Poll: What would you spend £60 quid on?

[-Ralph-]

:cheers: An excuse for a poll!

60 quid, should I buy?

A. Single sided paddock stand so I can lift my bike regularly and easily to lube the chain.

B. Scottoiler so it saves me the bother, makes my C&S last longer, and when I do need to work on the bike, I'll use a trolley jack and a block of wood.

[B1k3R]

Stand. No brainer for me. Multi use and just another excuse to "tinker".

[Specialone]

Paddock stand, cos you can oil your C&S as many times as you like once your rear end is lifted correctly :)

[andrewsmith]

Paddock stand


Next question

[kaivalagi]

paddock stand, or better still a second hand Abbas stand if you can find one

[flymo]

6000 penny sweets....nom nom

[Bluefish]

6000 penny sweets....nom nom

LOL, i voted scotoiler, will get one when all the other demands on my money are gone, like service, new tyre and autocom.

[davepreston]

wh0re/ beer
next question

[Smudge]

Stand then your garage floor will stay clean plus scot oilers are extortion for what they are!

[yorkie_chris]

I reckon my scottoiler has paid for itself at least 6 times over.
Still sound expensive for what it is?

I reckon it paid for itself within the first chain actually.

[Sid Squid]

Alcohol and, (more), drugs.

[Bibio]

buy both you know you want to.

but if it was a choice it would have to be the scottoiler.

[Fluffer]

Scottoilers for £60? Where be that? I always thought they were more and could do with one for the new chain on the way!

[Milky Bar Kid]

Scottoiler. That is all.

[speedplay]

Paddock stands and a new poll option.

[MattCollins]

I reckon my scottoiler has paid for itself at least 6 times over.
Still sound expensive for what it is?

I reckon it paid for itself within the first chain actually.

Ditto... I get 2-3 times the life out of chains and sprockets with the oiler fitted. The oiler is little more than half of the money spent on a decent chain and sprocket set.
Take the money saved and then get a paddock stand. Until then a milk crate will suffice.

[davepreston]

I reckon my scottoiler has paid for itself at least 6 times over.
Still sound expensive for what it is?

I reckon it paid for itself within the first chain actually.
because your a all weather biker mate like me (when in not busted)
it depends on your milage if you do under 8000 a year go the paddock stand ,over go scott oiler

[Specialone]

Is not oiling your chain regular like at least every 200 miles just as effective as as a Scott oiler?

[-Ralph-]

Scottoilers for £60? Where be that? I always thought they were more and could do with one for the new chain on the way!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SCOTTOILER-VSYSTEM-CHAIN-LOOK-NEW-OILER-/270685366790?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f061aea06#ht_500wt_922

[Bibio]

Is not oiling your chain regular like at least every 200 miles just as effective as as a Scott oiler?

no

[barwel1992]

no

what about every other ride (usually 50-60 miles per ride)

[tom-k6]

just a quick spray when your home onto a nice warm chain should be enough, if you have a paddock stand it takes 30 seconds to a minute to do,

[Specialone]

Well my sprints gonna be the test then cos I'm not fitting a Scott oiler, but I do oil the chain regular, so we will see :)

[-Ralph-]

To be fair it's been well recorded on the forum that people without a Scottoiler get approx 12 -18k miles out of the OEM SV chain and sprockets, whereas those with a Scottoiler get 20-30k. It's pretty well accepted that Scottoilers work and do extend the life of the C&S. As someone said above though they cost 60 quid, a C&S set costs about 100 quid, if you only do say 4000 a year, you are only going to have to spend 100 quid on C&S once every 3 years or more, so is it worth £60 to get a Scottoiler?

The only reason I am asking this question, is because the ONLY time I ever lifted my SV on a paddock stand OTHER than to lube the chain was to change the tyres (once a year) and to change the rear shock (once in a blue moon at my current mileage) in which case a paddock stand lifting the swingarm was no good, I had to use a jack and axle stands under the footrest brackets.

So getting a Scottoiler would mean I don't have to worry about lifting my bike, with the added bonus of not having to worry about the chain, having to adjust it less often, and extending the life of my C&S.

[kwak zzr]

pillock stand :)

[SoulKiss]

Scottoiler, its a one-off cost.

Use old engine oil in the Scottoiler and re-fills are free

Simple

Paddock stand makes lubing the chain easier, but you are still paying for lube...

[454697819]

Scottoiler, its a one-off cost.

Use old engine oil in the Scottoiler and re-fills are free

Simple

Paddock stand makes lubing the chain easier, but you are still paying for lube...

Why put oil with bits of metal in it and other rubbish extractions into your chain, if u want to be tight buy cheap 10w40 car oil at £13 for 4 litres from partco and put fresh through it...

[barwel1992]

Why put oil with bits of metal in it and other rubbish extractions into your chain, if u want to be tight buy cheap 10w40 car oil at £13 for 4 litres from partco and put fresh through it...

or poor it through an old oil filter element

[davepreston]

or poor it through an old oil filter element
code blue
give me the paddles
clear (zap)
clear (zap)

its ok im back, barwel stop saying intelligent things or my electric bill will go crazy

[barwel1992]

code blue
give me the paddles
clear (zap)
clear (zap)

its ok im back, barwel stop saying intelligent things or my electric bill will go crazy

lol :rolleyes:

[Stu]

Is not oiling your chain regular like at least every 200 miles just as effective as as a Scott oiler?
I think your spoonerism is right - quite likely that a chain won't be oiled regularly unless it's automatic.
The only comparison I know is
http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/
regular (every 120miles) oiling of chain lasted 18K against automatic (of sorts) oiler lasting 27K

Oh and the product is OK if you remember to use it and are too cheap to buy a Scottoiler

[Bluefish]

Why put oil with bits of metal in it and other rubbish extractions into your chain, if u want to be tight buy cheap 10w40 car oil at £13 for 4 litres from partco and put fresh through it...

i was going to say why not sieve it, barwell beat me to it.

[454697819]

i was going to say why not sieve it, barwell beat me to it.

The oil is sieved by your filter in the engine yes...

why? to remove the crap,

what do you do with the filter when you change oil..?. change it, cause it wont be filtering properly any more?

why to we change oil, as its applied usage has expired cause it has crap in it.

why bother with old ****ty nasty oil,putting it through an expired filter when 5 litres of new oil is £13?

Seems a little like a waste of time and false economy? :smt096

[MattCollins]

If the oil is so spent that it is not suitable for very short term use on a chain, then it was in the engine way too long.

[454697819]

If the oil is so spent that it is not suitable for very short term use on a chain, then it was in the engine way too long.

I'm just voicing my opinion,

you fit a scotoiler to run oil over the chain, engine oil has nasty crap in it hence why you take it out the engine in the first place,?

Why fit a 60£ scotoiler to keep ur new chain nice then run old dirty oil through it? the thriftyness doesn't add up to me?

IIRC you normally have some oil left over from an oil change anyway just use clean oil,

It just doesn't add up or sit right with me to put dirty oil over my shiny expensive drive train,

[Stu]

I'm just voicing my opinion,

you fit a scotoiler to run oil over the chain, engine oil has nasty crap in it hence why you take it out the engine in the first place,?

Why fit a 60£ scotoiler to keep ur new chain nice then run old dirty oil through it? the thriftyness doesn't add up to me?

IIRC you normally have some oil left over from an oil change anyway just use clean oil,

It just doesn't add up or sit right with me to put dirty oil over my shiny expensive drive train,
It doesn't sit right with me putting brand new oil on a chain. If I could still buy 4 ltrs for £13 as I used to, I would be putting it inside my engine first, then it's still perfectly good enough to put on your chain afterwards.

[454697819]

It doesn't sit right with me putting brand new oil on a chain. If I could still buy 4 ltrs for £13 as I used to, I would be putting it inside my engine first, then it's still perfectly good enough to put on your chain afterwards.

really..?

Oil still is £13 for 5 litres from Partco :joker:

[yorkie_chris]

Why put oil with bits of metal in it and other rubbish extractions into your chain, if u want to be tight buy cheap 10w40 car oil at £13 for 4 litres from partco and put fresh through it...

Can't remember who said it but that oil was perfectly fine in your engine to go to 10,500rpm a minute ago, what's wrong with it now?

You already have a pretty damn good oil filtering system in the engine. I've got absolutely no bones about using it on the chain.

