View Full Version : Top Gear BBC2 8pm Tonight
DSGMATT
23-01-11, 02:47 PM
As per above - for us dirty Cage Lovers - New Series starts tonight. Hope it proves more entertaining than the Christmas Special..
That is all :cool:
Cheers! Was just about to post the same, should be good. :)
I enjoyed the Christmas Special. I'll get the chocolate out ready for tonight...
According to MCN there is a race between Steve Brogan on Jentin BMW and a Ariel Atom with a V8 busa engine on tonite's show, they even intimated that the bike wins , but we'll see!
Oooooo This is the one that my friend is in the audience. I will be watching! :)
andrewsmith
23-01-11, 07:26 PM
Yep tonight it the Atom challenge. It was filmed late september Steve Brogan let the cat out the bag that it was a s1000r
Apparently the race bike beat the Atom by over 2 seconds. So the producer insisted that they use the s1000rr road bike, which looses by 0.8secs. That's from someone that was there.
andrewsmith
23-01-11, 07:51 PM
Apparently the race bike beat the Atom by over 2 seconds. So the producer insisted that they use the s1000rr road bike, which looses by 0.8secs. That's from someone that was there.
haha
I'd thought it would be more, the BSB evo was chucking around 210 brake out
dizzyblonde
23-01-11, 07:51 PM
Really looking forward to this series.
Wonder if they were doing a convoy on 31st October from Whitby:rolleyes:
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 08:08 PM
I am liking Cpatain Slows new found bravery :) , BMW on now with the Atom
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 08:09 PM
Calling Bullsh1t on that being May in the Atom
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 08:11 PM
That answers that then
dizzyblonde
23-01-11, 08:18 PM
But them BMWs can't wheelie???
andrewsmith
23-01-11, 08:20 PM
can if you turn everything off, with a pair of cable cutters
barwel1992
23-01-11, 08:20 PM
But them BMWs can't wheelie???
unless u turn anti wheelie off :rolleyes:
haha
I'd thought it would be more, the BSB evo was chucking around 210 brake out
My understanding of the BSB evo bikes were that they used standard powered engines but were allowed the same frame, forks, swinging arm etc as the BSB bikes
grimey121uk
23-01-11, 08:27 PM
have i mssed the car vs bike bit?
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 08:29 PM
Yes , by about 20 minutes and wasn`t up to much anyway
grimey121uk
23-01-11, 08:36 PM
what won?
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 08:36 PM
Atom
andrewsmith
23-01-11, 08:39 PM
My understanding of the BSB evo bikes were that they used standard powered engines but were allowed the same frame, forks, swinging arm etc as the BSB bikes
pretty much and control ECU's
the exhaust systems can be changed
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 08:42 PM
Getting a bit narked with them and the camera trickery , copter lands on the roof of the car , it is to the left , as car slows down it is dead centre , and when Clarkson gets out of the car and the copter blades are still runing ..... why isn`t his shirt ruffling like a flag on the top of a mast ?
Stop Farking about with camera tricks and just get on with the show
ThEGr33k
23-01-11, 09:10 PM
At least we know that the S1000rr is faster than most of the cars that Top gear put about the track!
At least we know that the S1000rr is faster than most of the cars that Top gear put about the track!
Yep and 10x cheaper. :D
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 09:12 PM
And a bike ............... which is a bonus
DarrenSV650S
23-01-11, 09:18 PM
Getting a bit narked with them and the camera trickery , copter lands on the roof of the car , it is to the left , as car slows down it is dead centre , and when Clarkson gets out of the car and the copter blades are still runing ..... why isn`t his shirt ruffling like a flag on the top of a mast ?
Stop Farking about with camera tricks and just get on with the show
Stop moaning and just watch it. :p You don't understand topgear do you lol
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 09:21 PM
Stop moaning and just watch it. :p You don't understand topgear do you lol
Just no need for it though , get out the car and run away from the blades , far more entertaining than pretending , just Health and safety B0ll0x at the end of the day
DarrenSV650S
23-01-11, 09:23 PM
Well if you don't enjoy it, don't watch it
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 09:24 PM
Yeah ok "Mum"
DarrenSV650S
23-01-11, 09:25 PM
lol
xXBADGERXx
23-01-11, 09:26 PM
:)
Roberrrrt
23-01-11, 09:26 PM
Only watched it to see the bike race, which was just as staged and scripted as the rest of the show. Got bored of it about 4 series ago...
tactcom7
24-01-11, 10:10 AM
Only watched it to see the bike race, which was just as staged and scripted as the rest of the show. Got bored of it about 4 series ago...
