Who 'ere is lactose intolerant?

[hongman]

And knows of a decent "alternative" shop?

I've never been an overly sweet person (hehe) but ever since I have developed this intolerance, I stand and gaze at the choc's and ice creams everytime I go shopping.

Tesco's do some alternatives but they taste like crap. And there's zero variety.

Online searches yield naff all.

I need to sate my thirst for ice ceam and choc. I'll probably remmeber why I didnt like it that much in the first place once I have tasted it but til then...

THE HUNT IS ON

[wyrdness]

I seem to remember the Swedish Glace (http://www.swedishglace.com/) dairy-free ice-cream being OK. My ex used to like it. Tescos used to sell it, but I haven't bought any in ages.

[hongman]

I bought that last week. It's ok I guess.

The milk free choclate buttons they sell are horrible.

...And thats about as far as Tesco go, in terms of variety.

I miss mint choc chip and nutty ice cream sundaes!

[metalmonkey]

Is that not a medication you can take so you can eat dairy? Someone I worked i'm sure they took something like this...he drank milk ect.

[wyrdness]

I bought that last week. It's ok I guess.

The milk free choclate buttons they sell are horrible.

...And thats about as far as Tesco go, in terms of variety.

I miss mint choc chip and nutty ice cream sundaes!

You're never going to get the full Cornish clotted-cream ice-cream experience with non-dairy alternatives. The Swedish Glace is probably about as good as it's going to get.

Most plain chocolate is dairy free. I believe that After Eights are too.

Got any vegan friends? They're always very clued-up about non-dairy products.

[hongman]

Is that not a medication you can take so you can eat dairy? Someone I worked i'm sure they took something like this...he drank milk ect.

I asked the Phmarcist this only a few days ago, and he said no. I'd be interested in what your friend takes...!

You're never going to get the full Cornish clotted-cream ice-cream experience with non-dairy alternatives. The Swedish Glace is probably about as good as it's going to get.

Most plain chocolate is dairy free. I believe that After Eights are too.

Got any vegan friends? They're always very clued-up about non-dairy products.

What makes you say most plain choc is dairy free? Pretty much everything I lay my eyes on has milk in it. All the big names anyway, Cadbury, Nestle, etc.

No vegan friends I'm afriad!

[LankyIanB]

Hi, have had with this for about 20 years. I know what Casey Stoner went through a couple of years ago. I was so ill my employer prepared all the death in service paperwork, though they didn't tell me until after I made the discovery that milk was what was making me ill and started getting better. Doc's were bloody useless....

Anyway - you'll be surprised what you can still eat. Just because it says contains milk doesn't mean it'll always have an effect. However, only test out one thing at a time, you'll soon work out if you react to it. The bad news is that it can take a week or so to get back to normal if you do react....

Milk, cream, ice cream are a complete no.

You may find that you're ok with hard cheeses, but not with soft cheeses such as cottage cheese.
Chocolate isn't a problem for me, but if you're offering, plain is preferred.... > 80% if possible

Alternatives -

Milk - You can get Lactose Free milk from most major supermarkets. I don't bother with it, but my wife uses it.
Ice Cream - only thing I've found is Coconut Milk Ice Cream
Cream/Custard etc - if you can be bothered, find a kosher shop, they have some reasonable alternatives as you can't have meat and milk in the same meal. So they're very good at non-dairy puds. Most supermarkets have alternatives but I can't be bothered to try all of them as I've got used to "dry" puds. Some of the soya creams are quite nice though.

There was very little around in the way of alternatives when I first found I had this and I've got used to dry puds, you'll find that if you leave it a couple of months you'll forget what real dairy stuff tastes like and find the alternatives aren't so bad.

Ian

[Venom]

Not tried it as I'm not lactose intolerant, but I saw this at the supermarket and remembered her pitching her frozen dessert on dragon's den and it was good enough to get their investment.

http://www.worthenshaws-freedom.co.uk

[beabert]

you want lactase enzyme. you can get drops for milk too, drop some in, leave over night and you can drink as normal in the morning.

[hongman]

Anyway - you'll be surprised what you can still eat. Just because it says contains milk doesn't mean it'll always have an effect.

Really? I'm too pussy to try, becuase it puts me out for so long. I ate 1 ferroro roche a while ago and it put me out for a whole day, and serious discomfort for a couple more after!

If I read it has any milk in it I avoid it. "Milk" "Skimmed Milk" "Milk Powder" etc.

Milk, cream, ice cream are a complete no.

Yep.

You may find that you're ok with hard cheeses, but not with soft cheeses such as cottage cheese.

Not a great cheese fan anyway, but I discovered I can no longer eat Pizza. Cheese burgers from fast food places is a gamble. Sometimes I react and sometimes I dont, even with the same food from the same outlet.

