View Full Version : Hating feel of new brake pads
beabert
20-02-11, 08:06 PM
New pads = EBC HH
Old pads = two different unknown types
Old discs oem
New discs oem.
Just changed discs because mot is coming up. I also changed pads as the sets were mismatched.
Before the change my brakes were amazing, just touching the lever you would feel the front dip and a nice progressive brake. Now there is no instant biting feel at all, it just feels poor how ever hard i press, and its much easier to lock the front. I've never locked the front since owning it!!! This is my first pad change on a big bike, please say they will improve after a week or so, i hate them.
Infact it feels exactly the same as the two other bikes i've ridden, crap(to me). Maybe this is normal for HH pads?
New pads = EBC HH
Old pads = two different unknown types
Old discs OEM
New discs OEM.
-Ralph-
20-02-11, 08:08 PM
How many miles have you given them to bed in? Go easy on them until they do, you don't want to get them too hot yet.
beabert
20-02-11, 08:13 PM
How many miles have you given them to bed in? Go easy on them until they do, you don't want to get them too hot yet.
1. lol
Not bedded them in yet, only ever changed pads on a my 125 before and i didn't notice a difference at all from the go.
Staying in until its dry now, not using these in the wet. :smt040 I just wanted to see if they are always this crap when first changed before bedded.
-Ralph-
20-02-11, 08:21 PM
I just wanted to see if they are always this crap when first changed before bedded.
Well there can be a difference between different brands/types of pad and disk for sure, so it's difficult to say since you don't know what was in there before. But yes, new pads on new disks, in general don't perform as well until they are properly bedded in.
tim8061
20-02-11, 09:04 PM
You might want to read this recent thread on different pads
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=160471&highlight=brake+pads
hardhat_harry
20-02-11, 09:08 PM
Need to bed in about 20 miles should do it
beabert
20-02-11, 10:15 PM
Ive got a feeling there will be a full front set of ebc hh pads with 20 miles on going cheap soon lol.
just a thought.
did you clean the new discs with brake cleaner?
did you service the callipers before putting them back on?
beabert
20-02-11, 10:25 PM
just a thought.
did you clean the new discs with brake cleaner?
did you service the callipers before putting them back on?
Yep, calipers were originally done by me 7000mile ago, i pumped pistons out a tad today, cleaned the crap off and pushed them back in by hand. All looks well.
Ill see how they feel after 50 miles of normal riding, then put the old ones in to compare.
yorkie_chris
20-02-11, 10:27 PM
Did you brake cleaner the new discs though?
beabert
20-02-11, 10:34 PM
Did you brake cleaner the new discs though?
Yep i cleaned the discs spotlessly just before putting the calipers back on :)
I've actually found a lot of posts online with people in the same boat, they all went back to OEM after trying ebc HH and are now very pleased again. I'm guessing its a user preference thing, i really like having plenty of feedback through the lever.
-Ralph-
21-02-11, 08:52 AM
old pads were bedded onto the old disks putting them back in now wont feel the same.
hope they arent that bad, im putting new front EBC HH pads on the bike on saturday morning. but my current organic front pads are just feeling very soft and lazy at the minute, i know SV brakes suck but still shouldnt be this bad,
changed rear tho, but only went for organic on the rear so i dont lock up as easy
beabert
21-02-11, 06:44 PM
I didn't expect 5 miles of bedding in to make so a huge difference, after gentle braking whilst riding the initial bite is a lot better than before :-) Id say under harder braking it stops faster now. Few more miles and hopefully the feel ill be better too.
Davadvice
21-02-11, 07:40 PM
some comments here are a wee bit concerning and i'm not slating any one or being smarmy.
Never re-use old pads with new discs. and you cannot sell on used pads unless it's a total idiot who would buy them.
once pads have been used they shape to the contour of the disc thus the contact patch is maximised. if old pads are put on new disks they would reduce the contact area and could cause dammage to the new discs.
as said previosly if the pads are bed-in then they will work better. when i have replaced pads in the past the braking is usualy fainter that i would expect from normaly worn brakes. when they start to bed in the change is so small over a period of time that noticing it can be difficult.
also it could be that the compound on the EBC is not to your liking and you should try some OEM or another type of compound,
take it easy bedding them in some times i have seen ppl over eager and warping the disks.
cheers
Davie
timwilky
21-02-11, 07:49 PM
When I put EBC HH on my old SV, I found they lacked feel, but
They damm well stopped me quicker than the OEM. I found I changed my judgement away from how hard I was squeezing to how quick I was slowing down.
beabert
21-02-11, 08:13 PM
some comments here are a wee bit concerning and i'm not slating any one or being smarmy.
Never re-use old pads with new discs. and you cannot sell on used pads unless it's a total idiot who would buy them.
once pads have been used they shape to the contour of the disc thus the contact patch is maximised. if old pads are put on new disks they would reduce the contact area and could cause dammage to the new discs.
