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Bluefish
27-01-11, 10:05 PM
Programme just been on the tele, with that geezer that used to play martin fowler off eastenders, about all things cannabis. in some states of america you can get a medical prescription, lol, for between 50 and 100 bucks, that allows you to have on you up to abot 3-4 oz and allows you to grow up to 6 plants for personel use, where as over here some bloke just had his door knocked in and lifted for growing 6 plants, discuss ;)
Biker Biggles
27-01-11, 10:12 PM
Very much like alcohol,some people cant tolerate it and become addicted or suffer nasty side effects.Is that a reason for criminalising it?Maybe,but to be logical and consistant we should criminalise alcohol as well.
The Idle Biker
27-01-11, 10:23 PM
Crininalise, crimiliase, crilimise......ban alcohol hic???? How very dare you sir!
Littlepeahead
27-01-11, 10:28 PM
I saw a programme where the guys was growing his own because he said that the dealers sprinkle very fine ground glass onto the buds when they are sticky to make them weigh more once the buds are dried thus increasing their profit. Off course inhaling powdered glass probably isn't that good for your lungs. I'm surprised the Government hasn't legalised and licenced it so that a spliff costs £28 of which £23 is tax.
andrewsmith
27-01-11, 10:34 PM
Its going to be in the restricted category forever and a day as the govt. can't tax it.
I give whoever is doing the research on these shows their due, to get a sacked chief of the legislating body to discuss what he said on cannabis and ecstasy being less harmful the legal drugs.
Bluefish
27-01-11, 10:35 PM
I saw a programme where the guys was growing his own because he said that the dealers sprinkle very fine ground glass onto the buds when they are sticky to make them weigh more once the buds are dried thus increasing their profit. Off course inhaling powdered glass probably isn't that good for your lungs. I'm surprised the Government hasn't legalised and licenced it so that a spliff costs £28 of which £23 is tax.
Agree, if it was legal the government would make money, it would stop the smuggling, and they wouldn't have to spend money on trying to catch the bad men growing the stuff, students mainly ;)
Legalise the lot from smack to plant food then tax the **** out of it and give the money to the system and not the bankers.
It's like any other drug once abused it ruins lives, but at least you have a choice.
The only problem is everyone will be growing it to sell.
personally think alcohol is worse than weed.
Bollox to the student comment you aint gonna last long if you can't do your assignments it's booze students are bad for.
It's mainly single moms in council houses that grow it for gangster wannabie Joe Dakkis.
andrewsmith
27-01-11, 10:39 PM
Anyone know anyone that got into a fight stoned?
Anyone know anyone that got into a fight stoned?
No the anger comes when they run out! fact
But would it make the government money? It would just have to be pumped back into the NHS and mental hospitals. It could increase crime rates (i.e driving offenses) and lead on to 'harder' drugs.
andrewsmith
27-01-11, 10:51 PM
No the anger comes when they run out! fact
True.
But would it make the government money? It would just have to be pumped back into the NHS and mental hospitals. It could increase crime rates (i.e driving offenses) and lead on to 'harder' drugs.
Oh so you think the law makes a difference to the uses.
Most of the governments income goes to the bankers as thats who they work for nowadays not us.
I was watching a documentary with Howard Marks the other night and he basically said the same thing, only difference was he was stoned while he was saying it. Isn't it.
I was watching a documentary with Howard Marks the other night and he basically said the same thing, only difference was he was stoned while he was saying it. Isn't it.
Mr Niceguy! he should know he supplied 80% of the UK through the 70s/80s and they can't touch him nowadays as he knows the legal system.
Hmm a difficult one, legalise then government will tax heavily. So it will just go underground just like illegal cigs or red diesel for that matter. I don't think it will get rid of any crime... The damage is done and unfortunatly is pandoras box ... Just like most things!
That is all ... Out
Anyone know anyone that got into a fight stoned?
yes but generally no
No the anger comes when they run out! fact
just like alcoholics and tobacco smokers.
But would it make the government money? YES
It would just have to be pumped back into the NHS and mental hospitals. just like alcohol and tobacco which BTW are two of the biggest drains on the NHS, there is no proof that cannabis causes mental health problems and it was the media who miss quoted Dr Nutt.
It could increase crime rates (i.e driving offenses) just like alcohol and lead on to 'harder' drugs. the only reason it leads to harder drugs are threw shady dealers 'i havent got any hash but here try this'.
unlike alcohol and tobacco cannabis is not physically addictive.
