View Full Version : Trackday depression - Help please
N8te rider
08-11-10, 11:41 AM
Just to warn you, this is a long, not so happy post:
Do you think it would best I give up trackdays and just enjoy riding about on the roads or keep trying? I've done 6 track days this year (2 with SV, 4 with R6) and 90% of the time its not enjoyable. It leaves me feeling frustrated and tired. Main problem: I'm too slow. Been out with trackday Marshals, they have on 2 occasions got tired of waiting for me and left me for dust. Sometimes I've done track days with 1st timers and got lapped! Both mates I usually race with are alot faster but have both trashed their bikes. I've not come off yet. I do lack the balls to ride to the limit and I guess you need that to have some fun. Sometimes I spend too much time on track worrying about coming off than enjoying being there. Does anyone else feel like this? Am I doing something wrong? Should I be riding on a crap bike instead of a 7 grand beyond my ability r6? Perhaps its more serious. Ive had a rough childhood which has left me going through life with zero confidence in myself and a natural tendancy to over worry about stuff. Maybe this comes out in my riding. Would doing a superbike school help or is that a waste of money having a such a deep rooted confidence barrier? Don't like giving up, just wish I could enjoy trackdays more
Sorry if this has been a bad thread to read but would appreciate what you guys think might help
AndyBrad
08-11-10, 11:53 AM
dont worry, if your not happy on a track day, why waste your time and money on one? Theres a lot of balls talked in bikes about how you go at 20000000miles an hour round a corner with your knee down while sparking up a fag. Dont get tempted to ride like other people just ride for yourself and enjoy it. Else why bother?
benji106
08-11-10, 11:57 AM
Maybe try something else like an off road experience. you may well find it more enjoyable and could help build confidence so you are a bit looser on the track?
beabert
08-11-10, 11:57 AM
I agree, if your scared of coming off you will never enjoy it. Its normal, thats why most people dont want a bike.
Do you fear getting hurt, or do you fear binning your expensive pride and joy?
There is not a lot you can do about the fear of getting hurt... if its the fear of binning your expensive bike then buy a cheap 600 to play on on the track.
I used to give my 600rr a fairly hard time, I ended up binning it, it's almost an inevitability. If your not testing yourself your not going to have much fun.
I won't be tracking the Ducati (so I keep telling myself :rolleyes:) as I don't want to knacker it up, which I no doubt would do if I started doing trackdays on it.
" Both mates I usually race with are alot faster but have both trashed their bikes." and " I've not come off yet"
I think unless you have deep pockets and have a constitution of super man I think you are doing well. So will going faster and trashing your bike make it more enjoyable?
Like with most things I think its learning the theory and just down to the ability to apply it. It might just take a while longer for the application.
I have no problems going slow and know what happens when I try and go fast :) But then again I go slow with a smile on my face :)
bigchris
08-11-10, 12:01 PM
I feel like this on the road sometimes, no confidence and wondering why i botherd to do my test and get a bike.
I tend to expect a lot of myself and wonder why i pannick in the bends sometimes.
I bet there are really quick riders out there who struggled at first, so i try not to be too hard on myself.
If your not enjoying the track days dont do them.
I take it you do enjoy them and probably just need more confidence?
Let me know if you find any cos i could do with bags full of it!!!
fizzwheel
08-11-10, 12:02 PM
Why continue to do something that you dont enjoy doing, seems a bit pointless.
Who cares if you are slow or get lapped, sounds like you need to stop caring about what other people think so much and just relax and enjoy yourself. To go fast, first you must go slow !
Oh... and doing trackdays like yesterday really are not going to improve your confidence.
To get confidence stick to when its warm and dry. Rain and freezing temperatures are never much fun when doing a trackday. Even the fast group were bimbling around yesterday, it looked super slippy.
I think your expectations may be wrong. We all want to be quick on trackdays but there is always somebody faster! I don't know if I have ever been lapped on a trackday because I'm not paying that kind of attention to the other bikes - I am there to increase my skills, understanding, and speed in a relatively safe environment.
If you don't enjoy them then they are a waste of money. Don't fret about the R6 being 'too good' - very few people are better than their bikes and as long as you enjoy it then what is the problem?
If you do another TD, I'd recommend taking a 'I'll just try to be a little faster each lap" attitude rather than a "I want to be faster than most other people" one - ignore the speed of the others.