+1 they don't seem to be able to make an episode without 'accidentally' setting something on fire or saying something controversial. 'Look i have a can of puss.y' for example. Oh look the lights went out, oh look the Christmas trees on fire, really? Used to be funny and entertaining now it's all a bit contrived.
And before anyone says don't watch it then, i didn't! :)
The porsche bit at the end annoyed me. It wasn't entertaining and as it pointed out, he does speak way too much about them. Some of the things they do on topgear really amuse me and I enjoy watching it, but that was just boring.
kellyjo
24-01-11, 11:11 AM
Didnt bother watching. They lost me after the xmas show. Shame really.
missyburd
24-01-11, 11:23 AM
why isn`t his shirt ruffling like a flag on the top of a mast ?
That did make me wonder! Shush-picious...
The porsche bit at the end annoyed me. It wasn't entertaining and as it pointed out, he does speak way too much about them. Some of the things they do on topgear really amuse me and I enjoy watching it, but that was just boring.
That bit bored me too, I was falling asleep at that point. Hammond only seems to talk about those Porsches, jumped up Beetles...! MUst be something to do with the size of them, makes him feel a tad more proportional :-D Waste of a classic beetle too, chucking it through the sky like that! But this is Top Gear...Still enjoying the banter and the entertainment factor though, John Bishop was funny but there was no chat about the cars he has which is usually the interesting bit!
fizzwheel
24-01-11, 11:24 AM
Waste of a classic beetle too
I dont think it was, I reckon it was Mexican built one, which they probably got cheap.
It wasnt the same beetle he did the initial drag race against the porsche in england with.
missyburd
24-01-11, 11:28 AM
I dont think it was, I reckon it was Mexican built one, which they probably got cheap.
It wasnt the same beetle he did the initial drag race against the porsche in england with.
hope you're right Fizz :cool:
It does annoy me how many cars they smash or blow up etc though.
Like when they bought 'supercars' for 10k was it? They basically just ****ed them up completely. I sat there and thought to myself, 'Well there goes another 30k of the licence payer's money just for them to bugger up some cars'.
carelesschucca
24-01-11, 11:57 AM
Just think if you pay your TV licence its your money that they're using to do it!!!
I do generally enjoy their Sh!te though...
Nice to see that a Bike is the 2nd quickest thing ever round the test track.
Specialone
24-01-11, 12:01 PM
Look, its an entertaining show, just see it for what it is.
One annoying thing was, i got all the DVDs for xmas, a lot of the cars on them had been featured on top gear before.
The SLS merc was on top gear just before xmas, then it was featured in clarksons xmas dvd, bit cheated by that tbh.
Whinge whinge whinge whinge whinge... Dunno why I thought there might be some interesting debate about the Atom Vs RR...
Without whinging, chatting poop yadder whinge blah..... (try it guys...).
good little race. Atom is mega, supershort gear changes, mid power drift, turned me on like a virgin in a strip club.
Bike was SO much faster in a straightline. Think its the hammerhead, the car had the exit/power down out of the bend and the bike had to play catchup to that fast right hander. So slower exit, but still quick enough to get in front on that short straight. Problem is, is he went in too deep on the brakes, and had to swing left, the hard back over to the right to get the line through the "tyre" fast left hander hence loosing shed loads of speed to make the move. Thats where the atom re-gained and carried on momentum, and whilst it lost out on the next straight, it had enough to keep with it until the brakes at which point it was always going to over-take again.
But, still, £150k, or £14k....
I know from Performance bikes as well that the BMW in full power mode with exhaust etc, does 0-178mph in just over 12 seconds. No car, not even a Veyron would be in sight until top speeds are achieved (wouldn't want to try one from 100 up though, would be much closer).