Drumming_Animal
27-01-11, 11:19 PM
Well holland seem to be alright, as far as i know... (havnt looked into it though so cant back it up)
I saw a program a couple of weeks ago and it came up with statistics saying how many people in the UK do it, and its pretty suprising.
If anything the government could save money if they dont make it, think of all the operations and raids at silly o clock in the morning, they have to pay people for that, most likely increased salaries aswell. But walk around the right (or wrong) places and its not hard to know someones got some just by smell. I was a postie for a bit and half of the people i delivered to were smoking it, you could smell it going past their front doors
STRAMASHER
28-01-11, 07:49 AM
Was over for the GP at Jerez and was surprised at the amount of tokers skinning up around us. Or the fellas walking past cops with a bottle of J&B and a fat cone on the go.
The ex-pat we were with told us in Andalucia you are allowed to grow yer own, up to two plants.
How progressive.
The bikes must sound even better! Like....wow!
have a listen to this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI
-Ralph-
28-01-11, 08:57 AM
I saw a programme where the guys was growing his own because he said that the dealers sprinkle very fine ground glass onto the buds when they are sticky to make them weigh more once the buds are dried thus increasing their profit. Off course inhaling powdered glass probably isn't that good for your lungs. I'm surprised the Government hasn't legalised and licenced it so that a spliff costs £28 of which £23 is tax.
Legalise the lot from smack to plant food then tax the **** out of it and give the money to the system and not the bankers.
It's like any other drug once abused it ruins lives, but at least you have a choice.
The only problem is everyone will be growing it to sell.
personally think alcohol is worse than weed.
Bollox to the student comment you aint gonna last long if you can't do your assignments it's booze students are bad for.
It's mainly single moms in council houses that grow it for gangster wannabie Joe Dakkis.
Hmm a difficult one, legalise then government will tax heavily. So it will just go underground just like illegal cigs or red diesel for that matter. I don't think it will get rid of any crime... The damage is done and unfortunatly is pandoras box ... Just like most things!
That is all ... Out
Agreed with Slinky, you will still have the illegal black market because the government will tax the hell out of it. It's not like petrol going up 10 or 20p a year, if the cost of a spliff jumped from a couple of quid to 28 quid overnight, nobody would buy it legally.
timwilky
28-01-11, 09:46 AM
I watched the programme last night.
There were a few mixed messages, Lots say it is not addictive, yet there was one young lad giving the impression he was desperate to dump the habit and claimed he was addicted.
I thought it lacked any real detail about the paranoia and aggression caused by cannabis abuse. Yes I have seen at first hand how it can seriously mess with heads. It may "calm" some whilst they are smoking the stuff. But they are extremely violent soon after.
As an ex user of the stuff. I think the current skunk types have ruined the possibility of it ever being legitimised in this country. A bit of leb or rocky in my day would have been a quite night and a restful sleep. Poor kids today are off their trees.
-Ralph-
28-01-11, 10:01 AM
A bit of leb or rocky in my day would have been a quite night and a restful sleep. Poor kids today are off their trees.
+1, nearly everyone I knew at Uni was a toker, I only saw paranoia or aggression in one or two people, and usually the same people who turned in to :toss: 'ers after a few drinks
yorkie_chris
28-01-11, 10:04 AM
I know a few people who do it, I don't see the fuss. If I want a 'buzz' I'll go and do a hundred and daft mph on the bike or throw myself off a rock wall somewhere, if I want to mong out then I'll go down the pub and throw a gallon or 2 down my neck. Simples.
Pedrosa
28-01-11, 10:10 AM
I smoked the occasional fatty when in my teens and 20's. In truth I preferred a beer. My boy spent around 4 years smoking it non stop with his buddies. Here it is more socially accepted although still illegal. Cannabis does damage brain cells and to some degree is addictive.
When my boy decided he wanted to follow a military career he knew that this involved random drug screening, therefore he stopped. I was amazed at the stupidity of some of his colleagues who, when given their first pass out during basic training, went off and smoked dope and some even snorted cocaine! Monday morning apparently saw 5 or 6 leave basic training rather than go through the drug test which was to follow their weekend off.
My boy has admitted that he was a jerk who lived in a constant stupor with no motivation at all. He apologised to me for how he must have been during that period. Being a professional seaman, he is now happy to party using alcohol but not to excess.