Geodude
08-11-10, 12:08 PM
All my bike riding friends call me the cart horse because of my slow riding and often leave me well behind and then moan about having to wait for me, but TBH i ride the way i ride and i enjoy every minute im on the bike end of.
N8te rider
08-11-10, 12:22 PM
great advice guys. I do love my r6 and everyday it makes me smile. I know it sounds daft but hadn't actually thought of ignoring everyone else. Don't ask me why but ive always been measuring my ability by watching others going faster than me. relaxing, thinking about my ride and not others sounds like a better way to do it.
Firstly, going fast does not equate to being good on a bike.
Twisting your wrist is not skill.
If the trackdays are not enjoyable dont do them, they are useful tools to some to build confidence and do things that they arent able to do on the road.
As most people who have ridden with me will tell you, Im slow, I always have been, you will always find me at the back of a pack, but I love riding in the pack watching better riders and learning from them. I know the frustration of wanting to be better though.
Go out on your own enjoy the bike, shake off the frustrations you have been having on the track and go out on the bike on some roads you know get your confidence up, then go for mini adventures.
N8te rider
08-11-10, 12:54 PM
Do you fear getting hurt, or do you fear binning your expensive pride and joy?
Dont worry about coming off while riding. I wear all the protective gear so feel safe enough. Trashing the bike would probably be a pain in the wallet, but not the end of world. After reading all the posts I guess Im using valuable concentration thinking about other riders instead of my ride, which now I think about it is a daft thing to do
Ah, sorry to hear you're not enjoying it Nate. Only thing I can say it just think positive and forget about the possibility of crashing/binning your bike. thinking along these lines won't increase your confidence. I really won't worry about other people; some people are just naturally a little more daring and willing to push it a bit harder to be quicker around the track, where as others will take time to increase speed.
You've done X amount of trackdays without crashing, so that is quite impressive in itself. Are you not enjoying them because you feel you aren't going quick enough or doing the R6 justice? If you are, just forget about it and just enjoy each corner as it comes. I for one barely notice how well other people are doing on track as I just do my own thing and focus on the next corner, and I definitely don't give any attention to what's behind me.
I thought you enjoyed Cadwell! Chin up.
N8te rider
08-11-10, 01:34 PM
I thought you enjoyed Cadwell! Chin up.
yeah, enjoyed 2nd day. Cant remember why. think i felt more relaxed as Id been the day before and knew the layout. was defo faster as I passed people who were passing me the day before. Upto now I have booked trackdays at different locations and not stuck to one to learn the track
Firstly, going fast does not equate to being good on a bike.
Twisting your wrist is not skill.
Twisting your wrist isn't being fast either. "Going fast" is not "being fast" :)
Bikes are fast, so anyone can "go fast". Someone that is fast is someone that is capable of riding the bike as fast as it can go all the time around a lap, which of course doesn't mean that they will do so, necessarily. These people are better on a bike, more skilled, than the people who are simply incapable of riding like that. They're also far safer riding at a pace which is the "limit" for a slower rider, because they're so far from their own limit. A MotoGP rider is never going to crash if you ask him to ride 3 seconds off his best laptime, on any bike, for 20 laps, but see how the typical trackday rider would do trying ride at the same pace.
It doesn't come down to bravery even, really. Just as with cars, the people that are slower are slower because they lack the control which gives them the confidence to go faster, and the knowledge that their machine is still capable of more.
Trackdays should be a personal enjoyment. You should be out there because you want to experience the track and your bike. It will end in tears if you pressure yourself, just accept that you are the rider you are, nobody will be able to flick a switch and turn you into Rossi, so ignore the others.
Visit different circuits. I know several riders who've done trackdays just because they want to experience the circuit, they're not interested in "the limit", they just want to ride the circuits they've been watching the racing on all these years.
metalangel
08-11-10, 02:04 PM
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I know how you guys feel, I'm not very fast, at the AR I was at the back of the pack for two of the five legs. I feel like bigchris does, and wonder why sometimes. Other times I just have a whale of a time on the way into work and wonder why I'd want to give it up.
Ride for yourself, so you enjoy it. If that means no more trackdays, fine. If that means not bothering with rideouts because of embarassment, also fine. You will probably be happier looking back on 50 plus years of slow but steady riding as opposed to 18 months ending with 130mph into a tree.
You could try Silverstone this weekend...its pretty much completely different to other tracks as its flat and very wide.
