Osama Bin Laden DEAD

[metalangel]

Oorah!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676


Al-Qaeda founder and leader Osama Bin Laden has been killed by US forces in Pakistan, President Obama has said.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0RhatoNw9fU/SszM R0YaK5I/AAAAAAAACuQ/u-W7WQSvwYI/s400/Marines+in+Afghanistan.jpg

[BigBaddad]

Just on the news.

[mister c]

Will have to see if there are any reprisals around the world now. Fingers crossed there wont be, but, with these extremists, you never know.

[SV Mad]

About bloody time, but being the pessimist, I expect there will be someone just as mad about to take over the leadership!

[Specialone]

I'm glad but, it will just give the radicals / terrorist factions more drive to carry on IMO.
As most organisations, there will always be some 2nd or 3rd or so on in command ready to take over.

Finally, I hope civilians don't pay with their lives over this with more attacks.

[Berlin]

But they've killed the boogie man! They'll have to invent a new one now!
We can't be without a boogie man, We need to be controlled by fear.

C

[aaron020873]

great news, but i can't help but agree with the others about some other nutter taking over, and more revenge attacks on civillians..

[Specialone]

Further breaking news, there is speculation the Americans have disposed of the body already in the sea.
Suddenly, I've got very suspicious of what's gone on.

[Berlin]

So did I but then I realised it makes sense in several ways

1) Who would want the body? It'd become a shrine and no one would want it on (under) their land.

2) Islam requires a quick burial. Withing 24 hours of death. By burying him at sea they are appeasing the non radical muslim world. They also solve the burial and disposal problem. There are pictures on the internet (deliberately leaked) that show him with a bullet hole in his head. They don't look photoshopped.

3) It is far better for the "war on Terror" not to have found him. The Boogie man is "Still out there somewhere" and so the use of it is helpful for controlling brain dead Americans. Now the Boogie man is dead the fear control is lost (they will find another one, I'm sure and I'm sure its been meticulously planned in case they ever did catch him.)

C

[dizzyblonde]

But they've killed the boogie man! They'll have to invent a new one now!
We can't be without a boogie man, We need to be controlled by fear.

C

Well quite...which brings me to the next question

Further breaking news, there is speculation the Americans have disposed of the body already in the sea.
Suddenly, I've got very suspicious of what's gone on.

Thats because its all consiracy theory. He was never a real person(well he was, but he was made up, hes probably really called Ali baba), he worked for the CIA;)

And yes Islamic law does require the body to be buried within a set time, then after that there are IIRC a three day 'prayer' period, then after that something else, but its rather a while since I attended a muslim funeral, and I can't remember the correct protocal. Also another point is that the body is required to be buried in the place where the person died, unless it is being taken back to another country. So perhaps this is another reason for hm to be buried at sea....technically still in Pakistani waters?

[Lucas]

Osama bin Laden's death lifts dollar but hits gold, silver and oil.. :rolleyes:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ianmcowie/100010088/osama-bin-ladens-death-lifts-dollar-but-hits-gold-silver-and-oil/

[Lucas]

European shares advance on bin Laden news...


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/businesspro-us-markets-europe-stocks-idUSTRE7411TE20110502

[Nick762]

Well Osama, here's where you find that the translators got it wrong. It's not 73 virgins or even 73 tubes of sherbet waiting for you on the other side. It's Henry Cooper and he wants to have a quiet chat with you about July 7th.

[metalangel]

They've got DNA samples from his family and from his body now, to confirm it to the skeptics.

[timwilky]

so, he was in Pakistan, a supposed allie in the "war on terror".

Bit like saying Hitler never committed suicide, but was living the quiet life in Brighton.

No wonder the yanks never shared the info that they knew where he was

[fenjer]

I think I must be the only one who thinks this isnt a "great achievement" (it took them ten years FFS) or a "massive step forward".

He's just one person, does anyone really think that the extremists will just say "Oh, well, no great leader, lets just give up now."

*shakes head and wanders off*

[keith_d]

I'm sure there will be someone equally nutty along soon, but will they be equally wealthy? It would be interesting to know what Osama did with his money because without it the terrorists could be a bit strapped for cash. It takes a fair pile of dollars to run a jihad.

