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About time it was legalised? Could bring in lots of revenue for the government, will keep the ladies (or gentlemen) safer from attacks from nutters who think its ok to apply a bit of slap with their tickle...
or could it fuel the continuing downward spiral of society. the lack of respect for your neighbour, policemen, teachers etc has plumetted over the last 20 years, could this fuel the fire
your thoughts....?
Amplimator
10-03-11, 11:25 AM
It would be great to be able to sell my body legally on a licensed premises for five dollar.
Anyone up for a go? Me love you longtime ;)
I am neither here nor there. I can see positives and negatives.
I'll wait to hear from my friends after this weekend's trip to amsterdam and see what their opinion of it is.
Never have, never will, but yes, it should be legalised in my opinion.
Why not. I really don't see the harm that it can do to the industry. It can only make it better for the girls, and boys who decide that this is their career. It also means that their drugs can be tax deductible ;)
davepreston
10-03-11, 11:44 AM
its worked well in other countries for decades, its the 2nd oldest profesion in the world
the safety and health benifits for the workers, then the taxable incomes , its not like there isnt well know redlight areas about where you live already, add enforcable laws and zero tolerance policy and licencing, the positives far outway any negitives
its worked well in other countries for decades, its the 2nd oldest profesion in the world
the safety and health benifits for the workers, then the taxable incomes , its not like there isnt well know redlight areas about where you live already, add enforcable laws and zero tolerance policy and licencing, the positives far outway any negitives
I agree. I think the more protection and laws there are in place to protect the girls and boys who decide to take it up as a profession the better.
People are going to do it regardless of law/religion/ so called moral views, so why not make sure they are doing it in a safe controlled situation.
But let’s face it, there is no way in 100 years that the government will ever risk their reputation and make it legal. It is a far to radical change to society for any government to be brave enough to do
husky03
10-03-11, 11:59 AM
no-most peoples idea of a w-hore is the pretty woman type, in reality its more like the crazy heroin jagging hep-c carrying, bang you for a tenner or, fifteen with no johnny sad individual.
Dave20046
10-03-11, 12:02 PM
After much deliberation , I've gone with snigger.
Although I don't agree with it I think it should be monitored and taxed.
I'm not sure I agree with the safety argument though , police ignore brothels as it is - they have the option to work at them..
no-most peoples idea of a w-hore is the pretty woman type, in reality its more like the crazy heroin jagging hep-c carrying, bang you for a tenner or, fifteen with no johnny sad individual.
playing devils advocate then, wouldnt legalising it make this less likely? there would have to be health certificates provided to show that all who offer the service are clean. i believe the porn industry has the same laws and regulations, they all have to have 3 monthly check ups etc
husky03
10-03-11, 12:08 PM
playing devils advocate then, wouldnt legalising it make this less likely? there would have to be health certificates provided to show that all who offer the service are clean. i believe the porn industry has the same laws and regulations, they all have to have 3 monthly check ups etc
you'd need to start from new then mate-the women(and guys)who are out selling themselves at the moment due to their drug habits would not stop walking the streets looking for punters just because its legal-they wouldn't fit the medical requirements of the new established bang houses so as normal it would go underground/back street and put them at even more risk-i speak to girls who have been doing it for years, oldest is mid 50's, been selling herself since late teens, sees it as her job-nothing is gonna change
Dicky Ticker
10-03-11, 12:11 PM
Its cheaper than marriage and kids thats for sure.
davepreston
10-03-11, 12:14 PM
+1 dicky
you either pay on the street or pay a morgage, either way your screwed
Aberdeen used to have a legalised/tolerated red-light district.
Here's the article on when they changed it to make it illegal.
http://news.scotsman.com/aberdeen?articleid=4706835
Littlepeahead
10-03-11, 12:42 PM
I used to live in Kings Cross. We had 4 girls who worked out street in shifts - regardless of the weather or time of day. I'd rather they were able to work from home and got proper medical checks.
Vice Squad stopped me one evening while I was sat in a colleagues car outside my flat after a gig because they thought I was a working girl and him a punter! After I showed them my house keys and business cards - which did not say High Class Prozzie on them - I was allowed to go home. Of course by the time I got into work the next day he's told everyone that I got mistaken for a hooker!
