Libya

[Bluefish]

Looks like we may be going to Libya, get yer buckets and spades out lads and lassses, thought we was in recession though?.

[Wideboy]

no we wont, he has oil so we will stay in his pocket and let him commit murder some more

[Bluefish]

you reckon, vote aproved, i'm pretty sure attacks will start within hours :(

[thulfi]

History and double standards are one thing, but one less tyrant in this world is always a good thing.

There is no such thing as a free lunch and let's not kid ourselves this is for the Libyans but if less of their civilians will die by this action then it's a good one.

[Ed]

Shame we ditched our carriers.

[ravingdavis]

Shame we ditched our carriers.

Why do we need carriers?

Plenty of land airbases within range.

[Bluefish]

Why do we need carriers?

Plenty of land airbases within range.
that's why they wanted saudi on our side ;)

[sv4me]

Where did it all go wrong....

http://toryardvaark.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/gaddafi_blair.jpg

http://gonzotown.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gaddafi_sarkozy_1210.jpg

http://www.moonbattery.com/gadaffi-obama.jpg


If its going to be a case of the arab nations sending in ground troops while we shell the **** out of gaddafis army from the air, then i'm all for it. Our boys are being used as target practice in enough countries as it is

[ravingdavis]

that's why they wanted saudi on our side ;)

Meh, Italy is well within range. Berlusconi will do as he is told to by NATO as well, last thing he needs are more accusations of sleeping with hookers and minors surfacing from 'unknown' sources.

[Bluefish]

planes from Canada now, hes in for a seriouse ass whooping :D, bout time eh?

[Bluefish]

Meh, Italy is well within range. Berlusconi will do as he is told to by NATO as well, last thing he needs are more accusations of sleeping with hookers and minors surfacing from 'unknown' sources.

didn't know Italy was a big mining area, lol ;)

[Bluefish]

sv4me, 2nd pic, who does he think he is Bono, lol.

[sv4me]

Haha neh, hes a bigger tw** than Bono.....just ;)

If you're going to suppress a whole nation you've got to look fly

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000639219/polls_1212_qaddafi_0058_849970_poll_xlarge.jpeg http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2011/03/03/gaddafi__9KaCC_19672.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lgNarkHA6lY/SodQZwXsWnI/AAAAAAAALF4/6GDSYeG8tU8/s1600/Muammar_Gaddafi.png

[Bluefish]

He's an ugly ****er, i'll say that.

[Bluefish]

He has warned Benghazi his army is coming to get them :confused: According to wicki, Libya has 25,000 army plus 25,000 conscipts, don't seem like a big military force for the size of the country. Edit, mebe that's cos he's such a nice guy?.

[21QUEST]

Same old story of finally meddling....after decades of the facilitating so known dictators.

Of course, it's all about the Libyan people...what other reason could there be... :rolleyes:

[sv4me]

Whats wrong with this picture?

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/gaddafi-426--129890247361194100.jpg




Nothing a couple of hand grenades couldnt sort out

[454697819]

i would have thought they would do it on the quiet, send in the SAS, declare him dead from a stray mortar from his own forces..

Subtle we are clearly not..

[punyXpress]

Where did I put that barrage balloon? we certainly haven't a lot of spare planes.

[Ed]

The 'revolution' happened on 17 Feb. It has taken a month of 'talks' to get this far while Gadafy has attacked civilians with heavy guns. On the other hand why should we get involved - I don't think anyone wants another Iraq.

[Dicky Ticker]

Problem being that both sides are so trigger happy they will shoot at anything.
I just wish that this country and government would stand back for a couple of years and put our own house in order before committing to peace keeping and aid abroad.
The days of the Victorian era,Britain being a world power are gone and as much as Libya is a semi backward state I would presume they have some ground to air missile system and be prepared to use it.The two factions in Libya are so big that even if we do go in it is just committing ourselves to another drawn out conflict and wars cost money that this government don't have, the money spent would be more beneficial at home. The current crop of the in power politicians are well heeled so the hardships inflicted on the less well off do not affect them.it is not their sons and daughters they are sending into war zones
If they can't even send in a spy without him being caught what chance do they have
of succeeding in stabilizing the country when neither side want us there.

