Motorway cops

[Ed]

Usual inadequates with no insurance fined all of £150 when the premium would be ten times that, Romanian fraudsters released on bail who then don't show up to court so why let them out on bail in the first place, lots of police time spent in filling in countless forms and sorting out all the liars, at what expense...

If this really is the life of the average traffic cop then I'm glad I'm not one:rolleyes: Can one of our police officer members please tell me that it isn't like that - please - but I think I know the answer.... :(:(:(

[brennan]

Usual inadequates with no insurance fined all of £150 when the premium would be ten times that, Romanian fraudsters released on bail who then don't show up to court so why let them out on bail in the first place, lots of police time spent in filling in countless forms and sorting out all the liars, at what expense...

If this really is the life of the average traffic cop then I'm glad I'm not one:rolleyes: Can one of our police officer members please tell me that it isn't like that - please - but I think I know the answer.... :(:(:(

I was approached by romanians a few months back who were doing that scam. They go to petrol stations with pay at pump, and will fill your tank to the top for £20 with a cloned card. Hence their sat nav full of garages.

Told them where to eff off back to and informed the garage. Doubt anything will have been done mind

[husky03]

sorry Ed mate but it is like that, paperwork and the rights of the accused are killing off any hope that justice will be done

how can someone with over 50 previous convictions for violence and drug possession be allowed bail when they have continued to offend while on bail??

romanian shoplifting gang, caught redhanded but when it goes to court the following day case admonished??-WTF

CRIME DOES PAY

[Ceri JC]

Yes, at the risk of sounding like a Daily Mail reader, the program makes my blood boil. The main thing is the sentences dished out, specifically that they always seem to commit really bad offences then get away with less than I did, for a harmless bit of speeding that hurt nobody (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=67989).

Worst one I saw was a tool in a stretched limo was pushing it on the motorway, in a section of roadworks with only a line of cones as a central reservation. He lost control and skidded into the oncoming lane and had a head on with another vehicle. Through some miracle, his own passengers (who said he was going too fast) were not seriously injured. The chap clearly should have bought a lottery ticket as the vehicle he hit was a large van/people carrier and for that reason alone, the occupants were not killed. If it had been a bike he'd hit, they'd have almost certainly died. If it had been a car he'd hit, it would have been very likely they would have come off a lot worse too. IIRC, he got made to attend a "driver education course" and didn't even get any points.

Note to legal system: A stretched limo doing the speed limit through a bend is considerably more dangerous than a small car speeding in a straight line, even if one is technically illegal and the other is not. When it goes wrong, punish them accordingly...
*Slaps forehead*

[beabert]

Thats precisely why i couldn't do the job of a police officer, all that hard work for no justice.

[L3nny]

What made me laugh was the Black guy who got pulled over whilst on the phone's description of people from Birmingham.

Cant argue with that.

On a serious note the sentances dished out were crazy, the guy causgt pulling a trailer with no lisence got 6 points!! I am sure that's gonna stop him!!

[Specialone]

What you saying about brummies ?:smt019
The guy with the trailer was a pikey.

[andreis]

I was approached by romanians a few months back who were doing that scam. They go to petrol stations with pay at pump, and will fill your tank to the top for £20 with a cloned card. Hence their sat nav full of garages.

Told them where to eff off back to and informed the garage. Doubt anything will have been done mind

As a Romanian, I should probably shed some light on this type of event:
1. It's highly likely that those were gypsies, as they represent a fair part of the criminal element that comes with Romanians that "work" in other countries.

2. I'm not quite the nationalistic type and I'll tell right now that most of us are uneducated, badly mannered and do not understand common principles modern societies. More so, a large part of the ones that emigrate to other countries take part in this category.

The causes for all of these problems are diverse and it would take long to discuss this, so I'll skip it.

In the defense of my co-nationals, you should know that if you meet a Romanian nurse / qualified worker in general, they will most likely not be subject to the previous categorization, as they have most likely left the country by way of an ensured job (done so upon proving proper education).

[brennan]

As a Romanian, I should probably shed some light on this type of event:
1. It's highly likely that those were gypsies, as they represent a fair part of the criminal element that comes with Romanians that "work" in other countries.

2. I'm not quite the nationalistic type and I'll tell right now that most of us are uneducated, badly mannered and do not understand common principles modern societies. More so, a large part of the ones that emigrate to other countries take part in this category.

