my next car...

Nice.

Pete ;)

It would be my next car, but I don't like the back of it, if I could manage with a saloon, then there would be no question. Prefer the look of the 5 series estate, or the new shape Honda Accord estate looks pretty smart too. Very nice car though.

[thulfi]

I hate automatic cars with an absolute passion.

No fun to drive, and the equivalent car in manual any day. I'll do the gear changes thank you very much KITT. What else is my left hand&foot for?

[fizzwheel]

It would be my next car, but I don't like the back of it, if I could manage with a saloon

I really dont like the A6 Saloon, I think it looks horrid, I prefer the Avant.. weird eyh...

[-Ralph-]

I may go for an auto next time. I'm doing 2500-3000 miles a month and getting thoroughly fed up with sitting behind the wheel of a car.

That's also a good argument that keeps raging in my head for NOT getting an Audi/BMW/Honda. I have an 07 plate Vectra Estate that I bought 2 years ago with 12k miles on it for £8k at Motorpoint. It now has 68k miles on it, and is probably worth something like 5 grand. There's no way I could go out and spend £16-£20k on a one year old Audi/BMW/Honda, do 56000 miles in it and only loose 3 grand over two years. There is a "workhorse" argument that says my next car should be a Vauxhall Insignia Estate!

[fizzwheel]

Liz does alot of miles each month commuting to and from work. She prefers the auto box as its less tiring to drive, I think theres an argument for it if you are mile munching. I've never liked auto's all the ones I have driven in the past were horrid, lumpy changes, the change was sluggish.

The box in the audi isnt like that, changes are seamless and you dont hear or feel them. the multi tronic box is variable tranmission so its constanly varying the gears to give best power / fuel economy. Its beautifully smooth, I like it now and I am as stated an avid auto gear box hater.

As for the workhorse / prestige argument, only you can answer that, but for me its more about if you are spending so much time behind the wheel, then I want that to be a nice experience, and travel in comfort and thats what the Audi gives, a decent as modern Vauxhalls are the interior cabin space isnt anywhere near on a par of what we have now and thats what you spend your time looking at / sitting in.

[barwel1992]

I may go for an auto next time. I'm doing 2500-3000 miles a month and getting thoroughly fed up with sitting behind the wheel of a car.

That's also a good argument that keeps raging in my head for NOT getting an Audi/BMW/Honda. I have an 07 plate Vectra Estate that I bought 2 years ago with 12k miles on it for £8k at Motorpoint. It now has 68k miles on it, and is probably worth something like 5 grand. There's no way I could go out and spend £16-£20k on a one year old Audi/BMW/Honda, do 56000 miles in it and only loose 3 grand over two years. There is a "workhorse" argument that says my next car should be a Vauxhall Insignia Estate!

saab 93 ? my dads 08 plate is very nice (aero 1.9 twin turbo diesel estate )

[Specialone]

Turbo diesels are brilliant IMO, love the low down torque which is ideal for town driving upto 80 mph.
My neighbour has 2.5L v6 quattro A4 Td, with 200+k miles on, that thing goes really well, pulls like a train.

On today's roads, autos are brilliant, empty road, I'd have a manual tbh .

[-Ralph-]

a decent as modern Vauxhalls are the interior cabin space isnt anywhere near on a par of what we have now and thats what you spend your time looking at / sitting in.

That's exactly what I said to my stepfather who has an A6. His car is a much nicer place to sit and look around, but when you are driving you are looking through the windscreen, and his car isn't any quieter, any better ride comfort, or more comfortable seats, it's only when you stop and look around the Vectra interior that looks like it was built by the Mattel toy company that there is any let down. What I have to decide is whether pride of ownership is worth the extra money.

saab 93 ? my dads 08 plate is very nice (aero 1.9 twin turbo diesel estate )

Funny you should say that, I was looking at them on the web yesterday!

Motorpoint have 1.8t Vector Sport Estates with all the toys and leather seats for £10500. Could be a good half way house between a Vauxhall and an Audi. My fuel is paid by my work, so I'm not interested in spending the extra to get a diesel.

Passats are around at that kind of money too, but again don't like the looks of the estate and find that most are not a good spec as standard.

[Bluepete]

Ralph,

The Saab is a Vectra dressed up a bit. Same platform.

Pete ;)

[lily]

Bri if you are looking at brand new you may want to check what Audi's lead times are. At work we are currently waiting for an A3 sportback to be deliveried this month (was ordered in March!) and a Q5 that was order in August is expected the end of June next year! For this reason alone a lot of our company car drivers are staying away from Audi as we can't get the vehicles in time for current lease end dates.