Let them knock four bells out of each other and then when they are depleted is the time to go in and clear the mess up.Why do countries like Russia,China and even Germany stand back from this? then go in and offer aid to the winners to"REBUILD" the country and gain financial benefits

Rant over and I admit I do not understand the politics or war mongering of this small country

[Ed]

Thulfi posted something a few days ago which has really hit home with me. He said something like 'war is old men talking and young men dying'. Too true. Much as I detest what Gadafy is doing, I don't see why we should get involved. What's the strategy? How do we exit?

[MiniMatt]

Thulfi posted something a few days ago which has really hit home with me. He said something like 'war is old men talking and young men dying'. Too true. Much as I detest what Gadafy is doing, I don't see why we should get involved. What's the strategy? How do we exit?

Very true, and it's a tough one. My personal favourite illustration of that point is the number of children of MPs currently serving in the armed forces. I know that at the time of the Iraq war there were precicely no children of cabinet members in the forces and I *think* there was only one MP across the whole of parliament who actually had a child serving. Compare that to the number of actual MPs who fought (and died) in WW2, let alone their children - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_of_members_of_parliament_of_the_United_Kin gdom#Members_of_Parliament_who_died_on_wartime_act ive_service

I'm tempted to suggest that compulsory conscription should be re-introduced, but only for the of-age children of cabinet ministers upon such time as they take us into any war.

I tend to believe that any politician who takes a country into war will ultimately be judged a failure by history. Regardless of the casus bell - WW2 was undoubtedly a just cause, but ask the man in the street what they know of Neville Chamberlain and it'll be the man who failed to secure "peace in our time".

Like I say, it's a tough one for sure and the pragmatist in me tends to think this is probably the best outcome to save lives and possibly help create a fledgling democracy. But I have no doubt that this action will also cost lives, and some of them will undoubtedly be British. And a politician's primary responsibility is pretty much to protect the lives of their citizens, including those of the armed forces. By failing at peaceful diplomacy (no matter how intransigent the opposing nutter is), they have ultimately failed in their primary role. And that failure will be paid for with the blood of our children - just not their children.

[Dicky Ticker]

Since 2000BC the Middle East and North African countries have had discontent and as anybody who has worked out there will tell you they have a completely different mind set from the European outlook and until they change, democracy as we know it will not work.

Tribal, caste,royal families and powerful individuals rule,not the people,it is what they are accustomed to so leave it be.
A bit like them going to war with us to reinstate the Royal Family as ruling heads of this country. We had a civil war over it but other countries did not interfere and that is what is happening at the minute out there,only that everybody else wants to influence the outcome.
To be honest I consider that oil may be more of an influence than human rights as nobody seems worried about human rights in some of the other big nations with human rights issues

[MiniMatt]

While I'll agree with you that oil undoubtedly has an undue affect on our (leader's) commitment to human rights I'd argue that you could say that pretty much any region, including the British Isles has been a source of discontent, tribal rivalries, royal families and bickering fiefdoms since 2000BC.

Not sure that them "over there" are of a different mind set from us. If you consider democracy to be defined as the right of every man and woman of a given age to vote freely then we haven't had democracy in the UK for even a single century yet.

[Dicky Ticker]

I agree about the British Isles and the last hundred years and past history but my point is we were left to sort it out ourselves without interference and hostile acts of other nations.

I still adhere to my statement about them having different mentality from Europeans as is perfectly plain when you look at some of the laws that still exist in their countries and they live by them.

[daveangel]

Newsflash says that the R.A.F. are due to deploy jet(s!) to Libiya, with the Harriers and some of the older Tornado's now retiring/retired and the ongoing situation in Afghanistan have we really got the resources to get involved?

As Dicky Ticker says oil is no doubt the bigger draw than human rights. . .

[Milky Bar Kid]

Newsflash says that the R.A.F. are due to deploy jet(s!) to Libiya, with the Harriers and some of the older Tornado's now retiring/retired and the ongoing situation in Afghanistan have we really got the resources to get involved?

