Wrong foot

[irons]

The first thread i commented in was the one about the new bike test i think, my view on the test got me backed into a corner and like many would do when backed into a corner i tried to defend myself, My view was not shared among a fair few hardcore forum users (hardcore being user's who post almost daily) and i have to say these people made me question why the hell id signed up to this forum, i came here because i own an sv, am new to biking and thought i could learn some stuff about biking and the sv in general.
Being new to biking (passed test in September) seemed to mean my view on stuff was discounted even tho it had nothing to do with bikes at times. I take on board in that original thread i got abit to defensive but with the way i was attacked at times i think it's understandable

Ever since that first thread there have been certain people who seem to have this view of me as a troll, or someone out to just cause a row. Trust me you are wrong, i have a view and just because it maybe one you don't share does not mean im looking for a row on the internet. Id like to think i am not that sad. The last thread i posted in got me insulted for basically nothing, now who is in the wrong? How can it be right to insult somebody just for holding a fairly popular view on something?

I dont post here to much because i have a very busy life, work full time and im doing the london knowledge, spare time is mostly spend with the mrs and not on here.

Just posted this to basically say sorry to anyone ive offended but the way i was attacked in that very first thread i think was uncalled for and has not helped.
Sometimes i may be wrong and talk crap but hey nobody is ever always right. we all hold our views which are made up from our own life experience's

Over and out

[Milky Bar Kid]

Anyone wanna pass the popcorn??:rolleyes:

[irons]

Will be no need for the popcorn in this one.....i hope

[Milky Bar Kid]

Oh...there will!!

[irons]

gonna go get me combat gear on then

[fizzwheel]

Nope, changed my mind. But keep it civil...

[Bluefish]

Doesn't help that most, if not all have never met you so don't know what type of person you are, so whatever opinion they have of you may not be correct, peace and love, peace and love :D

[Ed]

I don't think I need to post my opinion.

[irons]

fizz why remove what Ed wrote? it proves my point totally and is totally uncalled for i have never insulted him

Or did Ed just change what he wrote lol

Fair play Ed thats your view just because i wouldn't stop if i ran over a cat??

[Dave20046]

you make me sick

[fizzwheel]

fizz why remove what Ed wrote?

I didnt. Ed deleted it himself.

Irons, this is only going to go one way. Its going to go downhill and you are just going to get another heap load more abuse than you've already had.

I locked it to save you from yourself, but I changed my mind so here we are...

[Ed]

He didn't do anything except to lock my thread at my request. And if you need me to explain why then you really do need therapy.

I deleted my earlier post in this thread because I decided that I wasn't going to play to your games any more. You're like a spoiled child, for whom negative attention is better than no attention.

That is my final word to you.

[TazDaz]

I wouldn't worry about it - it's only the internet afterall.

[irons]

mate you know what im passed caring, the people that choose to abuse me just show themselves up, ive said sorry to anyone ive offended and have not meant to come across the way some have taken me so who's the bigger person?

You dont need to be a big man to chuck insults around an internet forum. ill take the abuse because it doesn't affect me over a computer. We can all be keyboard warriors

[SuzukiNess]

i dont wanna get involved in argument, but would like to voice my opinion - what u said in the post about the cat was totally uncalled for - especially since you dont know the OP or his circumstances etc etc. how would you feel if that was your daughters pet - how do you know that the OP's daughter isnt perhaps severally disabled and that was her only joy in life? (i'm not saying she is) but, maybe think about what you say before you do.. not surprised you have got peoples back up.. and throwing careless remarks will only result in abuse.. if you going to dish it out, i'm surprised you not prepared to accept it.

me being the type of person who would take a pigeon if i knocked it over to the vet, your opinion offended me. do you walk into a new job all guns blazing and offend all your colleagues too? or do you sus it out and wait for people to get to know you before you throw your weight and opinions about? imho think if anybody has been "be a big man to chuck insults around an internet forum" u take first prize.

