Stopped paying fixed penalty notices

[Smudge]

I am so pleased that all my hard work and research into corporate deception paid off!
I received a fixed penalty notice for parking in a place which as been used by bikes since I can remember.
In fact it pee'd me off so much I thought this is my chance to exercise my rights.

I know that a Notice is an offer to discus their claims and I also know that ignoring the notice is the same as agreeing to it.
So I wrote this letter asking them to answer a few questions.

[ADDRESS]

[DATE]

Re: FIXED PENALTY NOTICE [number] - Issued [date]

Notice of Discharge of Outstanding Penalty Notice and Request for Clarification.

To [address]

You have apparently made allegations of criminal conduct against me.
You have apparently made demands upon me.
I do not understand those apparent demands and therefore cannot lawfully fulfil them.
I seek clarification of your document so that I may act according to the law and maintain my entire body of God given Natural Rights.
Failure to accept this offer to clarify and to do so completely and in good faith within 7 days will be deemed by all parties to mean you and your principal or other parties abandon all demands upon me.

I conditionally accept your offer to agree that I am NAME and that I owe £??.??, upon proof of claim of all of the following:

1. Upon proof of claim that I am a person and not a human being.
2. Upon proof of claim that you know what a ‘person’ actually is, legally speaking.
3. Upon proof of claim that you know what the difference between a ‘human being’ and a ‘person’ actually is, legally speaking.
4. Upon proof of claim that I am NAME and not Name
5. Upon proof of claim that the charge was the result of a lawful investigation unmarred by prejudice.
6. Upon proof of claim that I am a member of the society whose statutes and subsisting regulations you are enforcing.
7. Upon proof of claim that I showed you some sort of identification.
8 Upon proof of claim that there is a nameable society that I belong to and that the laws covered within this alleged transgression state that they apply to me within that named society

Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity
[Signature]

This is a basic template that I found on TPUC.org
and the response I received was this.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs790.ash1/168065_1546077207964_1116031197_31188998_7533186_n .jpg

It seems to be working!
Next step is to de-register my bike and claim the right to travel, thank god for the Barons and the Magna Carta.

Don't get me wrong I'm not doing this to bring about anarchy but to bring attention to the UK plc that I do not consent to their statutes nor do I stand under their jurisdiction.

[BanannaMan]

Next step is to de-register my bike and claim the right to travel, thank god for the Barons and the Magna Carta.






I'd be interested in knowing what the laws are on that one.
I'm fairly sure you'll find one that to be several steps up from a simple parking violation.
Can't do that in the US for sure.
Here they tell you, "Driving is not a right it's a privelige."
Thr roads are state owned property. If you wish to use them, you and your vehicle must conform to state laws.
Diving without a plate here is a biggie. Definately a steep fine, possible jail time and/or impounding of and possibly seizing your vehicle.
More than once, deffinately jail time.


Well done on getting out of the parking fine.

[Smudge]

There are no laws just legal statutes the only time a law comes into it is when someone is caused injury, harm or loss.

I know in Canada there is the same difference between legal and lawful as the UK but I don't know if the US has common law jurisdiction.
As a freeman on the land in the UK you have the right to travel by your own means, we have a growing number of people in the UK that are claiming common law jurisdiction.

In Halifax there is a freeman community where the members live together on a farm, they don't pay tax and all drive de-registered transport they did attract a lot of attention at first but after several failed prosecution attempts they have agreed to give there vehicles distinctive markings and they now get left alone.

I can see things will get ugly at some point but until the government understand that it is the people that run them and not the banks we need to play them at their own game, using their language.

[davepreston]

smudger your mental, but thats why i love you, i take my hat of to you sir for avoiding the fine i wish you the best in your future endevours, please keep me up to speed with this little crusade of your as i find it fasinating

[Stuuk1]

Smudge, was this a ticket from a parking warden from the council? Or from a private firm?

I am definitely going to copy and paste this and use it one day... Good work!!

[beabert]

Smudge, was this a ticket from a parking warden from the council? Or from a private firm?

I am definitely going to copy and paste this and use it one day... Good work!!

The private ones can be ignored, tested it myself.

[Harry_Mc]

well played :)

[AndyBrad]

hmm interesting one. i would imagine that you would get the if you dont use the system you can not benefit from it. that would include using the roads? surely its law that you have to have insurance? and law that you have to have road tax? if you dont you can not use the roads?

i dont know but would like to hear where your comming from?