There's a nice article on the subject of terrorist finance here, http://lorettanapoleoni.net/?p=220

Keith.

[maviczap]

I think I must be the only one who thinks this isnt a "great achievement" (it took them ten years FFS) or a "massive step forward".

He's just one person, does anyone really think that the extremists will just say "Oh, well, no great leader, lets just give up now."

*shakes head and wanders off*

Sorry Fenjer but a big +1 here, I couldn't help shake my head watching the news and seeing the Yanks celebrating outside the White House & at Ground Zero.

Do they think that by killing him anythings going to stop?

Sure getting him was a result, but long term there's just as many nutters who will have even greater cause to kill & cause mayhem in the name of Bin Laden.

[The Basket]

Wikileaks reports from interrogations stated that if Bin Laden was killed or captured...

They would detonate a nuclear device.

So...,

[dizzyblonde]

I think I must be the only one who thinks this isnt a "great achievement" (it took them ten years FFS) or a "massive step forward".

He's just one person, does anyone really think that the extremists will just say "Oh, well, no great leader, lets just give up now."

*shakes head and wanders off*

No yer not;)
Hence my 'conspiracy theory' comment. Is this another ploy to keep us little folk happy for a while? And more to the point, overt our eyes away from what is happening in Libiya, Siria, etc.....oh but we had a Royal Wedding, so we forgot about that anyway:rolleyes:
Nutters the lot of em...including the White House!

[Sid Squid]

It could go either way, there may be an outbreak of extremist fervour, or, and I consider this more likely, there will be very few tears shed for bin Laden in the Islamic world.

Most truly Islamic groups - agree or not with their aims - are fully aware of Bin Laden's, and by extension al-Qaeda's, intentions, which had precisely sod all to do with faith or any particular variety of God, and lots to do with prostituting stupid young men's faith into giving up their lives for the political advantage of charlatans like Bin Laden.

Is this a positive thing? No, clearly not, the use of force is never to be considered a positive, but in this circumstance I'll not fret too much over his death and I rather doubt much of the Islamic world will either.

[dizzyblonde]

Think my mates FB status say it all really

Yeah yeah, well done USA, but lets be brutally honest here... It's only taken you 10 years to catch a man in flip-flops and a dressing gown!

[DanAbnormal]

Capturing and then killing Saddam did very little in Iraq so I expect this to be the same. Okay, turned out Saddam had almost nothing to do with the extremists in Iraq at that time but still. One man falling, even a so called leader, means little. In fact it will probably strengthen their resolve to create more mayhem in his name. Bin Laden is now more dangerous than ever.

[Owenski]

I sit firmly on the fence with this.
Yeah its taken 10years for a superpower to capture one bloke in flip flops and a bath robe which seems sort of embarrasing when you look at it like that. However the world is a pretty big place and I cant imagine him taking many long walks in the sun over the last 10years so as the article says they've found him through his associates rather than thru tracking the man himself - but think how right they needed to be... imagine if they did have the wrong guy. They needed to be 100% that this was him, mistakes would not be forgiven and so 10years unarguably is a long time but it sends out one massivly clear message.

Mess with the USA and they WILL find you, it might take 10years but they WILL come for you and the chances of it ending well for you are, well NILL!

If any of the extremists are smart enough to see that picture then maybe they wont be as keen to fill those vacant flipflops.

[metalangel]

Do they think that by killing him anythings going to stop?

Nobody is saying this except Brits posting anti-American comments in response to all this. Both Obama (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13257110) and Cameron have said it's definitely not over. That doesn't prevent you from being glad the *******'s been dealt with, though, does it?

[maviczap]

Nobody is saying this except Brits posting anti-American comments in response to all this. Both Obama (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13257110) and Cameron have said it's definitely not over. That doesn't prevent you from being glad the *******'s been dealt with, though, does it?

You missed my point, the way the yanks were celebrating gave the impression that its all over, which is naive.