Alternatives -

Milk - You can get Lactose Free milk from most major supermarkets. I don't bother with it, but my wife uses it.

Tried it, can drink it, but dont miss it (I only used to have milk in tea, thats about it - do black tea now)

Ice Cream - only thing I've found is Coconut Milk Ice Cream

Im trying to find one that has a bit of variety to it, most I can find are all plain vanilla or plain choc ;)

Cream/Custard etc - if you can be bothered, find a kosher shop, they have some reasonable alternatives as you can't have meat and milk in the same meal. So they're very good at non-dairy puds. Most supermarkets have alternatives but I can't be bothered to try all of them as I've got used to "dry" puds. Some of the soya creams are quite nice though.

Again, not a great pudding/cream fan, but thanks for the heads up.

There was very little around in the way of alternatives when I first found I had this and I've got used to dry puds, you'll find that if you leave it a couple of months you'll forget what real dairy stuff tastes like and find the alternatives aren't so bad.

I've been intolerant now for a few years, and although its not a MAJOR pain in the ass, recently I have started to get that craving for "real" stuff again, even though its never been a big (or even small) part of my diet before. Psycological I think!

Ian

Not tried it as I'm not lactose intolerant, but I saw this at the supermarket and remembered her pitching her frozen dessert on dragon's den and it was good enough to get their investment.

http://www.worthenshaws-freedom.co.uk

Will check that out, thank you.

you want lactase enzyme. you can get drops for milk too, drop some in, leave over night and you can drink as normal in the morning.

Also will be googling this. Surprised the pharmacist didnt mention this though. I wonder if its a supplement I can take, or if it has to be directly applied to food and left? That causes interesting issues for solid foods/frozen foods etc. Will check it out.

Getting somewhere! :smt051

[Quedos]

Why not make your own ice cream then if you miss it that bad. make take some hit and miss but surely if the produce it mass market you can do smaller versions??

Pm Lily she might help don't think she's lactose intolerant but she drinks that milk

[hongman]

Never even crossed my mind Q!

Could make it fun, get the kids involved and that, have a family afternoon making some up or sommat.

Great idea!

[SoulKiss]

Everyone put their hands up.

You see, cows milk, and in fact all milk, isn't really meant to be a "grown up food".

Some of us can handle it better than others tho.

Would suggest going to Covent Garden for some Baby Gaga (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12569011) but the council just banned it, AND it was about £14/shot.

[hongman]

Hmmmmm

I cant say I'd be tempted by that!

[wyrdness]

Everyone put their hands up.

You see, cows milk, and in fact all milk, isn't really meant to be a "grown up food".

Some of us can handle it better than others tho.


Not strictly true. According to this BBC article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12535647), some humans have evolved to be lactose tolerant. In farming communities where milk is an important food source, people are very tolerant to lactose. The article says that 99% of Irish people are lactose tolerant, whereas only about 5% of South-East Asians are.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Hong, you might be ok with some of the more expensive bars of chocolate, proper plain chocolate such as Green and Blacks and other varieties, tend not have much milk in them as they are about 80% cocoa....I don't have a bar at the moment (usually do) to check the list of ingrediants for you though.

[hongman]

Interesting. Something obviosly triggered the intolerance in me, becuase I was fine my whole life, then during the summer a few years ago I developed the intolerance over the space of about 2 weeks, and have since slowly gotten more and more sensitive to it.

MBK, I'll too wary to try anything that has ANY milk in it. Appreciate the suggestion though.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Yeh, no bother, what I am saying is that it is worth looking at them, cos I know some are suitable for Vegans, therefore must not have milk in!

I would have thought with the amount of people lactose intolerant and the amount of vegans there would be a semi-decent selection of dairy substitute stuff available to buy. I'm quite surprised there's not, it would drive me mad!

[hongman]

I would have thought with the amount of people lactose intolerant and the amount of vegans there would be a semi-decent selection of dairy substitute stuff available to buy. I'm quite surprised there's not, it would drive me mad!

EXACTLY my thoughts.

When I first searched online for some outlets, I was expecting to be inundated with results, only to find there were none!

[Venom]

Hong, you might be ok with some of the more expensive bars of chocolate, proper plain chocolate such as Green and Blacks and other varieties, tend not have much milk in them as they are about 80% cocoa....I don't have a bar at the moment (usually do) to check the list of ingrediants for you though.


I have a stash of G&B's 70% cocoa dark chocolate and 72% cocoa cooking chocolate. They both say organic whole milk powder at the end. Not sure about the 85%

[beabert]

Will check that out, thank you.



Also will be googling this. Surprised the pharmacist didnt mention this though. I wonder if its a supplement I can take, or if it has to be directly applied to food and left? That causes interesting issues for solid foods/frozen foods etc. Will check it out.

Getting somewhere! :smt051

You can get tablets, take one a certain amount of time before dairy etc. The milk drops makes things more convenient for tea and cereal.

