Tax Disc Renewal.

[danf1234]

OK, I have been away a while with illness and a hospital stay.

I get my car and bike tax disc through the post together and today was the day.

I opened the renewal for the Audi and it has stayed the same, exactly as last year.

Then I opened the bike renewal for the SV and it has gone from £66 to £70.

WTF is that all about.

Obviously for my increased revenue I can expect immaculate roads and fuel price subsidies - Like fook.

[Stuuk1]

It's a charge for the hospital food you received, I hope it was very tasty...

[beabert]

up again! ffs

[kaivalagi]

Yeah I just forked out £70, it's unreal really...if anything HGV road tax should go up leaving motorcycles well alone, what damage can a motorcycle do to the roads compared to bigger vehicles...

[metalangel]

How do you expect them to pay for their illegal wars or give free houses to non-working illegal immigrants unless they put taxes up?

[amnesia]

Obviously for my increased revenue I can expect immaculate roads and fuel price subsidies - Like fook.


The key is in its name...VED. It's nowt to do with paying for roads. :(

[danf1234]

The key is in its name...VED. It's nowt to do with paying for roads. :(

The comment was tongue in cheek.

[embee]

Someone tackled their MP regarding the discrepancy between bike/car VED and got the reply that a few years ago the EU wanted all the countries to promote the use of smaller cars with better fuel consumption (aka CO2) so the UK Govt came up with the banding you now see. However there was no directive/encouragement to do anything with bikes since they were seen as being insignificant as far as total CO2 emissions were concerned, so our lot decided to keep on increasing the bike VED as usual ("because they could").

I'm not sure about the rest of the EU, but I believe France for example has no VED, and no equivalent of the MOT for bikes ("Controle Technique" on cars). We get shafted all ways.

[G]

smaller cars with better fuel consumption (aka CO2)


You shouldn't confuse CO2 with Fuel consumption. The new 850cc Fiat500 is the CO2 going, yet is sold on it's sporty credentials (and it is fun to drive) but it will not get 40mpg.

Plus they want you to use fuel... it's more money for them.

[embee]

CO2 emissions is fuel consumption by another name. When you burn hydrocarbon fuel it comes out as essentially CO2 and H2O, so CO2 is proportional to fuel used. The other hydrogen and carbon emissions in the form of HC and CO are so small that they can be ignored for all practical purposes in a modern vehicle (though it can make a slight error in direct proportionality due to the cold phase before catalyst light-up, but the effect is pretty small).

The bandings and CO2 "stickers" are according to results obtained from specific drive cycle tests required by the certification bodies.

Where it falls down is that the tests do not represent real life in many respects, so the certified values bear only slight relation to what an owner might achieve in service. This becomes particularly noticeable in the small high specific output boosted engines which when used in anger are pretty thirsty in relative terms.

The Government might want the fuel duty/tax revenue, but they've signed up to the CO2 reduction targets, so they're stuck.

[Jimmy2Feet]

£70 for SV? how does that work? my ZZR 1200 is only £70 for the year as well, and i only got my renewal through the post yesterday so that is current price! i was under the impression that CC differs the cost as well, and even if it dont, surley my 1200 would have a higher CO2 rating than the SV?!?

[Risenphoenix08]

Its nowt to do with CO2 on bikes. Its still worked out on engine CC
Motorbike tax bands as follows:
<150cc = £15
151-400 = £33
401-600 = £50
601+ = £70

so our SVs at 645 get stuffed in the same category as a 2300cc Triumph Rocket! Nice.

Bend over and assume the position people.

[kaivalagi]

**** isn't it...they really need to revise that pricing , would make more money and more sense with something like this:

<100cc = £15
101-400 = £25 <-- more from all those 125 L's
401-700 = £45
701-900 = £58
901-1100 = £70
1101+ = £80 <-- more from the big guzzlers