My comments aren't anti American, I don't know where you get that impression

Never said I wasn't glad he's gone, quite the oppoisite, I hope he died in the most horrible and painful way possible, in fact I hope the spirits of the people who died in the 9/11 & 7/7 attacks dragged him to his own personal hell

[Pedrosa]

The face of radical Islamist Terrorism has reaped what he deserved. However brainwashed radicals by their thousands exist today,masquerading under all manner of names.It is sadly not over.

Pakistan has much to answer as to why he has survived thus far,they are NOT to be trusted. He was living in a house that stood out as being "8 times" larger than anything else around and was situated just 1 kilometer from Pakistan's version of Sandhurst! Impossible to believe that certain high ranking Pakistani's were not aware of his presence.

[metalangel]

Sorry maviczap, don't mean to attack, just this isn't the only forum where I've seen exactly that comment and I think it's unfair. It's a bit like telling people to stop dancing on May 8th, 1945 as there's still fighting in the Pacific.

They're especially cavorting in Washington and NYC because those were both hit in 9/11. Don't forget that Bin Laden has been (rightfully) demonized in the media there for a decade so this is a huge, pent-up sigh of relief they're expressing.

[maviczap]

No worries mate

[Jordy]

Great news and to be fair it can't have been easy locating him he hardly ever had to leave his residence and had no internet/phone, a man used to living in caves and surrounded by guards/watchmen. Justice for America finally and a good example set to other terrorists (not that it will detere them, but you can't just take it).

Where are these pictures of him leaked? Anyone have a link?

[Dave20046]

Slightly more pessimistic reporting here http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/140067/20110502/osama-bin-laden-dead-will-al-qaeda-detonate-nuclear-bomb-now.htm

Jordy just google image search bin laden dead may 2011

[Spikenipple]

There is only a single picture I can find of his body, and it is the worst and most blatant photoshop i've ever seen. I won't link it, but type it in on google images and sort by age. Notice the blurred edges on the head and the complete resolution difference between the top and bottom halves of his head.

[grh1904]

It could go either way, there may be an outbreak of extremist fervour, or, and I consider this more likely, there will be very few tears shed for bin Laden in the Islamic world.

Most truly Islamic groups - agree or not with their aims - are fully aware of Bin Laden's, and by extension al-Qaeda's, intentions, which had precisely sod all to do with faith or any particular variety of God, and lots to do with prostituting stupid young men's faith into giving up their lives for the political advantage of charlatans like Bin Laden.



Sid I agree with most of your sentiments, along with what Fenjer said as well.

While I agree that the vast majority of Muslims will shed very little in tears, I do feel that his followers will want their "revenge", this is not a time for us to drop our guard......................

In this country & others how do we announce the death of our monarch, the phrase "THE KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE KING" springs to mind,

I can't help but think there is a NUMBER TWO (phnarr phnarr!!!) to this particular Dr. EVIL.

[rob_rossi_46]

has anyone seen his dead body??? no? well i very much doubt he is dead then. most probably payed millions by the americans to disappear again as he was payed to say he carried out 9:11. a guy sat in a cave hijacking 2xplanes. cant see that. so obviously was the american government needing an excuse to go into Iraq. or "oil"raq.

[Owenski]

has anyone seen his dead body??? no? well i very much doubt he is dead then. most probably payed millions by the americans to disappear again as he was payed to say he carried out 9:11. a guy sat in a cave hijacking 2xplanes. cant see that. so obviously was the american government needing an excuse to go into Iraq. or "oil"raq.

So if his broadcasts were sent from a fully furnished studio then it would have been made all the more plausable in your eyes? Your only comment on his guilt relates to the location they filmed... weak.
I very much doubt his dead body will be paraded on international televison, his religion is very well known and if the USA disrespect the burrial process of that religion then they'll get more than an earful from citizens and politions globally. If we see anything it will be documents confirming it, test results etc, nothing more.

[Berlin]

"Yeah yeah, well done USA, but lets be brutally honest here... It's only taken you 10 years to catch a man in flip-flops and a dressing gown! "

... Carrying a dialysis machine

[keith_d]

It's an American publicity stunt arranged to distract attention attention from our Royal Wedding. They didn't want to be outdone by a little island somewhere in Europe!! :D

Actually, I wouldn't fancy being a high profile royal going on a honeymoon about now....