-Ralph-
08-11-10, 02:24 PM
You don't need to be riding at the limit to have fun, you need to relax to have fun. It's not about speed, it's about you feeling like your riding well. Relaxed, confident, flowing riding feels good, but that doesn't have to be fast. If you feel that way then speed will come on it's own with practice.
How do you feel when you ride on the road? Is it just a physiological barrier that hits you when you get on a track, or do you sometimes feel like that with your road riding too?
Mr Speirs
08-11-10, 02:27 PM
Im using valuable concentration thinking about other riders instead of my ride, which now I think about it is a daft thing to do
I think you have nailed down the reason why you aren't enjoying it.
You shouldn't be thinking about anybody else at all unless you are going for an overtake.
Don't watch other people and start asking yourself why aren't you that quick or more importantly why am I so slow!! There will be people faster than you and it's best to admire their ability than envy it.
The track is yours...there other people on it but it is yours, hopefully anybody that is faster than you will overtake you without you without affecting your riding. If you are worried that you are holding people up through a corner, then don't be...if they are that much quicker than you then they will take you on the outside rather than sit behind you grumbling.
I think as you say a lack in self condfidence is putting imaginary voices of the other riders in your head. If you can let go of that I think you'll start enjoying it.
N8te rider
08-11-10, 02:41 PM
How do you feel when you ride on the road? Is it just a physiological barrier that hits you when you get on a track, or do you sometimes feel like that with your road riding too?
Feel fine on the road. Riding in groups is also great fun. TD feels different. I realise in my head ive got the wrong idea about it.
Some great advice from you all and Im very grateful
Feel fine on the road. Riding in groups is also great fun. TD feels different. I realise in my head ive got the wrong idea about it.
Some great advice from you all and Im very grateful
You need a cheap rat bike, and your memory wiped before going out.
I never think about anything other than my own riding, Binky has lapped me twice before, and then made a point of pointing it out... I hadn't even noticed, but I had a good day :smt039 oblivious to the world me.
Why don't you save your money up and get a trackday bike. Thats what im planning :D and it shouldnt set you back too much either. I'm not after an R1 or anything, i've been told by a few part time racers that 1000s are wasted on most British tracks, youre much better on a 600, K4/5 GSXR750 or alike.
Im thinking even smaller or an ex minitwin bike, something that wont put too much pressure on me to perform :rolleyes: or put a bullseye on my back. But you can really give it some stick and mix it up with the big boys :mrgreen:
Oh and always take your mirrors off or fold them in, I made that mistake 1st time I stepped upto the inters and was too busy looking to see if I was holding anyone up to concentrate on the entry to the next corner
N8te rider
08-11-10, 03:19 PM
Track bike? Maybe one day
N8te rider
08-11-10, 03:20 PM
One of the greatest feelings on earth (even better than a sky dive) was passing my bike test. Fighting self doubt and what others might say if I failed caused me to fail 3 times, by the 4th I didn't care anymore and decided it takes as long as it takes so just relax and fail with a smile, then I passed. Since then I've tried not to give up on things, the feeling you get when you succeed is amazing. getting through the mental barrier is a tough one though
bigchris
08-11-10, 03:38 PM
One of the greatest feelings on earth (even better than a sky dive) was passing my bike test. Fighting self doubt and what others might say if I failed caused me to fail 3 times, by the 4th I didn't care anymore and decided it takes as long as it takes so just relax and fail with a smile, then I passed. Since then I've tried not to give up on things, the feeling you get when you succeed is amazing. getting through the mental barrier is a tough one though
It took me three attempts, i still feel crap about it. :-/
Got there in the end though!! :-)
yorkie_chris
08-11-10, 04:28 PM
So will going faster and trashing your bike make it more enjoyable?
Yes, yes it will.
:smt028
Look, stop being a fanny with the confidence issues, the track is no place for social workers and other yoghurt knitting types. Learn to ride the bloody bike ;)
I'd say an old SV with some minor suspension mods is a better track tool to learn on than your shiny R6, you won't care too much about falling off as they're much much cheaper to bodge back together with cable ties and black nasty. Or even an older carbed 600.
Then read a twist of the wrist, repeatedly... then it's just a case of applying it and slowly pushing one boundary at a time... but from reading, if you're overtaking people* then you probably aren't even that slow to need to worry about it.