As some of you know, I was a heavy weed smoker for 10 years. I still have the occasional one now.
I think that program missed a huge point. Age...
As a teenager, your mind is expanding, your self concious as it is, who you are, what others think, are you cool etc. Its the way it is at that age. Your brain is hugely developing, and if you start smoking weed at a early teen age, the paranoia will really screw you up, hence the major mental issues the kids get.
Start when your old, and these issues do not happen. Sure there will be the odd on who has a bad reaction, but people react badly to bread, dairy, nuts, so ????????
I think there are more smoker than the government is aware of.
I would have smoked less if I could have gone to a coffee shop at the weekend, probably wouldn't have smoked it during the week then.
Yes it does make you paranoid, fact. But like everything thats fun, there is a drawback and a negative. Moderation is the key. You don't go out on your bike and ride it as fast as you can everywhere. You will either get caught, or die. But if you ride sensibly, and have the occasional "blat" your at much less risk, and enjoy it more when you wind it open. Same principles. The people who turn into drug lord aggressive knife weilding nutters, have issues in the head, that have nothing to do with weed. There are deeper issues, and the weed is an excuse for their actions.
The police have the wrong attitude. How many of them home growers simply wanted to avoid dealing with chavs, who sell you dodgy weed, and like said, you don't know where your money is going, or what its funding. Every single weed smoker I still know would rather pay a little more, but without the illegal activites.
Sure it makes you subdude, paranoid, lazy. But as long as you stay on top of things, and only do it in moderation when you have nothing to do, there is nothing wrong with it.
As for addiction, no weed itself is NOT an addictive drug despite what a 14 yo may say :lol: The whole process of rolling, the routine, and the TOBACCO used is addictive, but then if you could afford to smoke a pure green all the time, you would. There are elements that are addictive, but weed.skunk itself is not.
I have goen cold turkey numerious times, and other than the sweats at night as it exits your system, there is no "addictive must have must have" like you have with tobacco, alchol, or other substances.
I think i've written this at least 10 times over the years of being on this forum. Many of my friends who do smoke, are earning £40K plus now, at 29/30 years of age. In fact, one of them, is a super LIUNIX coder, a high level manager, and earns close on £60k per year. He smokes every night, has done for a least a decade. Thinks his lowest point was when he stopped weed for a while, and started drinking wine on an evening (which has now stopped). Far far worse.
maviczap
28-01-11, 10:15 AM
Agree, if it was legal the government would make money, it would stop the smuggling, and they wouldn't have to spend money on trying to catch the bad men growing the stuff, students mainly ;)
Like Ralph & Slinky said, if it was legalised and tax, there would still be smuggling, because the tax would be so high, as is the case with cigarettes now.
Although the Dutch are often quoted as the liberal pathfinders in this area, you'd be suprised to know that they are less & less tolerant of the 'coffee shops', as they have a new policy of 'active extinction'. When a coffee shop closes, then they don't allow it to reopen as a 'coffee shop'.
I guess they're fed up of being the centre of the dope tourism industry for Europe and the criminality the goes with the business. If it was going to be taxed the Dutch would have tried it first. So no way is it going to happen here
STRAMASHER
28-01-11, 10:19 AM
Should be de-criminalised for possession in this day and age.
Let the cops get on with doing more worthwhile work. Free up the courts and the jails.
Small or on the spot fines if caught in public. "There's your slap on the wrist." Confiscate the gear for the Policemans ball. ;)
I know plenty of folk who did not realise they were just addicted to cigarettes, nothing else.
For the record I stopped at 23. Happy but lethargic days. Although I'll never knock back a coupla tokes at festies or rallies. But I usually will need to go lie down and listen to some good music after the initial two draws dunt.
Wheres the "sleepy" eyed smilie?:confused::lol:
Actually its more a case of huge pressure from the EU to adopt the non smoking policey indoors. A lot of Amsterdams tourist economy is through people wanting to come, and try a "cake" or a muffin or even smoke a joint.
That is unless you know someone high up in the Holland government who's told you this information direct, otherwise, I wouldn't believe that.
Although i've not been there for 5+ years now and the laws are tougher, due to the EU. But I have visited many many many times.
Wideboy
28-01-11, 10:27 AM
I'd kill for a spliff right now
SoulKiss
28-01-11, 10:37 AM
Oh so you think the law makes a difference to the uses.
