Dzr 400

[kwak zzr]

thinking of getting one just for abit of fun :) anyone got one? what they like?

[Specialone]

Do you mean a DRZ daz?
If so, I have, theyre ace, end of :)

[kwak zzr]

ya thats the one :) the enduro kinda supa motard one? i fancy one of those :)

[Specialone]

I've got the S version which is the off road type.

It's pretty good on road as well :)

[kwak zzr]

think its gonna be the next purchase :)

[Specialone]

Heres mine...


http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx225/specialone0055/DSC_0187.jpg

[kwak zzr]

looks good :) plenty of fun :) that way i can leasve little gixer in the lounge :)

[Owenski]

your a mean nasty pasty.

u can be quiet too, ya smug drz owner you!

[kwak zzr]

eh?

[Specialone]

It's ok daz, young Matt wants a DRZ as well, but he's gotta stop chucking his sv down the road first ;)

[Owenski]

lol, been after one since about August but I've been unable to sell the SV.
Like you I couldnt decide on the SM or the Enduro version but eventually decided that my budget would dictate that once the SV is sold.
If you're thinking more of the SM version then you should also consider the CCM404 its the exact same engine but the rest of the bike is lighter and better spec'd

[kwak zzr]

get both :) me realy fancy's a DRZ now :) me thinks it will be more fun than little gixer :)

[Fizzy Fish]

I've got a DRZ SM and Gixxer 600 and they complement eachother beautifully.

The DRZ is great value, cheap to run and a really hoot, plus you can chuck it around the twisty bumpy back roads and you don't have to worry so much about gravel or pot holes, as it feels more composed than a twitchy sports bike. It also works well round town, and is my bike of choice in icy weather. It sounds particularly good with a yoshi can as well ;)

It will do greenlaning with a change of wheels (plus ideally a few other mods - see http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=159440), though is heavy compared to other purpose-built trail bikes like the KTMs.

Downsides:

It is pretty agricultural, has cheapo suspension and the braking is weak vs a lot of modern road bikes. Obviously it isn't really at home on motorway/dual carriageways, but it will do them if you need to, and can get 90mph+ at a push. You don't really want to regularly max a single out like that for long periods though. As with most similar bikes, the fuel tank is fairly small, but you can get several aftermarket plastic tanks to help with this.

Despite all of this I absolutely love mine and it has bags of character over other, supposedly better, road bikes that I've ridden.

I definitely echo Owenski's comments about the CCM as an alternative - Rictus had one for a while and would be well placed to advise on these.

BTW the DRZ has come up in several threads recently (incl as winter hacks, greenlaning tools, etc) so you may want to try a search to get some more info.

[Fizzy Fish]

PS. Owenski, are you even more jealous now? ;)

[Owenski]

Its seems like everyone is been sent to taunt me with regards to the DRZ, my time will come!

[Specialone]

FF, although not top notch like some off roaders, the DRZ suspension is still Showa and pretty good.
It's always done everything I have asked off it, it's took some abuse off road and never let me down.
It's only about 30kgs heavier than a dedicated off roader with similar power, you could lose that in a lighter rider compared to me.

I do wanna do the 3x3 air box mod and rejet to go with my new can, hopefully will get a few more horses.

I haven't ridden the sm version so not sure if the power and suspension is much different to mine, but I'm more than happy with my bike.

[Kirkybhoy]

used to ride these in a display team a few years back....jumped cars, bikes & other lunatics and the suspension coped well enough..great fun.:)

[Fizzy Fish]

FF, although not top notch like some off roaders, the DRZ suspension is still Showa and pretty good.
It's always done everything I have asked off it, it's took some abuse off road and never let me down.
It's only about 30kgs heavier than a dedicated off roader with similar power, you could lose that in a lighter rider compared to me.


It will do greenlaning and is fun, but is a compromise bike and isn't as good for that purpose as some of the other options. Having tried lighter bikes (250s/125s and a KTM 400) the weight really does make a difference. Probably easier to buy a lighter bike than to slim down by 30 Kgs! ;)

[Matts-Yokes]

Get a KTM 690 SMC, sorted engine, sorted WP suspension, Brembo radial brakes and is 100% better than anything down the twisties, plus you can pick them up for 4.5k on an 09 plate, my 2010-60 plate was only 4.9k with 300 miles on the clock

http://forums.sv650.org/[IMG]http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz346/coolncomfy/MattsKTM.jpg

[rictus01]

As Ness said I went for the 404DS. mainly for the weight as I was still getting to grips with the knee weakness.

in standard guise
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1979/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1567929_7046.jpg

after a bit of playing
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3110/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1777423_46847.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2719/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1741943_6921906.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2719/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1741940_7320901.jpg

although a great fun bike (imagine a bmx with an engine), it has some serious limitations as all these bikes do, it would be a pain as an only bike; but definitely a worthwhile experience to own and run.