*Another reason I think SV's are great on track... if you're passing people you must be doing alright as there's no way you're passing much on the straights!
davepreston
08-11-10, 04:53 PM
as is well documented on here im a cack rider, ive done 2 trackdays and binned it once (at over a ton) and tbh the best day i had was at the 3 sisters track, its a cart track so its small and you dont get to a million mph ,there are only 4 people allowed on track at once, you get 7 laps for a tenner, and it teaches you bike control not balls out speed, try there and i think your mind set would be different
yc has also done this track (would you agree with this yc) and he is fast but enjoyed it, im slow and loved it,
aslo when i went to lemming (and binned it ) i took 15 secs off my lap time when berlin told me how to take 1 corner properly, i mention this to suggest doing a small track with a knowledgeable orger who wont "abandon you" and you will learn a shed load ,i did
to recap in context
4 people on track at a time so less worry about others
7 laps at a time so no tiredness
smaller track so less speed more tecneque (sp)
£10 a go cheap as chips
have your designated orger watch your lap and give advice which will help
and its after every 7 laps so it constant bit by bit advice
hth
dave
-Ralph-
08-11-10, 05:03 PM
Don't see track days on the Three Sisters website DP. Is this £10 a go a regular thing or something you arranged for a group?
davepreston
08-11-10, 05:10 PM
its a regular thing every month i belive, i think the cash goes to charity as well, im sure irksy or similiar will put up full details shortly, its well worth it
-Ralph-
08-11-10, 05:23 PM
its a regular thing every month i belive, i think the cash goes to charity as well, im sure irksy or similiar will put up full details shortly, its well worth it
Hmm, worth a ride over one weekend in the spring. Will be a good outing once I've got a new bike.
I was under the impression that banging your head against a wall was good fun; many of my friends did it and when they'd done it once, went back and did it again.
I had a go at it ... and found that it hurt. I didn't like it, but thought it was me being daft and missing the point, so I went back and did it again. When this still hurt a lot I asked some other friends why they did it and kept on going back for more. One or two of them had valid points to make and clearly had something other than pain from the experience. Some, I have to admit , seemed to get pleasure from the experience. However someone I asked also said to me, if it hurts and you don't like it, why do you do it? I couldn't answer that question.
Sorry to sound blunt, but that's how track days seem to me. Someone asked me just the other night why I didn't do more and I had to confess that I didn't enjoy them at all. I did enjoy learning more about my bike, and how good it was and how far it would lean into a corner etc etc (which are good things to learn and which I've applied to my road riding). However I still don't want to do another track day. It scares me. I don't want to get hurt. I don't want to damage my bike. I don't like being spooked by people blasting up on the inside or outside of me that I'm not expecting because I don't have any mirrors. I don't think I'm particularly slow but I really don't like being a part of anyone's ego boosting willy waving game.
There are enough things in life we HAVE to do - as someone on here once said, the rest is just gravy. It should enhance life, not be a pain.
if its depressing then dont do it... simples...
its not going to make you a better rider, its just going to make your wallet lighter.
yorkie_chris
08-11-10, 05:44 PM
its not going to make you a better rider
I disagree.
Specialone
08-11-10, 05:46 PM
Well dude, ive just read all the the posts in this thread and i it is very similar to a thread i started a few months back.
I felt i had reached a plateau and wasnt improving so i sought the orgs help.
I have done one trackday and i felt exactly the same at first, i was worried about being too slow, holding people up, binning my new bike etc etc.
Went to briefing and then find out the inters were gonna be split into our novice group and the fast group, so we had fast guys on track bikes in our 'novice group'.
I found it very intimidating at first, the knobs were buzzing me on both sides, so i was panicking i was gonna run into them as i set myself up for corners.
After a while i thought fook this and started just worrying about my lines and i enjoyed it a lot more, i even over took a guy on a track bike who'd been holding me up for 2-3 laps.
Im never gonna be a really quick rider, i dont think ive got it in me anymore, i just wanna be a mid pack, smooth safe rider, so thats where im aiming.
Im not a quick rider on the road either whereas you say youre ok on the road, so you have more than me and a few others.
I fully understand what youre saying as its a way a lot of riders feel, especially inexperienced ones.
But one thing that helped me on the track was knowing there wasnt a car coming round the corner, there wasnt a big pile of farmers crap or gravel on the road, which im still paranoid about, so in that respect, ill be doing more trackdays, but not going hell for leather, just trying to improve with every lap and not crash.
Specialone
08-11-10, 05:48 PM
I disagree.
I agree, one thing i learnt on my one and only track day was i could out brake people if i wanted as i realised how far i could push the brakes, way more than i had on the road.
I disagree.
you would :rolleyes:
I agree, one thing i learnt on my one and only track day was i could out brake people if i wanted as i realised how far i could push the brakes, way more than i had on the road.
yes on a track with wide open bends and no white lines with no buses and lorries to take into consideration.
Biker Biggles
08-11-10, 05:56 PM
I agree, one thing i learnt on my one and only track day was i could out brake people if i wanted as i realised how far i could push the brakes, way more than i had on the road.
My last TD at Rock taught me that the brakes on the old curvy were actually sh&gged out and I hadnt noticed riding it around the smoke every day.:rolleyes:
As long as you ride at your own level you can learn useful stuff safely on track.and it shows you any problems with the bike as well.
Start getting competitive and it can get dangerous,just like on the road really.
At the end of the day Nate, only you can choose what to do! :)
N8te rider
08-11-10, 06:27 PM
At the end of the day Nate, only you can choose what to do! :)
Yep. lots to think about mate. might try again at some point, but with the intention of enjoying the track and not comparing myself with faster riders
Stonesie
08-11-10, 07:08 PM
See if you can get yourself on a novice track day, It's the best thing I have done in the car. I got on one at Cadwell (BMW Car Club) and in the first session I was getting passed by just about everything... After a break and a chat with a few other more experienced drivers I did much better, when I got a slot with an instructor AND RELAXED!! it all came together and I was really flying (all 4 wheels off the deck at the top of the mountain... so I'm told, heard the engine blip so i know the back came up).
I cant wait to do one on the bike next year, how does it work with instruction on a bike? 1 way radio like on CBT/mod1/mod2 training?
yorkie_chris
08-11-10, 07:36 PM
yes on a track with wide open bends and no white lines with no buses and lorries to take into consideration.
You've got to see that realising you can do that could save your life when there is a situation to avoid?
yorkie_chris
08-11-10, 07:37 PM
I cant wait to do one on the bike next year, how does it work with instruction on a bike? 1 way radio like on CBT/mod1/mod2 training?
Pointing a lot and giving pointers in between sessions mostly
Was it something I did? First time I meet an org-er at a track day and they want to pack it in for good!!
I can understand you not wanting to bin your R6, that is one nice bike you have there. I was in 2 minds about talking my bike on the track and it's worth a third of what yours is.
I think you overtook me a couple of times and I have a more powerful bike! Altghough I did leave you behind on the last session :p.There were many slow people out yesterday, I would say you were far from the slowest in our group but as has been said before in this thread a track day isn't a race. You are not being paid by a works team to win races you are just going out for a ride on a safe, unrestricrted bit of road so have fun.
If you don't enjoy it save your money and spend it on something you do enjoy.
Still spaces on Silverstone this Sunday! ;)
Tim in Belgium
08-11-10, 08:29 PM
N8te, another thing to give a go is just look to improve or concentrate on one or two things each lap, be it the apex point for one corner, and a braking point for another, don't worry about 'being fast" just try and improve one aspect, you'll know when you start getting it right and then can go and concentrate on something elsewhere round the track, once you get in a flow you'll soon be off.
I think trying to just "go fast" is hard, if you start thinking like that you end up just pushing yourself into a place near your limits where you start making mistakes, these mistakes slow you down and you get frustrated. If you find yourself like this after a session go out in the next one with an aim to be smooth not fast, be it less gear changes, longer (earlier) braking zones or just calmer riding, this will free you up to think again and you soon be back up to speed without realising it.
Some of my quickest laps have felt like my slowest and the hectic feeling ones were slow. Weird I find, but I love it when time slows down.
N8te rider
08-11-10, 08:58 PM
N8te, another thing to give a go is just look to improve or concentrate on one or two things each lap
Good tips. The only instruction Ive had is from Ron haslam School, which was pants. I kept asking my instructor how to improve, every time his answer was "er, yeah like, keep it up and carry on init like, just practice" :confused:
Didn't learn much there so I thought just go faster. Taking one corner at a time might help though. Should have posted questions on track riding ages ago. My track thinking has been totally backward. Keep it coming guys, all good stuff
N8te rider
08-11-10, 09:03 PM
Was it something I did? First time I meet an org-er at a track day and they want to pack it in for good!!