[Swin]

I like the Passat :D

Although our car is pretty much a workhorse and frankly as long as its diesel and an estate I don't care what it is really

[Bri w]

Bri if you are looking at brand new you may want to check what Audi's lead times are. At work we are currently waiting for an A3 sportback to be deliveried this month (was ordered in March!) and a Q5 that was order in August is expected the end of June next year! For this reason alone a lot of our company car drivers are staying away from Audi as we can't get the vehicles in time for current lease end dates.

good shout Lily. I hadn't though about lead times. I need to chase the fleet manager now

[Daimo]

Daimo,

As for F1, it's a road, not a race track.


Indeed, the speed limit on the queens highways is 70mph orrificer ;) F1 cars are still in 1st gear ;)

[Daimo]

saab 93 ? my dads 08 plate is very nice (aero 1.9 twin turbo diesel estate )

Twin turbo? Don't they use Vauxhall engines so would be a single turbo 1.9 CDTi unit? Could be mistake, but im 90% its not a twin turbo.

Lilly - A3 waiting time is at least 6 months as so many people are after them.

Thats why you should get an S3. Much shorter waiting time, and far better car, and as we're finding out, as economical as the VXR was, with more weight, and more power, and its yet to bed itself in yet.

Vetra Turbo did I see? Very very thirsty engine as well. 1.9 150bhp CDTi is the engine to go for for economy/performance.

As with all derv engines these days though, remaps work wonders, increase fuel economy, and give a fair chunk of power/torque too.

[-Ralph-]

Ralph,

The Saab is a Vectra dressed up a bit. Same platform.

Pete ;)

I know, but like I said, there's nothing wrong with the platform, it's smooth, quiet, comfortable, and will sit on cruise control at speeds you would ticket me for all day long. The Vectra was built specifically for motorway munching. It's a great car for what I do, so long as you sit in the seat, hold the steering wheel, look through the windscreen and don't worry about the rest.

I've had one or two reliability issues, but it's been a damn sight better than my last BMW and my stepfather has even had the odd electrical niggle with his A6. I think VW/Audi and good Japanese brands like Toyota & Honda are the only cars you can really rely on nowadays. BMW and Merc are certainly no better than your average Ford or Vauxhall for reliability anymore.

The toytown dressing is the problem with the Vectra. If the Saab bodywork and interior is a better build quality, I'd be quite happy with one. Don't know if it is though, I've never sat in one.

[Stu]

.

I would rather have an auto over a manual in every circumstance, ...
Pete ;)
Didn't you have a moment in an X5 Auto in snow?

[Bluepete]

Bri,

Have you considered the Skoda Superb in saloon or estate?

Same car as the A6, same engine, same gearbox choices, interior arguably just as good, lower cost to purchase.

No jokes please about Skodas, we're not in the 1980's now.

Pete ;)

[Bluepete]

Didn't you have a moment in an X5 Auto in snow?

Hah!

Yeah, forgot about that! TBH, that was the car, they are **** in snow.

Pete ;)

[Dicky Ticker]

Ralph has mentioned the Honda Accord and funnily enough I had a test drive in a secondhand 2.2 diesel yesterday plus a good look round the new one
Impressed by the Estate Executive model which comes fully loaded and I just wish I could afford one so I'm still looking for a red 2.2 diesel saloon[s/h] which is more my price range

I was speaking to my sons mate who is a paramedic and they use the estate.Their current one has 140K on the clock and is used in preference over the other cars,namely the Ford Focus

[BigBaddad]

Don't go foe the 2ltr PD Diesel engine it has issues the 1.9 pd or the 2.0CR are the ones to go for

[Bri w]

Bri,

Have you considered the Skoda Superb in saloon or estate?

Same car as the A6, same engine, same gearbox choices, interior arguably just as good, lower cost to purchase.

No jokes please about Skodas, we're not in the 1980's now.

Pete ;)

I don't get to choose what's on the list - Company car but without the graphics yours has ;)

[lily]

Lilly - A3 waiting time is at least 6 months as so many people are after them.


make that a year!

The A3 Sportback ordered start of may this year is now expected May/June 2011.

[Daimo]

We ordered our S3 in July and delivered 8th Oct just to rub it in a bit ;)

Worth the little bit extra once you've spec'd up a decent A3, for delivery time, and the fact you get leather, sat nav etc included anyway. (obviously depending on the engine fitted).