Dicky Ticker
10-03-11, 12:44 PM
Very naive me ,always thought "Kerb Crawling" was the way I come home from the pub on my hands and knees:D and never had much use for a woman when in that state
Dave20046
10-03-11, 01:08 PM
I used to live in Kings Cross. We had 4 girls who worked out street in shifts - regardless of the weather or time of day. I'd rather they were able to work from home and got proper medical checks.
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What's to stop them doing that now? They can get checked on the nhs if they desire.
Agree with husky , doubt it'd change much.
Porn Industry have strict regulations and you must have certificates to prove everything and any doubt and your out and that could mean end of career. ITs accepted as part of it and it does seem to be widely accepted
I'm a yes - brothels these days are no better than the street corner as they don't have any standards to come up to. They are kept dark in some place so you can't see the wounds inflicted on them either by Mama or the pimp. Meant to be safe house for the girls but they are not.
sooner legislation comes out it will be better but not for a while it will create extra work on top of al ready stretched resources
The workers will be less likely subjected to assualts and unfavourable work pratices, there would untold increase in health benefits( needle exchanges, drug rehab, child care, mental health issues) as well as the much need support that the girls don't get due to the stigma attached to it.
the revenue that MAY be generated you will find that many places will probably still run cash becuase of the type of service being offered.
but better surrounding, less llikely to be busted, better workers all equals a better product
I used to live in Kings Cross. We had 4 girls who worked out street in shifts - regardless of the weather or time of day. I'd rather they were able to work from home and got proper medical checks.
Vice Squad stopped me one evening while I was sat in a colleagues car outside my flat after a gig because they thought I was a working girl and him a punter! After I showed them my house keys and business cards - which did not say High Class Prozzie on them - I was allowed to go home. Of course by the time I got into work the next day he's told everyone that I got mistaken for a hooker!
Had the same been - picked up after a burly performance and ran out to get some money with just a coat over me. Think they were more concerned than anything as all i had was a bank card - no phone no nothing. though it was an interesting conversation at the side of the road
maviczap
10-03-11, 01:45 PM
Don't know
Having seen the girls working the streets in Hamburg in the legal part you'd think it was sorted, but there's still girls working on their own outside of the legal areas.
It may have saved some of the girls murdered by Steve Wright in my home town, if they'd been working in a regulated place, but even in the middle of the murders they were still going out working because they were so desperate for their fix.
If they'd been stopped working in a regulated place, because they'd fail a health check, they'd have still gone out working for their drug money
Dicky Ticker
10-03-11, 01:46 PM
"It was an interesting conversation at the side of the road":D
Bet it was,did you get the business?:D
Bet your face was a picture,slight blush perhaps,--made me chuckle
I'm a 'no'
The current laws may stop some girls before they go into the industry, or having caught them early stop them. Legallising it will not do them any favours.
Also like Waitrose or Asda, some will always shop at the cheap end of the market so there will always be the illegal side of it.
Besides I don't want more competition
husky03
10-03-11, 02:01 PM
The desperation thing comes into it-i know of a roger moore who gave a BJ in exchange for 20 fags-how low can people go? 10 fags?
Also like Waitrose or Asda, some will always shop at the cheap end of the market so there will always be the illegal side of it.
you consider waitrose the cheaper end of the market? where do you usually shop? fortnum and masons?
Legal as in have an amsterdam style window shopping street? I know someone who uses a site that he recently told me about. When I typed in killerbees (swap killer for adult and bees for work) on google I was pretty astonished to be honest. Police can monitor sites can't they so if they let those type of sites remain they're practically saying it's alright.
Actually this mate of a mate (he's from Birmingham so there ya go ;-)) uses the site and the way he described some of the girls is different to the classic hep b drug junkie looking for a quick fix. Some are just students that go to a respectable uni and wanna make more money on the side.
Worrying that, you just never know what the girls (or guys) around your uni/work may be getting up to.
slark01
10-03-11, 02:43 PM
Imagine the Health and Safety brigade marching into a legalised brothel.
