Curvy RED Project

[LVC]

Hey all,

New to here, been biking for some time now and finally come to terms with my 1985 XBR500 being abit long in the tooth and with a pending european trip it was time to get my SV.

I always liked SV's and planned to get one someday, I even convinced a couple of pals to get one at various points. One of whom still had his 06 pointy.

Anyway, collecting and mot'ing my SV on saturday will then give it a good clean an take some piccy's for here.

Cheers

Joe

[garynortheast]

XBR500 was one of my favourite 80's bikes. Loved the clubby cafe racer look of them.

Welcome along Joe.

[LVC]

no worries might post some pics of tht once i get it sorted just gotta give it time i guess and take it easy with it, hence the SV

[LVC]

Ok guys went to look at the curvy, and low n behold it wouldn't start, long story short glazed plugs from short running on idle as it's been off the road for 18months. Also the plugs were less than finger tight but never mind.

She has been dropped and is registered CAT C but, collected it yesterday morning then a nice 40 mile ride across to Stratford to see Nigel at Pittbull Choppers, 24/7 MOT's at your convenience.

Any way it past with only one advisory on a misty fork stanchion seals probably got another 3000mls in it then need doing.

Gotta now decide whether i replace all the plastics n tank or run it naked with the bandit h/lamp n all that jazz.

Been offered a nice set of GSXR 750 upsiders with yokes free of charge so thts a maybe.

First thing tho is to strip it down a little and give it a bloody good going over, which leads me nicely onto my first question.

SV650s, is it an oil controlled cam chain tensioner, only reason i ask is that on idle there is an intermittent rattle which disappears as soon as the revs pickup i.e. increase of oil pressure. Obviously I am going to service the bike before it comes into use and therefore if it is the case it should clear up.

Joe

P.S. Pics to follow

[daveyrach]

I asked the same thing about my 1999 SVS when i first got it, apparently it is just a trait of the 'V' twin and they all seem to rattle, but mine does the same as yours disappears once the revs are above 4k.

[maviczap]

SV650s, is it an oil controlled cam chain tensioner, only reason i ask is that on idle there is an intermittent rattle which disappears as soon as the revs pickup i.e. increase of oil pressure.

No its a manual spring operated one, sounds like it needs that service quick.

Best upgrade to a later pointy CCT, K5 is one to go for I think

[daveyrach]

Does the cam chain not auto adjust then, maybe if i adjust mine the rattle will go?

[maviczap]

Does the cam chain not auto adjust then, maybe if i adjust mine the rattle will go?

No & yes

[mikerj]

The cam chain tensioners ARE automatic, it's just that the early ones seem to have occasional problems. There is a small bolt in the end of the tensioner, if you remove it you will see a slotted screw head - this allows you to release the pressure from the threaded adjusting mechanism by turning clockwise against a spring. Manually operating them a few times can help any sticking.

[maviczap]

The cam chain tensioners ARE automatic, it's just that the early ones seem to have occasional problems. There is a small bolt in the end of the tensioner, if you remove it you will see a slotted screw head - this allows you to release the pressure from the threaded adjusting mechanism by turning clockwise against a spring. Manually operating them a few times can help any sticking.

But they're not oil fed tensioners which was the original post. They are an item in the service schedule to do what you've described. So semi automatic might be a better description

is it an oil controlled cam chain tensioner, only reason i ask is that on idle there is an intermittent rattle which disappears as soon as the revs pickup i.e. increase of oil pressure. P.S. Pics to follow

Mine don't rattle

[mikerj]

But they're not oil fed tensioners which was the original post. They are an item in the service schedule to do what you've described.

Do you have a reference for this? I just had a look in my curvy and my pointy service manual and I see no mention of the cam chain tensioner in the periodic maintenance table? Obviously they have to be removed to re-shim the valves which involves slackening them off.

They are fully automatic tensioners, even if they aren't hydraulically controlled and don't work as well as they should.

[maviczap]

It might be in my Haynes, so I might be talking out of my ****

[LVC]

Thanks for the responses, gotta get down to servicing it this weekend tbh since i got back from the MOT i haven't been back into the garage at all. I've also gotta remove the rear plastics and trim cause it appears the seat support frame has taken a knock and it isn't quite square.

Had the bike laser checked and wheel alignment and head stock is all spot on so main frame is fine. Gas torch and a minor tweek is on the cards.

Binning the plastics me thinks and going for naked bike. Is the bandit headlight the same as the naked SV also the top yoke/triple tree????

Ordered a lovely set of duralium handle bars for it which should be here soon.

Joe

[leebex]

piccies ;) another nice rebuild thread :cool:

[yorkie_chris]

Don't worry about intermittent rattle, it is sleeve inside tensioner that wobbles about a bit. Nothing that affects function of tensioner.

[LVC]

Alryt all,

definatley will have photos tonight gonna take it apart and service it tonight then down to the local for a half of coke so will take some nice pics down there.