Rest of the show, normal modern Top Gear really. Know what to expect so not geeky enough to moan about it. If I don't like it, I turn it off and dont' feel compelled to jump online and moan. I think this sums it up...
http://i.imgur.com/Uz1OW.png
Owenski
24-01-11, 01:01 PM
I quite like TG, take it at face value and apprechiate that its entertainment and not a documentary. EG the Skoda Yeti... well those tests werent even close to been fair. erm NO 5HIT!
The porsche / beatle race... Hammonds hair suddenly grew between the tg test track and him going to africa, those pieces were shot out of sequence. erm NO 5HIT!
Its a larffff and it rips a new one in watching any of the alternative parrrrpp shown on a sunday night.
fizzwheel
24-01-11, 01:11 PM
Look, its an entertaining show, just see it for what it is.
Indeed, usual mix of chat / banter / entertainment. Its far removed from being a show about cars anymore. I'd much rather watch this than another soap or another series of celebrity slipping around on ice dancing in a jungle or whatever.
I would have liked more stuff on the Atom, more techie stuff about how they developed it etc etc, but then I have been following its development via my brother who works at Ariel so I have an idea about its difficult birth...
I enjoyed it, far better than anything else on TV on a Sunday night IMHO.
BernardBikerchick
24-01-11, 01:38 PM
t'was fab as always!!!
loving tiff's new clothing too !!!! lol
tactcom7
24-01-11, 01:41 PM
I get it's an entertainment show, just wish they would come up with more original ways of doing it, rather than the 'set something on fire/say pussy a many times as I can in 5 minutes' thing.
And daimo, if people feel compelled to write about how good they think something is are others not allowed to voice their own opinion? Or do you want the Internet to be a nice place where not a bad word is spoken?
Roberrrrt
24-01-11, 01:46 PM
Whinge whinge whinge whinge whinge... Dunno why I thought there might be some interesting debate about the Atom Vs RR...
Without whinging, chatting poop yadder whinge blah..... (try it guys...).
If I don't like it, I turn it off and dont' feel compelled to jump online and moan.
Yeah you definitely don't jump online too often, I mean look at how few posts you have contributed to the org... :rolleyes:
Im not a post whoare, i reply to decent topics usually. Ditto for youself noob. Still, nice to see your contributions and informative topic context about either the bike, car, or show in general. In fact, all I can see is yet another whinge. What actually have you replied about TG there? :lol: See image above....
Tatcom, ohhh its the freedom of speech thing now :lol: You've had your nice say, so i as a user of the internet, MUST say something, negative, that been written every single week on the interwebz, AGAIN. Jjust to have my say and contribute, without actually contributing at all.
Fizzy, indeed, i'd have like to have seen more about it. Im sure its got a 10,500rpm or so limit, nothing mentioned. There was nothing really technical about the car, but as you've said, i'd been watching its progress for a few years, just never got to hear it. Sounded quite muted for what I expected really. Hefty powerband though, you could see the way tiff was giving it just enough throttle to step out, but not too much that it lost performance.
Wonder if we'll ever get to see a Caparo Vs Bugatti Vs Atom V8 Vs Caterham Levente....
Now thats a lineup i'd like to see them drag race :D
Roberrrrt
24-01-11, 02:23 PM
Im not a post whoare, i reply to decent topics usually. Ditto for youself noob. Still, nice to see your contributions and informative topic context about either the bike, car, or show in general. In fact, all I can see is yet another whinge. What actually have you replied about TG there? :lol: See image above....
Noob, nice contribution.
If you refer back to the OP, you'll see there was mention of hope that the new show was better than the xmas special. That, IMO, was a comment about the quality of the show and its content. I was quite right to comment therefore, on the quality of the show, and in my view, how it has deteriorated into being something too predictable.
It would seem that your WHINGE about other users was in fact more off-topic than my first comment. Go ahead, have a read.
I'm not keen on Top Gear any more, and was interested to see the BMW vs. Atom feature (again, as mentioned in my first post). You might still enjoy its repetitive nature, after all, you're having to have other people's views explained to you more than once. That's fine, just don't complain when other people decide they want to air their opinion too.