As Dicky Ticker says oil is no doubt the bigger draw than human rights. . .

Considering there are reports in the news frequently about our troops in Iraq not having sufficient equipment I'd suggest that no, we don't have the resources.

For 2% of the worlds oil, is it really worth it? Gaddafi is clearly mad and still has his military on his side....I'd venture to suggest that this is a bad combination and considering his previous acts towards the west...ie, Pan Am 103 at Lockerbie, I find it hard to believe that Gaddafi will not attempt something of a similar gravity should we sufficiently annoy him........after all Lockerbie is thought to have been retribution........

[Ed]

I read on the Beeb news website that it is more than a no fly zone, we've launched missiles from a submarine, the US has launched cruise missiles from a warship, and the French have bombed some Libyan vehicles.

It's getting serious.

[MR UKI (1)]

I read on the Beeb news website that it is more than a no fly zone, we've launched missiles from a submarine, the US has launched cruise missiles from a warship, and the French have bombed some Libyan vehicles.

It's getting serious.

Newsflash on BBC earlier tonight saying UK planes flying over country along with Frenchies

[Quiff Wichard]

it's a shame..

last night we raise millions for folk who need it..

today we will kill very very many innocent bystanders in the name of peace. and lose many of our young lads n ladies if we get a ground war .

I dont know the answer .. it is just all sad and rather frightening.

[fenjer]

Last I heard from various friends in the RAF Italy weren't playing ball, and weren't letting us use with their air bases, france were being a bit more friendly, malta hadnt decided yet.

I know a few people who were on 6hr deployment and are probably saying cheerio to their folks right now.

Think that makes it a hat trick for pointless wars that we shouldnt have waded into in the last 9 years...

[SuzukiNess]

Whats wrong with this picture?

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/gaddafi-426--129890247361194100.jpg




Nothing a couple of hand grenades couldnt sort out

two peas in a pod.. IMHO. but because libya has what most countries need... the world will get involved... yet as zimbabwe really hasnt much to offer, the ape that rules the country is allowed to do so regardless of the human atrocities he carries out..

[Berlin]

Syria has now kicked off too but the Goverment decided to just start shooting. Nothing in the press so far about it. Lots on youtube with some very, very shocking comments. :(

[yorkie_chris]

I suppose any despot can now see the dominoes well and truly falling, and there is no refuge for a tyrant than to escalate the violence.

[Viney]

Im still very much in the 'What the feck has it got to do with us in the 1st place' camp.

Let them fight amongst thierselves. Who made us, the USofA and everyone else the world police?

[Lozzo]

I'm quite concerned about the effects it will have if Malta decide to open up their airfields for Nato military air strikes on Libya

[tonyk]

what about zimbabwe, human rights none. Any UN help ...nope.:^o
Saudi Arabia killing their trougle makers ...... UN no intervention.:^o
Bahrain killing their trouble makers ..... UN no intervention.:^o
Doh Libya.... UN is there to stop any killing there..:smt041
what is happing. ?
one rule for some and another rule for others...?. :oops:

[yorkie_chris]

I don't see why we aren't falling over each other to offer the rebels military aid in exchange for shares in the country's oil. Or even a place as a mostly autonomous British protectorate.
Why do we keep on with this ridiculous humanitarian charade?

I'm quite concerned about the effects it will have if Malta decide to open up their airfields for Nato military air strikes on Libya

What effect will it have? It is nothing new having combat aircraft on Malta

[dizzyblonde]

So they start using Cyprus as a stop over.

They don't help Cyprus get rid of the Turks, but they'll meddle in another countries business, when it concerns liquid gold!

Anybody know if Gadaffi wears a blue turban?

[Biker Biggles]

I havnt quite got the exit strategy fully understood yet.Maybe because there isnt one?

[zunkus]

I'm quite concerned about the effects it will have if Malta decide to open up their airfields for Nato military air strikes on Libya

Maltese prime minister keeps declaring that our country is not a military base. Hope the message gets through to the Libyans... I don't want to be amongst the first Maltese casualties. Working as a radar technician in Maltese international airport puts me right in the middle of a nice target...

