zx12r?

[barwel1992]

any one have any experiance with them? Reliable?

I thinking about getting one at the end of the year and keeping the sv as a track tool or winter hack

[Bluefish]

err, it's a big bike, fast, usually green, heard good things about them, hth :D

[Jackie_Black]

They look amazing, i'd have one but my licence would probably only last about 13 seconds. My ninja 600 went like a greased bullet so one of those must be incredible!

[Geodude]

Very nice indeed Dan, insurance could be heavy with your age group etc or have you had a secret lottery win. if you have i'll have one too ;)
Edit: Candy green or black please

[Biker Biggles]

Competant warp speed sport tourer with a phenominal appetite for tyres and fuel.You pays your money and you pays your money again.

[barwel1992]

lol cheers, age is against me but at least i have 3 years ncb soon.

No lotto win but wilk have a job npefullyn

[-Ralph-]

Go do a quote on confused.com and let us know the outcomes?

[Jimmy2Feet]

i was serously looking at the zx12r, but found such a good deal on the zzr12 that i went for that, also the mrs enjoys coming out so much the zzr made a little sence.

I think that they share the same engine, but the zx is tuned higher for more power. if that is the case it is a qualoty lump.

[Swin]

Second that about how much the insurance quote will be for you, seeing as everyone I know who is up for renewal is finding the premiums higher

[Bluefish]

recon you might get insurance for about 1k if your lucky, post up ;)

[andrewsmith]

zx12r i'd kiss your bank balance away, eats tires for fun, will cost an arm and shoulder to insure at your age and you'll lose your licene within about a month

[barwel1992]

been in london all day so havnt done a quote, on train atm, but did a quote for a k4 r1 that came out at 800 fc sv is 450atm with 2 yer ncb im prepaird to spend 5k on bike and insurance.

Asuming i get moneys

[mcgrimes]

Sv650 as a winter hack?

Remove him from the forums! ;)


Gsxr should be your next bike; only then should your SV be a winter hack!

[TazDaz]

Insurance is all witchcraft and as it's a fairly uncommon bike you might be lucky and find cheap(ish) insurance.

Bit of a heavy lump to chuck around. Other than the obvious boot load of power I don't see the appeal.

[rictus01]

unfortunately it was built with one thing in mind and it ended up missing that, Busa is faster, Blackbird/ZZR14 is more comfortable, any of the ltr Jap sports bikes are more flickable, never a big seller and there are valid reasons why not, shame really the couple I've had dealings with have looked well screwed together.

Unless you're just getting it to have something different, I wouldn't bother a ss6 will **** all over it on anything less that a clear highspeed blat.

Cheers Mark.

[hardhat_harry]

I overtook one at Oulton over Clay Hill on my SV, it was lying on its side on the side of the track, smoking

[dizzyblonde]

Big boys toy, not old enough for it yet Barwel hehehe ;)

[barwel1992]

Insurance is all witchcraft and as it's a fairly uncommon bike you might be lucky and find cheap(ish) insurance.

Bit of a heavy lump to chuck around. Other than the obvious boot load of power I don't see the appeal.

i like the look of them, have liked them since i was 9/10 ish one of those bikes that you wish you could have as a young lad same with the yamaha R7 (only the zx is about 10k cheaper than a r7)

unfortunately it was built with one thing in mind and it ended up missing that, Busa is faster, Blackbird/ZZR14 is more comfortable, any of the ltr Jap sports bikes are more flickable, never a big seller and there are valid reasons why not, shame really the couple I've had dealings with have looked well screwed together.

Unless you're just getting it to have something different, I wouldn't bother a ss6 will **** all over it on anything less that a clear highspeed blat.

Cheers Mark.

cheers, i wouldn't fit comfortably on a ss6 :/ obviously i need to try before i by suppose thats the only way i will know if i like it or not

Big boys toy, not old enough for it yet Barwel hehehe ;)

could still kill my self on the sv so the extra 100bhp mean's i would just be going faster ;)

i looked at some quotes (around 1.5k) but then though it would be stupid insuring both bike under separate insurance going to go and look at multi bike stuf

[-Ralph-]

i looked at some quotes (around 1.5k)

That's about 10x what I pay for the Daytona. Unbelievable, though I know there's plenty been quoted worse. You may be higher risk than me, but not 10x higher I would hope.

[barwel1992]

That's about 10x what I pay for the Daytona. Unbelievable, though I know there's plenty been quoted worse. You may be higher risk than me, but not 10x higher I would hope.

i agree but considering thats half the price of a £500 1.1 litre car id say thats ok (ish) :rolleyes:

[-Ralph-]

but considering thats half the price of a £500 1.1 litre car

WHAT!?! No wonder so many young folk are driving around with no insurance.