[dizzyblonde]

Theres only one way to end this


http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Harry-Hill-Fight-AP-WDC5.jpg


......sorry not helping am I:smt016

[AndyBrad]

lol @ diz :)

listen chap. i know what your saying but basically its come across in a really bad way. Not your fault at all just bad timing. I think the thing is here is let sleeping dogs lie.... ?

[Teejayexc]

lol @ diz :)

listen chap. i know what your saying but basically its come across in a really bad way. Not your fault at all just bad timing. I think the thing is here is let sleeping dogs lie.... ?


Bad choice of proverb...but I get your drift..................man :cool:

[irons]

i dont wanna get involved in argument, but would like to voice my opinion - what u said in the post about the cat was totally uncalled for - especially since you dont know the OP or his circumstances etc etc. how would you feel if that was your daughters pet - how do you know that the OP's daughter isnt perhaps severally disabled and that was her only joy in life? (i'm not saying she is) but, maybe think about what you say before you do.. not surprised you have got peoples back up.. and throwing careless remarks will only result in abuse.. if you going to dish it out, i'm surprised you not prepared to accept it.

me being the type of person who would take a pigeon if i knocked it over to the vet, your opinion offended me. do you walk into a new job all guns blazing and offend all your colleagues too? or do you sus it out and wait for people to get to know you before you throw your weight and opinions about? imho think if anybody has been "be a big man to chuck insults around an internet forum" u take first prize.

I have not chucked any insults about mate. You say my post offended you and thats fair enough, its a forum we will all read a view that we find offensive i guess at some point. All i said was i wouldn't stop if i hit a cat,(also stated a valid reason why) now thats not insulting anyone and i did also say i was sorry for his loss. (just because someone wouldn't stop does not mean they dont care)
I was not the only person in that thread to state that either yet i was the only person insulted.

[dizzyblonde]

Young man, you are probably a decent sort of chap in reality, but....right now I believe you may be needing one of these

http://www.untitledbooks.com/fiction/Shovel%20ready.jpg

[Teejayexc]

Young man, you are probably a decent sort of chap in reality, but....right now I believe you may be needing one of these

http://www.untitledbooks.com/fiction/Shovel%20ready.jpg


I'd have thought he'd be better off stopping digging :confused:

[Bluefish]

Nah dizz, a JCB might be more fitting the way this has gone. Irons you really do need to stop digging.

[Stenno]

Irons, from my experience of internet forums, you can never win. Everyone has their views and opinions. Those that share yours won't make them known, but those whose differ will shout them from the roof tops at you.

Best thing to do is to forget this little bit of drama, don't let it sour your time on this forum. There are bigger issues out there!

:)

[Bri w]

Mate, before I posted in this thread I searched your posts to try and get a balanced view. I suggest you do the same.

1) You're not attacked in any way. People respond to your own direct posts with direct posts.
2) You gave an apology, then chopped a lump off making it sound a tadge hollow.
3) Your post in Ed's cat thread was your usual directness but hey it was insensitive.
4) Rather than react the way you do when someone comes back at you, take a breath and ask yourself why they've occasionally jumped at you. Maybe you're right but not every time.
5) And if you do read through all the posts you've made, just how many times has someone had a pop? Not many. A touch sensitive maybe?

Having met some of the strong opinionated people on here I can say they're nice people and I'd happily have a pint with them again. If you're gonna post an opinion, be prepared to have some disagree with you, and maybe strongly.

[irons]

ah yea mate i know, this was not intended to make everyone love me etc just wanted to try and explain. If people on here still want to hold those views of me then its cool i really wont loose any sleep over it but at least i know i tried, i could just make another user name but that would be far to easy lol and far to much effort for this

[irons]

Mate, before I posted in this thread I searched your posts to try and get a balanced view. I suggest you do the same.

1) You're not attacked in any way. People respond to your own direct posts with direct posts.
2) You gave an apology, then chopped a lump off making it sound a tadge hollow.
3) Your post in Ed's cat thread was your usual directness but hey it was insensitive.
4) Rather than react the way you do when someone comes back at you, take a breath and ask yourself why they've occasionally jumped at you. Maybe you're right but not every time.
5) And if you do read through all the posts you've made, just how many times has someone had a pop? Not many. A touch sensitive maybe?