Cheers Mark.

[Amplimator]

As Ness said I went for the 404DS. mainly for the weight as I was still getting to grips with the knee weakness.

in standard guise
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1979/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1567929_7046.jpg

after a bit of playing
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v3110/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1777423_46847.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2719/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1741943_6921906.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2719/67/122/621884134/n621884134_1741940_7320901.jpg

although a great fun bike (imagine a bmx with an engine), it has some serious limitations as all these bikes do, it would be a pain as an only bike; but definitely a worthwhile experience to own and run.

Cheers Mark.

:eek: Please tell me you have put that lovely CCM back to standard! ('cept the zorst of course) :p

I would defo rate one of those over a DRZ, a bit lighter with WP sussies with the added bonus of the reliability of the DRZ motor. Usually comes with both MX + SM wheels too. (hence the 'dual sport' name) ;)

I should be recommending a KTM here but i wont. Too many people own them as it is! :rolleyes:

[rictus01]

No I haven't, although it'd be easy to bolt them back on, however the standard headlight is stupidly small and the current one twice the size, the light bar is useful for night stuff as well, all a question of taste, I like the black & white, and being my bike is why it's on there.

FYI the engine isn't exactly the same as the DRZ, it's the 400E version and has a larger carb, not spo much for top end, but it does give a useful extra mid-range punch.

[Amplimator]

FYI the engine isn't exactly the same as the DRZ, it's the 400E version and has a larger carb, not spo much for top end, but it does give a useful extra mid-range punch.

I know all the differences between the two but they still have the same motor ;)

I can however agree on the lighting being 'functional' rather than cosmetic. Most MX orientated bikes have the lighting of a candle for some reason, prolly to save weight. I dont ride at night anyways coz im scared of the dark :p

[rictus01]

you could also say the same for a hornet/CBR or Fazer/R6, same engine :smt102, but not EXACTLY the same, and a whole different feel....;)

[-Ralph-]

They're OK s'pose. Bit outclassed by the XT600E tho' tbh ;-)

[speedplay]

They're OK s'pose. Bit outclassed by the XT600E tho' tbh but still not as good as a KTM ;-)

true.

[rictus01]

They're OK s'pose. Bit outclassed by the XT600E tho' tbh ;-)

well I suppose the extra 50kg stops it getting blown over :smt102.........:smt082

[-Ralph-]

well I suppose the extra 50kg stops it getting blown over :smt102.........:smt082

:rolleyes: More like 20 kilos, but mine's on a diet.

[rictus01]

53 hp/ 119kg v 45hp/ 156kg.

[speedplay]

:rolleyes: More like 20 kilos, but mine's on a diet.

53 hp/ 119kg v 45hp/ 156kg.


Maybe Ralphs cut his leg off to help with the weight loss...:rolleyes:

[-Ralph-]

I do believe its the UK DRZ400S we are talking about here? Which would put the two 23 kg apart, and give the XT a small power advantage?

http://www.powerseeker.co.uk/bikeinsurance_Suzuki_DR-Z400S_65.php

[speedplay]

Which would put the two 23 kg apart, and give the XT a small power advantage?



I'd hope so given that the XT is 260cc bigger..

[rictus01]

actually the 400S isn't as highly tuned as the 400E engine and the CCM rolling chassis is far lighter.

[-Ralph-]

XT600E

I'd hope so given that the XT is 260cc bigger..

You weren't very good at maths at school were you. If you have 6 apples, and you take away 4 apples, how many are left?

Air cooled thumper with globe crossing reliability anyway. Don't wanna stress it chasing horsepower! Just give me the extra 20 ftlb of torque.

;)

[speedplay]

You weren't very good at maths at school were you. If you have 6 apples, and you take away 4 apples, how many are left?

Air cooled thumper with globe crossing reliability anyway. Don't wanna stress it chasing horsepower!