[Binky]

What are you doing thinking about ZX12s Barwell when there are Silverstone track days to be considered!?!? ;)

[Bluepete]

At the end of the day mate, if you like it, go get one.

It sounds like your dream bike, so just ignore the nay-sayers and enjoy some power!

Pete ;)

[barwel1992]

WHAT!?! No wonder so many young folk are driving around with no insurance.

hmm exactly

What are you doing thinking about ZX12s Barwell when there are Silverstone track days to be considered!?!? ;)

lol yes but this will be later in the year

At the end of the day mate, if you like it, go get one.

It sounds like your dream bike, so just ignore the nay-sayers and enjoy some power!

Pete ;)

ohh i have take in to account what people have said, i just need to try a bike of that size first to see weather or not i like it i might come away saying its rubbish and go for something smaller

[Binky]

I will congratulate you hole heartedly if you manage to get a little test ride on one before buying it...

I managed to test a CBR and Daytona 675 by the skin of my teeth just after i'd turned 21 only to get back from riding the 675 to be told actually i wasn't insured...

Guy just assumed i was 25 as i'd already tested a CBR.

P.S. Definitely get a 675 instead of a ZX whatever thing.

[barwel1992]

I will congratulate you hole heartedly if you manage to get a little test ride on one before buying it...

I managed to test a CBR and Daytona 675 by the skin of my teeth just after i'd turned 21 only to get back from riding the 675 to be told actually i wasn't insured...

Guy just assumed i was 25 as i'd already tested a CBR.

P.S. Definitely get a 675 instead of a ZX whatever thing.

haha where there's a will there's a way :p

[dizzyblonde]

glad you can afford all that money for insurance. This year I might not be able to afford to insure my bikes.....I'd like to know how you fund it....I'm in the wrong job! And thats for insurance of around 400 quid!


Its fine to want to try, and indeed to have something bigger, but with an insurance bill of that magnitude, I think you have rocks in yer head!

[Dicky Ticker]

Says somebody who has three bikes then moans about affording insurance:confused:

[yorkie_chris]

Get on track, straightlining is for girls and old people who daren't go near the floor.
You spend all that money on SV then don't go and see what it can do?

Good sports tourer but there are much better ones out there, even the old ZX6 does all that better. ZZR6 or 11 even better still.


Sure get one if you want one, but if it was a "heart" purchase then why are you asking us? Grow a pair :-P We are not going to justify your decisions when there are more sensible things to do, like burning large quantities of petrol, rubber and sliders going round in a circle for no reason. :-D

[dizzyblonde]

Says somebody who has three bikes then moans about affording insurance:confused:
Its not a moan...tbh MOST people find that their insurance is around 400 quid just for one bike, you and I are just lucky we are the old type:p Besides I have a nice big fat bonus coming from work when the insurance is due....ahhhfangyou Mr Wonka:cheers:

Insuring the three was the same as insuring the two last year, you forget I own all my vehicles outright, I save up the money from years of hard graft, and I don't buy on a whim, both Suzy and the VRap were bought from great pondering (The VRap took four years lol)..... Dave is going again this year, three wasn't supposed to be a permanent fixture as you know.

[barwel1992]

glad you can afford all that money for insurance. This year I might not be able to afford to insure my bikes.....I'd like to know how you fund it....I'm in the wrong job! And thats for insurance of around 400 quid!


Its fine to want to try, and indeed to have something bigger, but with an insurance bill of that magnitude, I think you have rocks in yer head!

i have a few apprenticeships lined up, thats how i will be able to afford it

Get on track, straightlining is for girls and old people who daren't go near the floor.
You spend all that money on SV then don't go and see what it can do?

Good sports tourer but there are much better ones out there, even the old ZX6 does all that better. ZZR6 or 11 even better still.


Sure get one if you want one, but if it was a "heart" purchase then why are you asking us? Grow a pair :-P We are not going to justify your decisions when there are more sensible things to do, like burning large quantities of petrol, rubber and sliders going round in a circle for no reason. :-D

id love to track the sv but i cant afford it to be off the road if i bin it, specially at the moment as im travelling to go and see race teams

ohh and my heart is not set on one, theres a few other bikes like tuono's, zx6r j2, zx9r in the same style zx636 2004 (although i bet that its to small for me) mt-01 so im no just set on the 12r

[yorkie_chris]

So buy a £500 GSXR750 to track and when you get bored enter streetfighter racing :)

[Reeder]

I give you a month before you crash a litre+ bike ;)

[barwel1992]

So buy a £500 GSXR750 to track and when you get bored enter streetfighter racing :)

now theres an idea :D

I give you a month before you crash a litre+ bike ;)

what's the difference between crashing the sv and a litre bike :confused:

[dizzyblonde]

what's the difference between crashing the sv and a litre bike :confused:

an even bigger insurance hike, and more expensive and rarer parts to repair it with :confused:

[Reeder]

what's the difference between crashing the sv and a litre bike :confused:

Exactly ;) but...