Most of the governments income goes to the bankers as thats who they work for nowadays not us.
Passes the tinfoil hat...
maviczap
28-01-11, 10:44 AM
Actually its more a case of huge pressure from the EU to adopt the non smoking policey indoors. A lot of Amsterdams tourist economy is through people wanting to come, and try a "cake" or a muffin or even smoke a joint.
That is unless you know someone high up in the Holland government who's told you this information direct, otherwise, I wouldn't believe that.
Although i've not been there for 5+ years now and the laws are tougher, due to the EU. But I have visited many many many times.
Coffee shop policy is effective: number
of shops steadily decreasing
The number of
coffee shops in
the Netherlands
is decreasing.
There were 702
coffee shops in
2007, but this
number fell to
666 in 2009.
This is probably
due to the
discouragement policy a number of cities have
introduced over the past years. The closure of many
more coffee shops is expected once the intended
government measures come into effect. Many
municipalities already apply a so-called extinction
policy, which means that coffee shops that closed
are not substituted by new coffee shops.
(Source: The monitor of Intraval research bureau)
Yes, and why is this happening?
As i've just said, the EU directives about smoking, and smoking inside. Don't allow the coffee shops to re-open, puts the EU into a happier mood that Amsterdam is doing something about it.
They won't close them all, it'll force it more underground and illegally, hence causing the dutch police a lot more work.
maviczap
28-01-11, 11:00 AM
They won't close them all,
Yep
maviczap
28-01-11, 11:07 AM
As i've just said, the EU directives about smoking, and smoking inside. Don't allow the coffee shops to re-open, puts the EU into a happier mood that Amsterdam is doing something about it.
They won't close them all, it'll force it more underground and illegally, hence causing the dutch police a lot more work.
Sorry its not EU directives, but a plan to stop the Drug Tourism
speedplay
28-01-11, 01:20 PM
Until the government work out how to market the taxable benefit of canabis, it will stay illegal.
Wait until the find a way to gain revenue from it and see where it leads.
Sorry its not EU directives, but a plan to stop the Drug Tourism
Which will loose Amsterdam an absolute fortune in tourist trade.
hindle8907
28-01-11, 02:20 PM
fu(K it smoke a bucket ;)
Who sells weed in the SE then :lol: Don't let bluepete see this thread.
Acutally, I don't need numbers, but my mates could always do with them. Lets setup an org dealer directory :lol: (joking).
I can honestly say that I have never touched the stuff:smt083
maviczap
28-01-11, 02:54 PM
Which will loose Amsterdam an absolute fortune in tourist trade.
I think they think its a price worth paying. There's more to Amsterdam than 'Coffee shops'
I think they think its a price worth paying. There's more to Amsterdam than 'Coffee shops'
yep, thar be hookers :joker:
Bluefish
28-01-11, 03:23 PM
I think they think its a price worth paying. There's more to Amsterdam than 'Coffee shops'
what tulips, as well?
speedplay
28-01-11, 03:23 PM
yep, thar be hookers :joker:
You need to pay for sex?! :confused:
im pretty sure tulips are hollands main export,
maviczap
28-01-11, 03:29 PM
what tulips, as well?
Yep, I like'Tulips from Amsterdam' played on my organ :D
MattCollins
28-01-11, 03:30 PM
You need to pay for sex?! :confused:
We all pay one way or another... It is a lot less complicated when the price is set up front.
speedplay
28-01-11, 03:30 PM
Tulips from Amsterdam on my organ :D
Now theres an image I dont want in my head :(
maviczap
28-01-11, 03:32 PM
Now theres an image I dont want in my head :(
Too late its in there (lots of space to run around) ;)
Is Cannabis the same plant as marijuana?
What's this salvia stuff is that the same?
I think they think its a price worth paying. There's more to Amsterdam than 'Coffee shops'
Indeed, but a vast majority of the tourist trade IS about that, as you can't do it anywhere else in Europe legally, so has a high attraction rate for the smokers of the world. Yes there are other things to do there, but manyn go for that reason, and if not for that reason specifically, they may just want to try.
I.E all these ladies on a weekend away. We watched them for 10 minutes to get the bottle to go buy some special cake.
http://images40.fotki.com/v1248/photos/4/48802/6485980/Image0195-vi.jpg
maviczap
28-01-11, 03:56 PM
Indeed, but a vast majority of the tourist trade IS about that, as you can't do it anywhere else in Europe legally, so has a high attraction rate for the smokers of the world. Yes there are other things to do there, but manyn go for that reason, and if not for that reason specifically, they may just want to try.