I have some lactase drops left if you want them free, i used them once and realized its not the lactose in milk then upsets me lol.

[hongman]

I bought the tablets, just tried them out.

Took 1 before dinner which contained no milk. Ate a small ice cream after. That was about 10 mins ago and I can already feel the symptoms kicking in.

Gums and tongue feel itchy and swollen, stomach feels increasingly unstable and I'm salivaing like Im abour to puke it all up.

Off to lay down.

So disappointed.

[Electro]

Not good, hope u feel better soon Hong. I dont know what I would do if i couldnt eat something or other due to a reaction. Take it easy and GWS.

[beabert]

Where exactly did you get these tabs! lol what brand and how many did you take and the timing!? i seem to remember you have to take them a fair amount of time before dinner. It takes some experimentation mate. as long as the stuff you got is genuine, persevere it will work.

Unfortunately, too much acid can denature it,[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#cite_note-70) and it therefore should not be taken on an empty stomach. Also, the enzyme is ineffective if it does not reach the small intestine by the time the problematic food does. Lactose-sensitive individuals can experiment with both timing and dosage to fit their particular needs.Have you been diagnosed lactose intolerant by your GP? You may be sensitive to a certain protein, like me.

I feel guilty, i've give a orger the ****s lol.

[Fizzy Fish]

BTW the Arla range of lacto free stuff is pretty good - I can't tell the difference in taste with 'proper' milk (not like that soya crap!). They also do cheese and cream cheese, and a few brands do yoghurts.

I tried making dairy-free ice cream for my OH, but unfortunately noone does lactose-free cream yet. However you can find recipes online which use eggs and no cream to make gelato-style ice cream.

All of which is now making me want some ice cream for brekkie...

[hongman]

Hey eveyrone.

Recovered by this morning, so I think it did help a bit - with that kind of food I'd be out for at least 2 days normally.

After a bit of research I think I may be allergic to the milk proteins instead, or maybe as well as being lactose intorerant. Within 5 mins of eating that ice cream (boy was it good!) my throat, mouth and tongue were swelling up and itching. From what I read, LI only affects the digestive system and there's no way I could react that quick if its just down to LI.

An allergy, on the other hand, fits my symtoms better.

I havent been diagnosed by the GP, but I have had an allergy test done, which did state lactose intolerance. Come to think of it maybe it said milk and I just assumed lactose only, will need to dig to find the report.

Dont think I'll be doing that again in a hurry. Yes the symptoms went away faster, but I still had to endure a night's worth of full on reaction.

I miss milk, just not that much! Cant bring myself to experiement now I have reminded myself of the consequences of getting it wrong.

[beabert]

Hey eveyrone.

Recovered by this morning, so I think it did help a bit - with that kind of food I'd be out for at least 2 days normally.

After a bit of research I think I may be allergic to the milk proteins instead, or maybe as well as being lactose intorerant. Within 5 mins of eating that ice cream (boy was it good!) my throat, mouth and tongue were swelling up and itching. From what I read, LI only affects the digestive system and there's no way I could react that quick if its just down to LI.

An allergy, on the other hand, fits my symtoms better.

I havent been diagnosed by the GP, but I have had an allergy test done, which did state lactose intolerance. Come to think of it maybe it said milk and I just assumed lactose only, will need to dig to find the report.

Dont think I'll be doing that again in a hurry. Yes the symptoms went away faster, but I still had to endure a night's worth of full on reaction.

I miss milk, just not that much! Cant bring myself to experiement now I have reminded myself of the consequences of getting it wrong.

It does sound more of an allergy.

Those allergy testing things are useless mate, known to be a con you can go back the next day and it be completely different. Even proper blood test cant pin down many food allergies, the best solution is trial and error in most cases. But do speak to the doctor (Even many of them are useless though) Keep researching :smt048

Talking of food allergies, research recently showed if you expose yourself to the problem food in tiny quantities you can build up a tolerance. The research i saw was for a peanut allergy, i dont know if has since worked for others, might be worth looking into.

[hongman]

Teaspoon of milk a day? :D

I've avoided seeing the doc for so long, when I do see him next, hope he's got some time spare!

Chances are I;ll get prescribed some painkillers and told to come back if it doesnt improve lol.

[beabert]

Teaspoon of milk a day? :D

I've avoided seeing the doc for so long, when I do see him next, hope he's got some time spare!

Chances are I;ll get prescribed some painkillers and told to come back if it doesnt improve lol.

Nooo don't try it lol, might not even work for your allergy.


Typical doctors answer lol.

[Venom]

This should be milk free. 100% dark organic

http://www.hotelchocolat.co.uk/Purist-Bar--100-Dark-Organic--Hacienda-iara-Ecuador-P240065/

Hotel Chocolat *drools*