[lily]

It's not my car, I just get the ear ache from the company car driver, on how it's not acceptable, and it's my fault and the leasing companies fault, and that I should hold other orders to ransom with the leasing company until they sort it out. :rolleyes:

[lily]

Bri- this is what our leasing company has been advised by their dealership chain on leadtimes for Audi's


A1 March/April
A3 April/May
A4 April/May
A5 April/May
A6 March/April
A7 March/April
A8 March/April
Q5 June/July
Q7 April/May

[mattSV]

saab 93 ? my dads 08 plate is very nice (aero 1.9 twin turbo diesel estate )

Apart from the big dent in the back ;)

I hear the brakes are VERY good on them :thumright:

[barwel1992]

Twin turbo? Don't they use Vauxhall engines so would be a single turbo 1.9 CDTi unit? Could be mistake, but im 90% its not a twin turbo.

Lilly - A3 waiting time is at least 6 months as so many people are after them.

Thats why you should get an S3. Much shorter waiting time, and far better car, and as we're finding out, as economical as the VXR was, with more weight, and more power, and its yet to bed itself in yet.

Vetra Turbo did I see? Very very thirsty engine as well. 1.9 150bhp CDTi is the engine to go for for economy/performance.

As with all derv engines these days though, remaps work wonders, increase fuel economy, and give a fair chunk of power/torque too.

nope its a twin turbo one small one big, 178bhp

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/210722/saab_93.html

you can only get the twin turbo in the top spec model

470 miles to a £60 tank

[-Ralph-]

Why would you automatically assume that because it's using another manufacturers engine, that it must using the same turbochargers? :rolleyes:

[thedonal]

Get a Trabant.

[dizzyblonde]

I don't like Audi drivers do I Bri....so if you get an A6 like me dad, then I suppose its ok, and you are exempt from the DizzyB hates Audi campaign.;)

The A6 is a lovely comfy car, everyone loves my dads, dunno why. Even the neighbour asked the other week 'who's is the Audi, its lovely'.! Having being so used to the Poofwaggon for so long, unfortunately, I feel like Fred Flinstone in a boat when I'm sat in it these days!



The last car was an A6 and I miss the space but I don't miss the car park dings - it was huge.
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I know they are huge, but how did you ding it so much, they have one of them beeper jobbies in them that go dingy ding, diiiiiiing, ddddddddddiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnngggggg, when you get remotely close to anything.....oh how we like to wind me dad up with that!

[embee]

Get a Trabant.

A friend of mine went over to Zwickau with a group of bods and got about a dozen of just about the last Trabbies off the production line (sometime just after the wall came down). They drove them back to the UK. I think it cost him about £1700.

Phenomenally dreadful things, words almost fail me. It's hard to believe a 2 stroke twin can vibrate that much. The interior trim was all different colours too, they used whatever was available.

[Stu]

Hah!

Yeah, forgot about that! TBH, that was the car, they are **** in snow.

Pete ;)
Oh God!

how sad am I, that I didn't :roll:

[fizzwheel]

I know they are huge, but how did you ding it so much, they have one of them beeper jobbies in them that go dingy ding,

They do, sadly they dont work when other car owners bang their doors into your car. The A6 is wide, its wider than our 4 x 4 is, which means that if the car park spaces are a bit on the small side its a tight fit, which means it parked close to other cars and vulnerable to a bang in the door from another cars door.

[Bri w]

They do, sadly they dont work when other car owners bang their doors into your car. The A6 is wide, its wider than our 4 x 4 is, which means that if the car park spaces are a bit on the small side its a tight fit, which means it parked close to other cars and vulnerable to a bang in the door from another cars door.

Spot on Fizz. I never hit anything but had so many door 'dings' from people who obviously couldn't give a toss. tbh that, and Company car tax, are the reasons I changed to the A3 - it was like an £80 a month pay rise.

But I need something bigger than the A3, and the others with extras mean it won't make any difference tax-wise which one I choose.

[-Ralph-]

My stepfather parks in the furthest corner of the car park, or in a multi story goes right to the top, then walks. If somebody dinged his A6 he'd cardiac arrest :lol:

That's the other advantage of a Vectra. SCCRAAAPE, oh well, hey ho :smt102

[Swin]

My stepfather parks in the furthest corner of the car park, or in a multi story goes right to the top, then walks. If somebody dinged his A6 he'd cardiac arrest :p

That's the other advantage of a Vectra. SCCRAAAPE, oh well, hey ho :smt102


+1

Amen to this!