"Sorry Sir, you cannot use that condom, as it is not the required length. Rule 46b says the condom, which you are holding right now Sir, should be at least 10 inches in length and be able to stretch the girth to upto 4 inches. Don't want any whoops now do we Sir!"
"And sorry Miss, but the lubrication that you are using is not legal as it will not lubricate for more than 10 minutes. We cannot allowing any chaffing, very dangerous."
Ste.
454697819
10-03-11, 02:51 PM
No
They should be putting their efforts into stopping it.
its a narrow minded view for sure but thats how I feel.
maviczap
10-03-11, 02:55 PM
. Police can monitor sites can't they so if they let those type of sites remain they're practically saying it's alright.
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No they're not, there have been cases in my neck of the woods of brothels/call girls running websites that have been raided and shut down.
The websites puported to be dating agencies, but they were a conduit to the brothel or call girl.
Many of these girls won't always be students, some of them will have been duped or trafficed here from Eastern Europe, no matter what the ad says.
Just depends on the Police forces priorities, its still illegal
They should be putting their efforts into stopping it.
its a narrow minded view for sure but thats how I feel.
As long as there is war or women/men in relative poverty, prostitution will remain. Trying to control the supply of a drug is one thing, trying to stop a person from selling their body is practically impossible and the cause of the problem is what would need to be tackled - ie the economy.
The hookers in amsterdam aren't Dutch, they're all mainly from war torn eastern european countries such as Russia, Bulgaria, Hungary etc.
No they're not, there have been cases in my neck of the woods of brothels/call girls running websites that have been raided and shut down.
Many of these girls won't always be students, some of them will have been duped or trafficed here from Eastern Europe, no matter what the ad says.
Just depends on the Police forces priorities, its still illegal
Well that's good and reassuring to hear, but I think it makes little difference and virtually an impossible area to police efficiently.
Not most/many are students, just saying they're not all the stereotypical junkie druggy prozzy that we would expect.
-Ralph-
10-03-11, 03:16 PM
you'd need to start from new then mate-the women(and guys)who are out selling themselves at the moment due to their drug habits would not stop walking the streets looking for punters just because its legal-they wouldn't fit the medical requirements of the new established bang houses so as normal it would go underground/back street and put them at even more risk-i speak to girls who have been doing it for years, oldest is mid 50's, been selling herself since late teens, sees it as her job-nothing is gonna change
What about if you legalised, licensed and regulated wh0re houses, left street prostitution outlawed, and increased the minimum sentence for curb crawling 5 years in prison.
Legally and easily go to a wh0re house, pay a regulated fee, and risk very little comeback, or curb crawl, get it cheap, but risk prison, marriage, job, house, miss your kids growing up, whatever.
The girls are not going to walk the streets if you completely remove the punters and make it just not work the risk.
As for the social impact for the girls, they are already on the bottom rung of the ladder and nothing we are doing now is succeeding in helping them climb up it. Whatever support system you put in place for those who have been "made redundant" because they are not in a fit state to work in a wh0re house, can't be any less successful in helping them clean up.
No
They should be putting their efforts into stopping it.
its a narrow minded view for sure but thats how I feel.
In a way I wish we could stop it but we never will but its money and resource intensive to really provide any adequate solution and long term help.
and what do you do with those that don't want the help and don't want to go inside as its all they've ever known.
though I believe that a small minority will go underground as in any and every industry
454697819
10-03-11, 03:56 PM
In a way I wish we could stop it but we never will but its money and resource intensive to really provide any adequate solution and long term help.
and what do you do with those that don't want the help and don't want to go inside as its all they've ever known.
though I believe that a small minority will go underground as in any and every industry
Correct, its not something I can really go full blown discussion on in this forum,
I am a Christian and as such anything like prostitution is a No, and I would encourage the illegality of it and clamp downs, however it is a unrealistic approach I am aware of that but in the 2 minutes I get to answer on here.. No.
I know how you feel I could rant on for hours about it too. I wd say it close to my heart but this lot would take it the wrong way.
its such an emotive subject too.
MiniMatt
10-03-11, 04:02 PM
Legalised? I'm a "no". Possibly see some argument for decriminalisation on the front line supply side as it really doesn't help anyone that screwed up to give them a criminal record to boot - although from what I understand of policing priorities I get the impression that's pretty much the current situation, ie. with much more effort at tackling punters and pimps.
Main reason for the "no" is that our current Daily Mail inspired crop of stories of "work shy scroungers" would effectively create a state mandated employment of last resort. Can't get a job? Then give that dirty fat old man a BJ or lose your benefits you scum... Terminal cancer patient? Doesn't stop you lying back and thinking of England, no disability for you you scrounger...
Other than that, whilst what follows is purely conjecture as I have no experience or evidence, I get the strong impression that those who come out of a career in prostitution are invariably screwed up by the experience. I suspect tales of the happy and/or wealthy hooker are few and far between. Used to live near a particularly grotty area of Nottingham and from what I saw of the street workers there they all looked poor, screwed up and dead behind the eyes. I can't see legalisation improving that any, whilst at the same time it could greatly increase the numbers of people exposed to that life through an increased societal acceptance.
Luckypants
10-03-11, 04:39 PM
Main reason for the "no" is that our current Daily Mail inspired crop of stories of "work shy scroungers" would effectively create a state mandated employment of last resort. Can't get a job? Then give that dirty fat old man a BJ or lose your benefits you scum... Terminal cancer patient? Doesn't stop you lying back and thinking of England, no disability for you you scrounger....
Hmm never thought of that angle before. Damn you Matt, you hippie, I used enjoy arguing with you.
I'm pretty ambivalent towards the whole thing, having never really been 'confronted' by prostitution or it's consequences. I have always been reasonably convinced by the 'safety for the girls' argument and not really seen a down-side. My only concern would be how the criminal pimps / gangs can be removed from the industry and kept out. Maybe nothing would change for the front-line workers but joe public would think it's all hunky dory now it was legal?
However Matt's point shows that legalising it could have un-foreseen consequences. I'm back on the fence...
yorkie_chris
10-03-11, 05:06 PM
Some are just students that go to a respectable uni and wanna make more money on the side.
Not like it's any different to a one night stand in that case.
Plenty slappers around with no morals or self respect who might as well charge for it, "buy us a drink love", that make them hookers?
and the cause of the problem is what would need to be tackled - ie the economy.
We can thank new labour for solving the issue then! I don't know about anyone else but with the fuel prices at the moment I can hardly afford to go kerb crawling more than once or twice a week...
The girls are not going to walk the streets if you completely remove the punters and make it just not work the risk.
Yup I agree.
Ceri JC
10-03-11, 05:14 PM
Never have, never will, but yes, it should be legalised in my opinion.
+1.
One of those things that isn't my cup of tea, but which I suspect is a waste of money in policing. Legalised it'd be safer for all concerned, there'd be less exploitation and it'd generate some revenue. The negative social impacts of it already exist, we may as well get the positive side (taxation). I don't think you would suddenly notice a marked increase in people joining the profession or in people availing themselves of their services if you legalised it.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, for 6 months or so my wife was involved in making television documentaries about the sex industries (she was behind the camera ;)). She met and interviewed an awful lot of these people. The view one particular working girl put forwards, which my wife was inclined to believe was this: The abused, coerced and drug-addicted are in a minority. The reason they are so often talked about is two-fold. Firstly, they make for a very good, tragic interesting story. Secondly, the very nominal amount they are paid for their stories, versus the social stigma of being publicly outed as a prostitute (or even just having to deal with sanctimonious people questioning their choices) isn't worth it to any but the desperate. The professional middle class call girl making £100K+ a year who is looking to retire from the industry by the time she is 30 with her house paid off and set up for life, isn't going to jeopardise her chances of some semblance of a "normal" life afterwards by having her face all over national TV for £50. Conversely, to the drug-addled skank: That's 5 hits, yes please!
Never have, never will, but yes, it should be legalised in my opinion.
+1 Also.