HTH.
"must reply, must, its the internet..."
Or look, laugh, point, giggle, carry on. I lost a few Internet points. Ohs noes.
oh will you to just shag and have done with it, all this sexual tension is killing us :rolleyes:
http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155932220&lc=2057 (http://cars.uk.msn.com/news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155932220&lc=2057)
This is an interesting article (dunno if it has been posted already)
" The challenges might seem contrived and the opinions pushed to extremes mainly for dramatic effect but taking this show too seriously isn't the way to enjoy it. The joy of Top Gear is escapism, the idea of sticking two fingers up at all those people in the world today who tell you not to do stuff. An hour or so of that on a chilly Sunday night in January can't be a bad thing."
A good conclusion, however, IMO, they need to be careful treading the line between being controversial but funny and being silly/slap stick annoying-ness. And the way they seem to be heading is more in the direction of unintelligent humour whereas their greatest success was with the satirical stance they took previously
Roberrrrt
24-01-11, 02:37 PM
Hahahaha fantastic. :D
And what you've said about TG is pretty much what I (and I suspect others) were trying to say, but alas, I mustn't be as clear as you!
OMG that Atom is a bit of a tool. I also have a bit of fondness for the Yeti! A decent set of Rims and i think it would look dead good.
Speculation already about the new Stig, or Stigette.
benji106
24-01-11, 04:36 PM
OMG that Atom is a bit of a tool. I also have a bit of fondness for the Yeti! A decent set of Rims and i think it would look dead good.
Speculation already about the new Stig, or Stigette.
£150,000 though! Id settle for the £30k original.
EDIT: The Atom that is, not the Yeti ;)
Mr Speirs
24-01-11, 04:43 PM
Speculation already about the new Stig, or Stigette.
Tiff or that hot german lady.
Anyone else think that the new stig is the reason why that comedian not only got the fastest time but absolutely obliterated it? I think they need to whack new stig in the Veyron SS and see what the times look like!!
Would be interesting.
andrewsmith
24-01-11, 05:10 PM
Tiff or that hot german lady.
Anyone else think that the new stig is the reason why that comedian not only got the fastest time but absolutely obliterated it? I think they need to whack new stig in the Veyron SS and see what the times look like!!
Would be interesting.
It'll be tiff niddel or Sabine Schmit
( that hot german lady)
Tiff or that hot german lady.
Anyone else think that the new stig is the reason why that comedian not only got the fastest time but absolutely obliterated it? I think they need to whack new stig in the Veyron SS and see what the times look like!!
Would be interesting.
They obviously felt the need to make it clear that "The Stig" is generally as fast as any other "The Stig".
It has frequently been different people. The point of the unnamed, faceless racing driver is that regardless of who is wearing the suit, the laptimes are supposedly comparable with one another. If they proved that "The New Stig" is faster than the old one, it would only mean that they, for all intents and purposes, have to discard all their old power-laptimes.
Anyhoo. It could be Tiff (for now at least), but there'll be a huge number of competent racing drivers (or at least Collins' level) that will do the job for far less than the Needells, or for that matter, anybody famous or noteworthy, would want paying, and the end result will be the same.
Something Collins himself clearly didn't understand.
Bluepete
24-01-11, 05:33 PM
I like Yetis.
ThEGr33k
24-01-11, 11:51 PM
Its a shame that they didnt go more into detail with the Atom, and that they didnt really say much about the bike or Steve. Bit of a failing :(
Whinge whinge whinge whinge whinge... Dunno why I thought there might be some interesting debate about the Atom Vs RR...
Without whinging, chatting poop yadder whinge blah..... (try it guys...).
good little race. Atom is mega, supershort gear changes, mid power drift, turned me on like a virgin in a strip club.
Bike was SO much faster in a straightline. Think its the hammerhead, the car had the exit/power down out of the bend and the bike had to play catchup to that fast right hander. So slower exit, but still quick enough to get in front on that short straight. Problem is, is he went in too deep on the brakes, and had to swing left, the hard back over to the right to get the line through the "tyre" fast left hander hence loosing shed loads of speed to make the move. Thats where the atom re-gained and carried on momentum, and whilst it lost out on the next straight, it had enough to keep with it until the brakes at which point it was always going to over-take again.