My mate has just bought a Shogun, bloody huge thing! He parked in London and went crazy because he got a scratch on the rear bumper.
Wife's Astra gets a scrape - ho hum...

[fizzwheel]

That's the other advantage of a Vectra. SCCRAAAPE, oh well, hey ho :smt102

Thats why we take our 4 x 4 into town, another scrape on the side of that just adds "character" :D

[fizzwheel]

But I need something bigger than the A3, and the others with extras mean it won't make any difference tax-wise which one I choose.

If you went for an A4 Estate the boot is pretty big, IIRC in terms of Litres it isnt a huge amount smaller than the A6 boot is... just the A4 is the same width almost as the A3 which means you dont have the carpark issue that you get with the A6 then.

[dizzyblonde]

They do, sadly they dont work when other car owners bang their doors into your car. The A6 is wide, its wider than our 4 x 4 is, which means that if the car park spaces are a bit on the small side its a tight fit, which means it parked close to other cars and vulnerable to a bang in the door from another cars door.

Ahhh well if you put it like that, they are as wide a blue whale;) I wouldn't think it was wider than a 4x4 though:confused:

My stepfather parks in the furthest corner of the car park, or in a multi story goes right to the top, then walks. If somebody dinged his A6 he'd cardiac arrest :lol:

That's the other advantage of a Vectra. SCCRAAAPE, oh well, hey ho :smt102

Just like my dad, he goes nuts if someone dings the Focus!

Thats why we take our 4 x 4 into town, another scrape on the side of that just adds "character" :D


errrrrr no not character for me, more devastation.
I had my license for two weeks, our pristine poofwaggon was parked in the furthest spot available away from numpties in Asda carpark. I came back to a giant scrape from front to back down the side of the car, with a nice dint in the passenger door:( It looks like it could be from a shopping trolly....people can't park cars properly so they certainly can't be capable of driving trollies as well!!! If I can park in a tight space with a car the size of a small truck with so little experience, why can't everyone else?

As for the Passat, Peg drives the bosses, every now and again. The 2010 2 litre deisel. He thinks its uncomfortable, noisy and it feels like the wheels are incapable of coping with the power. The only thing good is the engiine, the handbrake is a complete joke! A push button hydraulic jobbie. The key is a button card thing, you have to push it in a hole in the dash, then you have to have foot on brake, gear in nuetral, at the same time as pushing the key button thing in, then you have to push the handbrake button in with foot on brake, or it won't release.

[-Ralph-]

As for the Passat, Peg drives the bosses, every now and again. The 2010 2 litre deisel. He thinks its uncomfortable, noisy and it feels like the wheels are incapable of coping with the power. The only thing good is the engiine, the handbrake is a complete joke! A push button hydraulic jobbie. The key is a button card thing, you have to push it in a hole in the dash, then you have to have foot on brake, gear in nuetral, at the same time as pushing the key button thing in, then you have to push the handbrake button in with foot on brake, or it won't release.

And to get the windows down YOU HAVE TO PUSH A BUTTON! Then it goes ALL the way down, BUT I ONLY WANTED IT HALF WAY!!! ;)

[andrewsmith]

Bri whats ur budget?

I would try and go for a 2.5 or 3.0l if you go for a A6 the 2.0l is too weedy and can be beaten by a transit van.

Could be the ultimate cheapskate and go for the diesel Skodka VRS's basically the same car as the A3 and A4's

[G]

Company car tax :(

How many cars has your company got in it fleet? You should tell them to look into ECOS schemes. Exactly the same a company car except you don't pay company car tax. As long as your contract is worded correctly you should be no worse off.

[BernardBikerchick]

nope nope non of the above RS4 if they do that !!
or failiong that LUPO GTI is the way forward !!

[fizzwheel]

if you go for a A6 the 2.0l is too weedy and can be beaten by a transit van.

With respect, that my friend is complete rubbish.

[andrewsmith]

With respect, that my friend is complete rubbish.

I stand corrected, Fizz i aint gonna argue with darth vader.

I still think of diesels of being underpowered for size

[barwel1992]

I stand corrected, Fizz i aint gonna argue with darth vader.

I still think of diesels of being underpowered for size

that is mostly true, im looking at getting a Ibiza FR 1.4 petrol and it produces the same BHP and 1.9tdi

[Dicky Ticker]

Both petrol and diesel engines come in various stages of tune. You state 1.9tdi but which,normally aspirated, turbo'd,turbo intercooled???all VAG.

[G]

Both petrol and diesel engines come in various stages of tune. You state 1.9tdi but which,normally aspirated, turbo'd,turbo intercooled???all VAG.

It will be the VAG 1.4 TSI no doubt... it's a turbo'ed and supercharged new generatoin petrol, it's the same as what comes in the new Polo GTI and Fabia VRS... it's about 170 - 180 bhp if memory serves me right.

It the same power as the 170hp VAG 1.9TDI engine thats in the Leon FR/Golf/Scirocco/Octavia VRS etc.

The 1.4 TSI is an ok engine bhp wise, but it's not got the torque of a 2ltr diesel.

[barwel1992]

Both petrol and diesel engines come in various stages of tune. You state 1.9tdi but which,normally aspirated, turbo'd,turbo intercooled???all VAG.

tdi means its a Turbo diesel compresion ignition ..... and i know this but in there higher end model (FR) comparing the least powerful 1.4si fr vs the least powerfull 1.9tdci fr, give or take a few bhp they produce the same power the 1.4 is natural aspirated 1.9td is turbo

ps on about the older style not new ones, the tdi produces 128bhp the petrol 130bhp (both the least powerful engines)

[fizzwheel]

I stand corrected, Fizz i aint gonna argue with darth vader.

I still think of diesels of being underpowered for size

It might only be a 2 litre, but in 170bhp form like ours is, its is substantially faster than a Ford Transit van is ;)

[-Ralph-]

Barwel, your picking on a single manufacturer to make a big generalisation.

My 1.8 Vectra makes 140bhp and is considerably slower in the real world than the 1.9 Cdti 150 bhp as it has bugger all torque.

[Daimo]

that is mostly true, im looking at getting a Ibiza FR 1.4 petrol and it produces the same BHP and 1.9tdi

Haven't you only just pased your test?

And your getting a 1.4 turbo'd and supercharged engine in your first car.

http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/images/smile/facepalm.gif

Also, a 1.8 Vectra does not make 140bhp. It makes 125bhp.
Even the previous generation 2.0 16v of the same era only make 136bhp.
Current 2.0 16v makes 145bhp.
Which is also a backwards step from the legendary Redtop engine which made 150/156bhp in its two formats (or 204bhp in turbocharged form).

[Dicky Ticker]

Having spent a life time in transport I can assure you that bhp is no substitute for torque and a small engine producing loads of power will never outlast a slower reving diesel equivelant.
Small engine 6500-7000rpm
Diesel engine 4000-5000rpm for the same speed
Which engine is going to wear out first

[Daimo]

Or small engine, with £10k thrown at it, and 10,000rpm still doesn't last long.... :lol:

Actually Dicky, it depends on the quality of the materials used. Saab's (older 900), Volvo 2.4 T, all high forced induction engines, and good for 250k+

We've had dervs that are fully serviced, some lasting 80k, and others on 120k that still feel brand new.

Golf GTi Mk2 8v engines... Didn't start bedding in till 90,000 miles odd.

Each engine is different, so thats a bit of a blanket statement.

Just look at some VFR 800cc engines that rev to 11000+rpm, that have done over 100k for example.

[andrewsmith]

It might only be a 2 litre, but in 170bhp form like ours is, its is substantially faster than a Ford Transit van is ;)

Haha i see a race a happenin. :p

Cars will all be turbo'd v soon with the nxt euro regs. Its bye bye type r and all naturally aspirated hot hatch esque preformance cars

[Dicky Ticker]

Yes it was a generalisation as to the specifics quoted in the OP but you yourself are quoting larger capacity engines of a bygone era.I still standby lower revving engines will outlast higher revving engines----in general.
Citroen have fitted a 1.6 turbo to replace the old 2.0 hdi in several models but I have my suspicions as to which will be least bother and last longer

No I don't have a Citroen but No4 on the survey list:D long live Vtech

[Daimo]

This is another funny thing really.

Turbo engines are under so much more pressure than an NA engine, and theres so much more to go wrong (god bless Rotarys!!), so how long these modern small pot FI engines last as you say, will be interesting.

I can't help but think that like with most turbocharged engines now, that "remaps" will be widely used (man now thats a market I should research and get into) as you can get so much power so easily. Then have the map removed before you sell it hence making said engine thrashed.

Theres also the current debate..

Thrash a new engine from new, makes more power, last less miles.
Bed it in properly from new, makes less power, lasts longer.