Cheers,

Joe

[LVC]

Sorry for the long delay guys, internet down and house to sort out, well good news is my curvy is fully fixed and purrs like a kitten, front tensioner spring was all bunched up so they have been replaced. Alot of people I read said how much of a ball ache it is to do.

Tbh only took me half an hour,

Now for the sad news, after working on it and getting it all sorted i then accompanied a pal to his to finish putting his LS650 Savage back together, job done both bikes running sound so we went to the local meet at the Waterman and shortly after my pal who was running my curvy as I was checking his bike was ok. He pulled into a carpark on the way back to swap bikes as we go seperate ways. As i caught up and pulled in behind him, i saw a cloud of dust and my curvy shortly followed by my best pal mid air in the car park.

As a result the bike is pretty beaten up, plastics coming off and by s to n conversion is happening a lil sooner than anticipated.

Never mind ay???

Joe

[daveyrach]

How did he end up mid air? Shame about the bike tho, hope your mate is OK.

[daveyrach]

BTW where is the front tensiner is it easy to get to? My front cylider rattles like no body's business been told not to worry but would like to fix if not quiet it down a bit. Sorry for the derail :/

[LVC]

Hi to do the front cylinder, remove the triangular side panels then remove the riders seat pad. undo the four bolts holding the tank and lift. disconnect the breather tube right at the base of the tank.

Remove the main fuel supply pipe from the vac fuel tap, also remove the vac pipe from the same tap.

disconnect the fuel sender connector that leads under the seat. lift the tank clear, remove the air box remember to disconnect the two engine breather pipes from the left hand side, you then need a 5mm ball ended long 3/8s drive hex key on and extension with a ratchet.

There is a cross bar on the frame if you look down at the back of the front cylinder left hand side and you'll see the tensioner. Simply undo the two fixings and remove the tensioner.

2/ He just piled it up on a gravel carpark, he's fine still biking on and he's paying for my conversion so all is good

Roll on stafford tomorrow!!!!

just been out in the garden and got the thing fired up, somehow he managed to kill the starter solenoid in the process but all done now.

Also the missus just put a deposit down on a 125 intruder.

Joe

[LVC]

Finally images lol

http://stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/IMG20110331_003.jpg

http://stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/IMG20110425_001.jpg

http://stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/IMG20110425_002.jpg

http://stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/IMG20110426_001.jpg

And one of my delightful on her new toy lol

[LVC]

Hi am looking for the most cost effective way of fitting naked style clock, I am aware that the early bandit items can be fitted with a bit of wiring wizardry, a speedo drive and cable.

Just wondering if the K1 digital speedo would be compatible with the SV speed sensor, i know the part number is different in the second part but this may be just down to the construction and fitment.

Anyone know if they SV sensor works with K1 bandit clocks????

Part numbers for sv and bandit respectively:

34990-35F00

34990-21E00

Any help would be good, cheers Joe

[Whyte25]

Hi

what about a Trail tech Vapour ?

http://www.moorespeedracing.co.uk/trail-tech-motorcycle-digital-speedos/trail-tech-vapor-digital-speedo-universal.html

I think Barwell has one fitted on his Pointy (don`t quote me tho`)

[LVC]

thanks for the link potentially the way forward gonna investigate these sensors first tho i think.

Joe

[LVC]

Right I pretty much got everything sourced for the re-build only thing now is the clocks really think i am gonna end up with late bandit clocks and trying to the end of the earth to make them work.

Joe

[LVC]

Well big update coming tomoz in terms of parts on the way and i have repaired and repainted the side panels not tht you could see the damage in the last photos, also straightened the subframe as that was severely off

[Geodude]

Finally images lol
http://stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/IMG20110426_001.jpg

And one of my delightful on her new toy lol

Nice, can i have a go please mister ;)

Right I pretty much got everything sourced for the re-build only thing now is the clocks really think i am gonna end up with late bandit clocks and trying to the end of the earth to make them work.

Joe

Found these sv clocks on evilbay for stupid money but thought i would put up the link anyway because what i think is stupid money may not be yours.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SV650-NAKED-CLOCKS-SPEEDOMETER-/390301961976?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item5adfcf4ef8

[husky03]

thats about the going rate for naked clocks-not many about makes them very expensive

[warmshed]

Just a thought, do you have the original clocks? if so I expect they would fit into the naked casing, this would be cheaper than buying a new/used naked clock set.

[yorkie_chris]

Sadly curvy ones are totally different between N and S. N has 2 seperate instruments for revs/speed, S is one big board.

[warmshed]

Oh well, I am a newbie to SV machines, thanks for the informed info.

[LVC]

Hello ladies and gents, further to the story of my lil red SV.

Today pretty much everything arrived to get it back on the road in it's naked guise so big conversion guide coming up this weekend.

To date I have:

XBR500 Stanley Headlight with uprated H4
Bandit 600 Clocks, cable n speedo drive
Foot rest hanger
KTM fat bars anodised gold
GS1000 aluminum lever set

I was out there just getting things sorted and noticed during the drop the exhaust alignment wasn't quite right. Should have left it there but us SV fettlers jus have to mess don't we???