[thulfi]

I very much doubt his dead body will be paraded on international televison, his religion is very well known and if the USA disrespect the burrial process of that religion then they'll get more than an earful from citizens and politions globally. If we see anything it will be documents confirming it, test results etc, nothing more.

Well it all sounds a bit fishy to me. The most wanted man in the world that took 10years to find, and they take one snap and throw him into the sea within 24hours??!

When they killed Saddam's sons in an air raid we were provided with multiple good pictures - when they were bloodied and afterwards when they had been cleaned up for burial, etc.

The whole 'buried him at sea quickly not to offend muslims' is ball crud. The guys been killed, if he was shredded into a million pieces hardly any muslims would give a toss, probably cos the vast majority don't consider him as one anyway. What's more is that if they really wanted to go by the Islamic way of things they would have buried him on land which is much preferred to sea burials.

I don't doubt for one moment that he's not dead. Probably been dead for some time. America could never claim his assassination if they were not sure of his death. But I think recently (or not so recently), America found out for sure he was dead for whatever reason and probably thought they could play it to their political advantage in one way or another down the line.

Very nicely timed with all the arab revolutions going on at the moment, or perhaps the administration looking to win more votes. Either way, I can't beleive such a prized possession that took 10years to find would be photographed once and then dumped into the sea...I mean why the sea?!

[maxinc]

Can someone explain this photo of supposedly dead Bin Laden I've seen on Sky News this morning? Was it the official photograph released by the US or just something Sky downloaded from the internet?

http://i.imgur.com/XcmrW.png

[dizzyblonde]

Can someone explain this photo of supposedly dead Bin Laden I've seen on Sky News this morning? Was it the official photograph released by the US or just something Sky downloaded from the internet?

http://i.imgur.com/XcmrW.png


NSFW folks:smt018

[dizzyblonde]

http://hugelaughs.com/pictures/bean.jpg

this is more palatable;)

[21QUEST]

Can someone explain this photo of supposedly dead Bin Laden I've seen on Sky News this morning? Was it the official photograph released by the US or just something Sky downloaded from the internet?

http://i.imgur.com/XcmrW.png

Apparently a fake...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

[maxinc]

So there is no photo confirming this and the body was disposed in less than 24h. Did this guy ever existed?

[dizzyblonde]

I've said before, Osama Bin Laden didn't, the face of the fella did....was called Ali baba and was employed by the CIA ;)

[xXBADGERXx]

The photo is a fake as has been pointed out and was last used when Bush was in power when he made the famous Gaffe "The Lord works in Mischevious ways"

[thulfi]

Actually, the more I think of it the more hilarious this gets. Dumped him in the sea??! lool. They could have made it a bit more plausible at least!

[rob_rossi_46]

i agree. americans always have to be the centre of attention. britain has had a day that gets the publics spirits high so america have made this up now.

[maxinc]

I don't usually follow the news or read the papers but I'm terrified seeing how little is needed to swing the public opinion around the world.

[xXBADGERXx]

We shall soon find out as , no doubt , there will be "Trophy Kill" pictures of the Navy SEALS with their intended prey . Let`s face facts , if you were the guy who had got the kill of the worlds most wanted man then you have a story to tell , maybe even a book deal under anonymity . And Pictures do circulate amongst the forces of such kills , it would not be long before it is in the hands of the press . I know there will be levels of professionalism and maybe the SEALS have refrained from doing this but ultimately the world will want proof to satisfy themselves . The proof may be held back for the time being to stop any further uprisings in an already unstable and hostile environment .

[robbie09]

It would seem a hard one to judge...

Apparently the compound was well guarded and set up to protect OBL, yet there were reports of 4 dead? (OBL included)

One chopper apparently went down and was subsequently blown to smithereens by the seals :S

The level that Pakistan must have turned a blind eye to OBL's little operation must have been incredible...

And why if they were going to kill OBL and get rid of the evidence so quickly...why didnt they just JDAM the ****er and send all his mates with him?

Hopefully more information comes out over time...

*note to self* - Change avatar...

[Berlin]

It's an American publicity stunt arranged to distract attention attention from our Royal Wedding. They didn't want to be outdone by a little island somewhere in Europe!! :D

Actually, I wouldn't fancy being a high profile royal going on a honeymoon about now....

Good point! Very possible they were tipped off this was going to happen so postponed.

and it turns out the photo was fake (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake)

C

[dizzyblonde]

Think my mates FB status say it all really

Yeah yeah, well done USA, but lets be brutally honest here... It's only taken you 10 years to catch a man in flip-flops and a dressing gown!


"Yeah yeah, well done USA, but lets be brutally honest here... It's only taken you 10 years to catch a man in flip-flops and a dressing gown! "

... Carrying a dialysis machine

LOL, well judging that hes been carrying that since 2000 or so, hes been going rather well don't you think!

[thulfi]

Fox news does it again
http://www.breakingcopy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/obama_bin_laden_dead_typo.jpg

[Bluepete]

Fox news does it again
http://www.breakingcopy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/obama_bin_laden_dead_typo.jpg


That is soooo wrong! Wrong, wrong, bad.

Pete

[SoulKiss]

Just seen the news reports and I have to say that I find the "Yank in the street" reaction of celebrating to be very distastful

So, one guy that was as involved in the actual atrocities as Obama/Blair/Bush/etc have been in the War on Terror got killed by a murder squad sent in specifically to kill him.

Thats really something to celebrate that is.

A figurehead has been knocked over, but there will be many waiting to take his place.

Nothing to celebrate really.

[G]

Really? The more I hear about it the more suspect the whole story sounds!

When saddam was captured the whole things was captured on film... The footage of his execution was shown and his body shown.

This guy has been killed... 3 days ago in Pakistan... And has had a sea burial... Sounds utter bolloxs to me.

[Sid Squid]

I love the conspiracy theories and theorists.

So much more to laugh at than the actual news.

[Lozzo]

I really would like to know why Navy Seals were given the authority to be judge, jury and executioner. They obviously had no intention of bringing him back alive.

[thulfi]

I love the conspiracy theories and theorists.

So much more to laugh at than the actual news.

What sounds more realistic to you...

The most wanted man in the world who took 10 years to hunt down, captured, killed and flown 1500km south to be dumped at the nearest coastline with the only picture (so far at least) being a photoshop fake from a man who had been killed two years ago...

or

He died from kidney failure not too long ago, and instead of America telling the world how he evaded them, then died from natural causes, they come up with this convenient set up to show the world they can't be evaded, will find anyone and will always triumph?

It's the crock we're being fed on the news that is hilarious. Should there be a trophy killing picture/other pictures then we'd stand corrected, but as it is now why should we believe any of it? Because they said so?

Wouldn't he have been more valuable to America alive? They could have waterboarded the sucker like theres no tomorrow in order to extract information out of him. Instead it doesn't seem at all like they tried to get him out alive. Just killed him and dumped him for shark food in the blink of an eye. Hmmm:rolleyes:

[steve 1052cc]

I really would like to know why Navy Seals were given the authority to be judge, jury and executioner. They obviously had no intention of bringing him back alive.

Had they took him alive what were they going to do with him, just think about the consequences a trial, jail sentence or death penalty. His supporters taking Hostages, or more terrorist attacks to get him released, they did the only thing they could.

[thulfi]

Had they took him alive what were they going to do with him, just think about the consequences a trial, jail sentence or death penalty. His supporters taking Hostages, or more terrorist attacks to get him released, they did the only thing they could.

Another thought, perhaps they extracted him alive. They're telling us he's dead whilst they torture him for more info. When they're done they'll just kill him. Saves on having to do things by the book, trial, etc.

Less likely than the chance he was already dead and they're claiming it, but a possibility no doubt.

He's too valuable a target to kill off just like that.

[robbie09]

Taking him alive would be worse than what may have happend IMHO...just as steve1052cc said all the martyrs in the world would surface trying to get him back.

The only real strange thing is lack of evidence when they've been trying to get this bloke for 10 years...you'd think they'd have released somethingggg

And what about that bloke from MI6 saying that they got intel from guantanamo bay which has recently been in the news for being totally ****ing useless.

[dizzyblonde]

Less likely than the chance he was already dead and they're claiming it, but a possibility no doubt.
.

But he never existed;)

More to the point...how the hell, can a six foot four Arab wearing an even bigger towel on his head, not be noticed in a quiet leafy suburb in the 'Sandhurst' of Pakistan?

And when are the doing Osama the movie....starring Ali G in the leading role:smt082

oh....and now Osama is gone....they'll be looking for the 'man with the blue turban' as described by Nostradamus!

[Milky Bar Kid]

I think the whole thing is asking for trouble. OBL killed in the run up to the 10th anniversary of 9/11??? Dangerous. Very dangerous.

[thulfi]

More to the point...how the hell, can a six foot four Arab wearing an even bigger towel on his head, not be noticed in a quiet leafy suburb in the 'Sandhurst' of Pakistan? !

It couldn't have been him! I could sweaar I saw THE Bin Laden walking about in Aylesbury in 2004. Not a look-a-like but the man himself, I'm sure of it!!

[dizzyblonde]

It couldn't have been him! I could sweaar I saw THE Bin Laden walking about in Aylesbury in 2004. Not a look-a-like but the man himself, I'm sure of it!!

I suppose you saw Elvis with him too!

The real one has been working at Willy Wonkas for years, everyone swears its him!

[thulfi]

'Elvis aint dead, he just went home'!

[robbie09]

Apparently they have footage of the burial at sea...

I thought theyd have just shoved his body out the choppa 'bon voyage' :S

[Reeder]

I think the whole thing is asking for trouble. OBL killed in the run up to the 10th anniversary of 9/11??? Dangerous. Very dangerous.

But imagine if they hadn't have acted and lost him AGAIN. They did what was right and at the right time in my opinion.

[Lucas]

Another thought, perhaps they extracted him alive. They're telling us he's dead whilst they torture him for more info. When they're done they'll just kill him. Saves on having to do things by the book, trial, etc.

Less likely than the chance he was already dead and they're claiming it, but a possibility no doubt.

He's too valuable a target to kill off just like that.

The US probably got enough intel over the last two years while spying on him, also ST6 would have taken all intel from the house, I guess everything they ever need.

Interesting it all happened after the royal wedding then the newly weds delayed their honeymoon on Saturday, they must have known.

[robbie09]

Interesting it all happened after the royal wedding then the newly weds delayed their honeymoon on Saturday, they must have known.

LOL..romantic honeymoon in Abottabad postponed...Kate must have been ****ed...:smt050

[toxic]

Video of him being shot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc4b6sVXCu4&feature=youtu.be)

[yorkie_chris]

But they've killed the boogie man! They'll have to invent a new one now!
We can't be without a boogie man, We need to be controlled by fear.

C

They've known where he is all along, just waiting for a point where the economy's completely f***ed to cap him to give everyone a lift eh

[Stenno]

As a mate said, chances are his body will washup on a beach off of the coast of America sparking a spring break shark alert or knowing the yanks, they've cocked up and dropped his body over land, which when discovered will cause a Roswell type incident. :P

[metalangel]

And why if they were going to kill OBL and get rid of the evidence so quickly...why didnt they just JDAM the ****er and send all his mates with him?

Because if all you're left with is a smoking crater, you can't be sure if you got him because you'll never know if he'd actually been home at the time.

[Pedrosa]

I wonder if any members or leaders of radical Islamist organisations have paid any heed to the recent taking to the streets in a good number of Islamist countries?

To my knowledge not one single protesting group was looking for the abolitition of democracy and the severing of all links with western powers in favour of a return to strict Islam rule. Strange that isn't it?

[thulfi]

Gaddafi is dead too, here's the picture! (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gaddafi-is-dead-too-heres-the-picture/183028235081909?sk=wall)
(https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gaddafi-is-dead-too-heres-the-picture/183028235081909?sk=wall)

[Pedrosa]

The threat of terrorist attacks worldwide has caused us westerners to be very nervous and to conform with heightened security requirements, especially at airports.

But greater fear and loss of life has been caused by these radicals to their own people,fellow muslims. We must remember that far more muslims have been killed by these maniacs than westerners. Plus it has seen almost EVERY muslim out there be despised and feared by us.

These barbarians do not stop to think of the impact of their actions and rantings to their own people at all, they simply persue their own twisted ideals.

[Owenski]

But greater fear and loss of life has been caused by these radicals to their own people,fellow muslims. We must remember that far more muslims have been killed by these maniacs than westerners. Plus it has seen almost EVERY muslim out there be despised and feared by us.


FTR those fellow muslims who have been killed by the actions of the extremists are included within the death toll of the innocents killed. No where following 9/11 did I see a list saying 2000 innocent people killed (plus a hundred or so muslims) if you're an innocent victim then you're an innocent victim your religion plays no part in placing that label.

Im not there so I dont know what its like in Spain but "almost EVERY muslim out there be despised and feared by us" is the most misguided statement I've read on here for a while. If every muslim was judged by the actions of the extremists then the UK wouldnt function, or at the very least Yorkshire wouldnt function lol.
Maybe in spain when people see the dark colour man with a beard people are more eager to scream terrorist and run but around here contact with muslims is a regular as breathing. Hell if I "despised and feared" all muslims I'd never be able to buy Petrol or a newspaper.

[Viney]

Face. Bothered.

[Pedrosa]

Mr.Owenski....

I used a little journalistic license in order to exaggerate my point. I don't think that even you can deny that Muslims were,(especially in the immediate aftermath of 9/11) viewed with much suspision. In the U.K. not quite the same degree of knee jerk reaction as the U.S. but it was there under the surface.

Young men who were born in the likes of Bolton,live off benefits and then up and go join the Mujahadin did not help either.

Spain might well have a different view. As the country was invaded,conquered and ruled by "The Moors"= Arabs for many centuries. Those that arrive illegally today from Morrocco are not a great advertisement either.


On a personal front peace loving muslims I have no beef with,I have friends of that faith. These deranged hard liners though are a different thing altogether. I think that you failed to recognise the underlying sympathy for the ordinary muslim in my previous entry.

[Owenski]

Mr.Owenski lol, love it!
Clearly we've never met or you'd be calling me littleman knobcheese or something similar, dont be worried about offending me, although I could get used to Mr Owenski :)

Im not out to accuse you of been a racist so your "on a personal front..." message is not necessary. I dont deny in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 some people out of ignorance did see a dark skinned person and immediately assume they were therefore a terrorist (I've seen the youtube vids to prove it).

My problem comes with your journalistic License, that doesnt come across in type but your words do and it was the words that I responded to. In addition the use of caps lock and your choice of words was unfortunate, if thats not your actual oppinion then fair enough but if you put it in type then you can see why I'd be led to object.

[Pedrosa]

To emphasise my friendlines to normal muslims,tonight I will be enjoying a takeaway watching Barca Vs. Madrid with a chap of that very persuasion.:)

[Paul the 6th]

Just watch him in case he's anything suspicious in his bag! Only joking, but when 5ft 2" blonde women wearing red dresses & stilettos start hijacking/bombing, then would it be unreasonable for people to suspect every blonde haired little red riding hood to be somehow connected?

Also it's interesting to see how many Islamic protectors will take to streets burning flags & screaming for blood when something of their religion is insulted, but they won't march & chant with the same passion to distance themselves from the nutters who think they've got god in their pocket.

I'm not particularly a fan of Islam.... but then I can't stand Christian fundamentalists either. Or buddhists, the lazy sods! Actually, come to think of it I dislike all religions equally.

I do believe there's other life in the universe & I'd like to think there's other things going on which we don't yet know about (energy, karma etc) but I won't go threatening to kill non believers nor would I blow myself up for it. That's just silly.

Anywho back on topic - any conspiracy theorists in this thread yet? Apparently Osama died on dec 2001 from lung problems/kidney failure, and this whole thing has been staged to pour some petrol on the flames of the war against terror? Funny how the guy was buried at sea & someone took high quality pics of the obama administration watching the operation live on tv? They don't normally do that do they?