I.E all these ladies on a weekend away. We watched them for 10 minutes to get the bottle to go buy some special cake.
We'll they'll just have to go to California and get a prescription for some 'herb' in the future ;)
maviczap
28-01-11, 04:03 PM
Indeed, but a vast majority of the tourist trade IS about that, as you can't do it anywhere else in Europe legally, so has a high attraction rate for the smokers of the world. Yes there are other things to do there, but manyn go for that reason, and if not for that reason specifically, they may just want to try.
I.E all these ladies on a weekend away. We watched them for 10 minutes to get the bottle to go buy some special cake.
Besides basing your business plan on one product is bad planning, should the bottom fall out of the market, especially with the amount of home grown about, the price of diesel, extra airport duty, volcanic ash, Ryanair price increases.
It all adds up and stops your customer base from coming over.
So spread the risk a bit and diversify :smt064
Towards the end, I never flew over there. Cheaper, and faster to train/ferry and drive over there. Esp if your car is 4 up.
hindle8907
28-01-11, 04:39 PM
Is Cannabis the same plant as marijuana?
What's this salvia stuff is that the same?
lol no salvia is just something you try just for the experience its legal and costs a bomb and not something you would smoke regularly, you need to smoke lots of it in a bong to get any effect I had it years ago when i was about 18 and at £20 for a tiny bottle of the stuff I wont be buying it again get about 3 smokes of one bottle. its just a really funny feeling which wares off after about 3-5 minutes its nothing like being stoned.
Totally different stuff to weed hard to explain.
I dont smoke any thing anymore btw
Biker Biggles
28-01-11, 05:55 PM
I think they think its a price worth paying. There's more to Amsterdam than 'Coffee shops'
There's always dykes to stick your finger in.:)
maviczap
28-01-11, 06:13 PM
There's always dykes to stick your finger in.:)
Lol :p
-Ralph-
28-01-11, 06:41 PM
We all pay one way or another... It is a lot less complicated when the price is set up front.
:winner:
Milky Bar Kid
28-01-11, 06:41 PM
There's always dykes to stick your finger in.:)
I just choked on my cuppa tea...:lol:
Bluefish
28-01-11, 06:58 PM
I just choked on my cuppa tea...:lol:
something you want to tell us MBK ;)
speedplay
28-01-11, 07:04 PM
something you want to tell us MBK ;)
She likes tea...?
Milky Bar Kid
28-01-11, 07:05 PM
She likes tea...?
Yeh.. I don't get what else my comment said to be honest!:scratch:
speedplay
28-01-11, 07:07 PM
Yeh.. I don't get what else my comment said to be honest!:scratch:
Could be that you dribble with a mouthfull...:rolleyes:
Milky Bar Kid
28-01-11, 07:26 PM
Eww.....
Hey milky what do you think about de-criminalising cannabis to take the stress off the police, or is it a good way of stopping people to find potential criminals?
I know there's a lot of people that party and/or enjoy an after dinner biff but we all should of seen the shady side to the dealers.
I just think it would be nice if mrs bloggs from the chippy and her husband mr bloggs who is a school teacher would not be counted as criminals for enjoying a smoke before sex lol ok now to send this er er
maviczap
28-01-11, 09:55 PM
Hey milky what do you think about de-criminalising cannabis to take the stress off the police, or is it a good way of stopping people to find potential criminals?
I know there's a lot of people that party and/or enjoy an after dinner biff but we all should of seen the shady side to the dealers.
I just think it would be nice if mrs bloggs from the chippy and her husband mr bloggs who is a school teacher would not be counted as criminals for enjoying a smoke before sex lol ok now to send this er er
To save MBK the trouble of finding her post
Ha Eccies and LSD least damaging....that's because on LSD you die from jumping out a window....lol!
I personally don't like cannabis because I have watched family members and friends mental health deteriorate - in almost exactly the same way with the paranoia and things. I have also watched people who use cannabis to try and escape their problems end up moving onto to harder drugs and ruining their lives.
Almost every single heroin addict I have ever spoken to (which is quite a lot) has told me that their downfall was cannabis. That's not me saying that everyone who smokes cannabis is gonna end up on heroin, not saying that at all, however, it is a stepping stone for people with the right problems and things.
Drugs legislation will never be perfect. It is impossible to legislate it in order to keep everyone happy.
It was debated at length in this thread
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=159278&highlight=weed&page=4
No still doesn't answer the question about police time waisted or links to other crimes you read my posts!!! lol
Milky Bar Kid
28-01-11, 10:14 PM
To be fair Smudge...you're posts actually don't make that much sense.
andrewsmith
28-01-11, 10:16 PM
To be fair Smudge...you're posts actually don't make that much sense.
He's stonned :smt040
Couldn't resist smudge!
Sorry
Milky Bar Kid
28-01-11, 10:17 PM
No still doesn't answer the question about police time waisted or links to other crimes you read my posts!!! lol
And you didn't actually ask any of those questions.
Not a waste of Police time if it is against the law, at the end of the day it's what we are paid to do......:scratch:
And it is impossible to discuss the links to other crimes as there are FAAAAAAAARRRRRR too many variables involved in that.
Like I said it's impossible to have perfect drugs legislation to keep all sectors of the community happy....I'm not clever enough to even attempt to think about it oo much!
To save MBK the trouble of finding her post
It was debated at length in this thread
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=159278&highlight=weed&page=4
also was said this
Most people I know who smoke weed drank alcohol first. What does that make alcohol?
MBK, you really have to know the proportion of cannabis users that go on to do harder drugs like heroin to be able to say whether or not cannabis is a significant gateway drug. I don't think those figures are out there.
follow the thread,
and this
because lets say the percentage of cannabis users that go on to heroin is 0.1% or lets say it's 50%. There's a massive difference there which sheds a whole different light onto the effect of this drug in acting as a 'stepping stone' for harder drugs.
Just because 90% of the heroin users you've dealth with have done cannabis, doesn't mean too much. What percentage of the pot heads you deal with did alcohol first? __________________
yorkie_chris
29-01-11, 01:06 AM
The gateway thing is a load of sh*te. I know hundreds of people who I've been well and truly p*ssed alongside, none of them AFAIK are currently huddled in a bin liner after mugging your gran for a shot of heroin, I know tens of people who've tried weed, possibly a lot of weed, none of them are on crack either.
To be honest I just put it down to weak minded individuals looking to blame society, abuse, the system, the police, the NHS or anything other than their own sorry little feckless minds for their wallowing in their own crap.
And smudge as for the police needing an excuse to stop people, when the police actually start pulling over some of the 'stani blacked out motors stinking of weed out of every window then I'll count that as reasonable.
Milky Bar Kid
29-01-11, 11:49 AM
Can I say again, as I said several times on the other thread, that I am not calling cannabis a gateway drug. I am well aware that there are plenty, probably a high percentage of users, that do not go onto anything harder.
The gateway thing is a load of sh*te. I know hundreds of people who I've been well and truly p*ssed alongside, none of them AFAIK are currently huddled in a bin liner after mugging your gran for a shot of heroin, I know tens of people who've tried weed, possibly a lot of weed, none of them are on crack either.
To be honest I just put it down to weak minded individuals looking to blame society, abuse, the system, the police, the NHS or anything other than their own sorry little feckless minds for their wallowing in their own crap.
And smudge as for the police needing an excuse to stop people, when the police actually start pulling over some of the 'stani blacked out motors stinking of weed out of every window then I'll count that as reasonable.
Totally agree with the Gibbet street elite but when do the fuzz pull anyone over nowadays? we don't see them round here much probs cos there's no money in it and the speed cameras are making the cash.
Edit: I watched the programme mentioned in this thread and found it very mixed with the stories. I think people with mental health issues could make them worse with weed, but I also think some people need it both for medical grounds and to open their mind to how bad booze is compared to a bit of Thai stick.
The gateway thing is a load of sh*te. I know hundreds of people who I've been well and truly p*ssed alongside, none of them AFAIK are currently huddled in a bin liner after mugging your gran for a shot of heroin, I know tens of people who've tried weed, possibly a lot of weed, none of them are on crack either.
To be honest I just put it down to weak minded individuals looking to blame society, abuse, the system, the police, the NHS or anything other than their own sorry little feckless minds for their wallowing in their own crap.
And smudge as for the police needing an excuse to stop people, when the police actually start pulling over some of the 'stani blacked out motors stinking of weed out of every window then I'll count that as reasonable.