No ones advised me and i advised no one else. I suggested selling my new sets with under 5 miles on, any high points would quickly wear down after that mileage.
I personally would use my old pads on these discs, but this is on my own bike, I'm not so pedantic about it all when it comes to my things. I wouldn't advise others do the same. The same as i don't replace my helmet every time i drop it, i don't have matched front and rear tyres etc etc.
I'd never advise others to do these things.
beabert
23-02-11, 02:24 AM
As you can see i'm getting used to them :smt040
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yorkie_chris
23-02-11, 10:55 AM
Never re-use old pads with new discs. and you cannot sell on used pads unless it's a total idiot who would buy them.
:takeabow:
We swap wheels between bikes all the time on track and don't keep pads matched to them, don't see what the fuss is TBH. Unless people have 1/4" high spots on their discs, which if I'm honest is their problem not mine.
tim8061
23-02-11, 05:22 PM
Yeah it's just put around by stealers and manufacturers so you buy more! Why shouldn't a used pad bed into another disk just as easily as it beds in the first time? Load of b*llox!
hardhat_harry
23-02-11, 05:32 PM
I have wavy disks for the dry and standard for the wet using the same pads. On NEW pads it does take a little time for the pads to start working properly but once they are bedded in doesnt matter what set of wheel are in, they stop.
Obviously the Wavys are noticebly better than the standard but they dont have the poor stopping distances that the first few miles of new pads bring.
-Ralph-
23-02-11, 08:11 PM
Note: I just said that they wouldn't feel the same when he put them in as they did when he took them out, so he wouldn't be able to do an instant comparison between new and old that way. I didn't say it was a bad thing to do or that the old pads wouldn't bed in to the new disks.
Stonesie
23-02-11, 08:52 PM
If you were paranoid you could always wipe the old pads over some fine emery paper on a flat surface to make sure they are flat and glaze free;)
There is a sticky back sanding pad on the side of my toolbox for just such things, the front pads on the car get the occasional rub on it when they start squealing (usually after a track day)
Just for the record...
Never re-use old pads with new discs. and you cannot sell on used pads unless it's a total idiot who would buy them.
Rubbish :) and Even bigger rubbish :)
once pads have been used they shape to the contour of the disc thus the contact patch is maximised. if old pads are put on new disks they would reduce the contact area and could cause dammage to the new discs.
...and then wear in absolutely fine and would absolutely definitely NOT damage the discs unless there was so little meat left on the pad it was metal to metal.
as said previosly if the pads are bed-in then they will work better. when i have replaced pads in the past the braking is usualy fainter that i would expect from normaly worn brakes. when they start to bed in the change is so small over a period of time that noticing it can be difficult.
Again, rubbish. If they bed in like normal pads the difference would be noticeable mile by mile or even less.
also it could be that the compound on the EBC is not to your liking and you should try some OEM or another type of compound,
They're bedded in and he likes them.
take it easy bedding them in some times i have seen ppl over eager and warping the disks.
cheers
Davie
?? Where do you get this stuff from??
Please delete the "advice" part from your forum name ;)
On the minitwin bikes we swap wheels to wheel and pads to pads and go immediately Balls out. Never been a problem. Pads wear to the discs as you use them. It takes no time at all. And there are some very clever guys working in the companies that make them to make sure new pads (and old pads) don't warp discs.
C
beabert
23-02-11, 09:53 PM
They certainly do bed in quickly and the difference becomes apparent within few miles.
hardhat_harry
23-02-11, 10:06 PM
The only issue you may have going balls out with a new set of pads beside the lack of braking for a few mines is glazing the pads.
Never heard of disks warping.
hardhat_harry
23-02-11, 10:07 PM
Btw cheers for sort those tyres out Carl, you back now?
I use HH sinitered pads and when cold they are not all that graet. After getting a little heat in them they perform much better than oem in my opinion. However i only run them on the front as its hard to get a decent amount of heat into the rear on the road this time of year. As for hating the feel.....youl get used to it...like new boots :)
beabert
23-02-11, 10:26 PM
I use HH sinitered pads and when cold they are not all that graet. After getting a little heat in them they perform much better than oem in my opinion. However i only run them on the front as its hard to get a decent amount of heat into the rear on the road this time of year. As for hating the feel.....youl get used to it...like new boots :)
I agree. I've noticed they work better the faster your'e moving, that's another reason for my initial disappointment.
hongman
23-02-11, 10:28 PM
Seems like a good incentive to ride faster!
beabert
23-02-11, 10:30 PM
Seems like a good incentive to ride faster!
"Why were you going so fast?"
"To stop quicker officer"
Never re-use old pads with new discs. and you cannot sell on used pads unless it's a total idiot who would buy them.
I've never bought a set of used pads because I can afford to buy new ones when I need them, but just bear this in mind - every used bike you buy has a set of used brake pads fitted, but how often do you remove them and check they are 100% ok before riding your 'new to you' bike on the road?
I've had a similar argument with fools who say you should never buy used brake calipers.
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