Perhaps the fact that you'll either be going a lot faster than you realise or that a handful of throttle on a litre bike coming out of a corner could easily land you in the doo doo in comparison to the SV.

[yorkie_chris]

None, just more plastics to explode on contact.
Or fact that you don't have to twitch your wrist much at high rpm to have a big highside.

I just don't see point of these hypersports bikes, except that they make good, effortless tourers on motorways if you have lots to spend on petrol and tyres.

[yorkie_chris]

an even bigger insurance hike, and more expensive and rarer parts to repair it with :confused:

He hasn't used any SV parts to repair his with anyway :mrgreen:

[barwel1992]

He hasn't used any SV parts to repair his with anyway :mrgreen:

exactly :D :smt115

Chris what do you think about a street fightered zx12r :mrgreen:

[dizzyblonde]

I just don't see point of these hypersports bikes, except that they make good, effortless tourers on motorways if you have lots to spend on petrol and tyres.

^^he secretly lusts after one, but is too 'Julian' to take Peg up on his offer of a go on the bus:p And no they're only expensive on tyres and fuel, if you don't use the warp speed drive button and ride like Mr Sulu;)
He also refuses to admit, that they also handle exceptionally well off a motorway

of course, Chris will always say this, as hes tighter than a gnats ar$e!

He hasn't used any SV parts to repair his with anyway :mrgreen:.

Lol, indeedy, but they're still 'readily available' parts:)

[yorkie_chris]

exactly :D :smt115

Chris what do you think about a street fightered zx12r :mrgreen:

Well if you're not man enough for a GSXR1100 then why not...

To be honest, what would be the point, it's a bike for mental speeds. Get rid of that and you've got an ugly muscle bike that you can never use anywhere near all the power as it will just wheelie or spin at any speed your neck can handle. Pointless. Maybe you want that though, hell some people have naked turbo bikes just for sh*ts and giggles.

Back to the original point of a streetfighter, if you crash the ZX12 and can't afford new panels then sure do it! But they are a bike that's better with a fairing

[barwel1992]

Well if you're not man enough for a GSXR1100 then why not...

To be honest, what would be the point, it's a bike for mental speeds. Get rid of that and you've got an ugly muscle bike that you can never use anywhere near all the power as it will just wheelie or spin at any speed your neck can handle. Pointless. Maybe you want that though, hell some people have naked turbo bikes just for sh*ts and giggles.

Back to the original point of a streetfighter, if you crash the ZX12 and can't afford new panels then sure do it! But they are a bike that's better with a fairing

haha i know some one with a mt-01 turbo naked

my tutor at college has a gsxr1000 bored out,ported and pollished,cammed,full system, re-welded frame, home made swing arm. and its a streetfighter and he says its just mental :p

and yeh can understand the need for fairings 120+ on the sv is bad enough cant imagine 185 :eek:

[Binky]

Definitely get a cheapy track bike instead of this tourer milarky.

Could get a nice one, insured, daytime MOT'd for half the price of your other plan. Keep the SV for the road and spend the remaining money on racing/track days for your new screamer bike.

Done!

[TazDaz]

cheers, i wouldn't fit comfortably on a ss6 :/ obviously i need to try before i by suppose thats the only way i will know if i like it or not

Wouldn't or can't. Have you tried? Not all of them supersports are uncomfortable. I'm more comfortable on my gixxer than I was on the SV.

could still kill my self on the sv so the extra 100bhp mean's i would just be going faster ;)



Errr...doesn't quite work like that more bhp doesn't just mean you'll be going faster in linear fashion. It's all about how you get there. Bit of hamfistedness (sp?) on the SV vs hamfistedness on a cruise missile is a bit different.

[barwel1992]

Wouldn't or can't. Have you tried? Not all of them supersports are uncomfortable. I'm more comfortable on my gixxer than I was on the SV.