Having met some of the strong opinionated people on here I can say they're nice people and I'd happily have a pint with them again. If you're gonna post an opinion, be prepared to have some disagree with you, and maybe strongly.

1) a direct post in reply does not contain insults? did you read the whole of the bike test thread?
2)not sure why i made it sound hollow was just speaking as i find
3) what's insensitive to some is not to others, i was genuine about his loss but just asked what was expected if you did stop, never been in the position was just being honest. was not meant in that way
4) you said people didnt attack me in point one then they do occasionally jump at me? i do admit i can sometimes type before i think tho
5) i dont think so, dont get me wrong im not crying over being attacked in threads. I said i was in that bike test one and i do feel like i was. thats it, has not had me in tears but did give me a bad attitude towards certain people on here thats all

[AndyBrad]

Bad choice of proverb...but I get your drift..................man :cool:


peace... man...

[Milky Bar Kid]

irons - You post this thread in an attempt to make people realise that you are not all bad and then you go over onto Ed's rideout and take the p*ss! You really do not help yourself and by running around the forum shouting about what a victim you are, you are not endearing yourself to many on here.

This forum has a wide and varied appeal to different personalities. There have been some MEGA arguments, sorry, debates, in my time alone but we all - usually - managed to agree to disagree and shake hands at the end. You, however, seem to be entirely incapable of this.

Should you dislike the "attitude" in this forum as much as you seem to (given all your crying about it) then I suggest you ask Fizz to retire your account. On the otherhand, you could MTFU and realise that a heated debate in here is nothing more than that and it is not people attacking your opinions, get on with the forum, get to the AR and STOP BLOODY MOANING....

That is all.

[irons]

irons - You post this thread in an attempt to make people realise that you are not all bad and then you go over onto Ed's rideout and take the p*ss! You really do not help yourself and by running around the forum shouting about what a victim you are, you are not endearing yourself to many on here.

This forum has a wide and varied appeal to different personalities. There have been some MEGA arguments, sorry, debates, in my time alone but we all - usually - managed to agree to disagree and shake hands at the end. You, however, seem to be entirely incapable of this.

Should you dislike the "attitude" in this forum as much as you seem to (given all your crying about it) then I suggest you ask Fizz to retire your account. On the otherhand, you could MTFU and realise that a heated debate in here is nothing more than that and it is not people attacking your opinions, get on with the forum, get to the AR and STOP BLOODY MOANING....

That is all.
MBK i posted on Ed's rideout as a joke, part of being on a forum is having a laugh. Lighten up. Read the post's, i aint crying about nothing i wanted to say sorry for offending anyone i have and to start fresh. Where is the problem in that?
Im not a victim nor do i wish to be labelled one, get over yourself women

[dizzyblonde]

peace... man...
http://rlv.zcache.com/give_peas_a_chance_mousepad-p144268870828899728trak_400.jpg


get to the AR and STOP BLOODY MOANING....

That is all.


Thanks for the free bump:smt037

[Milky Bar Kid]

MBK i posted on Ed's rideout as a joke, part of being on a forum is having a laugh. Lighten up. Read the post's, i aint crying about nothing i wanted to say sorry for offending anyone i have and to start fresh. Where is the problem in that?
Im not a victim nor do i wish to be labelled one, get over yourself women


That's the thing though Irons, you don't seem to be able to shut up!!! Stop when you are winning!

As for crying about it - read your OP in this thread...off the top of my head "but the way I was attacked it's understandable". You believe people are attacking you...if someone is attacked, do they not usually perceive themselves to be a victim???

FURTHER to that, infact no, I have deleted this because I am not willing to sink to your level.

