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fizzwheel

11-11-10, 10:23 PM

Because it might just bite you in the bum...

thread one...

http://www.gixerjunkies.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96270

thread two...

http://www.gixerjunkies.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96767

I have some sympathy for them, but if you ride like a pratt, include your number plate in the video and then upload it onto youtube, you're kinda asking for it really arent you...

I'm sure nobody would, but dont join up gixerjunkies just to put the boot in.

CheGuevara

11-11-10, 10:26 PM

Need to log in - can you post the summarised version?

andrewsmith

11-11-10, 10:27 PM

anychance of linking the vid fizz so i don't have the temptation :p

fizzwheel

11-11-10, 10:31 PM

basically, chap in thread one had his house raided, police confiscated his laptop, pc, bike leathers etc. He's being prosecuted for a multitude of traffic offenses based on videos uploaded to youtube and gixerjunkies, all of which it would seem were found on his PC.

chap in thread two was out riding with chap in thread one, police found a video on chap in thread ones video collection showing chap in thread two's number plate. Police have raided his house as well and confiscated his pc etc etc etc and also his bike...

dont know what the chap in 2nd thread is being confiscated for though...

seems like police are maybe trawling internet forums / youtube looking for dodgy riding etc etc, I know there's a few people on here who video their rides, just a timely warning that perhaps it not wise to upload them at the moment...

I cant link to the vid's as they've been pulled from gixerjunkies / youtube. Not sure what they have done, but would image its pretty bad or just repeated tom foolery to get a reaction like that from the police.

andrewsmith

11-11-10, 10:34 PM

I think your right Fizz. They do seem to be getting heavy handed with bikers.
There been the report of 5 guys being charged for death by dangerous driving for an accident they wern't involved in

Holdup

11-11-10, 10:35 PM

http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=207845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=3fb065dafa25fafea01f7c93c5ba143f

DarrenSV650S linked me to that earlier

Strong message though

christopher

11-11-10, 10:35 PM

There's a thread on Bike Chat Forums (http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=207845) about it (don't need to login) if you don't want to register at GixerJunkies to get the gist of it.

yorkie_chris

11-11-10, 10:36 PM

Must not have been any real criminals around that day eh ;)

Still wonder what he did (or poor advice taken) that he pleaded guilty to dangerous driving?

nik_nunez

11-11-10, 10:39 PM

thats a bit crazy, but some of the vids he did post where not the smartest things to put on the net and a forum, think at one point he had about 5 vids in the video seciton doing 100 mph wheelies down the motorways etc, and crazy riding up the cat and fiddle.

dizzyblonde

11-11-10, 10:40 PM

One of the top stories one night on local news a week or so back was, five riders all getting raided, because of ' group road traffic' offense.

metalmonkey

11-11-10, 10:47 PM

Don't worry folks when your bike gets stolen by scum, they will just get a slap on wrist so they can go back out there and carry on...

But by the sounds of it, it was just matter of time before he got caught or worse.

Another example of what not to do...

Tory councillor arrested over Twitter stoning post

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-11736154

punyXpress

11-11-10, 11:08 PM

That's why I dont overtake peeps with vids on rideouts - or anyone else for that matter
Your resident wuss
puny ;)

beabert

11-11-10, 11:34 PM

should of used a VPN

Bluepete

11-11-10, 11:52 PM

I can honestly say that I have never heard of anyone in GMP "trolling" the internet for videos in order to launch a prosecution.

However,

If someone made a complaint to the Police that Bob the Biker with the username Iama knobwithacamera on YouTube has been flouting road traffic laws, we are duty bound to investigate.

And realistically, if someone is pulling ton-up wheelies on motorways, do we really want to share the road space with them? Roads Police are there to...well, you can figure it out.

Pete ;)

toxic

12-11-10, 12:58 AM

Don't do the crime, if you don't wear a watch.

davepreston

12-11-10, 06:48 AM

Roads Police are there to...well, you can figure it out.
Pete ;)
worms can opened lol
so people you know what to do

Roads Police are there to (insert answer here)

let the fun begin

AndyBrad

12-11-10, 08:53 AM

garynortheast

12-11-10, 09:25 AM

Doesn't take much figuring really does it? Ride like a d1ck, video it and put it up for the world to see and you'll get nicked. Quite right too.

I was nearly taken out by several people riding like that on a busy Cat and Fiddle last year. Take their keys away and squash the bikes.

SoulKiss

12-11-10, 09:25 AM

worms can opened lol
so people you know what to do

Roads Police are there to (insert answer here)

let the fun begin

Actually, probably better to insert answer here (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=2419211).

Owenski

12-11-10, 09:29 AM

Not the first time the punsish the group thing has been mentioned.
Wasnt that long ago I read a post about 1 bike been caught 100+ and the remaining bikers all recvived a knock at the door and the same charges. Its not a new concept and its defo not unjustified, if they're all riding dangerously, then they're all riding dangerously full stop. They "should" expect to get charged if caught.
Onlyist thing I'd say is I'd hope fellow organs would have the forethought to say "my first time meeting this group of riders your honur, I know no names and no address's"

TBH thats the sickener about those whole threads is that he's been grassed up, someone from a forum fancied taking him down now he's lost plenty, and this other bloke risks losing everything. But alas, they brought it on themselves by commiting the acts in the first place. (I genuinely dont know which side of the fence I sit on regarding this).

fizzwheel

12-11-10, 09:31 AM

scary stuff at the moment. Im personally worried about these folks that have been done for riding in a group. I am aware that one of their frends was killed. Does that make you guilty by accociation to anything anyone does in agroup?

I think theres more to it with that particular case.

I read something else about that that I think might also to be to do with, the fact that they were videoing their ride and the police stopped them at the accident site and reviewed the videos and the things that they are being prosecuted for werent to do with the accident, but were to do with what they were doing when being video'd...

I think I might have mis-understood the whole thing though.

Daimo

12-11-10, 09:41 AM

Interesting post this.

The only "spirited" riding i've posted videos of online are of my whilst im abroad. What would happen with those as none of its on UK soil?

gruntygiggles

12-11-10, 09:47 AM

Must not have been any real criminals around that day eh ;)

Still wonder what he did (or poor advice taken) that he pleaded guilty to dangerous driving?

Ah, but you may well be calling him a "real criminal" if he pulled a wheelie past a loved one at stupid speed, lost control, causing massive accident and loved ones injury or worse...demise.

It's like drink drivers...dangerous driving is dangerous driving. End of. If you get behind the wheel after having too much to drink, you are effectively a moving lethal weapon. If you drive sober but in a dangerous manner, you are still a moving lethal weapon.

On a bike, you may be less likely to cause as much damage to others through your own poor actions, but it can and does still happen, so to me, riding in a dangerous manner does make you a real criminal.

gruntygiggles

12-11-10, 09:48 AM

Interesting post this.

The only "spirited" riding i've posted videos of online are of my whilst im abroad. What would happen with those as none of its on UK soil?

Doubt they'd even bother watching once they realised...too much paperwork added to the already too much paperwork police have to deal with.

Daimo

12-11-10, 11:12 AM

My bikes to classy for the police anyway. They would just wibble at the knees of the soundtrack.

*hopes* :lol:

anna

12-11-10, 11:22 AM

To be honest, it isn´t just videos that you have to be careful of. Many a time I have seen bragging on forums about speeds. Do you really think by inserting *cough* or ** before a number you are actually being discrete about what has been written.

Once something is written it can be printed and used in evidence against you, simple.

I think though as Fizz and others have said there is more to this particular story then we know about. It would be nice not to turn this into a "havent the police got anything better to do" thread as clearly they were acting against a unlawful act.

Daimo

12-11-10, 11:25 AM

Thats rubbish imo.

So if I type.

Last night, I killed a person, I stabbed them in the eye with a peice of paper and now the police are after me.

Thatrs going to get me in trouble if someone ironically got stabbed in the face last night? No, it won't, its a lie, and if your actually a web user you'll see that most of the people on the internet lie quite often. Its a pet hate of mine, I call them billy Bullsh1tters. Youtube is full of them. Like a Morrocan man who tried to feed me a load of BS about owning a road going NSR500 and calling me all sorts of names. I know there were no road going ones made, but he tried calling me names etc.. I knew he was lying, I put him in his place, he's not replied again. the interwebz is full of this BillyBS so you can't use whats typed really imo. Only if you can PROVE that somoene has done both things? I.E Said they have sped, AND have video of them doing it.

If I write I done 160mph on my bike last night, does that mean its true? Of course it doesn't, its just text. If I had a video I posted online AS well, then something MAY be able to be used.

hindle8907

12-11-10, 11:28 AM

For me next trick, i'll become Iron Man, and Batman all rolled into one.

Pics please.

anna

12-11-10, 11:29 AM

Thats rubbish imo.

So if I type.

Last night, I killed a person, I stabbed them in the eye with a peice of paper and now the police are after me.

Thatrs going to get me in trouble if someone ironically got stabbed in the face last night? No, it won't, its a lie, and if your actually a web user you'll see that most of the people on the internet lie quite often.

If I write I done 160mph on my bike last night, does that mean its true? Of course it doesn't, its just text.

For me next trick, i'll become Iron Man, and Batman all rolled into one.

I said it can be used in evidence against you, as in if you are already caught or have a case against you that isnt so air tight, what you write on the internet can be brought against you to back up the case. So something that might have been a minor offence or a slap on the wrists then has to be investigated.

Obviously people lie on the internet. People also can shoot themseleves in the foot too.

Paul the 6th

12-11-10, 11:40 AM

I said it can be used in evidence against you, as in if you are already caught or have a case against you that isnt so air tight, what you write on the internet can be brought against you to back up the case. So something that might have been a minor offence or a slap on the wrists then has to be investigated.

Obviously people lie on the internet. People also can shoot themseleves in the foot too.

I actually asked pete about this a few weeks ago when my mind was wandering... If you posted "I was crusing at 90mph on the motorway" this on it's own is not really enough to get you in trouble.

But, like pete mentioned earlier, if someone puts in a complaint about you or police go through your videos after you've been pulled on a rideout, and you eventually find yourself standing in court for what you've done, any comments like the above could be used as 'evidence of bad character' (thanks again BP) to reinforce the prosecutions case.

There's was a guy on PistonHeads who posted his diary of being in prison after being convicted of dangerous driving (or some similar charge - he caused a massive smash where several people were left with serious life long injuries). Apparently in his case they used a selection of posts from pistonheads to show he was a bit of a nobber when it came to driving.

Quite scary reading his experience of going to prison, especially when it's from the perspective of a person who wasn't actively looking to rob, steal, rape, murder or generally hurt anyone, but because of his actions behind the wheel, he got locked up for 3 years.

Daimo

12-11-10, 11:52 AM

I remember that actually. Few years ago now wasn't it?

Biker Biggles

12-11-10, 12:07 PM

Was that the bloke who did a blog of his time inside?
If so I remember thinking what awast of public money sending him to prison was.
I dont quite buy the "if a complaint is made things have to happen" arguement rither.I know there are policies and proceedures(endless ones no doubt)but how often do reports of crimes just get shelved as a crime number and NFA?Why do they choose to persue some of these cases where essentially nothing has happened?

yorkie_chris

12-11-10, 01:12 PM

Ah, but you may well be calling him a "real criminal" if he pulled a wheelie past a loved one at stupid speed, lost control, causing massive accident and loved ones injury or worse...demise.

It's like drink drivers...dangerous driving is dangerous driving. End of. If you get behind the wheel after having too much to drink, you are effectively a moving lethal weapon. If you drive sober but in a dangerous manner, you are still a moving lethal weapon.

On a bike, you may be less likely to cause as much damage to others through your own poor actions, but it can and does still happen, so to me, riding in a dangerous manner does make you a real criminal.

Accidents happen, evil people hurt people on purpose... big difference IMO. Anyway we digress.

My point about DD is the defence "nah b*llocks that wasn't dangerous, I was in full control" is better than admitting dangerous driving. Same as speeding... same in any of these cases, people have a simple case of speeding against them and they make it 100x worse by making it easy by admitting DD. That ban and big fine then comes with time inside.

AndyBrad

12-11-10, 01:20 PM

Messie

12-11-10, 01:26 PM

Owenski

12-11-10, 01:28 PM

just because your in control doesnt mean it isnt dangerous driving.

fecking scary tho. take the AR your bound to get one knobber doing 120mph past some copper. Do we all get tarred with the same brush?

lol in fairness its not just AR, majority of the ride outs I've attended (not just org) has seen some participant doing licence loosing speed.
Guilty by assosication I assume, but to be safe dont stop at the scene if someone bins it and you can deny association.

Paul the 6th

12-11-10, 02:12 PM

lol in fairness its not just AR, majority of the ride outs I've attended (not just org) has seen some participant doing licence loosing speed.
Guilty by assosication I assume, but to be safe dont stop at the scene if someone bins it and you can deny association.

just don't tell them about that time we smoked a load of crack behind my tent at AR08 :smt028

gruntygiggles

12-11-10, 02:14 PM

Accidents happen, evil people hurt people on purpose... big difference IMO. Anyway we digress.