[Quiff Wichard]

using corsica aint they??

[tonyk]

I’v heard it not just ordinary people that are rebels - it the Al Qaeda terrorists .
Who are getting arm’s and ammunition from Egypt .
And if we are going to wipe out Gaddafi the “pro Gaddafi people “ are going to be the victims, so do we then go in and kill the librated rebels for human right violations ?.
Oh and when are we going to help the people in Bahrain who are getting killed by the army and police and Saudi troops who were invited in to their country to put down their rebels, or we just look the other way for them.

[beabert]

Oh and when are we going to help the people in Bahrain who are getting killed by the army and police and Saudi troops who were invited in to their country to put down their rebels, or we just look the other way for them.

Do you seriously think China and Russia would let is pass the UN vote a second time? Would have to do illegally, and i don't think anyone wants to go there again.

The current intervention is legal, widely support and UN backed. No intervention and Gaddafi will brutally kill many of his own people. He has done it before.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/awful-journey-into-mind-of-dictator-muammar-gaddafi/story-e6frg6so-1226020713120

There is footage of one of the live broadcasted hangings is on you tube.

[Bluefish]

:(

[Pedrosa]

Hmmm my son called on Saturday from his ship telling me they had left the Seychelles and were heading for the Suez. Now considering they are supposedly patrollibg the Indian Ocean, the Suez is an odd place to head for unless heading home....but that is not for almost 2 months.

Is my son's ship heading to join the U.N. forces in the Med?:???:

[Pedrosa]

using a corsa aint they??


No mate Tornado and Typhoon jets I believe.;)

[Bri w]

No mate Tornado and Typhoon jets I believe.;)

Is that a Ford Tornado :smt101

[Dicky Ticker]

I would have thought there would be some cheap package holidays to Libya but they still haven't dropped their prices.;)

[Bluefish]

bet the scrap metal merchants are loving it ;)

[Stingo]

MOD says that the report in the Telegraph is "B*****ks".

Mucho giggling...

http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=15862

[thulfi]

He dead, suppose not 100% confirmed yet. Pic looks like him. Well done rebels and nato.

Hopefully it doesn't turn into another Iraq.

[Biker Biggles]

With enemy number one dead(if true)let the squabbling begin.
I predict a riot.

[maviczap]

With enemy number one dead(if true)let the squabbling begin.
I predict a riot.

Good job you don't want to start one, you'll get locked up

[Biker Biggles]

Good job you don't want to start one, you'll get locked up

Lets meet up at Tripoli bus garage at seven o.clock.Bring a baseball bat and a balaclava.
:smt071

[Bibio]

FFS when is this sh!t going to stop. why do we need to get involved with someone else's affairs, its a fekin joke.

[dizzyblonde]

Because theres a sinister secret, thats why we do Bibio. Something that involves whatever plan that makes our country poke its nose in.


Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if anyone on here had found gadaffiduck in a drainpipe, wouldn't you find it strange that the last dictator in the middle east, was found in similar circumstance? Surely with all his money, he'd be hiding on some island laughing his head off?
I'm not surprised they shot him there and then(if this is indeed true)why should they hand him over for a 'fair trial' for the rest of the world to see, then hang him via youtube!


So guys and gals.....which countries next for invasion or meddling in?

[maviczap]

FFS when is this sh!t going to stop. why do we need to get involved with someone else's affairs, its a fekin joke.

Because theres a sinister secret, thats why we do Bibio. Something that involves whatever plan that makes our country poke its nose in.


Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if anyone on here had found gadaffiduck in a drainpipe, wouldn't you find it strange that the last dictator in the middle east, was found in similar circumstance? Surely with all his money, he'd be hiding on some island laughing his head off?
I'm not surprised they shot him there and then(if this is indeed true)why should they hand him over for a 'fair trial' for the rest of the world to see, then hang him via youtube!


So guys and gals.....which countries next for invasion or meddling in?

Its all about oil is my guess

[yorkie_chris]

What's wrong with a bit of warfare for profit? Fighting over resources is what humans do.

[Sally]

Its all about oil is my guess

Yep, what doesn't oil affect in the grand scheme of things?

[beabert]

Said it before, we aren't stealing it, it will be paid for.

What we have done is give ourselves another reliable source of energy. Libya has benefited, we have benefited, so far so good IMO. The jobs not finished yet though.

[daveyrach]

Its all about oil is my guess

This annoys me, everyone says all the wars are over oil, maybe on this occasion we generally were helping the Libyan people overthrow an evil dictator.

Anyway Libya only accounts for 2% of the worlds oil production, not worth it if you ask me. Also the main oil company operating in Libya was Italian anyway so what does UK/Europe have to gain if they were already profiting?

Anyway as YC says Humans have fought over resources for centuries, but i don't think it is the case this time.

[Stingo]

This is only for Oil. It also a part of world new Map


So it's not only for oil then...

The new world map as you call it consists of a map that has been changing and developing since, well, forever really...imo of course.;)

[Raf]

Gaddafi is a hero and He was a hero. Only USA lobby don't like him like Usama. They killed them. This is not good.

Please take your head out of the sand, it's in the way of that lovely oil.

[The Idle Biker]

It is also for Oil. Where US army attacking or they have planned. There is a Oil Iraq, Iran, Libya,Afghan.

Gaddafi is a hero and He was a hero. Only USA lobby don't like him like Usama. They killed them. This is not good.

I think it's good, that fecker supported the IRA for years and sponsored terrorism all over the shop. I'm a cynic, a natural sceptic and I don't buy into everything I'm told but even I believe that guy was a murderous c**t.

[yorkie_chris]

spaaaaaam-bot...

[ravingdavis]

What's wrong with a bit of warfare for profit? Fighting over resources is what humans do.

It's not just what humans do.. many different species fight over resources/food. Its natural.

[Guss Itt]

weliI certainly don't think of either usama bin laden or Gaddafi as heros and I suspect most other sane people don't either. The thing they both have in common is how much they deserved what they got!

[husky03]

just watched the footage of him being dragged through the street alive by the baying mob then next thing he's dead,horrible to see it in someones eyes knowing that there gonna get killed-by all means he's responsible for thousands of deaths but replacing one murderous regime with another isn't something i'm comfortable with-accountability seems to be dealt with by murder in most cases in the far east nowadays.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/skyworld-25537618/secret-burial-for-ousted-dictator-27023195.html

[ravingdavis]

weliI certainly don't think of either usama bin laden or Gaddafi as heros and I suspect most other sane people don't either. The thing they both have in common is how much they deserved what they got!

I don't agree with this.

No one deserves to be dragged through the streets and murdered in cold blood in such a manner. Gaddafi should have stood trial and answered for his crimes.

[punyXpress]

Gadaffi has apparently committed suicide, he could cope with being an over- thrown dictator but the break up of Westlife was too much for him.

[maviczap]

I don't agree with this.

No one deserves to be dragged through the streets and murdered in cold blood in such a manner. Gaddafi should have stood trial and answered for his crimes.

H'mm tricky, one this while I don't particularly like the footage, distastfeful as it was, I cast my mind back in history.

I remember the 2 SAS guys who were dragged off by the IRA whilst they were doing surveilance on an IRA funeral. They were beaten, scalped and then executed, most of it on film.

Gadafi suplied most of the IRA arms, so probably one of his

I think back to Pan Am at Locherbie and all those innocent people who died because of his orders

I think of all the students who his men hung from lamposts in Lybia.

Putting him on trial wouldn't have really achieved anything other than giving him a platform to spout his view point. He would have gone to prison and served the rest of his life on a cushy number because of human rights law.

Brutal his end might have been, but its over now

[dizzyblonde]

This is only for Oil. It also a part of world new Map
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02032/gaddafi_sirte_liby_2032200b.jpg



spaaaaaam-bot...

Aye......I did notice a dodgy signature too, I was also considering if the member posting was a bit spammy ;)

However....the above quote. people who look out of the box, as regards to the underlying reasons for 'helping' to over throw the gaddaffi regime, its all about oil etc. The Western super powers are closing the net of countries they've invaded and consider conquered. The more notches on the bed post, so to speak, the better the grasp on the world will be. These countries have got mass riches(that the 'dictators' have), if the countries are taken, the spoils of war become available to take.
If the Western worlds keep these countries occupied by their troops, then indeed there will appear to be a 'new world map'.

If people don't understand this, open your eyes.

[punyXpress]

On that basis we've probably done more than our share of the fighting ( and losing good men ) but I doubt if we'll get anything remotely like our share of the ' spoils '

[ravingdavis]

Aye......I did notice a dodgy signature too, I was also considering if the member posting was a bit spammy ;)

However....the above quote. people who look out of the box, as regards to the underlying reasons for 'helping' to over throw the gaddaffi regime, its all about oil etc. The Western super powers are closing the net of countries they've invaded and consider conquered. The more notches on the bed post, so to speak, the better the grasp on the world will be. These countries have got mass riches(that the 'dictators' have), if the countries are taken, the spoils of war become available to take.
If the Western worlds keep these countries occupied by their troops, then indeed there will appear to be a 'new world map'.

If people don't understand this, open your eyes.

Why does this have anything to do with Oil, every country that we assist with that has oil always has this said about it. Yet I can list a host of countries that we have had interventions in that have no oil, nor anything to do with oil... Kosovo and Sierra Leone come to mind. We gained little to nothing to do with Kosovo yet we still went. Bosnia, Croatia etc etc.

H'mm tricky, one this while I don't particularly like the footage, distastfeful as it was, I cast my mind back in history.

(Lots of horrible atrociousness)

Should we treat evil people the same way they treat their subjects... then what makes us better than them?

[dizzyblonde]

Why does this have anything to do with Oil, every country that we assist with that has oil always has this said about it. Yet I can list a host of countries that we have had interventions in that have no oil, nor anything to do with oil... Kosovo and Sierra Leone come to mind. We gained little to nothing to do with Kosovo yet we still went. Bosnia, Croatia etc etc.



Its down to the greed of mankind, or should I say the people at the top of the tree. These dictators that we overthrow are all governed by greed, they may once have been nice people, but they get to the top and greed takes over.
Just because those that hold the key to the security of our 'civilised' country look all diplomatic and polite, suited and booted people, don't think for one minute they aren't nasty, greedy feckers themselves.
Theres always a reason countries like ours intervene in anothers messy business, they make it look like 'humanitarian reasons' rescuing poor innocent people, just to make it look correct in our eyes, but in reality theres probably something to gain by it.

I'm beginning to feel very cynical about life. I'm sure theres plenty of others out there, thinking just the same.

[ravingdavis]

I'm beginning to feel very cynical about life. I'm sure theres plenty of others out there, thinking just the same.

You sound it! I mean that in the nicest possible way!

I prefer to believe that our leaders are not so greedy. They personally have little to gain from it. They have no access to the wealth of our country and are very unlikely to be in power in 10 years time so what do they really have to gain? Public scrutiny on them is so tight and the press so ruthless with anything untoward that they cannot get away with much in the way of wrong doing.

[thulfi]

I prefer to believe that our leaders are not so greedy. They personally have little to gain from it. They have no access to the wealth of our country and are very unlikely to be in power in 10 years time so what do they really have to gain? .

Leaders are just figure head puppets. They come and go. The ones that make the real decisions, have the real power and make the real money are the forces behind closed doors that we don't even know about.

[Bibio]

the question you have to ask is why?

why do certain country's hate super powers like the UK and America with so much passion but don't others such as France or China?

most middle east country's are actually peaceful and fight amongst themselves as they have done for millennia. why do we need to stick our big boot in and stamp our authority without provocation and call it humanitarian. any one of the middle east country's would not think about doing it to us unless provoked.

this country is like America. full of brainwashed, media loving, goody two shoes who like nothing more than to shout at the TV and condemn people that they tell them to by spinning crap that the public actually believe as the gospel.

yes some leaders of other country's are ruthless but i'm afraid that they have to be as some cultres take forgivness as a sign of weekness to their authority.

if someone was thretening your family and the way you live and you had the means to remove that threat would you.....