You are another matt yokes.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Thanks for the free bump:smt037

You are most welcome Lou bear!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[Bri w]

1) a direct post in reply does not contain insults? did you read the whole of the bike test thread?
2)not sure why i made it sound hollow was just speaking as i find
3) what's insensitive to some is not to others, i was genuine about his loss but just asked what was expected if you did stop, never been in the position was just being honest. was not meant in that way
4) you said people didnt attack me in point one then they do occasionally jump at me? i do admit i can sometimes type before i think tho
5) i dont think so, dont get me wrong im not crying over being attacked in threads. I said i was in that bike test one and i do feel like i was. thats it, has not had me in tears but did give me a bad attitude towards certain people on here thats all

Mmmmm, Jeez don't know why I bothered.

Do you ever take onboard at least part of someone else's opinion? I'm trying to throw you a rope so you can climb out of the hole you're digging and all you want to do with it is hang it around your neck.

[fizzwheel]

I wanted to say sorry for offending anyone i have and to start fresh. Where is the problem in that?

There isnt one. Except you arent starting a fresh are you.

OK you say it was a joke, but can you see how Ed and some other people might not have interpreted it that way, and that how you get labelled as a troll or trolling, because it looks like to some that you are posting to wind people up or take the p*ss.

Heres a hint. This is exactly how you are coming across now... whether you mean to or not. This is also how you came across in that "all speeding is bad / dangerous" discussion we had ages ago...

[dizzyblonde]

You are most welcome Lou bear!!!!!!!!!!!;)

Theres a Lou Bear??? OMG we're in trouble if there is:D

Aside, everyone has to come to the AR, by order of ME:smt080 Unless of course yer name ain't ont list

[irons]

Bri mate i took on your opinion just replied with my view on it

ok boys and girls i give up, people are far to serious (sorry some people) on here. I tried to start a fresh and say sorry and just have a laugh but no im crying or playing the victim or upsetting Ed (dam dont upset Ed)

Ill use this forum and F@ck anyone that i upset now let me go get my troll hat

[The Idle Biker]

Irons me ol mucker, did you say you're doing the knowledge, London cabbie? That is an excellent career choice for you friend. Cabbies always have strong opinions and they have a captive audience to bang on at and they usually talk a load of tosh. I'll be your friend and I'll take you the rideout and you can make makeup with everyone by kissing their leather clad asses........only joking now.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Ill use this forum

I do wish you wouldn't.

[MiniMatt]

Oh crap have I missed drama? I live for drama, can't you people wake me or something? Jeez, what do I pay you for?

I'll be honest, I have an on-again off-again relationship with Teh Org. Can do big stints then need to take a break for a while. I've gotten into some stonking rows with folks here (Neio, wherefore art thou?) and my PM sent items is full of apologies to folks when I realise I've crossed the line.

Actually, side note, your avatar used to be the same as Baph's and when I returned (you can never leave) to the org I just assumed he'd undergone a name change for some reason. Ooops, sorry Baph :)

Anyway, meh, it's possible to have really really stonkin rows with folks but there are rules, some written, some unwritten. Rule one is to keep it clean and relatively intelligent - the "U" rating may be more aspirational than fact but this isn't pistonheads and "lolz f4gg0t" and the like will never work here. Rule two is to avoid personal attacks, attack an idea by all means, attack a viewpoint by all means, but don't descend into personal attacks. Rule three is *try* to put yourself into other people's shoes first - there is a time and a place for every argument and sometimes it's just not worth it - people in grief or in the middle of significant events in their life are not targets for your argument or even your comment, tell them what they'd like to hear at that time and move on, there'll be time later for a better debate.

There are probably many more rules, but by and large pretend that everyone behind this anonymous board is actually your mum. You're a grown up, you're allowed to disagree completely with your mum, and chances are your mum (like most mums) holds some decidedly odd views worthy of more than a little derision. By all means point out the folly of those views, but if you suddenly learnt that an anonymous Org user was your mum, and she learnt also of your identity, would that put you in a tricky place. If so, don't post, or re-phrase.

[21QUEST]

Some ironic post on here but since I'm not looking to offend anyone, I'd not be quoting any posts :rolleyes:

Here's one for some of the overly dramatic queens(ed is not being referenced ) on here....if the cap fits, then that's yous :smt016

Apparently a wiseman once said...

"You can guarantee that at every passing point in time, there is someone talking outta their arses" ...if we time it right when we happen take a look in the mirror, the reflection would provide proof of that :p ;) .