But, still, £150k, or £14k....
I know from Performance bikes as well that the BMW in full power mode with exhaust etc, does 0-178mph in just over 12 seconds. No car, not even a Veyron would be in sight until top speeds are achieved (wouldn't want to try one from 100 up though, would be much closer).
Rest of the show, normal modern Top Gear really. Know what to expect so not geeky enough to moan about it. If I don't like it, I turn it off and dont' feel compelled to jump online and moan. I think this sums it up...
Id sum it up as, the bike lost a tiny bit in the last bit of the corners but more than made it up on acceleration once leaving the corner, but ultimatly lost out on the brakes twice at the two big slow downs.
Indeed, usual mix of chat / banter / entertainment. Its far removed from being a show about cars anymore. I'd much rather watch this than another soap or another series of celebrity slipping around on ice dancing in a jungle or whatever.
I would have liked more stuff on the Atom, more techie stuff about how they developed it etc etc, but then I have been following its development via my brother who works at Ariel so I have an idea about its difficult birth...
I enjoyed it, far better than anything else on TV on a Sunday night IMHO.
It seems to be more clinical these days, like they are trying to push the ****ing about and pointless messing up a notch. I mean its good but they need to balance it with some interesting tests that do work something out, like they used to.
Just to know where you stand, I still enjoy it, but its not going to ever beat its own Vietnam episode.
Watched aon old episode on Dave the other day. It's the one where a "viewer" tries to parachute into a moving car while his mate Ben drives it.
Hmmmm, Ben look familiar.
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fizzwheel
25-01-11, 09:05 AM
Sounded quite muted for what I expected really.
I asked my brother about this last night. He said theres two exhaust systems for the V8 one quiet and one loud. It was runing with the quiet exhaust and thats why it sounded like it did.
He said it sounds much better with the full exhaust system on and its also alot better in the flesh.
I guess its not going to sound like an american muscle car V8, because its based on bike engine. I think its more F1 like in sound on full chat, which cant be a bad thing IMHO. :cool:
Mr Speirs
25-01-11, 10:11 AM
I wish they had elaborated more on the engine..they just said it's two bike engines moulded together. I guess though if they had spent too much time talking about actual specs of cars etc they would lose the vast majority of the audience that like cars rather than actually being interested in them.
fizzwheel
25-01-11, 10:23 AM
I wish they had elaborated more on the engine..they just said it's two bike engines moulded together.
Its two Hayabusa blocks bored out to 1.5 litres with a bespoke crank / bottom end.
I dont know if they used the busa engine heads or not, but I can find out if you are interested.
yorkie_chris
25-01-11, 10:59 AM
I would think it foolish to not use the 'busa heads. Really a block is far simpler than a head, so why borrow the cylinders but not the heads? It's already very well developed, lots of parts, cams etc. available for it and lots of people know how to tune it. And it can flow a lot as stock.
Fizzy, indeed, i'd have like to have seen more about it. Im sure its got a 10,500rpm or so limit,
Very short stroke, so revs like buggery :)
I wish they had elaborated more on the engine..they just said it's two bike engines moulded together. I guess though if they had spent too much time talking about actual specs of cars etc they would lose the vast majority of the audience that like cars rather than actually being interested in them.
Fairly similar idea to the puma racing one AFAIK, custom set of crankcases and crank. Basically 4 SV cranks stuck together. Weighs nowt :)
ThEGr33k
25-01-11, 01:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSGbO0MGGI&feature=related
Im pretty sure they use the same engine so gives you an idea of what it can sound like!
Well I really enjoyed it. It is a totally pointless show. It's all about having fun and being entertaining. It is both. Look forward to the next episode. :)
andrewsmith
25-01-11, 10:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acSGbO0MGGI&feature=related
Im pretty sure they use the same engine so gives you an idea of what it can sound like!