Errr...doesn't quite work like that more bhp doesn't just mean you'll be going faster in linear fashion. It's all about how you get there. Bit of hamfistedness (sp?) on the SV vs hamfistedness on a cruise missile is a bit different.

have tried, the only 600 that i have sat on thats remotely comfortable is the j2 zx6r

and im not that ham fisted, and i would adapt to the bike obviously

[Bluefish]

1200's too mutch mate, 1050 now that's just about right, get yerself down to Triumph :D:D

[fizzwheel]

have tried, the only 600 that i have sat on thats remotely comfortable is the j2 zx6r

Have you tried a K4 / K5 GSXR ? Might fit you OK epecially if you are tall...

[dizzyblonde]

Have you tried a K4 / K5 GSXR ? Might fit you OK epecially if you are tall...


^^^^^AND hes talll ^^^^^


but not as tall as Dave Preston;)

[TazDaz]

K6/K7 GSXR is comfy for a 6'4" rider, but all personal preference.

Not trying to tell you what to do, but I reckon SV/sports tourer to zx12r/hyper sport is a massive jump. Yes a throttle goes both ways etc blah blah, but stick a supersports in between is probably best as that in itself is a big difference.

[barwel1992]

K6/K7 GSXR is comfy for a 6'4" rider, but all personal preference.

Not trying to tell you what to do, but I reckon SV/sports tourer to zx12r/hyper sport is a massive jump. Yes a throttle goes both ways etc blah blah, but stick a supersports in between is probably best as that in itself is a big difference.

but thats what people said when i went from a 50cc to a 660cc and i didn't kill my self, only a few blips on the way

never sat on a gixer older than a k10

how a bout a 2004 cbr1000rr i have sat on one and it felt ok although i was lent over quite far

[fizzwheel]

never sat on a gixer older than a k10

Then try one. I'm 6ft maybe a little over. I have long legs and my K5 is lovely and comfy, insurance might be in the same ball park as a 12r is though... so not sure you'd be gaining anything...

Cant comment on the blade as not tried one myself.

[TazDaz]

but thats what people said when i went from a 50cc to a 660cc and i didn't kill my self, only a few blips on the way

never sat on a gixer older than a k10

how a bout a 2004 cbr1000rr i have sat on one and it felt ok although i was lent over quite far

Buy one then! ;)

Gixers are known to be the more comfortable of the modern supersports, have a sit. You're welcome to sit on mine at sillystone if you make it in April.

[dizzyblonde]

I know I take the pee, but the only bit of advice I can give you is this.

Go sit on the bike of your desire, when I say sit, I mean sit on it and ask someone to hold it upright off the sidestand for you, whilst doing brum brum noises and you can get both feet on the pegs. If it don't feel as comfortable as an old pair of slippers, it ain't for you.

I say this because I've sat on so many bikes this way and every single one of them has had some sort of bone to be picked with, apart from the SVs of course, which is partially why I never went any bigger for so long, they all weren't for me.

I had the old VRaptor sat in my shed and my ex riding it for three years. I sat on it occasionally but never lifted it off the stand for long. There was always something drawing my attention. Then my attention was taken away by my ex telling me (and a few others) I'd never be able to handle one. The keys were there for the taking, but I never once took them.
One day before he took her away last year, he lifted her off the stand, and I got both feet on the pegs and I sat ...for a very long time. I've never got on with nakid bikes because of my knackered shoulders. She fit me like an old pair of slippers. She really was for me.,

So I got my own, and she fits like a glove, not only that, but shes a pussy cat. I can handle her, but I can see in the wrong hands she'd kill someone. I was also told by both my ex, and Peg that I'd need a screen, because over 70mph you get a good whack of wind that tries lifting you off. I can get it over 90 before that happens....because she fits, I can get her to 100 before I can feel what both my ex and Peg feel at 70...because shes like an old pair of slippers.....she fits my shape.

Buy a bike that fits you, then and only then will it be the bike for you. Its no good listening to those on here that say 'my mate let me have a go on his Daytona once, its the best thing on earth' because chances are.....you'll find it sh1te!

[orose]

On the GSXR front, I think it was the K7 1000 and K8 600/750 were the ones that were put on too hot a wash... I had feet flat on the floor on my K8 1000, and I'm nowhere near 6 feet.

[hongman]

You have too much money.

That is all

[dizzyblonde]

:smt115

I see a poll.......

....does Barwel have more money than sense?

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[yorkie_chris]

I had feet flat on the floor* on my K8 1000,

*And the rest of you

[Jimmy2Feet]

i was really impressed with the GSXR thou, i have been out on the k8 couldn't fault it, i am 6ft 2 nearly and found very comfey. only reason i didn't get one was i am not keen on the looks of them, and the mrs wasn't too keen on pillion position. but definatly cant complain on riding position etc.

Might not be as refined a sports bike at some of the others, but it is a lot more bike than 99% of people will ever want to use on the road! and that is a fact.