Some folks really ought to take a chill pill...no one is perfect. And it's perfectly normal to be quite defensive when attacked..not going to argue/debate about rights and wrongs with regards to who/when etc etc

[21QUEST]

I do wish you wouldn't.
MBK, have you met Irons?

[Milky Bar Kid]

Nope. And to be fair, I am not normally one to judge in this manner but no one seems to be able to reason with Irons. Have you been involved in any of the other threads? The bike test thread (which I have read again tonight) started off with a lot of the people involved agree with Irons however, it then resulted in "everyone attacking" him.

I shall refer you back to my earlier post in this thread and the point where I said either he stops moaning and learns to take it all with a pinch of salt without referring to everyone attacking him, OR he takes a MTFU pill and gets on with it and gets his backside to the AR to have a laugh!

[irons]

MBK you are one of the people that have got me all wrong. i understand why and thats why i tried to explain it in my op. The bike test thread i wrote alot of stuff which came across the wrong way but you and others i felt went were abit to ott. Just my view you may think you wasn't.

This post has been all about trying to just say sorry for offending and explain the reason why i may have come across with an attitude towards certain people, you have then come on here and started with silly post's about crying, moaning needing to man up etc. what use is any of that? really? Everything you have accused me of id say you do yourself, its actually funny to watch you

[Milky Bar Kid]

See - you take everything as an attack on you! I am trying to say forget about it all and stop thinking everyone is having a go and then get yourself to the AR.

Whatever. Someone give me popcorn and I shall watch this with interest.

[Holdup]

http://www.kornspace.com/main/e107_images/emotes/default/popcorn.gif

[irons]

See - you take everything as an attack on you! I am trying to say forget about it all and stop thinking everyone is having a go and then get yourself to the AR.

Whatever. Someone give me popcorn and I shall watch this with interest.

read over your posts in this thread, turn it around and tell me how you would take it

to me when someone says quit crying and moaning and man up and i wish you wasn't on this forum that is not saying forget it stop thinking everyone is having ago lol
anyway MBK lets just forget it and move on

[garynortheast]

Is this the five minute argument?

[Specialone]

I fall asleep on the sofa, wake up and all this has happened.

Where's the love gone ?

Irons dude, I do truly believe some of your posts are genuine just not worded well, but once people have a negative vibe off you, even when you're being genuine it's hard for people to differentiate between the good and the bad.

You're probably never gonna endear a lot of people on here to you due to what's been posted previously, but just rise above the 'attacks' as you perceive them and just post on the topics you want factually and genuinely and ignore any negative posts, people will soon see you differently.

I'm not exactly shy of giving my opinion, but I'll try to do it at the right times.

[irons]

I fall asleep on the sofa, wake up and all this has happened.

Where's the love gone ?

Irons dude, I do truly believe some of your posts are genuine just not worded well, but once people have a negative vibe off you, even when you're being genuine it's hard for people to differentiate between the good and the bad.

You're probably never gonna endear a lot of people on here to you due to what's been posted previously, but just rise above the 'attacks' as you perceive them and just post on the topics you want factually and genuinely and ignore any negative posts, people will soon see you differently.

I'm not exactly shy of giving my opinion, but I'll try to do it at the right times.

cheers mate, i admit i word things poorly. should of paid more attention at school haha

To change subject and stop the arguing can anyone think of a reason (apart from crap braking and bad road surface) that front brakes may lock up? Mine has twice in the last month when not even braking hard

[barwel1992]

I fall asleep on the sofa, wake up and all this has happened.

Where's the love gone ?

Irons dude, I do truly believe some of your posts are genuine just not worded well, but once people have a negative vibe off you, even when you're being genuine it's hard for people to differentiate between the good and the bad.

You're probably never gonna endear a lot of people on here to you due to what's been posted previously, but just rise above the 'attacks' as you perceive them and just post on the topics you want factually and genuinely and ignore any negative posts, people will soon see you differently.