[Specialone]

Well done that man.
I challenged a fine i received at a local football match, where the scrote waited until 8.01pm until the game kicked off to go on his fining rampage.
I was parked on the front of a disused factory building along with about 40-50 other cars, a place i had parked for years.

I was on the end as i got there late, i was the only one with a ticket.
So i challenged it, still havent replied back, this was 2008.

The local councils in brum now use ball bags to ride around on scooters, feck me it winds me up.
They are attracted to soft target areas but fail to control the real problem areas. just easy pickings.
Im sure if a lot of people challenged their fines, it would be amazing how many were issued wrongly.

I once got a ticket in a quiet side street for my back wheel touching a double yellow by about 1 inch :smt093

[The Guru]

The private ones can be ignored, tested it myself.

Me too. Under advice from an awesome Solicitor ;)

[Dave Mac]

love it, could i beg a favour, could you explain what the points mean, that way if i come to use the format i can understand it lol

(i know posting this is going to make me look stupid but rather that than lighter in the wallet)

[dizzyblonde]

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The local councils in brum now use ball bags to ride around on scooters, feck me it winds me up.
They are attracted to soft target areas but fail to control the real problem areas. just easy pickings.



They do this here in Smudgeland too. Pain in the arris. They started targetting where my parents live, as they have a lot of single lines. Thing is its very residential, and now you can expect for some ass to jump out from the ground and fine you for visiting your parents. The old traffice wardens used to kind of ignore you, as they knew who lived there etc....well the yellow lines have been there for twenty years or so, and my parents only got tickets for parking outside their own house when they first got put there, now they daren't incase someone on a scooter turns up.
Its funny because a local bobby was discussing this a few weeks back, and warned us that the 'contracted out' firm on scooters were very keen to apply tickets....nice fella!

[AndyBrad]

I am so pleased that all my hard work and It seems to be working!
Next step is to de-register my bike and claim the right to travel, thank god for the Barons and the Magna Carta.

Don't get me wrong I'm not doing this to bring about anarchy but to bring attention to the UK plc that I do not consent to their statutes nor do I stand under their jurisdiction.


really dont know how you could do this. i get the im not a number thing. but once you de register everything how do you travel? get insurance and live?

[yorkie_chris]

Is it possible that rather than accepting your points as correct they have instead simply realised it would be more of an expensive pain in the 'arris to pursue the fine than it was worth?

[SoulKiss]

maintain my entire body of God given Natural Rights.

Please prove that this "God" exists and provide documentation to prove these "Natural Rights" exist in a form recognised by the Government of this Nation.

Looks to me more that where you parked WASN'T a controlled area so the ticket was cancelled, as you say, bikes are always parked there.

If it IS a controlled parking place, then you got lucky.

We may not like the laws/rules/whatevers, but it is NOT up to us as individuals to decide which do and dont apply to us. If you choose to break a rule, such as speeding, then have the strength to stand up and take it if you are caught.

Or can I just declare that its my Natural Right, by way of being stronger/sneakier/better equipped to go out and take, with force and violence, anything I want, after all, thats what MY God may say is ok?

Ok so some people have found a loophole - fine, go live in a commune by those standards if you wish, but dont complain when society refuses you access to things like street lights, or the police and ambulances stop at the border to your little free country.

Basically there is little, in my opinion, between this and fiddling the dole.

[arenalife]

Civil Enforcement Officer haha, that would just be a tool in a hat then.

[yorkie_chris]

We may not like the laws/rules/whatevers, but it is NOT up to us as individuals to decide which do and dont apply to us. If you choose to break a rule, such as speeding, then have the strength to stand up and take it if you are caught.

Basically there is little, in my opinion, between this and fiddling the dole.

Bullsh*t mate. The whole "take it on the chin" thing is a bag of cr*p thought up by people without the brains to duck, dive and weave in and out of every loophole they can possibly find and apply the logic to decide when or not an attempted defence is likely to land them in more trouble.

I swear to tell the truth, the half truth and nothing like the truth :p

Traffic wardens are scum set on this earth to inconvenience and annoy. They're barely above the bilge dwelling scamera van operators. Nothing like fiddling the dole.

[yorkie_chris]

Please prove that this "God" exists and provide documentation to prove these "Natural Rights" exist in a form recognised by the Government of this Nation.