Though at the moment I'm using some fresh oil, just because my waste oil can has a load of coolant and crap in it and the oil can is usually to hand :)

[Specialone]

I think your spoonerism is right - quite likely that a chain won't be oiled regularly unless it's automatic.
The only comparison I know is
http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/
regular (every 120miles) oiling of chain lasted 18K against automatic (of sorts) oiler lasting 27K

Oh and the product is OK if you remember to use it and are too cheap to buy a Scottoiler

Whatever stu, I oil my chain regular, i dont do enormous miles so i dont anticipate premature wear tbh, I have a Scott oiler on my DRZ, I just don't like the crap that goes with them.
You also have to remember to fill the Scott oiler reservoir up as well ;)

Also that wasn't a spoonerism !!

[454697819]

Can't remember who said it but that oil was perfectly fine in your engine to go to 10,500rpm a minute ago, what's wrong with it now?

You already have a pretty damn good oil filtering system in the engine. I've got absolutely no bones about using it on the chain.

Though at the moment I'm using some fresh oil, just because my waste oil can has a load of coolant and crap in it and the oil can is usually to hand :)

BUT HOLD ON...the oil wasnt perfectly fine to use in ur engine at 10500 rpm a moment ago... otherwise you wouldn't be changing it now would you?? :p

[yorkie_chris]

What you replace your oil at the same time as the engine?

[-Ralph-]

BUT HOLD ON...the oil wasnt perfectly fine to use in ur engine at 10500 rpm a moment ago... otherwise you wouldn't be changing it now would you?? :p

I change my oil because it's done 4000 miles, not because it's so knackered it can no longer do 10500 revs. Are you saying that as my bike approaches this service interval my oil is knackered so I should use less revs?

I wouldn't put dirty oil in the scottoiler either, just 'cos although I'm as tight as a badger ar$e, I'm not that tight. (If I wasn't tight, I wouldn't be asking which to buy, I can afford to buy both)

[-Ralph-]

Just googled for the toxicity of used engine oil. Apparently it contains arsenic and benzopyrene which is carcinogenic isn't it (causes cancer)?

[yorkie_chris]

You're putting it on the chain, not mixing drinks with it

[-Ralph-]

You're putting it on the chain, not mixing drinks with it

Still handling it, decanting it, etc. I'd rather err on the side of caution and use fresh oil, call me a wuss but it's a hassle and not pleasant stuff. It's not like I'm going to spend a lot on it with the mileage I do nowadays. I'd just use the cheap Halfords stuff that I use in the XT600 and buy in 4 litre tubs, if I decide on the Scottoiler that is.

[mcgrimes]

Scott Oiler, and youll get a decent read stand for about £20-£25.

[davepreston]

ralph how do you go near a bike mate lol, all that dangerous chemical stuff about it not to mention the things on the road :)

[mcgrimes]

And yeh, used engine is a carcinogenic (causes cancer!)

[-Ralph-]

Scott Oiler, and youll get a decent read stand for about £20-£25.

Linky please, it's to fit a Triumph Daytona <<<<<<

[-Ralph-]

ralph how do you go near a bike mate lol, all that dangerous chemical stuff about it not to mention the things on the road :)

Gettin' gobby that lad recently is he not?

;)

[454697819]

I change my oil because it's done 4000 miles, not because it's so knackered it can no longer do 10500 revs. Are you saying that as my bike approaches this service interval my oil is knackered so I should use less revs?

I wouldn't put dirty oil in the scottoiler either, just 'cos although I'm as tight as a badger ar$e, I'm not that tight. (If I wasn't tight, I wouldn't be asking which to buy, I can afford to buy both)

correct, oil has a life span hence the service interval...

in my opinion.. :-)

[davepreston]

recently???? lmao

[xXBADGERXx]

SCOTTOILER SCOTTOILER SCOTTOILER SCOTTOILER <---- repeat until you realise the error of your ways

And leave my rear end alone you

[-Ralph-]

Are you saying that as my bike approaches this service interval my oil is knackered so I should use less revs?

correct, oil has a life span hence the service interval...

in my opinion.. :-)

Is that a BASAT post? Anyone?

Don't you think that if Suzuki thought the oil was incapable of full revs when it's approaching the service interval, that they would recommend you change it sooner?

[454697819]

Is that a BASAT post? Anyone?

Don't you think that if Suzuki thought the oil was incapable of full revs when it's approaching the service interval, that they would recommend you change it sooner?

wasn't really reading the bit about revs, I was more commenting on the fact that the oil has a life span and we change it because it has served its purpose.

Why do you think servicing is so key to the warrantee.