I'm not exactly shy of giving my opinion, but I'll try to do it at the right times.

same was a away a few days and war has broken out

ok so im a cat lover, but did not take offence to what you said (not read it all the comments) and can see where your coming from kinda, but i my self wouldn't have that view but hey its up to you what you do. Be different if that was your view if youd hit a kid or something and no they are not the same before any one starts.

the thing in ED's ride out thread seemed like a wind up and shouldn't have been posted but hey people make mistakes dont we all.

i dont know the ins and outs of it all but to me it all seems a bit pathetic that all of this seems to have erupted over one comment if you dont like what some one says then tuff its a free "so to speak" country and every one can have there opinion

if i have got the wrong end of the stick then im sorry but to me thats how most of this come's across

[Milky Bar Kid]

cheers mate, i admit i word things poorly. should of paid more attention at school haha

To change subject and stop the arguing can anyone think of a reason (apart from crap braking and bad road surface) that front brakes may lock up? Mine has twice in the last month when not even braking hard

You'll be getting a row for derailing your own thread soon....;)

[irons]

You'll be getting a row for derailing your own thread soon....;)

haha ill be on here at 3am rowing with myself about it

[Stenno]

And the beat goes on...

[Milky Bar Kid]

And the beat goes on...

Alright Sonny...


Drums keep pounding a rhythm to my brain....

[-Ralph-]

You definitely write things with the sole purpose of provoking a reaction, trolling, and you have admitted to doing it. Don't do that unless it's a light hearted thread or somebody is yanking your chain. If you want to do it for amusement, go do it on Visordown and they'll think your a hero.

When you make a joke, think about whether that joke is going to be funny. I'll play devils advocate, and say that tonight's post in the ARTNW wasn't a troll posted to wind up Ed, but genuinely intended as a joke. On a sensitive night for Ed, when you knew you'd already upset him, you then tried to joke with him. How did you think he was going to take it?

Don't rephrase things people have said, then expect everyone to just agree with your version of it. You saying it that way doesn't make it true, and people are not stupid, they can read the original post and make up their own minds. Tonight you tried to ask why you were the only bad guy in the thread, because I had bricked a cat to death because I thought it was the right thing to do. Anyone reading my post can see that in stopping the car, tracking down the cat, crawling up the side of a garage in a business suit, and carrying the cat out (or actually it was more like half a cat), that my primary concern was for the welfare of the cat. Just because you rephrased it, that doesn't suddenly give you a "bad guy" to compare yourself to, and you fooled nobody.

Finally, don't argue every point that is made tooth and nail, using daft arguments and misquotes like the one above to back them up.

You'll notice that I backed you up in a recent thread on Petrol vs Diesel. People are pretty objective on here, and most won't give you any grief, and most will be happy to have a debate with you and treat you just the same as anyone else, if you are playing the game by the rules. If you don't play games by the rules, then you can expect to be disqualified from that game by your peers.

[Lozzo]

Irons - I don't like what you write... that is all.

[The Idle Biker]

Oh no, here we go again.........

[irons]

Ralph dude im not and never have been a troll lol id never even heard of it until you said it. My opinion does provoke reaction sometimes but thats only because in the few threads that have gone that way i have not held the mainstream view

the cat thing is well ott, i don't agree with what you did but wouldn't argue with you over it i don't think your a bad person for doing. i was more making the point that i was not the only person who said i wouldn't stop.

i didnt notice you had agreed with me in that thread, didnt review it to be honest but hey its a first eh? lol

[irons]

Irons - I don't like what you write... that is all.

same as mate, no hard feelings

[-Ralph-]

the cat thing is well ott, i don't agree with what you did but wouldn't argue with you over it i don't think your a bad person for doing

Not a problem.

The cat literally had half it's rear end missing or ripped open, it was writhing in incredible pain, it was going to die more slowly from it's injuries, or possibly be in pain for another hour or so until a vet put it down with an injection. I stopped that pain in a instant with a single swift blow to the head, and I would do the same for any small animal. I wouldn't do it for a larger animal as I don't have the means to do it quickly, or the knowledge to do it without error.