We may not like the laws/rules/whatevers, but it is NOT up to us as individuals to decide which do and dont apply to us. If you choose to break a rule, such as speeding, then have the strength to stand up and take it if you are caught.

And on a moral point of view, God given rights perhaps you want to bring that to some atheist argument, that's not really the point, you could equally argue you wanted to safeguard your rights as guaranteed by the Magna Carta or Bill of Rights.

We may not like the laws rules, I disagree with that too, an unjust law is no law at all. This country is/was* becoming a police state and with all legitimate forms of protest removed from us it is every citizens duty to become as much of a pain in the *rse as possible. By resisting the smallest intrusion to liberty you prevent the larger.

*Was definitely going that way under the thinly disguised reds of his tonyness and co. who knows whether that trend will stop or be reversed with this lot.

[AndyBrad]

i agree its a scary situation we are in at the moment but its a monster of our own manking, well i blame the southerners but thats a different story :)

[andrewsmith]

Cheers Smudger

I'm using that to appeal the next one I get!
Already had to pay one in protest for same reasons.

[Sally]

i agree its a scary situation we are in at the moment but its a monster of our own manking, well i blame the southerners but thats a different story :)

I raise you this, it's all Englands fault :smt029 ;)

[SoulKiss]

Been doing a little research.

The fact that David Icke (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60) is a major supporter of the FMOTL movement should say enough...

[Owenski]

HA! spot on pal, well played!

[Stu]

Traffic wardens are scum set on this earth to inconvenience and annoy. They're barely above the bilge dwelling scamera van operators. Nothing like fiddling the dole.
And yet, Tim Wilky has been crying out for one to do the job properly for the past 5 years?
:smt102

[Specialone]

There is a difference between getting out of a ticket or fine or taking it on the chin.
If the fine is just then fine take it on the chin, but...
Nine times out of ten, the babboons they have trained get above themselves and think they are hitler, so hand out tickets left right and centre, unjust or not.
Now if everyone took it on the chin nothing would change, but if enough people complain about unjust ones, they will look at who is giving them out and should their rules be changed as to how and when.
If the council have everything correct in place, signage etc and i still get a ticket, fair enough, i will take it on the chin.

But if a babboon wants to flex his notepad just because he thinks i MIGHT be parked illiegally then bolox im gonna contest it.

[Stu]

There is a difference between getting out of a ticket or fine or taking it on the chin.
If the fine is just then fine take it on the chin, but...
Nine times out of ten, the babboons they have trained get above themselves and think they are hitler, so hand out tickets left right and centre, unjust or not.
Now if everyone took it on the chin nothing would change, but if enough people complain about unjust ones, they will look at who is giving them out and should their rules be changed as to how and when.
If the council have everything correct in place, signage etc and i still get a ticket, fair enough, i will take it on the chin.

But if a babboon wants to flex his notepad just because he thinks i MIGHT be parked illiegally then bolox im gonna contest it.
What! :shock:
It's usually cut & dried if it's legal or not. Most people get a ticket because they think they can get away with it (I was only 5 mins, or it's not in anyones way - doesn't make it legal)

[Specialone]

What! :shock:
It's usually cut & dried if it's legal or not. Most people get a ticket because they think they can get away with it (I was only 5 mins, or it's not in anyones way - doesn't make it legal)


Since when Stu???
If that was the case why would we need motoring lawyers?

Ive had 2 tickets in my life, one i paid cos i was in the wrong, the second as described earlier, i havent because it wasnt justified, they obviously also agree or not sure otherwise i would have a notice to pay by now.
Like i said, if i personally have parked illegally and all the signage, lines and everything were correct, ill put my hands up and pay no questions asked, but if they arent i think its your duty to question it, thats all.

[timwilky]

I have only ever been ticketed once and that was a nazi who did me whilst I unloaded £50,000 gear out the back of a van into the reception of the BT building in Back Leeds St Liverpool 26 years ago. His argument was there was a car park I could use 50 yards away. My argument was it weighed a ton and I would only be parked long enough to unload and then would move into the car park. Have you ever tried lifting 18" winchester disk drives?


That aside, civil penalties are not worth the paper they are written on, they are unenforceable and the wise will ignore them. that is the pity about clamping about to bite the dust. Owners of private land will be forced into expensive action/barriers/staff etc to stop rogue parkers.