The causes for all of these problems are diverse and it would take long to discuss this, so I'll skip it.

In the defense of my co-nationals, you should know that if you meet a Romanian nurse / qualified worker in general, they will most likely not be subject to the previous categorization, as they have most likely left the country by way of an ensured job (done so upon proving proper education).

Didn't mean for myself to come out quite that way, I wasn't generalising all Romanians. Fully appreciate the qualified people coming over to work, but when criminals do come and they skip bail I wonder about our authorities sometimes.

I know, having been arrested in two foreign countries before (spain and czech republic, both minor offences) I wasn't treated leniently at all. However after seeing the "punishments" handed out over here, I don't understand the difference.

[speedplay]

Thats precisely why i couldn't do the job of a police officer, all that hard work for no justice.

That and the fact they probably wont be recruiting for the next 10 years..

[speedplay]

What you saying about brummies ?:smt019
The guy with the trailer was a pikey.

So are most brummies....



;)

[Specialone]

Bolox you webbed foot boy from Northampton :)

[speedplay]

Bolox you webbed foot boy from Northampton :)


Worse than that mate, North Devon ;)

[Specialone]

Worse than that mate, North Devon ;)



http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx225/specialone0055/facepalm.jpg

[maviczap]

Bolox you webbed foot boy from Northampton :)

Worse than that mate, North Devon ;)

Either side is bad :p

[The Idle Biker]

A personal view but one based on experience, the Court/ trial process hasn't moved with the real world. It's hopelessly beuracratic, out of touch with the populus and worked by lazy judges and lazy administrators. If you've ever been involved in a trial, the courts will actually function for about 4 hours /day, never work weekends and never ever produce the documentation they say they will. I **** em!. Rgds Mr Angry.

[beabert]

New one on at 9pm

[yorkie_chris]

CRIME DOES PAY

Aye but at least we're safe from all these evil baby killing speeders eh :smt082

[Bibio]

A personal view but one based on experience, the Court/ trial process hasn't moved with the real world. It's hopelessly beuracratic, out of touch with the populus and worked by lazy judges and lazy administrators. If you've ever been involved in a trial, the courts will actually function for about 4 hours /day, never work weekends and never ever produce the documentation they say they will. I **** em!. Rgds Mr Angry.

and its a closed shop. how can a judge be classed as an equal when he/she is not voted in by the public to which they are supposed to be serving. they are appointed by the same system they serve which to my knowledge is a private organisation run by public funds and governed by the government. if the public in a given area decided by majority that they no longer wish to have a police force then that said police force would have to disband. this would give rise to the courts having to close as there would be no organisation to uphold the law.

but what i heard may be a rumour.

[Lozzo]

Was this the programme with Bedfordshire Police in the starring role?

I've seen some bits and pieces on facebook about it - I'll catch up on the replay on the channel's website before making any further comment because I haven't seen it yet

[brennan]

Was this the programme with Bedfordshire Police in the starring role?

I've seen some bits and pieces on facebook about it - I'll catch up on the replay on the channel's website before making any further comment because I haven't seen it yet

Yeah Bedfords finest. Including a copper who first of all couldnt keep up with a suspect as he was fasting for ramadan, then later on let a chav on scooter (who he had suspicions on being ****ed) get away from him

[Sir Trev]

Clarkson is right - we are so crap at these sorts of TV programmes. Compared to other countries where the cops ram the "perps" off the road, shoot at them, beat the snot out of them with a night stick, proper chases, tasers... A diesel Astra with our coppers held back by PC rules and paperwork is never going to compare!

[beabert]

The cop fasting should either eat or take unpaid leave, ridiculous.

[timwilky]

The cop fasting should either eat or take unpaid leave, ridiculous.


I have to agree, if he is unfit to work he is a danger to himself, his colleagues and the public. No different to being unfit through any other action such as drink/drugs.

If his bosses wish to accommodate this sort of PC requirement, then he should be roistered for duty outside of daylight hours or desk duty. That way his action or lack of, would not impede his ability to work appropriately.

[Owenski]

I have to agree, if he is unfit to work he is a danger to himself, his colleagues and the public. No different to being unfit through any other action such as drink/drugs.

If his bosses wish to accommodate this sort of PC requirement, then he should be roistered for duty outside of daylight hours or desk duty. That way his action or lack of, would not impede his ability to work appropriately.

Spot on Tim, not a false word in that IMO

[Bedhead]

Cheer up, at least your cops don't sit doing nothing whilst hundreds of people riot, all the time a huge water cannon lorry is sitting 100 yards away doing nowt, it's not the cops' fault, it's the idiots we have for government over here.

[Lozzo]

Well, I've watched it now and it saddens me to say, dear orgers, that it has become very apparent why I still have a clean licence despite riding and driving like a complete nobber every day. My local police force really are quite sh1te, aren't they?

Lets all give Bedfordshire Police a hearty round of applause for a good job badly done, or a bad job done well - take your pick.

[Nelson]

The cop fasting should either eat or take unpaid leave, ridiculous.

Would that not be racially prejudiced? You try saying that to anyone and you'll end up out of the job and your pension down the drain...

[Nelson]

:smt084I have to agree, if he is unfit to work he is a danger to himself, his colleagues and the public. No different to being unfit through any other action such as drink/drugs.

If his bosses wish to accommodate this sort of PC requirement, then he should be roistered for duty outside of daylight hours or desk duty. That way his action or lack of, would not impede his ability to work appropriately.

More racial bigotry, Excellent! Again, you try saying that to anyone, in any workplace and you'll find yourself in a world of ****. There are many things that explain why folks manage to evade the police, and if you put every one of them on desk duty as a result, you wouldnt find a cop on the street, though I dare say you could do better. He's only human, not robocop!

On an aside, I, just like every other cop in the country, have gone countless shifts without food or sustainance. Does that mean everyone should be removed from frontline duty? I don't eat when I'm on nightshifts, but I do during the day. How is that different from not eating during the day and only eating at night?

I really wish people could see what the police actually do, day in and day out before criticising them.

[Lozzo]

I really wish people could see what the police actually do, day in and day out before criticising them.

They sit in my shop drinking tea and coffee waiting for the radio to bark at them :-)

I've known Martin Lent, who appears on that programme since he was 16 years old, riding a scabby moped like a loon, and then on a RD125LC doing even worse. He's not a bad bloke, even if he was a bit of a twonk as a teenager and fair play to him, he grew up and did something worthwhile with his life. That TV programme really did show Beds Police to be an utter shambles though, but that's something us local motorcyclists have known for years.

[Bluefish]

Spot on Tim, not a false word in that IMO
********, if he's unfit for work, then he's unfit, not stick him on the night shift, what no crimes after dark :rolleyes:

[Bluefish]

:smt084

More racial bigotry, Excellent! Again, you try saying that to anyone, in any workplace and you'll find yourself in a world of ****. There are many things that explain why folks manage to evade the police, and if you put every one of them on desk duty as a result, you wouldnt find a cop on the street, though I dare say you could do better. He's only human, not robocop!

On an aside, I, just like every other cop in the country, have gone countless shifts without food or sustainance. Does that mean everyone should be removed from frontline duty? I don't eat when I'm on nightshifts, but I do during the day. How is that different from not eating during the day and only eating at night?

I really wish people could see what the police actually do, day in and day out before criticising them.
what a load of crap, if he is using the excuse of fasting for ramadan, than that is making himself unfit for duty, if however it's cos he's a lazy fat ****er, and couldn't run for a bus then your standards are too low, going without food during day light hours don't mean you can't run.
How often do the police do fitness? :rolleyes:

[Bedhead]

:smt084

More racial bigotry, Excellent! Again, you try saying that to anyone, in any workplace and you'll find yourself in a world of ****. There are many things that explain why folks manage to evade the police, and if you put every one of them on desk duty as a result, you wouldnt find a cop on the street, though I dare say you could do better. He's only human, not robocop!

On an aside, I, just like every other cop in the country, have gone countless shifts without food or sustainance. Does that mean everyone should be removed from frontline duty? I don't eat when I'm on nightshifts, but I do during the day. How is that different from not eating during the day and only eating at night?

I really wish people could see what the police actually do, day in and day out before criticising them.

No danger of the PSNI fasting during nightshift, they're always in the 24hr Tesco or outside the kebab shop.

But the point still remains, if you leave yourself unfit for duty because you're fasting then you're still neglecting your job, assuming he couldn't run because of lack of foot and not just being a porker, if it's because he's just unfit generally, maybe he should hit the treadmill a bit.

[timwilky]

:smt084

More racial bigotry, Excellent! Again, you try saying that to anyone, in any workplace and you'll find yourself in a world of ****. There are many things that explain why folks manage to evade the police, and if you put every one of them on desk duty as a result, you wouldnt find a cop on the street, though I dare say you could do better. He's only human, not robocop!

On an aside, I, just like every other cop in the country, have gone countless shifts without food or sustainance. Does that mean everyone should be removed from frontline duty? I don't eat when I'm on nightshifts, but I do during the day. How is that different from not eating during the day and only eating at night?

I really wish people could see what the police actually do, day in and day out before criticising them.


Racial bigotry my @rse. I have a number of muslim friends who fast for ramadam, pray several times a day (even at work) and it doesn't stop them doing their job.

The guy on this program made out that he had to stop and vomit because he was running on an empty stomach as he was fasting. I have not made any racial comments about this. Firstly since when has being a muslim been a race issue? My comments are that he has deliberately made himself unfit for duty. Nothing here has a racist undertone. I have even stated how he could continue to do his job whilst observing his fast and be an effect police officer. I think you have taken one too many political correction courses and looking for racial discrimination where it does not exist.

As I have said, I have muslim friends, I visit their homes, know their wives and have sat at their table and eaten. If I had a problem with their religion do you think I would socialise with them, drink with them etc. You need to get off your high horse, stop trying to fob off valid comment about a police officers inability to do his job as racial discrimination and accept that perhaps an enlightened employer might actually make allowances for an employee's religious observance whilst they are unable to work 100% effectively.

[beabert]

On an aside, I, just like every other cop in the country, have gone countless shifts without food or sustainance. Does that mean everyone should be removed from frontline duty? I don't eat when I'm on nightshifts, but I do during the day. How is that different from not eating during the day and only eating at night?

For 30 days in row on purpose without any logical reason?


I really wish people could see what the police actually do, day in and day out before criticising them.

How did he critise them? He critised one, and rightly so :rolleyes:

[Nelson]

You have insinuated that he is unfit for duty, due to the sole reason of his religious belielfs, - fasting for Ramadam. If someone came to me and said that they were restricting me from duty solely because of that, I would still see it as prejudiced.

I applaud the guy for joining in the first place. Goodness knows the police need more diversity in their recruits.

Perhaps you should tell one of your Islamic colleagues that he's not allowed to stop work and pray any more as it's interfering with his producivity and see how he would react?

I wouldn't dare comment on your ability to do your job, so what makes you qualified to criicise this man? Armchair critics galore here....

[Nelson]

I have to agree, if he is unfit to work he is a danger to himself, his colleagues and the public. No different to being unfit through any other action such as drink/drugs.

If his bosses wish to accommodate this sort of PC requirement, then he should be roistered for duty outside of daylight hours or desk duty. That way his action or lack of, would not impede his ability to work appropriately.

For 30 days in row on purpose without any logical reason?



How did he critise them? He critised one, and rightly so :rolleyes:

Perhaps you should look up the purpose and reasons for fasting during Ramadan? Are you suggesting you should remove him from his duties for that entire 30 days? Or just restrict him from speaking to the public? Or perhaps we should tell him not to bother coming in at all?

Either way, the fact remains that an employer cannot discriminate on these basis, without it being seen as prejudice.

[metalmonkey]

I applaud the guy for joining in the first place. Goodness knows the police need more diversity in their recruits.



Really more diversity? When I joined I ticked one of the so called "diversity" boxes I got nothing but S*** for it. The police service is keen to take people on for that reason but when you get there they are unwilling to help and they when it doesn't work blame that person but that seems the police way and their attitude well...

One thing that should happen for sure is that there should be fitness test every six months for every officer for all ranks, there are so many fat cops its joke! I worked with one guy that was so fat his stab vest would no longer zip up. Most activity they do in a day is feeding... What use is fat mofo that can't even run? They are unfit for duty without question.

[Nelson]

I'm all for fitness tests, though the reason that they dont is, like the army, fire service etc which all do, they would have to provide work time and facilities to do fitness training, which they won't.

With budgets already stripped to bare minimums as it is, the chances of introducing more costs and man hours to monitor all that is slim.

[metalmonkey]

I'm all for fitness tests, though the reason that they dont is, like the army, fire service etc which all do, they would have to provide work time and facilities to do fitness training, which they won't.

With budgets already stripped to bare minimums as it is, the chances of introducing more costs and man hours to monitor all that is slim.

It should be down to the officers to do their own fitness training, i'm sure people be like that will cost money, I don't have time I know plenty of people who manage to do it own their own time and work. If you want the job you should do it. If officers are unwilling to do it, then they should get another job.

[Bluefish]

It should be down to the officers to do their own fitness training, i'm sure people be like that will cost money, I don't have time I know plenty of people who manage to do it own their own time and work. If you want the job you should do it. If officers are unwilling to do it, then they should get another job.

It's called getting the sack, for being unable to do your job, However this officer has shown the race card and blamed it on ramadan.

[Milky Bar Kid]

********, if he's unfit for work, then he's unfit, not stick him on the night shift, what no crimes after dark :rolleyes:

Point of sticking him on nightshift is that on Ramadan you only fast during daylight hours, meaning he can eat on nightshift and presumably be fit for duty.

[Bluefish]

yeah then he'd be eating all night instead of working, won't work ;)

[Milky Bar Kid]

yeah then he'd be eating all night instead of working, won't work ;)

Lol! I'm keeping outta this argument....

And Nelson, I have to do a yearly fitness test due to a specialism and I don't get any gym facilities provided to me!

[metalmonkey]

And Nelson, I have to do a yearly fitness test due to a specialism and I don't get any gym facilities provided to me!

I found video of said test;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USLM0PBqIZY

[Milky Bar Kid]

Erm...yeah. Funny.

[Bluepete]

I found video of said test;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USLM0PBqIZY

That's the test we use in traffic!

Wiggum failed, he walked away. Traffic cops only drive.

Pete;)

[Nelson]

It should be down to the officers to do their own fitness training, i'm sure people be like that will cost money, I don't have time I know plenty of people who manage to do it own their own time and work. If you want the job you should do it. If officers are unwilling to do it, then they should get another job.

Of course there will always be people like that.

The fact still remains that if it were to become a role requirement to be of a certain level of fitness, and remain at that level, the employer would have to make some concessions to provide it. Just like the armed forces do PT etc. That's why the police dont do continuous assessment.

There are already fitness requirements during recruitment, though the required levels in England and Wales are pathetically low if you ask me.

MBK, yup, I've passed every fitness test in my service without issue as well, and PSU, firearms etc wont be a problem, however, the force still wont make it a basic role requirement due to the added complications it brings.

[Nelson]

It's called getting the sack, for being unable to do your job, However this officer has shown the race card and blamed it on ramadan.

Do you do his job?

If not, try running after someone wearing trainers and a tracksuit. Whilst wearing 12kgs of body armour and equipment whilst wearing boots trousers fleeces and waterproof jacket, and perhaps you might have some issues as well...

[metalmonkey]

That's the test we use in traffic!

Wiggum failed, he walked away. Traffic cops only drive.

Pete;)

LOL i like that:D

[metalmonkey]

Of course there will always be people like that.

The fact still remains that if it were to become a role requirement to be of a certain level of fitness, and remain at that level, the employer would have to make some concessions to provide it. Just like the armed forces do PT etc. That's why the police dont do continuous assessment.

There are already fitness requirements during recruitment, though the required levels in England and Wales are pathetically low if you ask me.

MBK, yup, I've passed every fitness test in my service without issue as well, and PSU, firearms etc wont be a problem, however, the force still wont make it a basic role requirement due to the added complications it brings.

I think a lot of you hide behind this, if your were in the private sector you wouldn't last a week thats if you were hired. Its quite simple if you your not up to the job you don't get hired so any kind of prep work is done in your own time, unpaid. If you want to do the job that bad, then thats what you should have to do.

I don't see any reason why there is an unfit fat cop, whilst its gives us all something to laught at there aren't much use.

[The Basket]

Have to agree.

If a police officer finds running in boots and 12kg of body armour bad medicine then quit.

Problem solved.

[Nelson]

Bashing head against brick wall much? I've said my bit. You armchair critics can say what you want, I'll still turn up every day and do my best. I get the feeling it'll still never be good enough...

[davepreston]

Do you do his job?

If not, try running after someone wearing trainers and a tracksuit. Whilst wearing 12kgs of body armour and equipment whilst wearing boots trousers fleeces and waterproof jacket, and perhaps you might have some issues as well...
lmfao
no i wore full ofsprey armour ,rifle 1000 spare gimpy rounds some mortars and enough kit to survive a week in a 58 degree desert
please tell me your having a fecking giraffe

[davepreston]

lack of sustance due to religous grounds that makes you incapable of your job is your choice, so therefore the bloke in question should have been on leave or not in the job
simple

[Teejayexc]

lmfao
no i wore full ofsprey armour ,rifle 1000 spare gimpy rounds some mortars and enough kit to survive a week in a 58 degree desert
please tell me your having a fecking giraffe



...and that was just on a night out ! :safe:

[metalmonkey]

Bashing head against brick wall much? I've said my bit. You armchair critics can say what you want, I'll still turn up every day and do my best. I get the feeling it'll still never be good enough...

Been there got the t-shirt moved on, but I really feel alot of you are so clueless hence why you wouldn't last in the real world. My peak fitness is over and above any required fitness level it isn't hard you just have to want it. Thought your above commet so sums up the attitude of cops in this country.

[xXBADGERXx]

lmfao
no i wore full ofsprey armour ,rifle 1000 spare gimpy rounds some mortars and enough kit to survive a week in a 58 degree desert
please tell me your having a fecking giraffe

Carrying the water alone is a heroic effort

[Bluefish]

As per dp's post, if you think for 1 second that 12kg is a lot of weight to run with, mebe it's time for a job in IT.

[Nelson]

lmfao
no i wore full ofsprey armour ,rifle 1000 spare gimpy rounds some mortars and enough kit to survive a week in a 58 degree desert
please tell me your having a fecking giraffe

I bet you trained during work hours for that though ;-)

To be fair, most of the time that the police run, is a full tit sprint after someone, usually with not much notice or preperation. They usually even have a headstart...

Anyway, like I've already said, armchair bashing is easy. If you can do better, feel free to join up and prove it. I still take pride in my job and wouldnt do anything else.

[xXBADGERXx]

Yeah , that makes it all fine , training in a British camp with a 30 degree difference

[beabert]

Lol! I'm keeping outta this argument....

And Nelson, I have to do a yearly fitness test due to a specialism and I don't get any gym facilities provided to me!

I think there should be :D free too.

[Lozzo]

I wouldn't dare comment on your ability to do your job, so what makes you qualified to criicise this man? Armchair critics galore here....

I think the criticism is entirely justified. The muslim officer in question has, by his own admission, rendered himself unfit to do his job properly. Were he in any other job any manager worth his salt would recognise that this is the case and rearrange his shifts so that he is able to comply with his religious fast and do his job properly. Being a Police officer doesn't change anything, he's still a man whose job is affected by his eating pattern. By rearranging his shifts his senior officer is actually embracing diversity by making it easier for the muslim officer to do his job and uphold the letter of his religion.

It's not a race issue as muslims are not in themselves a race, it's a man management issue and making best use of the manpower available to an already stretched police force.

[thulfi]

They lost the suspect cos forest sheltered the helicopters thermal imaging.

It was a young hoodlum that outran him. Even the dog couldn't pick up the scent. Nowt to do with his vomming.

[metalangel]

Grrr, ad just on for one of these shows and my colleague has got my back right up by saying 'pfft, cops aren't heroes, they're just doing their job.'

[Lozzo]

They lost the suspect cos forest sheltered the helicopters thermal imaging.

It was a young hoodlum that outran him. Even the dog couldn't pick up the scent. Nowt to do with his vomming.

Just spoken to my sister, who is a special in the force shown on TV. She says everyone who's seen it thinks the same as those on this forum who are slating the muslim officer for wimping out and his bosses for not moving him to night shifts. Apparently the force are pretty ashamed of the way they performed on that programme and questions are being asked.

[Lozzo]

Grrr, ad just on for one of these shows and my colleague has got my back right up by saying 'pfft, cops aren't heroes, they're just doing their job.'

You need to look up the dictionary definition of 'Hero' and stick to it.

According to modern culture anyone who puts on a uniform is a hero, which is utter cobblers and seriously devalues the truly incredible feats performed by those I would call proper heroes.

A run of the mill copper is not a hero, nor is a soldier, airman, marine, sailor, firefighter or paramedic - they are just doing the job that they knew could be risky when they applied for it. When they go beyond their remit by doing something extraordinarily risky or dangerous to their own life in order to save the lives of others, then they have earned the accolade.

[Lozzo]

They lost the suspect cos forest sheltered the helicopters thermal imaging.

It was a young hoodlum that outran him. Even the dog couldn't pick up the scent. Nowt to do with his vomming.