;)


Really sorry, I misread you and didnt realise that you had gone for the girls 600 version instead of the full manly 660cc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_XT660R) version...:rolleyes:

[-Ralph-]

He, he, Phil's on the Currently Active Users list....

[-Ralph-]

manly 660cc version

You mean the one that's crap off road?

[speedplay]

You mean the one that's crap off road?


Wouldnt know, I've got 2 large engined KTM what the hell would I want a soft roader for?!:confused:
















;)

[-Ralph-]

Wouldnt know, I've got 2 large engined KTM what the hell would I want a soft roader for?!:confused:

So you can ride the damn thing and don't have to stick it on a trailer!

[speedplay]

So you can ride the damn thing and don't have to stick it on a trailer!


I still have never had a trailer...:rolleyes:

bored now.

[-Ralph-]

BTW, one of your KTM's is a soft roader! ;-)

[-Ralph-]

Come on Phil, bl00dy write something will you?

[speedplay]

Stuff

More stuff


And back on topic....

If your looking for a fun little bike to either supermoto or greenlane (both if you have the wheels) with spares quite cheap and easily available then I dont think you could go too far wrong with the DRZ to be honest.
shame you werent looking earlier as one went really cheap from the midlands superbikes closure.

[-Ralph-]

:lol:

[Specialone]

Bolox, the drz rocks, end of.
Col, empty your inbox :rolleyes:

[rob13]

Always tempted by a DRZ, but I've been barking on about one for about 5 years now. Funds always get spent elsewhere and I do wonder if I could justify having 2 bikes in the garage.

I'm sure they could be a great commuting tool and cheaper to run than a lot of other bikes.

[-Ralph-]

I'm sure they could be a great commuting tool.

That depends on how hard your *rse is vs how long your journey is.

[Specialone]

Most ive done in one go without stopping is about 80 miles, but god my ass knew about it.
I picked up some padded MX shorts at the dirt bike show so im hoping they will help a bit.
Read on thumper talk that someone in the states had a suzuki gel seat for his, so they must produce them, maybe a possible in the future.

[Owenski]

I've seen the gel covers but not the full seats. Not that I've been looking cos I dont have one :(

[Stu]

It's only about 30kgs heavier than a dedicated off roader with similar power, you could lose that in a lighter rider compared to me..
Completely missing the point of a light off roader ... that you'll be picking up a lot.

[Specialone]

Completely missing the point of a light off roader ... that you'll be picking up a lot.
So you couldnt pick up an extra 30 kilos in a rolling type of way :rolleyes:

I can pick my bike up a piece of pi55, my point was i weigh around 100 kgs, a rider on a 30 kgs lighter off roader with similar power just happens to weigh 70 kgs, we swap bikes for the day, shouldnt be much differnce should there?

[Luckypants]

Most ive done in one go without stopping is about 80 miles, but god my ass knew about it.

Isn't that about the range of the tank though? I always found my **** was complaining about the time it came to stop for fuel. Did a ride down to and around Elan Valley on back lanes on a DRZ, so all right for a full day riding, because fuel stops are fairly frequent.

[-Ralph-]

So you couldnt pick up an extra 30 kilos in a rolling type of way :rolleyes:

I can pick my bike up a piece of pi55, my point was i weigh around 100 kgs, a rider on a 30 kgs lighter off roader with similar power just happens to weigh 70 kgs, we swap bikes for the day, shouldnt be much differnce should there?

In fact your bike and rider combined centre of gravity will be higher, so if your a bit porky like you and I, you are sometimes better off with a heavier bike.

I also pick up my XT with no problems, obviously better to try not to drop it in the first place, as when it goes down it goes down hard. On the flip side of the coin however, muddy ruts and other obstacles that see other off road bikes being thrown off course, the XT just ploughs straight through. TLW says the same about his 990 Adventure.

I think the size and weight of Dakar bikes that have been run over the years, prove it's got bugger all to do with the bike and everything to do with how well the rider can handle it. An expert rider could get on my XT and take it anywhere.

[Specialone]

Isn't that about the range of the tank though? I always found my **** was complaining about the time it came to stop for fuel. Did a ride down to and around Elan Valley on back lanes on a DRZ, so all right for a full day riding, because fuel stops are fairly frequent.

Tank range for me varies between 80-100 miles, that was the reason i stopped tbh, reserve activated :)