Those who overstay on pay/display etc I do have some sympathy with. You may well have the best intention to get in/out but if somebody holds you up, you can get an expensive present.

No sympathy and they should be towed away are those that ignore traffic management and safety restrictions.

But at the end of the day. I would rather a warden gave advice such as can you please park in the bay round the corner, than issue a ticket. After all their primary role should be to ensure smooth flow of traffic, not milking the cash cow.

My local council dumped the nazi wardens from Parkwise as they were forcing people out of town. Ticketing people who were in the queue for the pay machine etc. By reducing the cost of yet enforcing the penalty of 1 hour tickets and increasing the number of free 1/2 hour bays, they are trying to attract people back into town.

[punyXpress]

My local council dumped the nazi wardens from Parkwise as they were forcing people out of town. Ticketing people who were in the queue for the pay machine etc. By reducing the cost of yet enforcing the penalty of 1 hour tickets and increasing the number of free 1/2 hour bays, they are trying to attract people back into town. __________________
Only for some Grumpy, opinionated, barsteward to drive 'em all off again! ;)

[Stig]

I parked in a pay and display car park the other night. I got there a couple of minutes before 6pm where the cost of parking went from £1 an hour to £1 for the night at 6. I waited in the car park for a couple of minutes before paying for my ticket. When I got back to my car a BMW had parked next to me. The car wasn't there when I left the car so he must have arrived after 6pm. He had decided he didn't want to pay the £1 and ended up with a ticket for £30. Even if he had no change that wouldn't have been a good enough excuse as there was a taxi rank right next to the car park (which is where I went and spoke to a nice taxi driver who gave me change in exchange for a note). There was also a burger van parked in the car park. Must have more money than sense.

[Ed]

Can't do that in the US for sure. Here they tell you, "Driving is not a right it's a privelige."

See what you lost back in 1777;)

On the subject... they prolly had a good laugh in the ticket office. 'We got a right nutter here'...

[Smudge]

really dont know how you could do this. i get the im not a number thing. but once you de register everything how do you travel? get insurance and live?

I know they have insurance Andy but don't know the facts behind it yet they play on the legal wording of 'Vehicle'.
Most of this freeman stuff IMO is just to get the government to realise they are supposed to work for the people and not the banks.

It's just that way back since the magna carta all sorts of legal statutes have been created which apply to the 'PERSON' legal fiction of your registration at birth. you can either claim the right to common law as a human being and not this 'PERSON'.

Or accept joinder between the capitalised corporation name and accept all the statutes.
Their job is to get you off land i.e. in a court dock (all named from admiral law years back) or to get you to claim joinder to their jurisdiction.

[Smudge]

Please prove that this "God" exists and provide documentation to prove these "Natural Rights" exist in a form recognised by the Government of this Nation.

Looks to me more that where you parked WASN'T a controlled area so the ticket was cancelled, as you say, bikes are always parked there.

If it IS a controlled parking place, then you got lucky.

We may not like the laws/rules/whatevers, but it is NOT up to us as individuals to decide which do and dont apply to us. If you choose to break a rule, such as speeding, then have the strength to stand up and take it if you are caught.

Or can I just declare that its my Natural Right, by way of being stronger/sneakier/better equipped to go out and take, with force and violence, anything I want, after all, thats what MY God may say is ok?

Ok so some people have found a loophole - fine, go live in a commune by those standards if you wish, but dont complain when society refuses you access to things like street lights, or the police and ambulances stop at the border to your little free country.

Basically there is little, in my opinion, between this and fiddling the dole.

God metaphorically! Natural rights as in the right to claim common law jurisdiction which is yes recognised and this states if you cause injury, harm or loss to another human you will be judged by YOUR PEERS.

I no this sounds like anarchy but it is not! believe me I've done my research as I thought the same.
Don't take anything that I say for granted check it out for your self it all there in the law books and the magna carta we just had the wool pulled over.

[Smudge]

See what you lost back in 1777;)

On the subject... they prolly had a good laugh in the ticket office. 'We got a right nutter here'...

Ok nutter yeh but some of these statutes are so funny and the play on words to pull the wool is hysterical.

[BanannaMan]

See what you lost back in 1777;)



Oi! My family lived in England in 1777!

And they call this the land of the free. :rolleyes: