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Hey thought you might find this lil project me n me ol man have been working on quite interesting:
We finished this week rebuilding a RV125 Van Van with a CCM spec suzuki supplied 400 water cooled single, similar to the DRZ unit.
CCM do a hot ignition module, hi lift cam and competition pumper flat slide carb photos to follow.
Joe
http://www.stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/van1.jpg
http://www.stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/van2.jpg
http://www.stevelockton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/van3.jpg
Amplimator
02-05-11, 08:25 AM
WOW, a 400 van van! I wants.
Geodude
02-05-11, 08:30 AM
Cool :cool: i demand more photos ;)
Very nice, I like it a lot, apart from the radiator hanging out the side. Those tiny little brakes could be interesting...
Going across today so will take some more, out of interest, you tell me where else on a bloody van van you gonna put the rads LMAO ;)
It is suprisingly good on the stoppers with the front disc mainly cause it weighs next to nothing, big chunky tyre puts the power down nicely too.
Also runing Xring DID chain and a custom rear sprocket from sprockets unlimited so it has DRZ gearing, front wheel up in every gear lol
That looks excellentl, well done on making something utterly barking mad.
I approve wholly :-)
Glad you all like the crazy lil project, tbh i have got a whole heap of stuff on the house to do, my SV to rebuild, my XBR clubman to get back up and running amongst other things and somehow i still find time for stupidity in the purest form lol
Once again your enthusiasm and great comments are greatly appreciated, just keep an eye out for the mad thing at the waterman or bassets pole in the midlands.
Joe
Well it has already eaten its first drive sprocket...
yorkie_chris
16-09-11, 11:22 AM
That will be mental! Giz a go! :-D
DJFridge
16-09-11, 11:44 AM
That is properly mad! The question is, is it worth 3 drive sprockets a year to ride it? (I'm guessing the answer is probably yes)
andrewsmith
17-09-11, 04:14 PM
That will be mental! Giz a go! :-D
+1
Hows the van van chassis holding up?
Also how long does the rear tyre last- a lot less than the sprockets I'm guessing
TBH rear tyre is no probs cause of how big the thing is and also its a super hard compound. The sproket issue has been resolved and we can now source steel sproket to suit the vv hub. It is absolutly mental having finished run in we are just looking at a DMC can for it and potentially a smaller rad although they are fantastic leg shields. Glad you can all find amusement and wonder at our lil creation. More photos when i get back to england
STRAMASHER
21-09-11, 07:45 AM
Think its you that will be having the amusement O.D. with that thing. Looks a hoot.
Always wished suzuki had a bigger version... but never imagined THAT. Top job. Looking fwd to more pics. :cool:
hindle8907
21-09-11, 07:50 AM
:) nice !
vardypeeps
21-09-11, 11:39 AM
Looking forward to the photos. That's a brilliant little project!
Thats either genius, hilarious, madness or downright dangerous! lol Whats next? TL1000 motor into honda C90 step through?
Fantastic!! 8)
CCM spec motors are still under 40hp - but compared to the 12hp of a VanVan engine even a stock 32hp DRZ motor would be mental!
Owenski
23-09-11, 12:26 PM
Fantastic!! 8)
CCM spec motors are still under 40hp - but compared to the 12hp of a VanVan engine even a stock 32hp DRZ motor would be mental!
Derail - Skip I picked up an FCR for the drz the other week, collecting some E cams on Saturday. I'll keep you posted on the gains.
-Ralph-
23-09-11, 04:37 PM
It's 120kg odd dry, and a 400cc 40bhp ish motor, I was kind of wondering why all the superlative posts saying how mental it would be. Depending what you've done with the gearing, it's going to be about half way between an ordinary DRZ and a standard SV, and probably about 75% of the power to weight ratio of a standard SV.
Great work, fantastic as mods go in fact, I'd much prefer a 400cc Van Van to a 125cc, and I'm sure it's going to be great fun to ride, but it's not going to be mental.
DJFridge
23-09-11, 08:23 PM
It's 120kg odd dry, and a 400cc 40bhp ish motor, I was kind of wondering why all the superlative posts saying how mental it would be. Depending what you've done with the gearing, it's going to be about half way between an ordinary DRZ and a standard SV, and probably about 75% of the power to weight ratio of a standard SV.
Great work, fantastic as mods go in fact, I'd much prefer a 400cc Van Van to a 125cc, and I'm sure it's going to be great fun to ride, but it's not going to be mental.
Oh Ralph, you killjoy you. Mental is relative. No, it's not going to be RC8 R fast but that isn't the point. It's like putting an enormous engine in the back of an 80s Skoda. It still wouldn't beat a Ferrari, but it's inappropriately fast for what it is. And therefore more fun.
It's 120kg odd dry, and a 400cc 40bhp ish motor, I was kind of wondering why all the superlative posts saying how mental it would be. Depending what you've done with the gearing, it's going to be about half way between an ordinary DRZ and a standard SV, and probably about 75% of the power to weight ratio of a standard SV.
Great work, fantastic as mods go in fact, I'd much prefer a 400cc Van Van to a 125cc, and I'm sure it's going to be great fun to ride, but it's not going to be mental.
You haven't ridden a stock Van Van have you? Putting a DRZ/CCM400 motor in one is a stupid idea, and one I wholly applaud. Van Van's don't really handle, they struggle to cope with the power of an insipid 125cc engine. Sure it's not going to be a fire-breathing monster like a turbo'd Hayabusa, but it'll be bloody lethal if my experience of Van Vans is anything to go by.
DJFridge
23-09-11, 09:39 PM
You haven't ridden a stock Van Van have you? Putting a DRZ/CCM400 motor in one is a stupid idea, and one I wholly applaud. Van Van's don't really handle, they struggle to cope with the power of an insipid 125cc engine. Sure it's not going to be a fire-breathing monster like a turbo'd Hayabusa, but it'll be bloody lethal if my experience of Van Vans is anything to go by.
+1. Wifey had a VanVan and you're right Lozzo, handling isn't quite the right word for how a VanVan travels. It will go around corners, I'm just not sure how.
-Ralph-
23-09-11, 09:43 PM
Yes, I've ridden the Van Van, it kind of 'floats' :lol: and I have no doubt this bike'll be right laugh, especially if it's still geared for 17bhp and a 70mph top speed, but for me mental means it has to do something extraordinary, and that doesn't just mean rip your arms off acceleration like a the turbo'd Busa, it could be a 250cc monkey bike which popped the front wheel up at the slightest whiff of throttle and was a nightmare to control, that would be 'mental' too. Something where you get off shaking your head in disbelief at how mad it was.
That's how I imagine a CCM engined Van Van will be. An engine that far outclasses the chassis... as it ought to be. A stock DRZ engine is wild enough for its own chassis and way more fun than other bikes of their type, so sticking a tuned version of that engne in a chassis that can barely cope with the pathetic 125cc engine they come with would be an absolute hoot.
Years ago my mate Mark (Rocky) Roche put a Kawasaki H1 500cc triple 2-stroke engine in a Honda SS50 chassis. It took him 2 years of work to get it all together. He rode it from his house to the MOT station but stopped 500 yards away and pushed it back proclaiming "It's ***kin' stupid, way too stupid even for me". He then set about dismantling it. That's the kind of bike I love.
-Ralph-
24-09-11, 08:09 AM
Ah well, LVC will just have to me test ride it, see if he can change my mind ;-)
Specialone
24-09-11, 08:24 AM
Lvc, you're a midlander then being as you mentioned BP and the waterman ?
( I know I should've been a detective ;))
Whereabouts are you?
Great work on the vv, love to see it in the flesh sometime.
yorkie_chris
24-09-11, 09:23 AM
Great work, fantastic as mods go in fact, I'd much prefer a 400cc Van Van to a 125cc, and I'm sure it's going to be great fun to ride, but it's not going to be mental.
Doesn't the vanvan have a stupidly short wheelbase?
This is a project with no possible gain. There is no practical reason that engine and chassis would want to go together... it's not like a GSXR 7/11 or a cagiva mito with a 350LC engine in it or an RS250 with a big single, or even your turbo busa... they're all good at doing stuff... there is no reason for it to exist... which is what makes it mental and so worth doing!
andrewsmith
24-09-11, 09:35 AM
Doesn't the vanvan have a stupidly short wheelbase?
This is a project with no possible gain. There is no practical reason that engine and chassis would want to go together... it's not like a GSXR 7/11 or a cagiva mito with a 350LC engine in it or an RS250 with a big single, or even your turbo busa... they're all good at doing stuff... there is no reason for it to exist... which is what makes it mental and so worth doing!
Slabbie with NoS YC? :lol:
yorkie_chris
24-09-11, 09:50 AM
Well it's been done, it's nothing new, it fulfils the purpose of going mind bendingly fast in a straight line very easily... nah.
Pretty mad in it's way but meh.
andrewsmith
24-09-11, 04:53 PM
Well it's been done, it's nothing new, it fulfils the purpose of going mind bendingly fast in a straight line very easily... nah.
Pretty mad in it's way but meh.
Slabbie motor in a C90 or burgman :lol:
Slabbie motor in a C90 or burgman :lol:
Read post #24
andrewsmith
25-09-11, 07:55 AM
I did mate!
Trying to plant a seed in YC's head
Specialone
25-09-11, 08:55 AM
I'd like a sv or similar v twin in a DRZ frame, not sure how practical it would be or even if it would fit, but that power in a light ish frame trailie would be a laugh I'm sure.
-Ralph-
25-09-11, 09:01 AM
I'd like a sv or similar v twin in a DRZ frame, not sure how practical it would be or even if it would fit, but that power in a light ish frame trailie would be a laugh I'm sure.
The SV650 frame isn't that heavy, if you fancy a project just keep the engine frame and swingarm. I'd love a ride on this on the dirt...
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Schultzee/DIRTBIKES/suzuki_sv650_enduro_1.jpg
Though what I'd really like a go in is your go kart, with an SV650 engine :mrgreen:
andrewsmith
25-09-11, 09:04 AM
Nice Ralph
*Trots off to ebay looking for suitable parts*
Bless you all, I am based in shustoke, coleshill now. The VV does serve a very important job regardless of minor negativity. My ol' man has recently had alot of trouble with the old knees after many many years as a biker and a postman. Not exactly the most beneficial combination for the human body.
He built the bike as he thought it was a fun, different way of going at a fair pace with all the fun of riding something that people look twice at. The bike is fantastically light and therefore much easier on the legs than his Sportster, He also has a BSA B25ss runnin a B40 1964 engine but can't bare the pain of constantly kick starting. I built him that bike for his 50th some 5 years ago now and it helped him rekindle some memories of his youth.
If any of you have ever seen the MAY edition of BIKE magazine you'll be familiar with the article Stayin Single: Original CCM powered BSA B25SS, first ever road legal CCM. Look out for it I might scan and post it, that gentleman was my father. Forever mad.
The VV is just him aging gracfully.
Specialone
25-09-11, 11:16 PM
Only 10 mins from me, im in castle bromwich.
I have bike mag delivered so will look back at Mays edition.
Col, i wouldnt mind a go on that as well, wonder how much you could get a front crashed curvy for? ;)
andrewsmith
26-09-11, 06:16 AM
£549
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUZUKI-SV-650S-ENGINE-ONLY-5528-MILES-/170697768633?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27be613eb9#ht_920wt_1034
Specialone
26-09-11, 06:37 AM
That's just the engine :rolleyes:
£549
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUZUKI-SV-650S-ENGINE-ONLY-5528-MILES-/170697768633?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27be613eb9#ht_920wt_1034
If you read the listing, it says it came off a 58 bike. Why post a curvy pic then?
Bless you all, I am based in shustoke, coleshill now. The VV does serve a very important job regardless of minor negativity. My ol' man has recently had alot of trouble with the old knees after many many years as a biker and a postman. Not exactly the most beneficial combination for the human body.
He built the bike as he thought it was a fun, different way of going at a fair pace with all the fun of riding something that people look twice at. The bike is fantastically light and therefore much easier on the legs than his Sportster, He also has a BSA B25ss runnin a B40 1964 engine but can't bare the pain of constantly kick starting. I built him that bike for his 50th some 5 years ago now and it helped him rekindle some memories of his youth.
If any of you have ever seen the MAY edition of BIKE magazine you'll be familiar with the article Stayin Single: Original CCM powered BSA B25SS, first ever road legal CCM. Look out for it I might scan and post it, that gentleman was my father. Forever mad.
The VV is just him aging gracfully.
Apologies ommitted the "Bike mag, May 1978*" lol
andrewsmith
26-09-11, 06:44 PM
£549
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUZUKI-SV-650S-ENGINE-ONLY-5528-MILES-/170697768633?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27be613eb9#ht_920wt_1034
D'oh wasn't the right one!
Just pulled off the history that is well dodgy tbh
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