My point about DD is the defence "nah b*llocks that wasn't dangerous, I was in full control" is better than admitting dangerous driving. Same as speeding... same in any of these cases, people have a simple case of speeding against them and they make it 100x worse by making it easy by admitting DD. That ban and big fine then comes with time inside.

Yep...never black and white YC.

fizzwheel

13-11-10, 10:02 PM

Stay on topic please. Megathread is for chat / taking the mick.

Ta

Fizz

fastdruid

14-11-10, 01:03 AM

My point about DD is the defence "nah b*llocks that wasn't dangerous, I was in full control" is better than admitting dangerous driving. Same as speeding... same in any of these cases, people have a simple case of speeding against them and they make it 100x worse by making it easy by admitting DD. That ban and big fine then comes with time inside.

Too right, IMO a number of people have been stitched up[1] by the bad advice given when charged with DD. They make the mistake that because they were guilty of doing something (eg very high speed) that they are guilty of the offence of DD. Not true. Plus even then the police have to *prove* it.

For example I was charged with DWDCA for a 'wheelie', I *admitted* what I was being charged for but argued (successfully) that it wasn't DWDCA. Result, Not Guilty. :-)

I know of at least one other rider in the same boat, again he won but others have been advised to roll over ("oooh, you'll never win against the word of two officers" and "you admit the front wheel left the ground and you'll be found guilty"), thing is though that at least with DWDCA/speeding the 'worst' you're going to get is a big fine and points/ban. DD caries the possibility of jail time and for that reason alone taking the risk that an early guilty plea will reduce the sentence and you won't get jail time isn't worth it. Plead Not Guilty and your brief may get it 'dropped' to DWDCA/Speeding if you plead guilty.

In this case I think the guy was an idiot, firstly for boasting and putting up the vids and secondly for confessing and making the police case for them, I think they'll make an example of him and I think he's looking at jail time.

Druid

[1] Eg the pair caught on radar doing something like 150+. Guilty of speeding? Yes. Guilty of DD? Arguable.

Owenski

16-11-10, 01:17 PM

Specialone

16-11-10, 01:23 PM

Anyone read the article today about the bloke in Doncaster?

His flight was cancelled due to bad weather and he put on his facebook/twitter
"C***S! if they dont sort it out within a week Im blowing that airport sky high"

a week later officers entered his work and arrested him under the terror laws, its taken months to resolve and he's eventually been charged for something to do with prank calls beacuse there wasnt enough evidence to support his explosion claim. What a joke.

I heard about that last week, it got to court as well i think.

Paul the 6th

16-11-10, 01:33 PM

I heard about that when it happened around 2 months ago?!

Specialone

16-11-10, 01:35 PM

I heard about that when it happened around 2 months ago?!

Ok you win, ner ner nanna ner ner :)

Owenski

16-11-10, 01:40 PM

Amazing, but you havent read the article in todays paper then? so you dont know the charges so sit down and shhhhhh

Paul the 6th

16-11-10, 01:52 PM

I wasn't trying to point out that I heard it first, but it's a bit like when a friend of mine sent me a text message 6 months ago saying "I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you but apparently michael jackson has had a heart attack and died at his home. very sad news RIP"...

What the feck?

Owenski

16-11-10, 01:52 PM

lol how is that anything like the same?

Paul the 6th

16-11-10, 02:00 PM

never mind...

did anyone see that thing in the newspaper the other day? Apparently britney spears shaved all her hair off!

Owenski

16-11-10, 02:05 PM

deeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr! old news numb nuts.

Reeder

16-11-10, 02:27 PM

Better keep this on topic or fizz will come and delete all your posts!

tactcom7

16-11-10, 03:53 PM

Reeder, is that what happened to the other page of this thread the other day?

Reeder

16-11-10, 04:43 PM

Certainly appears so. I didn't realise we weren't allowed have jokes related to the original topic in a thread?

tactcom7

16-11-10, 05:04 PM

Apparently not, anyways never did see your reply cos I went to bed. So i'll say it again just in case, if I does bother you, I apologise.

yorkie_chris

16-11-10, 05:18 PM

Anyone read the article today about the bloke in Doncaster?

His flight was cancelled due to bad weather and he put on his facebook/twitter
"C***S! if they dont sort it out within a week Im blowing that airport sky high"

a week later officers entered his work and arrested him under the terror laws, its taken months to resolve and he's eventually been charged for something to do with prank calls beacuse there wasnt enough evidence to support his explosion claim. What a joke.

How retarded is that... like a serious terrorist would tweet about it...
It's like some BS I read somewhere about ANPR preventing terrorism... yeah like they're going to have private plates J1 HAD or something