I hate the depreciation from a new car, but going forwards, its the safest choice :lol: If hire purchase wasn't such a waste of cash, i'd do that these days.

[barwel1992]

Haven't you only just pased your test?

And your getting a 1.4 turbo'd and supercharged engine in your first car.


haven't passed yet, and im insured on my mums rx8 as a learner atm until she gets the ibiza as the insurance i half, ps its not my car, im just insured to drive it when the weathers sh*t

[Biker Biggles]

haven't passed yet, and im insured on my mums rx8 as a learner atm until she gets the ibiza as the insurance i half, ps its not my car, im just insured to drive it when the weathers sh*t

Excuse the derail but how much insurance do you pay to be a named driver on that?

[dizzyblonde]

not much as a learner I don't doubt, but once with a full license it'll go through the roof, as we found out recently with the poofwaggon.

[barwel1992]

£2400 thats half what it would cost on my own £200 heap and £1k on the ibiza

DB insurers sead it wouldn't change when i pass

[dizzyblonde]

£2400 thats half what it would cost on my own £200 heap and £1k on the ibiza

DB insurers sead it wouldn't change when i pass

HOWWW MUCHHHHH????? :smt103

rich kids ehhh:rolleyes:

Oh trust me, it will change when you pass, or at least it will when the policy is due for renewal. Ours got a refund of 50 quid when I was a named driver on L plates, and didn't change when I passed BUT.....
.... When you're on L plates you have someone next to you who is the policy holder and responsible etc etc, when you are out there in the big wide world on your own, you are seen as a liablilty. Even with 6 years NCB on the bike and being an old sow of mid 30s, our insurance doubled when we renewed it.....purely as I was now a qualified driver, with less than a years experience under my belt behind the wheel.

[-Ralph-]

purely as I was now a qualified driver

:lol:

ahem, sorry, 8-[




;-)

[dizzyblonde]

:lol:

ahem, sorry, 8-[




;-)

:lol: oooppss LOL.

Thats what happens when you try feeding a baby and typing at the same time,

[mikerj]

Having spent a life time in transport I can assure you that bhp is no substitute for torque and a small engine producing loads of power will never outlast a slower reving diesel equivelant.
Small engine 6500-7000rpm
Diesel engine 4000-5000rpm for the same speed
Which engine is going to wear out first

How many car owners have had the engine in a modern car actually worn out? Virtually none; by the time the engine gets to the stage where it needs a full rebuild due to wear the the rest of the car will be very tired anyway. My Civic VTi was still going strong with 170k miles on the clock, and that's an engine that explored the red line at 8500RPM on a daily basis.

Unless you are talking about HGV that can cover a million miles on an engine then engine life (in terms of wear) simply isn't a factor on modern cars. Of course engine life in terms of something breaking is a different matter, and here modern diesels don't do very well at all. Failing turbos, dual mass flywheels and injectors and fuel pumps are a recurring theme on most modern common rail diesels. And no the diseasal owner has to cope with expensive DPFs that have a finite life and frequently fail prematurely.

[The Basket]

Yes it was a generalisation as to the specifics quoted in the OP but you yourself are quoting larger capacity engines of a bygone era.I still standby lower revving engines will outlast higher revving engines----in general.
Citroen have fitted a 1.6 turbo to replace the old 2.0 hdi in several models but I have my suspicions as to which will be least bother and last longer

No I don't have a Citroen but No4 on the survey list:D long live Vtech

The 2 litre is still available. Its the smaller cars like the DS3 which dont have a 2 litre engine anyway.

[barwel1992]

HOWWW MUCHHHHH????? :smt103

rich kids ehhh:rolleyes:

Oh trust me, it will change when you pass, or at least it will when the policy is due for renewal. Ours got a refund of 50 quid when I was a named driver on L plates, and didn't change when I passed BUT.....
.... When you're on L plates you have someone next to you who is the policy holder and responsible etc etc, when you are out there in the big wide world on your own, you are seen as a liablilty. Even with 6 years NCB on the bike and being an old sow of mid 30s, our insurance doubled when we renewed it.....purely as I was now a qualified driver, with less than a years experience under my belt behind the wheel.

cheeper than 4k on a £200 car ;)

and that was a new policy

[kwak zzr]

i really rate the passat, might have me another.

[Shellywoozle]

My sis in law has just took delivery of the top of the range 60 plate Passat and I love it.

Love Audis but this Pasat surprised me twas brill, fire up the bumper sensors and walk around the car, got me hooked ROFL