[454697819]

wtf is basat

[Smudge]

Sounds like someone thinks your a trader! lol
I'm sure you've been asked a hundred times but what's with the number for a name? it carn't be an army number as I dont reckon we've reached nine figures yet!

[-Ralph-]

wasn't really reading the bit about revs, I was more commenting on the fact that the oil has a life span and we change it because it has served its purpose.

Why do you think servicing is so key to the warrantee.

I didn't say you shouldn't change the oil at the service interval. Why the need to ask me about the warranty?

You said to YC that oil wasn't fit to do 10500 revs and thats why it was changed.

Oil that is due to be changed is absolutely fit to do 10500 revs under normal circumstances, if it weren't Suzuki would have you change it more regularly. They don't recommend you keep oil in the engine until it is knackered, the service interval is shorter than the expected lifespan of the oil, so that your engine is always properly protected if you stick to the service schedule. And if it's fit to lube an engine at 10500 revs, then it's fit to lube a chain. Personally I wouldn't bother keeping it for that purpose, but there's no technical reason why you couldn't use it in a Scottoiler.

[xXBADGERXx]

Bought that Scottoiler yet ?

[mcgrimes]

Linky please, it's to fit a Triumph Daytona <<<<<<

Does it have a double sided swingarm? Do you require spools?

I got a set from raceleathers near me for £35.

Also, ghostbikes do one at £25

Clicky (http://www.ghostbikes.com/products/1008-biketek-motorcycle-series-3-rear-paddock-stand-.html)

[mcgrimes]

but there's no technical reason why you couldn't use it in a Scottoiler.

I think viscosity would have a large affect, also i personally wouldnt like to handle it such that it would pour nicely into a small tube.

[xXBADGERXx]

I think viscosity would have a large affect, also i personally wouldnt like to handle it such that it would pour nicely into a small tube.

Funnel and pour it into old Scottoiler bottle .

[-Ralph-]

:cheers: An excuse for a poll!

60 quid, should I buy?

A. Single sided paddock stand so I can lift my bike regularly and easily to lube the chain.

B. Scottoiler so it saves me the bother, makes my C&S last longer, and when I do need to work on the bike, I'll use a trolley jack and a block of wood.

Does it have a double sided swingarm? Do you require spools?

#-obut if you can find me a new single sided one for signifcantly less than £60 quid I'll buy you a pint :thumright:

[-Ralph-]

Well, I really am quite agnostic on this, and the paddock stand is winning the poll so far.

[andrewsmith]

#-obut if you can find me a new single sided one for signifcantly less than £60 quid I'll buy you a pint :thumright:

like so!!! Inc postage it'll be about £58

http://www.ricambiweiss.de/product_info.php/info/p655_EST-Side-Paddock-Stand-Single-Swing-Arms-Triumph-Speed.html/XTCsid/g28b5q4m6mlcha1pqvm4n4b8c2

[mcgrimes]

Apologies! I read your original post much earlier on!

I'd get a scott oiler, purely on the basis that i seldom perform bike maintenance myself, thus relieving much need for my paddock stands.

I'd much rather entrust my bike's health to trained professionals as i'd only balls something up.

[-Ralph-]

like so!!! Inc postage it'll be about £58

http://www.ricambiweiss.de/product_info.php/info/p655_EST-Side-Paddock-Stand-Single-Swing-Arms-Triumph-Speed.html/XTCsid/g28b5q4m6mlcha1pqvm4n4b8c2

2 quid. No cigar! ;)

But thanks for trying :D

[andrewsmith]

haha

what was the damage for postage, I guessitmated off what i paid for a headstock

[-Ralph-]

haha

what was the damage for postage, I guessitmated off what i paid for a headstock

I didn't check it, I just believed you that it would be £58

[andrewsmith]

fair enuf

thought you had checked

[punyXpress]

Well, I really am quite agnostic on this, and the paddock stand is winning the poll so far.
. . . but there's only one Scottoiler left at that price!
The pressure's on.

[MattCollins]

Ralph,

What's the verdict?

[dirtydog]

I'd go for the scottoiler myself. I used to commute about 40 ish miles a day 6 days a week and I rarely needed to adjust the chain and it lasted for ages as well. Has still got a scottoiler on the sv now despite doing very little riding at the mo or riding in the wet etc.

[Lozzo]

Scottoiler.