[The Basket]

It waz French jets that bombed Gaddaffis convoy so they are in it as much as anyone and ask the Tibetans about China. Gaddaffi was a nasty piece of work and deserves zero sympathy. He killed his own people so only this time the process was reversed.

It was the Libyan people who defeated Gaddaffi and good luck to em.

[Bibio]

and we don't kill ours by sending troops to fight pointless wars that cause no threat to UK shores.

and when we do send troops to other country's and invade them under supposed humanitarian issues we wonder why those country's then retaliate.

[dizzyblonde]

You sound it! I mean that in the nicest possible way!

I prefer to believe that our leaders are not so greedy. They personally have little to gain from it. They have no access to the wealth of our country and are very unlikely to be in power in 10 years time so what do they really have to gain? Public scrutiny on them is so tight and the press so ruthless with anything untoward that they cannot get away with much in the way of wrong doing.

I'm afraid you have a rather naive POV, no disrespect. Which brings me to the next post


Leaders are just figure head puppets. They come and go. The ones that make the real decisions, have the real power and make the real money are the forces behind closed doors that we don't even know about.

This is what I'm getting at. Its not all about tin hats and conspiracy theories, just because you see something on TV, doesn't mean its the truth. Our media is controlled by the government, they say what you can, and can't know about. Censorship isn't just about how old you can be to watch a certain film! Censorship is also about what sort of information the public is allowed to hear. Its always been so, why do you think so many secrets have been revealed about past wars, and folk have been surprised, or old veterans have had a 'classified information' secret they've only just been able to tell the world about?....because of censorship and the powers that be that hold the strings.




and when we do send troops to other country's and invade them under supposed humanitarian issues we wonder why those country's then retaliate.

I'd prefer it if they were left alone to let them get on with whatever it is they fight about, keep our noses out of their business, but I'm afraid 'people that know best' just can't do that!
I don't like war, I don't like innocent people being displaced, maimed, killed, harsh as it sounds, sometimes its best just left that way, because poking more firepower and military forces just makes the matter worse

[Bluefish]

All i can say is, Good Riddence, Job Jobbed :D

[fenjer]

All i can say is, Good Riddence, Job Jobbed :D

Well, job half jobbed... I guess now "we" need to "help" get the place back on it's feet.

I for one think that he got the end he deserved, he was responsible for the murders and deaths of thousands if not millions of people, his own and others from all over the world, least of all some of my family friends in Lockerbie. He did not deserve a trail, to be able to stand on a podium and give his "followers" something to aspire to.

He got what he deserved.

[The Basket]

Gaddaffi was responsible for the the deaths of British military personnel and UK citizens with his support of PIRA and Lockerbie.

He died as he deserved. He cannot ask for mercy when he didnt give and he cant ask for a fair trail when he didnt give that either.

Dragged thru the streets and shot in the head was a little better than he deserved. 'fornicate' him.

[dizzyblonde]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ygUBxyy2Z8&feature=player_embedded

He was a Hero and He is a Hero

Spammer, but interesting link non the less.

[beabert]

I think some of you watch too many movies :D.

[arc123]

I think some of you watch too many movies I think some people watch too much news and read too many newspapers.

Main reasons for going to war in Libya:

- Oil - BP et al will again get contracts that they would not have had a sniff of before (same with Iraq, where French & Russian companies had pre-signed contracts for when the UN Sanctions were due to expire)

- Oil Currency - Gaddaffi had proposed the gold dinar (a currency backed by the value of gold, rather than paper backed by the value of... welll...) replace the dollar. Historically there is nothing that ****es of the yanks more than the suggestion of this. Again, see Iraq situation, Saddam had threatened the same action. For any not in the know, if the dollar wasn't the backing currency of global oil trade, then the US would be bankrupt.

- Nationalised oil and banking

The country reaped the rewards of oil trade, not the multi-nationals. Banking industry would not sell-out the global banksters. Libya had zero national debt, and issued interest free loans to its patriots.