There is two varients of the 'buse V8'
The Hartley V8 http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562068.htm
And the holeshot V8 (Basically the same with Jack Frost having a play) http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/index.php?page=holeshot-hartley-v8
Yes I've looked into these, as I was costing up a madcap mini for a laugh
beabert
01-02-11, 06:06 PM
Saw this coming
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12338053
Specialone
01-02-11, 07:43 PM
Like clarkson will give a shoot, BBC won't sack them cos they make a fortune from top gear.
Sky sacked Andy gray for a lot less, probably true about mexicans anyway ;)
It's the first time I've watched it and thought they were deliberately saying those things just to get a reaction. I thought they were going a bit far, but then I thought they could have said worse (e.g gun-slinging, hostage-taking, drug-dealing, border-jumpers etc etc). They probably reined it in a little.
The French get mocked with at least equal severity on a weekly basis. I'd frankly be appalled if other countries didn't frequently make fun of the English.
Quite a weak start to the series, although this second episode had some comical moments.
missyburd
01-02-11, 08:36 PM
Never mind the Mexicans, what about the Aussies!
;)
beabert
13-02-11, 07:55 PM
5 mins
kwak zzr
13-02-11, 07:59 PM
cheers beabert :) almost forgot :)
Specialone
13-02-11, 08:25 PM
Rant mode !!!
Whatever you do, don't have top gear or clarksons DVD for Xmas, all the cars featured have been/ are on the top gear series.
Fecking cheats, the zonda on at present was on clarksons DVD.
To add insult to injury, it was discounted at £6 in HMV today.
kwak zzr
13-02-11, 08:29 PM
i had one 2 christmas's ago and i still aint watched it lol :)
beabert
13-02-11, 09:08 PM
Rant mode !!!
Whatever you do, don't have top gear or clarksons DVD for Xmas, all the cars featured have been/ are on the top gear series.
Fecking cheats, the zonda on at present was on clarksons DVD.
To add insult to injury, it was discounted at £6 in HMV today.
Yep, i noticed that, was boring too.
To be fair though there is only so many cars about to feature on Top Gear an subsequent DVD's... So there bound to be the same.
Was an OK episode... There is a Zonda Cinque for sale in Bob Forstners on Park Lane. There was a film crew playing with it on Saturday when I walked by... Bargain at £1,399,000!!!
Format
Stupid task
Chat news
Show flashy car
may / hammond/ clarkson drives car
Stig drives car
More stupid task
Star in reasonably priced car
End stupid task
End show ..goodbye
Repeat until end of series .. recommission and start again.
However last night they couldnt be bothered to complete task so enter tumbleweed moment.. Didnt think anyone knew what to say next. I have to say the highlight of watching top gear is to spot the strategically placed attractive female in the studio. Have a look in the studio sequences, Bill odie would have had a field day last night.
tactcom7
14-02-11, 08:59 AM
Format
Stupid task
Chat news
Show flashy car
may / hammond/ clarkson drives car
Stig drives car
More stupid task
Star in reasonably priced car
End stupid task
End show .....
You missed out
Set something on fire
Break something
Try and say a rude word...
yorkie_chris
14-02-11, 09:49 AM
However last night they couldnt be bothered to complete task so enter tumbleweed moment.. Didnt think anyone knew what to say next. I have to say the highlight of watching top gear is to spot the strategically placed attractive female in the studio. Have a look in the studio sequences, Bill odie would have had a field day last night.
There's always a decent bird just in shot when any of them are talking for a while lol.
TBH I don't watch it because I know it's going to be a moving, groundbreaking, tear jerker of a program. It's just a bit of fairly mindless entertainment. If you want the former then go watch some short films that are all done in foreign by a director noones heard of...
I want that Zonda...that is all.
Thought this series is a little better than the last. Far less cringe worthy moments in it.
BernardBikerchick
14-02-11, 11:44 AM
hahaha classic top top episode as always !!!:cool:
454697819
14-02-11, 01:01 PM
There's always a decent bird just in shot when any of them are talking for a while lol.
TBH I don't watch it because I know it's going to be a moving, groundbreaking, tear jerker of a program. It's just a bit of fairly mindless entertainment. If you want the former then go watch some short films that are all done in foreign by a director noones heard of...
here here.. its mindless drivel which sorts my brain our for a Monday morning start...
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