No way mate, not your fault. was well chuffed that you had a great day and was cool to meet another orger. Don't wish unhappy trackdays on anyone. Tis a great place to be and I love being trackside, smell, noise, buzz, just my head/riding I need to sort out
UKPrincess
08-11-10, 09:23 PM
Hi Nate
Ever thought of doing your advanced test on the road, ROSPA, IAM, BMF
http://www.roada.org.uk/riders/index.htm
http://www.iam.org.uk/do_you_want_to_be_a_better_rider_/doyouwanttobeabetterrider.html
Getting good on the road can transfer to the track
Getting Fast on a track gets you knicked on the road
thing to remember on the track Slow creates smoothness, smoothnes creates fast
Joanne
N8te rider
08-11-10, 10:00 PM
Hi Nate
Ever thought of doing your advanced test on the road, ROSPA, IAM, BMF
Did IAM last year, got lazy and missed a few months though. This year I did advanced test with DSA and passed :-) lowered my insurance a bit too
davepreston
08-11-10, 11:50 PM
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129160641524861971.jpg
lukemillar
10-11-10, 02:34 AM
I'd recommend California Superbike School. It is exensive (especially in the UK) but everytime I have suffered a crisis of confidence on the track (usually after binning it) signing up for a school day usually gives me the boost I need.
One of the best things about the school is you won't feel intimidated by any other rider as they structure it in a way that means people don't go hell for leather. They also teach you what rider inputs makes the bike happy in a corner and what is likely to make it unstable and crash. You could hoon round half a dozen trackdays and still not understand the process of cornering. I'd save your TD pennies and do the school instead; you really won't regret it. :)
One thing I will add- Track days aren't for everyone. People go on about how great they are, but at the end of the day, we all all different types of bikers and what might do it for one may not for another.
That aside, 99% of what they teach you at CSS applies to cornering; not the racetrack so everything is as applicable on the road as it is on the track.
I'll be twiddling my thumbs next year looking for track days to do, need to dust off the race bike cobwebs after the winter and have some fun. More than happy to join others on track and help out if I can.
-Ralph-
10-11-10, 09:03 AM
I'd recommend California Superbike School. It is exensive (especially in the UK) but everytime I have suffered a crisis of confidence on the track (usually after binning it) signing up for a school day usually gives me the boost I need.
The only instruction Ive had is from Ron haslam School, which was pants. I kept asking my instructor how to improve, every time his answer was "er, yeah like, keep it up and carry on init like, just practice" :confused:
Sounds like he's already tried a school day and had a bad experience, but I've never heard anyone do anything but rave about this type of training, so it probably was just a one off. It all depends on who is instructing you on the day I suppose.
I'd be tempted by a race school myself. Is there any difference between Ron Haslam and CSS?
N8te rider
10-11-10, 10:41 AM
RE last few posts, sounds cool. was checking CSS out recently and looks like what I need. Haslam school is a half day learn nothing money maker (i sent him a email to complain). Will be booking CSS for sure, but no courses till next April. I totally agree with the cornering concept, as thats where I have no clue what to do. Shame weather is getting cold now, 5 months to wait :-(
Specialone
10-11-10, 01:46 PM
As i have said on many threads, my cornering is crap, i have been contemplating CSS as i have watched the twist of the wrist dvd many times and i like the way the results of your actions are explained so for me anyhow, it helps get my head round it, i need to know the theories behind something rather than 'do it like that' end of.
It is something i would like to do as i think anything that helps you calm, focused and more prepared on the road has to got to be safer and more enjoyable long term.
N8te rider
10-11-10, 03:11 PM
Mrs just showed me a pic of me on track lol!!! My knee was pointing straight out towards the horizon and my head looking at the floor. I don't think that's good
Mrs just showed me a pic of me on track lol!!! My knee was pointing straight out towards the horizon and my head looking at the floor. I don't think that's good
You're almost Rossi like!
http://www.timeslive.co.za/multimedia/dynamic/01284/09-11-2010-15-11-0_1284456b.jpg
Speed isn't everything so long as you enjoy it. Do some CSS to improve but don't kill yourself trying to keep up with others. There'll always be someone faster.
Was that taken Sunday?
If so let's have a butchers
UKPrincess
10-11-10, 07:10 PM
I'll be twiddling my thumbs next year looking for track days to do, need to dust off the race bike cobwebs after the winter and have some fun. More than happy to join others on track and help out if I can.
I could do with all the help i can get, let us know where you going and if its ok with you i will tag along, any tips will be good
Joanne
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