Main reasons for why we DIDN'T go to war with Libya:

- Humanitarian reasons, or our dislike for 'evil dictators'. These so-called evil dictators are funded/supported when it suits our agenda.

[arc123]

http://i.imgur.com/PEkNm.jpg

[daveyrach]

Anyone seen the suggestion that fuel prices will drop by 6p per litre because the Libya conflict is now 'over', I don't believe we will ever see that at the pumps even if it did

[zesiranjha]

Aye......I did notice a dodgy signature too, I was also considering if the member posting was a bit spammy ;)

However....the above quote. people who look out of the box, as regards to the underlying reasons for 'helping' to over throw the gaddaffi regime, its all about oil etc. The Western super powers are closing the net of countries they've invaded and consider conquered. The more notches on the bed post, so to speak, the better the grasp on the world will be. These countries have got mass riches(that the 'dictators' have), if the countries are taken, the spoils of war become available to take.
If the Western worlds keep these countries occupied by their troops, then indeed there will appear to be a 'new world map'.

If people don't understand this, open your eyes.

Western Super Power countries only thing they will create a world new Map. First They should have to beat Afghans people. Russia were a big super power now Russia have many pieces.

USA will have many Pieces because of USA policies.Now Americans don't like policies, Taxes, No jobs, high crime rate.

Super Power Countries spending money on wars. They are losing their people trusts.

Now Afghan war is going to end. Super power countries killed Usama. He is a HERO of Super Power Countries, When he was supporting them against Russian war.

Now Super Power Countries should have to ready for ECONOMY CRISES. CHINA IS WIN THAT WAR.

[zesiranjha]

Aye......I did notice a dodgy signature too, I was also considering if the member posting was a bit spammy ;)

However....the above quote. people who look out of the box, as regards to the underlying reasons for 'helping' to over throw the gaddaffi regime, its all about oil etc. The Western super powers are closing the net of countries they've invaded and consider conquered. The more notches on the bed post, so to speak, the better the grasp on the world will be. These countries have got mass riches(that the 'dictators' have), if the countries are taken, the spoils of war become available to take.
If the Western worlds keep these countries occupied by their troops, then indeed there will appear to be a 'new world map'.

If people don't understand this, open your eyes.

I think some people watch too much news and read too many newspapers.

Main reasons for going to war in Libya:

- Oil - BP et al will again get contracts that they would not have had a sniff of before (same with Iraq, where French & Russian companies had pre-signed contracts for when the UN Sanctions were due to expire)

- Oil Currency - Gaddaffi had proposed the gold dinar (a currency backed by the value of gold, rather than paper backed by the value of... welll...) replace the dollar. Historically there is nothing that ****es of the yanks more than the suggestion of this. Again, see Iraq situation, Saddam had threatened the same action. For any not in the know, if the dollar wasn't the backing currency of global oil trade, then the US would be bankrupt.

- Nationalised oil and banking

The country reaped the rewards of oil trade, not the multi-nationals. Banking industry would not sell-out the global banksters. Libya had zero national debt, and issued interest free loans to its patriots.

Main reasons for why we DIDN'T go to war with Libya:

- Humanitarian reasons, or our dislike for 'evil dictators'. These so-called evil dictators are funded/supported when it suits our agenda.


The reason is only Oil. USA already losing trust and power...big example is Afghanistan.

USA govt paying the people to support them against Libya. People were happily living with Gaddafi. USA killed people only for maintain $ value.

Gaddafi were also American friend. USA always kill friend...Friend killer USA.
Usama, Suddam and Ghaddafi.......coming soon

[arc123]

The reason is only Oil. USA already losing trust and power...big example is Afghanistan.

USA govt paying the people to support them against Libya. People were happily living with Gaddafi. USA killed people only for maintain $ value.

Gaddafi were also American friend. USA always kill friend...Friend killer USA.
Usama, Suddam and Ghaddafi.......coming soon

How do these spam bots work?? pretty impressive!

[zesiranjha]

yes.You need to pretty impressive on Both!