This is a genius quote! ;)
davepreston
10-03-11, 05:21 PM
simply put , prositution goes on, it will keep going on, no matter what, people will remain being victims, people will continue to take advantage of others, that is the real world we live in.
if you wish it a desease, one with no cure and be honest like i said above there is no cure, so we might as well threat the symptoms, it wont work for everyone (just like a medical desease) but it will help some, therefore unless someone can remove human nature and we *ALL* suddenly evolve into a highly enlightend people, we may as well help those we can, the perfect world is beyond our grasp in honesty so make the best of what we can , however we can. and in this case legalising it is the best we can make of a bad situation
http://mazedlx.net/wp-content/uploads/pimps.jpg
Plenty slappers around with no morals or self respect who might as well charge for it, "buy us a drink love", that make them hookers?.
yep, with favourable rates especially during happy hour.:smt117
timwilky
10-03-11, 05:56 PM
I am in the never have camp.
When I was working in Dubai, there were plenty of hookers round the hotel bars and all were Russian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian Sort of all north European and not a single skanky one to be seen. If they moved to the UK they would be a welcome sight on most streets. and bound to drive the skankies out of town
However, as for legalising. I would vote yes. I know of blokes who have indulged. Many would say I don't have a wife or girlfriend etc. Far better to use available services than make a stupid mistake etc. The wife would probably reply use your hand to that excuse. But a sh*gs a sh*g.
Surprisingly the wife and eldest daughter have just come back from Amsterdam. Obviously visited the red light area for the tourist and came back with enlightened attitudes
Now a question? Is an escort service/middle class call girl the same as a street walker. when many of them are not required for sex and just company and the street walkers will do nothing but.
I am not saying that the call girls don't do sex but its not always a pre requsite for booking
yorkie_chris
10-03-11, 06:03 PM
Now a question? Is an escort service/middle class call girl the same as a street walker. when many of them are not required for sex and just company and the street walkers will do nothing but.
I am not saying that the call girls don't do sex but its not always a pre requsite for booking
And strippers? And models? And any half decent bird employed by a nightclub or even a charity to attract customers... Sex sells.
Though TBH I'm all for it, on the rare occasion I walk through town sober and some fecker wants to talk about sponsoring a panda they've got no chance if they're a bloke or ugly :-P
I walk through town sober and some fecker wants to talk about sponsoring a panda they've got no chance if they're a bloke or ugly :-P
+1
the rickshaw people in san diego are really hot american girls in hot pants. Me and a mate splashed out 15quid to get cycled about 15metres round the corner..we had no idea how close the place we wanted to go to was.
I'd never consider getting on one here with some fella cycling me around.
Same goes for trying samples of food that you know you probably won't like.
allantheboss
10-03-11, 07:07 PM
If anybody on here is looking for a 6'6" athletically built male...
davepreston
10-03-11, 07:46 PM
sorry al mate i just look in the mirror and am thankful for the extra 2 inches (oo eer mrs)
god gave me 3 things
height
british passport
irish accent
and tbh its worked out pretty well for me
keith_d
10-03-11, 08:12 PM
I haven't, so my opinion is just that. No hard (;)) facts to back it up.
But, I'd choose:
* Legalisation
* Frequent medicals
* Licensed premises (similar model to pubs)
* Age restrictions (no under 18's)
* The same taxes as everyone else (PAYF)
Legalisation would allow the girls (and Reeder) to get the police involved if they are assaulted, where currently they have no recourse. This might help to catch some sickkos before they start killing people.
Naturally, people might want to oppose license applications on residential streets, but there are plenty of non-residential areas in most towns where premises could be licensed. Thinking about it, we'd probably need an appeals process too, just to stop councils refusing to issue licenses for dogmatic reasons.
Sadly, with our tabloid press on the job anyone who supported a sensible scheme like this would be pilloried. So I don't see much chance of it happening.
Keith.
Jayneflakes
10-03-11, 08:26 PM
I voted legalise it. :smt016
I don't know about anyone else but with the fuel prices at the moment I can hardly afford to go kerb crawling more than once or twice a week..
Yeah, that sucks more than the girls do! :smt112
If anybody on here is looking for a 6'6" athletically built male...
I have a friend who I think you should meet, he is in his late sixties and he likes young chaps, especially if they are toned! How are you with rubber pants and ball gags!