You can take it off and fit it to your next bike when you sell the Daytona. The one I left on my SV when I sold it to Rai had been on 6 bikes and I never replaced a C+S in that time.

Buy a single sided paddock stand and it's worthless to you while you're riding, and when you sell the Daytona it's going to be redundant and you'll give it away with the bike or bung it on ebay to be sold for a fraction of its cost, unless you buy another bike with a SSSA... which is unlikely as so few have them now.

[yorkie_chris]

Does the daytona stand even fit owt else?

[Lozzo]

Does the daytona stand even fit owt else?

It will with new adaptors. Triumphs have their own fittings, as do Ducatis and then Hondas. I never bothered with a SSSA paddock stand when I had my Daytona cos I have one that goes into the swingarm spindle with a big range of adaptors.

My biggest wrry with SSSA paddock stands is they twist over time, and if the engine is running when you're working on the bike on the stand they can slide off and get damaged - this happened to a friend's 748. Harris do one with a simple to attach bolt that goes right through and holds the spindle on the stand, but you can't remove the wheel when it's in place

[-Ralph-]

Ralph,

What's the verdict?

Well I said I was agnostic and I started to poll to let you guys decide, so it's a paddock stand.

Thanks everyone.

[xXBADGERXx]

Screw the Poll ......... and the expense , Scottoiler man .

[yorkie_chris]

I don't understand polls, most of the people anywhere don't fully understand the issues, and everyone here who has been riding for more than about 20 minutes and does more than 3 miles a year said scottoiler :smt082

[metalmonkey]

Scottolier I don't understand why you want to use a less efficent way of looking after you bike, doesn't make sense. It can make mess those are two reason,

1 You haven't set it up right.
2 You haven't cleaned the bike for a really long time

Really thats down to you, not the equipment.

If you really want a paddock stand I could sell you one of mine for a price.

[Specialone]

His choice i guess, scott oiler oils the C&S, stand can be used for more.
I guess if i did 20k a year i might consider one, but ive yet to keep a bike long enough to prove / disprove my method of oiling chain.
Im sure they do work, i have one on my drz, i just personally dont like them.
End of the day its my money or Ralphs, if i have to spend £100 every 3 years on a new C&S is it really that big a deal?

[punyXpress]

Wasting your time, lads.
He's got his eye on a Beemer & his next poll will be:
What would you spend 100 notes on:
A) Pipe
B) Slippers
C) One last shot at the wh0re next door

[Specialone]

I don't understand polls, most of the people anywhere don't fully understand the issues, and everyone here who has been riding for more than about 20 minutes and does more than 3 miles a year said scottoiler :smt082

Funny youre moaning about polls, you aint even voted :rolleyes:
Admittedly your vote wouldnt have mattered, but still, vote first, moan later.

[G]

I did 10k+ on my 600rr without ever needing to adjust the chain, that was just lubing occasionally (takes 2 mins) and cleaning every now and then (5mins).

If your doing 10K+ a year then maybe its worth buying a scott oiler, otherwise sod that, its not worth the effort.

[yorkie_chris]

End of the day its my money or Ralphs, if i have to spend £100 every 3 years on a new C&S is it really that big a deal?

It is for me :mrgreen:

[yorkie_chris]

Funny youre moaning about polls, you aint even voted :rolleyes:
Admittedly your vote wouldnt have mattered, but still, vote first, moan later.

So? I'm actually commenting on the principle of treating the least informed point of view as equal to the most rather than weighing up the facts of all arguments and making an informed choice. Surely with me moaning about that it would be hypocritical of me to join in?

[Specialone]

So? I'm actually commenting on the principle of treating the least informed point of view as equal to the most rather than weighing up the facts of all arguments and making an informed choice. Surely with me moaning about that it would be hypocritical of me to join in?

Dunno what you're saying but yes :)

[barwel1992]

well i do a fair few miles a year, at the very least i do 150 a week but thats usually around 300 a week and more in the summer ok so its not a lot compared to many but enough to warrant my argument, ok so i have a abba stand it cost £99 i dont have an scottoiler because quite frankly i dont like sh*t all over my bike.

if some one gave me money to by A: abba stand B: scottoiler i would chose the abba stand every time, it has paid for its self at least twice now.

but if it was scottoiler vs paddock stands then i would go with the scottoiler as i dont think paddock stands are very good.

[-Ralph-]

Screw the Poll ......... and the expense , Scottoiler man .