What that man said! :mrgreen:
philbut
01-02-11, 01:28 AM
Wow after reading all this I need a smoke ;-)
Nah, quit years ago. cant remember who said it, it was near the begining of the thread, but I think teenagers can over do it because there is no restriction like there is with booze. You get it off some dodgy feker who will just keep delling you the stuff. I don't agree with restriction of any personal freedom so long as it doesn't affect someone else - but kids (and I was one too) just don't know when to stop. Yes kids drink of course, but you can't do it all day every day.
I completely see why there is restriction on drugs as the law and police are unable (not a dig - its an impossible task) to control everyone all the time, so some people who are involved in drugs will go out and commit crime, and it's easier to ban it. not fair on responsible users but I guess its for the greater good. don't deal or carry too much and realistically you'll just get a slap on the wrist (although I do have a friend who spent 6 months at HMP for carrying a small quantity pills for personal use into a club - I lost all faith in the justice of our legal system then !)
(although I do have a friend who spent 6 months at HMP for carrying a small quantity pills for personal use into a club - I lost all faith in the justice of our legal system then !)
that's just bolIocks, how could that possibly benefit society. All that can happen in those 6 months for the chap is being introduced and around more mischief - and for what, carrying a substance intended to make his night a bit more enjoyable? Yeh because loadsa people don't do that!
punishment rarely does fit the crime! it goes from one extreme to the other.
Milky Bar Kid
01-02-11, 07:15 AM
that's just bolIocks, how could that possibly benefit society. All that can happen in those 6 months for the chap is being introduced and around more mischief - and for what, carrying a substance intended to make his night a bit more enjoyable? Yeh because loadsa people don't do that!
I'd suggest that there is faaaaaaaar more to that than meets the eye! NEVER heard of anyone getting that stretch who either hasn't been a lot of trouble prior or who has a LOT of pills for "personal" use.:rolleyes:
MattCollins
01-02-11, 08:02 AM
It is decriminalised here. There is probably very little benefit other than to reduce the on the burden the police and the courts with trivial amounts. The dealers keep dealing to school kids which is the thing that I find most objectionable. For that offence they should be put up against a wall.
yorkie_chris
01-02-11, 11:46 AM
that's just bolIocks, how could that possibly benefit society. All that can happen in those 6 months for the chap is being introduced and around more mischief - and for what, carrying a substance intended to make his night a bit more enjoyable? Yeh because loadsa people don't do that!
Wasn't it just in another thread that someone was sent down for a while for a bit of a naughty speed, where someone else who'd tried to kill someone on the roads got a smack on the wrist?
I think the judges and system in general are the ones who are off chasing the dragon at work.
philbut
01-02-11, 01:14 PM
I'd suggest that there is faaaaaaaar more to that than meets the eye! NEVER heard of anyone getting that stretch who either hasn't been a lot of trouble prior or who has a LOT of pills for "personal" use.:rolleyes:
No, high flying accountant in the city, no previous. BUT, a certain young lady called Liah Betts had recently died from taking ecstasy. Judge chose to make an example of him. Completely unfair. One family's life had just been ruined in tragic circumstances, so of course it made sense to ruin anothers by sending him down for posession??? The amount he had in his pocket was less than I used to take of an evening. He had no need to deal, he had pleanty of money.
I'll not go into any more detail as the chap in question is still (understandable) very upset by the whole thing, even years on.
I think the judges and system in general are the ones who are off chasing the dragon at work.
:mrgreen:too true!
yorkie_chris
01-02-11, 05:38 PM
Judge chose to make an example of him.
That's another mental thing, making an example of someone makes it more likely for others to try it. Them "making an example of" is just a way of saying "we can't afford to give everyone this harsh a punishment".
Other thing that p*sses me off is they punish people with something to lose more harshly,* despite them being generally good citizens, where the complete wastes of space get tapped on the wrist.
*Like speeding fines higher than some other tw*t who's just TWOC'd a car and run someone's Gran over.
*Like speeding fines higher than some other tw*t who's just TWOC'd a car and run someone's Gran over.
+1 to that. You watch those police programmes all the time when you hear what ultimately happened to the offenders by the end. Sometimes you hear people getting away with what I'd consider murders with what is ultimately a slap on the wrist and 'dont be a naughty boy again fella' - with poor mr happy pills sent away for 6months.
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