:smt037
Dicky Ticker
10-03-11, 08:41 PM
I would consider Germany to be a civilised country and it has been legal there for years and knowing a few of them[Not as a customer I will add] and discussing the ethics with them I don't see a problem with legalising it
Health checks for the girls and customers knowing they are clean keeps the "Street Girls" numbers down and the pimps in short supply.Quite a few I knew were students and one was working her way through medical school and another to keep her mother in a residential home. Underneath the front they were normal people with other lives which were highly respectable and most of them only did it for a couple of years in a town or city outwith their own private life and the area they came from.They probably would not be able to do that if it wasn't legalised.
Quite a few I knew were students and one was working her way through medical school and another to keep her mother in a residential home. Underneath the front they were normal people with other lives which were highly respectable and most of them only did it for a couple of years in a town or city outwith their own private life and the area they came from.They probably would not be able to do that if it wasn't legalised.
But it's unlikely that the medical student would seek out a pimp or hit the streets in her heels by herself. She'd resort to finding another job that would be harder work than just spreading her legs, and would still pay her way through uni.
Or if she were here she'd sign up as a call girl so it makes little difference anyway.
Bluefish
10-03-11, 09:05 PM
* The same taxes as everyone else (PAYF)
Brill
I voted yes, purely because the tax income would be helpful to the country.
As for taking advantage of the services offered, I never have... except for paying for every sexy-time with my ex-wife <spit> when I was married - financially and emotionally
yorkie_chris
11-03-11, 12:03 AM
Yeah, that sucks more than the girls do! :smt112
Especially running a Bentley, you see the top speed is 3 mph, the passenger door remains permanently ajar and it insists on veering towards the kerb. Oh Goddd, what must people think?
My ex-wife is a prostitute.
She does this legally, from her own home. She meets her clients through the adultwork website, she's listed as an escort. BTW escorts aren't about company, the sex is always the main thing. She does go to parties and such with them sometimes, but they always get to bang her. Sometimes she is the party.
It is legal for a woman to work alone, as an escort, from her home in this country. Soliciting on the streets and running a brothel is not.
And strippers? And models? And any half decent bird employed by a nightclub or even a charity to attract customers... Sex sells.
true sex sells but would you class models who are advertising a bike in latex a prostitute.
Escorts/call girls and street wlakers there is a fine line between
She does this legally, from her own home. She meets her clients through the adultwork website, she's listed as an escort. BTW escorts aren't about company, the sex is always the main thing. She does go to parties and such with them sometimes, but they always get to bang her. Sometimes she is the party.
Your ex wife's main thing is sex not all escort girls do sex
-Ralph-
11-03-11, 11:56 AM
Your ex wife's main thing is sex not all escort girls do sex
Damn disappointing for the bloke that paid all that money eh? :lol:
if you want sex you pay extra dear boy!!
SoulKiss
11-03-11, 12:09 PM
Damn disappointing for the bloke that paid all that money eh? :lol:
Well he'll be screwed either way...
yorkie_chris
11-03-11, 12:11 PM
true sex sells but would you class models who are advertising a bike in latex a prostitute.
Nah not at all, like I say I'm all for that, especially now you bring latex into it :smt016
Just drawing the parallel, what am I meandering on about, I think I'm still drunk.
Between walking the streets and "escort" isn't much different, just different advertising medium eh
Your ex wife's main thing is sex not all escort girls do sex
I've met quite a few escorts and they all bang for bucks, if it's just a question of price there's very little difference.
Whether someone will gobble you in an alley for a fiver or in a 5star hotel for a grand, they're both selling the same thing.
SoulKiss
11-03-11, 02:48 PM
I've met quite a few escorts and they all bang for bucks, if it's just a question of price there's very little difference.
Whether someone will gobble you in an alley for a fiver or in a 5star hotel for a grand, they're both selling the same thing.
So what you are saying is the difference between Michelin and MacyDs?
So what you are saying is the difference between Michelin and MacyDs?
Presentation :smt112
Ceri JC
11-03-11, 03:18 PM
Presentation :smt112
+ hygiene.
+ taste.
+ cost.
+ the difference between bragging about it afterwards and feeling dirty inside.