You can repeat you view all you like, the fact remains the officer was seriously unfit to do his job, and had he been fitter he would have stood a better chance of carrying on the chase. As it was he couldn't run any further and sat at the side of the woods puking his guts up - what a joke. The later chase after the restricted Gilera DNA50 (yes, that's all it was, we have seen that bike in our shop) was another shambles. He followed that bike on normal roads (two of them very wide) for about 3 miles in a 3.2 litre Vectra and couldn't or wouldn't overtake but let the bike go down an alleyway he knew was there and that he pretty much knew the bike would head for? Another joke.

The force itself is at fault for not recognising that muslim officers will fast during daylight hours of Ramadam and taking appropriate action to ensure they are fit enough to carry out their duties properly when on shift.

[Bluefish]

You need to look up the dictionary definition of 'Hero' and stick to it.

According to modern culture anyone who puts on a uniform is a hero, which is utter cobblers and seriously devalues the truly incredible feats performed by those I would call proper heroes.

A run of the mill copper is not a hero, nor is a soldier, airman, marine, sailor, firefighter or paramedic - they are just doing the job that they knew could be risky when they applied for it. When they go beyond their remit by doing something extraordinarily risky or dangerous to their own life in order to save the lives of others, then they have earned the accolade.
Yep, what he said.

[Bedhead]

Bosses son joined the PSNI, after the Patten report was published and the experienced officers were given huge payoffs and pensions to retire, the need to recruit more catholics was so great, many candidates who were less than prime physical speciemans were recruited if they ticked the right boxes.By the time the guv's kid joined up, they were "actively encouraged" to make full use of the gym at the training college. If you look at the officers recruited in the past couple of years, a fair few are fit as butchers dogs and built like brick lavatories.

[brennan]

You can repeat you view all you like, the fact remains the officer was seriously unfit to do his job, and had he been fitter he would have stood a better chance of carrying on the chase. As it was he couldn't run any further and sat at the side of the woods puking his guts up - what a joke. The later chase after the restricted Gilera DNA50 (yes, that's all it was, we have seen that bike in our shop) was another shambles. He followed that bike on normal roads (two of them very wide) for about 3 miles in a 3.2 litre Vectra and couldn't or wouldn't overtake but let the bike go down an alleyway he knew was there and that he pretty much knew the bike would head for? Another joke.

The force itself is at fault for not recognising that muslim officers will fast during daylight hours of Ramadam and taking appropriate action to ensure they are fit enough to carry out their duties properly when on shift.

I concur. I don't know the specifics for a police pursuit of a motorbike but surely there must be some planned way of stopping them. Or, as said, the nearest alley will provide a getaway

[Nelson]

You can repeat you view all you like, the fact remains the officer was seriously unfit to do his job, and had he been fitter he would have stood a better chance of carrying on the chase. As it was he couldn't run any further and sat at the side of the woods puking his guts up - what a joke. The later chase after the restricted Gilera DNA50 (yes, that's all it was, we have seen that bike in our shop) was another shambles. He followed that bike on normal roads (two of them very wide) for about 3 miles in a 3.2 litre Vectra and couldn't or wouldn't overtake but let the bike go down an alleyway he knew was there and that he pretty much knew the bike would head for? Another joke.

The force itself is at fault for not recognising that muslim officers will fast during daylight hours of Ramadam and taking appropriate action to ensure they are fit enough to carry out their duties properly when on shift.

I take it you're pursuit trained as well then? We can't chase bikes in our force full stop. In a pursuit of a bike, you will never try and 'get in front'. I suggest one does ones homework, or do the training before spouting such nonsense!

There's a massive difference between someone getting away from you, and not 'doing your job'. Every cop will have had people get away from them and it's never criticised.

[Lozzo]

I take it you're pursuit trained as well then? We can't chase bikes in our force full stop. In a pursuit of a bike, you will never try and 'get in front'. I suggest one does ones homework, or do the training before spouting such nonsense!



As highlighted. You're north of the border, things are different up there as are certain aspects of law.

Beds Police do 'get in front' and have done so on many occasions recently - whether this is in contravention of procedure is neither here nor there, it happens on a regular basis in my area. I speak to roughly 5 or 6 traffic officers a week in my job, all have backed this up. They used this tactic about 50 yards from our shop about a month ago to stop a stolen moped, so I know for fact it does happen.