I'm quite satisfied that I did the right thing given the circumstances and I'd do it again in an instant.

You are quite entitled to disagree, I wouldn't argue with you over it either.

[Milky Bar Kid]

LOL! I am loving the peace and love here people! So unusual for the org!

[Sid Squid]

Everyone has their views and opinions. Those that share yours won't make them known, but those whose differ will shout them from the roof tops at you.
Not to pick you out Stenno, but you make a very good point, and it's very true, but I would gently and respectfully suggest that's not quite how it is in this though, there was a clear and simple choice to be made in a circumstance like this - internet or not - reply or don't reply.

Ed posted of an unfortunate occurance, the specifics of which don't much matter one way or another, there was an opportunity for respondants to sympathise, or if they don't wish to sympathise, then to say nothing.

If your gut feeling isn't to sympathise, the decent, grown up choice is to say nothing.

Wishing to do otherwise than sympathise demonstrates, (and I'm being as generous as I can be), a certain insensitivity at best, and possibly a less happy chararcter trait - a dismissive attitude to the thoughts and feelings of others, but presented in the guise of a rational and sensible comment. A needy desire to be heard whatever the cost.

Whatever the logical sense of your reply, there is a time for rationalisation, and there is a time for commiseration.

How hard can it be to discern the difference?

Not hard at all.

[Speedy Claire]

The OP might appear arrogant or argumentative but personally I feel it`s down to a lack of emotional intelligence and maybe some work in that area wouldn`t go amiss.

“emotional intelligence” is defined in terms of emotional empathy, attention to, and discrimination of, one's emotions, accurate recognition of one's own and others' moods, mood management or control over emotions, response with appropriate (adaptive) emotions and behaviors ...
www.psychological-consult.com/resources/glossary.html

[Bluefish]

Not to pick you out Stenno, but you make a very good point, and it's very true, but I would gently and respectfully suggest that's not quite how it is in this though, there was a clear and simple choice to be made in a circumstance like this - internet or not - reply or don't reply.

Ed posted of an unfortunate occurance, the specifics of which don't much matter one way or another, there was an opportunity for respondants to sympathise, or if they don't wish to sympathise, then to say nothing.

If your gut feeling isn't to sympathise, the decent, grown up choice is to say nothing.

Wishing to do otherwise than sympathise demonstrates, (and I'm being as generous as I can be), a certain insensitivity at best, and possibly a less happy chararcter trait - a dismissive attitude to the thoughts and feelings of others, but presented in the guise of a rational and sensible comment. A needy desire to be heard whatever the cost.

Whatever the logical sense of your reply, there is a time for rationalisation, and there is a time for commiseration.

How hard can it be to discern the difference?

Not hard at all.
Agree with sid here, basically it comes down to if you haven't got anything nice to say then say nothing, unless it's a discussion about brake pads, then it doesn't really matter what type you use, argue away. I'm not the most sensitive person so rarely post in threads about lost loved ones etc, ed's cat thread was one of these, Irons i think you just need to know when not to post if it is not going to help the situation.

[-Ralph-]

www.psychological-consult.com/resources/glossary.html

From the link...

"balancing of honest expression of emotions against courtesy, consideration, and respect"

Something that a lot of users could do more of on this forum. Not saying that a lot of users have a psychological problem, in that they can't do this, but many, me included, often make too little effort to.

The trouble is disrespectfulness and argumentativeness breeds in an environment if it starts and is allowed to snowball (think workplace, school, whatever, the forum is no different), then because people are being treated in a certain way, they respond and approach the environment in the same way themselves.

In some circumstances it is very difficult to react in a nice manner, but lot of us could actually improve the environment by taking a look in the mirror! I'm going to make more of an effort to be nice myself.

[-Ralph-]

PS: The old adage of don't type what you wouldn't say to someones face doesn't help with a lot of the characters on here, because there are quite a few of us who would be quite unafraid to repeat what we have posted to the users face, the difference is that face to face the conversation wouldn't reach the point where they felt it necessary, they would need to be more annoyed to do so, and there's a subtle difference between the two. On the forum people are quicker to reach that point, or in some cases just reach that point from the word go. It's not that a lot of peoples personalities change on the forum, they are not different people face to face (though that is the case in some cases), but they are just less restrained in letting their personalities show. More restraint is needed.

[ImplodedHamster]

Is this the five minute argument?
i think it going to be the full half hour
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[Sally]

Sorry, but you lot are acting like 10 y/o's.... ;)

Its an internet forum, not like someone's personally attacking you :)

Why can't everyone just get along and be happy? :)

[Sid Squid]

Sorry, but you lot are acting like 10 y/o's.... ;)

Its an internet forum, not like someone's personally attacking you :)

Why can't everyone just get along and be happy? :)
Is this the new definition of irony?

Consider also the user name of the OP, the puns just keep on coming!

[Sally]

I am going to be honest, i don't get the pun, very slow today after a long night!

I was just taking this pi$$ :)

[Dicky Ticker]

OK Whatever

[Milky Bar Kid]

OK Whatever
:winner:

[Chandler93]

Is it wrong that this thread makes me moist?

[tinpants]

rofpmsl!!!!!!!!

[thulfi]

Irons in this very thread you've basically acknowledged your main problem. I wouldn't have known so cos I'm not the forums biggest user, but you're admitting this:


4) you said people didnt attack me in point one then they do occasionally jump at me? i do admit i can sometimes type before i think tho

So if you acknowledge that, then are you surprised at the responses you're getting? How is anyone to know if a post in front of them was written before thinking. You're behind a keyboard, and this isn't a speed chess forum, so you can take your time and correct this part of your org'ing that is seemingly affecting people views.

You are another matt yokes.

Who is that? Bring back matt yokes.

[BanannaMan]

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[Quedos]

Sorry, but you lot are acting like 10 y/o's.... ;)

Its an internet forum, not like someone's personally attacking you :)

Why can't everyone just get along and be happy? :)

there be the voice of experience!!:D

(Love ya hunni) YOu know its just jealousy - wish I could act that age age - I'm too old for that now!

[ManxMatt34]

lol @ diz :)

listen chap. i know what your saying but basically its come across in a really bad way. Not your fault at all just bad timing. I think the thing is here is let sleeping dogs lie.... ?

I don't know the full story behind this as i'm abit too lazy to read back through various threads. But AndyBrad i must say this is the best timed comment by the sound of what the original kick off was about dear o dear me lol i love you.

I think nearer the end i read a post from Ralph, i assume it was you who hit the cat which is where the argumeant came from originally? Compeltly unrelated to the argumeant. ..... i Hit a Hare about 12 months ago the day i came back from Paulthe6ths actually with my Mrs on the mountain. We were doing 70mphish but now hearing your story i wish id gone back and checked if the animal was actually dead.
It sends abit of a chill down my spine thinking of having to kill the animal in your case a cat off essentially "by hand", but would probably do the same in the future having read this. That is all, i assume i got the right end of the stick and not the s***y end. Matt.

[ManxMatt34]

I will say though that whatever the whole story behind this, i've been involved in a few argumeants. Infact on here with people whom afterwards i've been on some fantastic rides or socials with, so whats said is said. I try to be abit more chilled now a days, certinaly on the forums (when i get time to post). You learn and move on.

As far as i'm concerned i know that all of you great in your own way people on here, are all ace in some way or another not to blow everyones trumpet but it does give me a real buzz going on the meets. I've met quite a few involved in the "argumeant" and also not met others, but am looking forward to doing so on ARTNW and the AR this year, so keep it clean not mean peoples :D. Seen this person is at the "centre" of the argumeant. Irons, you'd be more than likely welcome on most meets, i'm the one with the Manx Plates.
And do yourself a favour that i've found on here, THINK BEFORE TYPING, AND DON'T LICK PEOPLES ARSES!. Cheers Matt.

[Owenski]

Who let you out of your box?

[ManxMatt34]

Who let you out of your box?
Rach, shes at work all day, means i'm allowed to play. For a few hours atleast anyway. P.s. must ring you Owenski i forgot. Sorry. Matt.