:smt016
yorkie_chris
11-03-11, 03:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJbeK0aEVTw
Probably not ideal for work :-P
SoulKiss
11-03-11, 03:29 PM
So what you are saying it is the difference between Michelin and MacyDs?
Oops, missed an "it" back there.
So if StreetGirl == McDonalds and Escort == Michelin Starred, does that make the Missus == Homecooked?
davepreston
11-03-11, 03:41 PM
Oops, missed an "it" back there.
So if StreetGirl == McDonalds and Escort == Michelin Starred, does that make the Missus == Homecooked?
3 oclock kebab you'll regret in the morning
or
weatherspoons lunch, same every time, bland but fills the requirements
I just lifted this little disclaimer off an escorts website, u rating prohibits me posting a link.
All charges for escorting are for my time alone. Any other services offered, implied or otherwise are purely the natural interaction between consenting adults and not subject to any fees.
Milky Bar Kid
11-03-11, 04:48 PM
Hmmm, I have voted no but I have had to sit and consider this one carefully.
I think, and I am just about to ramble here so it may not make sense, I think that if the safety benefits etc were actually going to work if it was legalised and monitored then yeh, I would agree with it. That said, I am not sure it would work.
I think the issue is that as previously mentioned we do currently still have a sort of high class hooker and your street walkers. The high class hookers are the ones who would more than likely be in the legalised places, the street walkers TEND, not always, to be drug addicts or down and outs or whatever and I can't really see anything changing.
Someone made a point, I think it was Ralph, about legalising brothels but keeping street walkers and kerb crawling illegal but increasing the punishments and that if it was too risky then people wouldn't go kerb crawling...well yeh, all great and good on paper but this is sex we are talking about and some people will do anything, no matter what the risks to meet their sexual needs. I agree that higher sentences and stuff would stop your normal guy without a girl friend scenario, but what about the people who are, for the want of a better word, deviants?
I don't know. I can see a for and against for both arguments. I just don't think that it would change anything for the working girls who really need the help and protection to stop the assaults, rapes, etc etc.
davepreston
11-03-11, 05:24 PM
mbk i would say its a numbers thing
id say (pure guessdamation) that it would help over 30% for working girls to be safer and the old addage aplys if it helps just 1 person its worth it, also yes lots of the people in that game take drugs but that does not mean dease nessearily (abit far more likely) so medical checks would still help in this matter
and deviants will be deviants no matter what as im sure your well aware with your background
just adding to your thinking on this mate
yorkie_chris
11-03-11, 05:32 PM
I agree that higher sentences and stuff would stop your normal guy without a girl friend scenario, but what about the people who are, for the want of a better word, deviants?
See if booze wasn't so expensive then getting pickled and pulling a fatty would be more appealing :-P
I reckon harsher sentences would push them towards the legal side of it.
keith_d
11-03-11, 06:29 PM
I don't know. I can see a for and against for both arguments. I just don't think that it would change anything for the working girls who really need the help and protection to stop the assaults, rapes, etc etc.
I don't think it would help those who were already heavily into drugs and using prostitution to feed their habit, but I can't help wonder how many of those were introduced to drugs by their pimps. Making the pimp's business less profitable by directing punters to licensed establishments could significantly reduce the harm to individuals and society
There's no overnight fix, but I can't help thinking that in the longer term properly managed and legalised prostitution has to be better for everyone except the pimps and crooks.
But I've not been there or done that so what do I know??
Keith.
-Ralph-
11-03-11, 08:22 PM
but this is sex we are talking about and some people will do anything, no matter what the risks to meet their sexual needs. I agree that higher sentences and stuff would stop your normal guy without a girl friend scenario, but what about the people who are, for the want of a better word, deviants?
But what sexual needs could the deviants meet via the street walker that they couldn't get in a brothel? You are right that there are those that will do anything for sex, but all they have to do is walk into reception and "check in". Why would deviants risk prison, when all they have to risk to feed their addiction, is getting into a bit of debt to pay for the brothel? If you are talking rapists and assault, that will happen whatever you do, so those can't really be used as a vaild argument against legalisation.
widepants
11-03-11, 10:43 PM
yep, with favourable rates especially during happy hour.:smt117
they have those in NZ where you can get 2 for the price of one
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