[Nelson]

Ok Lozzo, you obviously know better than the officer in this clip from your chats with the traffic officers that come into your shop. I also get the impression that if I said something was white, you'd say it was black! ;-)

I know for a fact that ACPO guidelines on police pursuits states that tactical options should not be used on motorbikes or quads due to the increased vulnerability of riders, though you obviously know better than I it seems.

It might take a fatal collision and a cop getting prosecuted for his actions until someone learns though.

[Lozzo]

Ok Lozzo, you obviously know better than the officer in this clip from your chats with the traffic officers that come into your shop. I also get the impression that if I said something was white, you'd say it was black! ;-)

Not at all, I just don't like people preaching from a position of ignorance. You may be a copper, but you're a long way from where we are and haven't a clue how things are done in this area. Police will overtake a moving bike in Bedfordshire, it's frequently done and officers I've spoken to have backed this up because I thought it was a no-no too.

I know for a fact that ACPO guidelines on police pursuits states that tactical options should not be used on motorbikes or quads due to the increased vulnerability of riders, though you obviously know better than I it seems.

You've seem to be having trouble what the word 'guidline' means. I'll let you google it so I don't cause embarrassment. Do ACPO guidlines also state that ramming motorcyclists is not advised, because we've seen a bit of that happening on "out with the police" programmes too.

It might take a fatal collision and a cop getting prosecuted for his actions until someone learns though.

Personally I won't shed a tear for anyone who doesn't stop when directed to by the Police and gets killed as a result. You make a decision to run, you are also making a decision to possibly have your liberty cut short or lose your life. Harsh I know, but I think the police are held back too far by political correctness and the rights of the criminal to be able to do a proper job. It's about time harder tactics were employed and the rights of the victim given some priority. I didn't feel the slightest pang of sadness towards that burglar who was stabbed to death recently - I felt sad that someone who would have been an innocent victim of that scumbag will now become the accused.

[Nelson]

Not at all, I just don't like people preaching from a position of ignorance. You may be a copper, but you're a long way from where we are and haven't a clue how things are done in this area. Police will overtake a moving bike in Bedfordshire, it's frequently done and officers I've spoken to have backed this up because I thought it was a no-no too.

I think as I'm actually in this job, and have pursued bikes (or not as the case may be, I do have a better idea, and I'm by no means speaking from a position of ignorance. Road traffic law is the same all over the UK, its just policy that differs, from ACPO or ACPO(S) accordingly. Of course, what you've 'been told' knows better though.



You've seem to be having trouble what the word 'guidline' means. I'll let you google it so I don't cause embarrassment. Do ACPO guidlines also state that ramming motorcyclists is not advised, because we've seen a bit of that happening on "out with the police" programmes too. Ignoring how ****ing personally rude and patronising that was, I'll just clarify my post. I meant ACPO policy, not 'guidelines'. Policy dictates what is authorised and what is not.

I cant ever recall UK police deliberately ramming being shown on TV.



Personally I won't shed a tear for anyone who doesn't stop when directed to by the Police and gets killed as a result. You make a decision to run, you are also making a decision to possibly have your liberty cut short or lose your life. Harsh I know, but I think the police are held back too far by political correctness and the rights of the criminal to be able to do a proper job. It's about time harder tactics were employed and the rights of the victim given some priority. I didn't feel the slightest pang of sadness towards that burglar who was stabbed to death recently - I felt sad that someone who would have been an innocent victim of that scumbag will now become the accused.Exactly, my thoughts are for the cops who would be investigated and prosecuted, not the dead man, though I dare say the family would disagree.

I'd prefer one to get away personally, than to needlessly risk the rider or anyone elses lives. The rider will come again, just like the rider in this clip did in fact!

[metalangel]

You need to look up the dictionary definition of 'Hero' and stick to it.

According to modern culture anyone who puts on a uniform is a hero, which is utter cobblers and seriously devalues the truly incredible feats performed by those I would call proper heroes.

A run of the mill copper is not a hero, nor is a soldier, airman, marine, sailor, firefighter or paramedic - they are just doing the job that they knew could be risky when they applied for it. When they go beyond their remit by doing something extraordinarily risky or dangerous to their own life in order to save the lives of others, then they have earned the accolade.

The ad in question was showing them doing extraordinary things, but I'd rather not have this argument again so I'm just going to leave it.

[Lozzo]

I cant ever recall UK police deliberately ramming being shown on TV.



We've seen it twice in the last two years on programmes like "Police, Camera, Action". One was definitely in the Manchester area.