[andreis]

I personally just don't get it why everyone is so damn happy about it. Let me tell you how I see all of this:

Some organization on this planet, made up of a handful of man, which may or may not exist (let's say I swing for the "may exist" part) organizes terrorist hits around the planet. 4000 people die as a result over the course of 15 years. That's 267/year on average. The man upstairs uses this as political ammunition to propel whatever he sees fit at the moment, mostly MORE violence. A HUGE HUGE HUGE amount of resources is being spent to upgrade security everywhere, fund military & intelligence operations, fund propaganda and so on. 10 years after a major attack, the person publicly charged with the assault is deemed dead.

In the mean time, just in the good ol' US of A, 30000 people die every year on account of road accidents (that's 10 9/11's EVERY year, and 20% of those are just bikers). 1000000 on account of diabetes (that's 333 9/11's EVERY year). Cancer alone is responsable for a lot of deaths. That means, that, esentially, a huge huge huge amount of the resources this world has available to it is dedicated to a minor minor minor risk. How minor? Well, as George Carlin would put it, more people die from food poisoning every year. "Terrorism" is a MINOR risk. MINOR!!

So, how is it that we've come to celebrate the naivity of the human nature?? More importantly, how is it that everyone seems to think that it's ok to celebrate the vengeful and violent side of humans? Or more correctly put, the exploitation of the potential for adaptability that the we humans posses, the twisting of our nature?

I'm sickened by this whole charade and the fact that it still works so well...

I hope to make people wonder about it when they read this, even if some will be infuriated at first

[yorkie_chris]

Not infuriated at all, I agree with you.
The reds we had governing us previously used this non-threat as an excuse for encroaching further on liberty.

As for the wars started as a result of it, who knows what the real agenda is, if it's oil then lets be fair oil supply is far more of a potential threat to our current way of life than any raghead of a jihadist bent.

[aaron020873]

Not infuriated at all, I agree with you.
The reds we had governing us previously used this non-threat as an excuse for encroaching further on liberty.

As for the wars started as a result of it, who knows what the real agenda is, if it's oil then lets be fair oil supply is far more of a potential threat to our current way of life than any raghead of a jihadist bent.

if it's oil why worry? it's running out anyway, and when it does all of the arab states where the oil is will be worthless.

and remember 9/11 had it's own conspiricy theories so did OBL organise it? or was he used as a scapegoat and in fact the western world has it's own extremists.

[Biker Biggles]

Does anyone know if Dangerous Dave had a hand in this?

[dizzyblonde]

But of course he did, cause nobody can prove he existed either!

[xXBADGERXx]

Does anyone know if Dangerous Dave had a hand in this?

US Navy SEALS carried out the operation , as far as I know no UK B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T artists were involved

[Bluefish]

Anyhow dave, dangerouse or not, is now a submarine commander serving in Switzerland, or so they say :rolleyes:

[garynortheast]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
--Martin Luther King, Jr

[BanannaMan]

Lots of talk here in the US about bin laden's death.
Most people are glad he got what he deserved but most also think there will likely be some retalliation by al qaeda.



















Should have made him suffer a bit first....

[Bluepete]

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1419570_anti-terror-police-arrest-five-men-close-to-sellafield-nuclear-site

[wyrdness]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
--Martin Luther King, Jr

That's not an accurate quotation. It's been mangled by the Internet and MLK certainly didn't say the first sentence.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/out-of-osamas-death-a-fake-quotation-is-born/238220/)
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/05/the-shy-woman-whose-words-accidentally-became-martin-luther-kings/238309/

[wyrdness]

Does anyone know if Dangerous Dave had a hand in this?

US Navy SEALS carried out the operation , as far as I know no UK B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T artists were involved

It was purely an American operation. No Brit would ever take out the Bin on a Bank Holiday.

[Pedrosa]

Does anyone know if Dangerous Dave had a hand in this?

No but I am reliably informed that Chuck Norris played more than an advisory role.:cool:

[Quedos]

Anyone know about the truth behind the rumours that UK was paying Pakistan to keep him there anyway.

[metalangel]

Oh nooo, this is typical American gung-ho 'frontier justice'...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/05/the_white_house_has_had.html

[Owenski]

Not sure if this will work as the pic is taken from my cousins facebook page.

She's in New York at the moment and visited ground zero yesterday...

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230794_10150283563504045_532874044_9568805_2171116 _n.jpg