Any way removed support fixings to discover the system had shifted, so much so that the bolts would not go back in. Released clamps to re angle exhaust, front clamp just snapped clean. Then thought well your this far why not take it off completely to polish.

Then comes the cylinder head one stud wound out the head with the nut the other - less than 12nm off torque and snap.

Commence the endless pen fluid, gas torch, stud extractors of 3 different type ultimately the cordless drill on my bench was staring at me. And it cam down to the ever dreaded task of drilling the stud out.

No matter how many times this has happened over the years i think i have only ever had one stud actually come out with an extractor and that was probably for a friend. Guess thats my luck.

Still it's now out and the head re tapped. Collecting the new studs tomoz and going for copper nuts this time.

Also tomoz at work I will be fitting a new male/female 18 way connector to the harness link lead and the clocks to mate them up beautifully, also got to include 3 fly leads one for the coolant temp the other two for the fuel level sensor.

Also gotta make support brackets for the clocks aswell.

Still loads of pics the weekend and hopefully a first test ride of the beasty.

Cheers, Joe

[LVC]

Wiring conversion completed, long day ahead then BIG update

Joe

[mikerj]

No matter how many times this has happened over the years i think i have only ever had one stud actually come out with an extractor and that was probably for a friend. Guess thats my luck.


Your luck is clearly pretty good as you managed to get them to work once! As as numerous people have said on the org, stud/bolt extractors are doomed to failure on seized fasteners, and are most likely to make a bad situation much worse by snapping off within the fastener. They are only realy useful for removing non-seized fasteners that have sheared off through over torquing or maybe material defect.

[LVC]

Tbh wish it was luck, I jsut spent a great deal of time studying the wiring of both bikes, its fairly easy tho pretty much just match up all the colours, cut out the speed sensor three, only mismatched colour is black n yellow on the SV to Red n Black on the bandit for tacho signal from coil. join all black n whites together for ground.

Gotta tap in an ignition positive from the illumination to the back of three LED's and then the grounds are switch via the three sensors i.e. low fuel, v low fuel and OMG your engine is boiling over! lol

Joe

[LVC]

Hey all,

Intended to update but the got the bike going this evening and have accumed 50 mile around the midlands lol

The conversion is flawless, bike runs sweet as and the KTM bars are super comfortable.

Just gotta get my indicators, curvy grab rail and gel seat.

Joe

[hannakournikova]

c'mon Joe - Pics! ;)

[LVC]

I do oplogise, jus been enjoyin having it back too much lol.

Photos tomorrow I promise!!!

[LVC]

Well Ladies and Gents I'm back an the bike is looking pretty cool still needs work but thats what the poor weather is for.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n618/Joe-framed/SV650/DSC_0579.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n618/Joe-framed/SV650/DSC_0578.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n618/Joe-framed/SV650/DSC_0574.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n618/Joe-framed/SV650/DSC_0573.jpg


Half way there

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n618/Joe-framed/SV650/IMG20110425_001.jpg

Before the accident

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n618/Joe-framed/SV650/IMG20110406_001.jpg

Joe

[LVC]

Missus just sold her intruder nice tidy lil profit!

[radicalry00]

Looking good. Looked identical to mine before the accident. Having only skimmed read the thread so I've probably missed it but how much did the bits for the naked conversion set you back?

And nice one on the sale. Is she wanting another bike?

[devojunior]

hi mate iv read through your posts and bikes looking really good,would you be kind enough to list the parts you used for the clocks i.e what bike they came from and what was required to fit them as they look very tidy cheers adam..

[LVC]

hi mate,

Yeah the parts are as follows:

KTM up n back bars, standard SV650 switches, Virago Levers and brake fluid resi, Bandit 1200 clocks, Bandit 600 speedo cable and speedo drive (must be 600, 400 n 1200 are completely different and won't fit). Naked top yoke, with the naked top yoke you can just about tweak the mounting bracket for the clocks to fit the two tapped M6x1.0 holes already there.

The next issue is the wiring, I got hold of a large multi pin connector out of a car at the local scrappy and repinned it on both sides to marry up the old fairing harness to the rest of the bike, fairly straight forward can go through it if necessary.

Headlamp brackets are 600 bandit units which require shortening if you use the naked top yoke also, the spindle is longer on the sport to the naked and as a result you will require a large washer or a nacked bottom yoke.

Head lamp used was of a Honda XBR500 with a high bright H5 bulb fitted.

The old faring harness requires the removal of the extra headlamp bulb wiring also the side light plug needs to be removed to fit a traditional bulb holder.

Any thing specific just ask, its been a while since i started lol

Joe

[devojunior]

ahh cool mate greatfull indeed ,im good with bars and headlight just really needed info on the speedo so i need 1200 clocks,600 speedo drive and speedo cable.

what did you use for rev counter ?

[LVC]

the 1200 clocks come with speedo and rev counter but u need to adapt the wiring over.

Joe