If I screw the expense, I'll just buy both

Scottolier I don't understand why you want to use a less efficent way of looking after you bike, doesn't make sense.

I do so few miles nowadays (can't use the bike for work anymore, whereas I used to commute on it), that it's not really about efficiency or cost, it's about laziness. Like Specialone says, it's a C&S set every three years for me now. The Scottoiler would just mean I didn't have to bother looking after it. Which given that I'm a lazy cnut, it attractive I must admit.

If you really want a paddock stand I could sell you one of mine for a price.

What do you have? PM me.

End of the day its my money or Ralphs

Really? I choose yours. PM me your CC details ;)

C) One last shot at the wh0re next door

:lol:

[-Ralph-]

ok so i have a abba stand it cost £99

I thought Abba stands were a lot more expensive than that so I had never really looked or considered one. Just looked at the Abba stand website at a video and seen one in use. You could drop engines, remove swingarms, get either wheel off the floor & do forks. I could easily make my own fitting so it fits the XT600 as well.

It's a no brainer, I'm getting an Abba stand.

Thanks Barwel.

Informed opinions my ar$e. Why did nobody else suggest that? Think out of the box people ;-) :lol:

[barwel1992]

I thought Abba stands were a lot more expensive than that so I had never really looked or considered one. Just looked at the Abba stand website at a video and seen one in use. You could drop engines, remove swingarms, get either wheel off the floor & do forks. I could easily make my own fitting so it fits the XT600 as well.

It's a no brainer, I'm getting an Abba stand.

Thanks Barwel.

Informed opinions my ar$e. Why did nobody else suggest that? Think out of the box people ;-) :lol:

haha lol :mrgreen:

[kaivalagi]

It's a no brainer, I'm getting an Abba stand.
...
Informed opinions my ar$e. Why did nobody else suggest that? Think out of the box people ;-) :lol:

Good man, you wont regret it...

Oh and I did suggest it in the first page:
paddock stand, or better still a second hand Abbas stand if you can find one

But I'm a less than 20 minutes and 3 miles kinda guy who thinks scott oilers aren't necessary on every bike...maybe if I end up doing lots of miles I'll get one when I buy my next C&S in 2 years time...

If you're going to buy an Abba new ring the order in and mention the forum cause you'll get 10% off! That's what I did :thumbsup:

[G]

The abba stand has a very dodgy way of connecting to my bike (SSSA), and the only other real option that wasnt so cheap I didnt trust it was the DP one.

Abba stands are defo cool for the right bike.

[kaivalagi]

The abba stand has a very dodgy way of connecting to my bike (SSSA)

Really? So the swinging arm pivot is not there on both sides of the bike? I would have thought that single sided or not the pivot would be available to use as with DSSA...? Curious, especially as I was thinking of a triple for the next bike and would think I could get the new abba adapters for it (long long term)

edit: I am guessing that the pivot nut/bolts are not "connectable" for some reason?

[orose]

G: not sure what you mean there... I've had my SSSA triumph up on the abba, and it was no different to the GSXR before it. What's odd about the motard?

[G]

Really? So the swinging arm pivot is not there on both sides of the bike? I would have thought that single sided or not the pivot would be available to use as with DSSA...? Curious, especially as I was thinking of a triple for the next bike and would think I could get the new abba adapters for it (long long term)

edit: I am guessing that the pivot nut/bolts are not "connectable" for some reason?


I don't know what the fitting is on the triple but on my bike the abba stand fits to a solid hex nut... a solid hex nut which only has a depth of about 6mm for the stand connector to connect to. Which to me does not appear sufficient or safe and the bike could easily fall off. Defo worth checking the fittment before ordering.

Image sent by abba....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs079.snc6/168973_10150089740329837_502519836_5823202_4000904 _n.jpg

[kaivalagi]

Wow, 6mm isn't much at all...especially if you have to have the stand further apart too...I see why you'd be a little concerned

[xXBADGERXx]

Just one word of warning here ....... Abba wrap their stands up very well , in about 130 yards of shrink wrap , sharp knife and extract stand in an orderly fashion , don`t go at it like Jack the Ripper otherwise you will scratch the paint on the stand

[yorkie_chris]

It will take you longer to get into the stand than it will to do whatever job you needed the stand for!

[xXBADGERXx]

Aye , I`ve changed Chain and Sprockets quicker than getting an Abba stand out of the packaging