Is it illegal?

[Reeder]

Is it illegal to have shotgun cartridges if you don't have a fire arms license? Just found 6 in my kitchen cupboard?!

[sv4me]

Ahhhhhh i'm telling

[Bibio]

if they are live then i would presume so.

[MisterTommyH]

Don't think so.

[andrewsmith]

yes as its live

[Reeder]

Then apparently we're breaking the law. Just found 6 in my kitchen cupboard... as you do.

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[Bibio]

i take it you have just moved into a new house?

[Specialone]

Reeder, personally I wouldn't post that on a public forum.

I don't think it's legal to have live ammo, hence mine is hidden ;)

[Reeder]

Nope, not a new house and the kitchen was only redone a couple of months ago...

I don't care about posting it on here :D might pop them into the bobby station tomorrow if there's no excuse why we have them?

[steve.w]

Not illegal to own cartridges you only need a shotgun licence to buy them not to own them unless law has changed fairly recently.

[Specialone]

Not illegal to own cartridges you only need a shotgun licence to buy them not to own them unless law has changed fairly recently.

I didn't know that tbh, not sure I'd like to find out though.

[Reeder]

I'm guessing it'd be illegal to try and make some contraption to try and fire these?

[Specialone]

I'm guessing it'd be illegal to try and make some contraption to try and fire these?

No comment

[MisterTommyH]

Google is your friend (although not always 100% reliable when it comes to the law). It says:

It's not illegal to posess them as they are inert when not in the weapon.
It is illegal to buy or sell unless both parties have valid licenses
It is illegal to make a gift of them to anyone under 15
It is illegal to dispose of the cartriges by burning or by any method other than intended.

Just some random facts for you.

[steve.w]

I'm guessing it'd be illegal to try and make some contraption to try and fire these?

Exactly they are useless unless you have a gun to fire them therefore not illegal to own. If you do set one off outside the confines of a shotgun barrel they are relatively harmless so do not require a licence to posses fact.

[Reeder]

No comment

Obviously I'm only pratting about lol. I'm not that stupid :)

Google is your friend (although not always 100% reliable when it comes to the law). It says:

It's not illegal to posess them as they are inert when not in the weapon.
It is illegal to buy or sell unless both parties have valid licenses
It is illegal to make a gift of them to anyone under 15
It is illegal to dispose of the cartriges by burning or by any method other than intended.

Just some random facts for you.

Most interesting :D

[Reeder]

Exactly they are useless unless you have a gun to fire them therefore not illegal to own. If you do set one off outside the confines of a shotgun barrel they are relatively harmless so do not require a licence to posses fact.

Relative to what?
I would have thought they'd still be pretty bloomin dangerous. Just picking them up gives me the heebyjeebies:pale:

[steve.w]

put it this way a firework is more dangerous :)

[Specialone]

Obviously I'm only pratting about lol. I'm not that stupid :)


I am :)
It's actually very easy (apparently)

[steve.w]

I have shot clays for years cartridges are harmless shotguns are not in the wrong hands :)

[sv4me]

It is illegal to make a gift of them to anyone under 15

Here ya go son, happy birthday :smt103

[Teejayexc]

It is illegal to make a gift of them to anyone under 15




Reason enough for Reeder not to have owt to do with 'em then :confused:

[Reeder]

I reckon my dad's a secret mobster. He knows everyone in the town and is business partners with a magistrate. I reckon she helps him out in sticky situations.

[steve.w]

BTW D&J carts are affectionately known as dirty jammers :) they are crap

[yorkie_chris]

Relative to what?
I would have thought they'd still be pretty bloomin dangerous. Just picking them up gives me the heebyjeebies:pale:

Relative to a brass cased round, a firework, or a gallon of petrol, or a fork. No idea why you would get heebyjeebies? Weapons and ammunition are just tools, lots of stuff just as, or more dangerous.

Type of powder used in a shotgun cartridge, at that grain size etc will only burn violently when confined, the cartridge isn't sufficient confinement to get a bang. Probably.


Making any sort of device to fire them is very illegal, and very dangerous, confinement makes for high pressures which can cause explosions. PM me if you want to know how :smt082*



*I am joking.

[yorkie_chris]

Exactly they are useless unless you have a gun to fire them therefore not illegal to own

Just FYI that does not apply to any other sort of ammunition, any brass cased round whether it's rimfire or centrefire is section 1 ammunition and can't be in possession of general public without a licence and even then only a number allowed on your ticket.


Due to some idiots who they never catch the penalties for firearms offences are really serious these days for anyone who isn't likely to do anyone any harm. Of course if you're into rap music and mowing down innocent bystanders with machine pistols you can crack on, you'll probably get an ASBO. The 5 year sentences are reserved for those hardened post office robbing types who have air rifles making 12,1 ft lbs energy :-P
(cynical, me?)

[andrewsmith]

Shall we ask how you know*?


* I already know this point, and will keep stum mate

[steve.w]

Just FYI that does not apply to any other sort of ammunition, any brass cased round whether it's rimfire or centrefire is section 1 ammunition and can't be in possession of general public without a licence and even then only a number allowed on your ticket.
Wise words

[husky03]

Exactly they are useless unless you have a gun to fire them therefore not illegal to own. If you do set one off outside the confines of a shotgun barrel they are relatively harmless so do not require a licence to posses fact.

What a ill (bordering on the stupid)advising post-harmless you say -aye right-i've got a mate who had a brain fart a few years ago and decided to get a hammer and a nail together with a shotgun cartridge-end result was fingers in tatters and years of reconstructive surgery with permanent nerve damage-and you say you've been a shooter for years i would expect you to be more aware of the dangers.

[Reeder]

Regardless, its just knowing that what's in there can blow your head off!

[steve.w]

What a ill (bordering on the stupid)advising post-harmless you say -aye right-i've got a mate who had a brain fart a few years ago and decided to get a hammer and a nail together with a shotgun cartridge-end result was fingers in tatters and years of reconstructive surgery with permanent nerve damage-and you say you've been a shooter for years i would expect you to be more aware of the dangers.

Ok fair enough not harmless but anyone stupid enough to do something like that is just as likely to blow themselves up with an aerosol or something equally stupid.
btw I said relatively harmless not harmless

[Electro]

I`d be so tempted to put one in a vice and nail the cap lol but on a serious note i`d get rid safely to remove the oops factor :)

[xXBADGERXx]

I`d be so tempted to put one in a vice and nail the cap lol but on a serious note i`d get rid safely to remove the oops factor :)

Darwin was right

[metalangel]

You could make a pipe rifle (aka a zip gun) or something but you SHOULD NOT DO THIS AS IT IS ILLEGAL and you'd get done for having a gun.

Or you could go out and get a proper shotgun licence and have a shotgun so when the zombies/terrorists/BNP come you can blast them.

[454697819]

Not illegal to own cartridges you only need a shotgun licence to buy them not to own them unless law has changed fairly recently.

difficult to qualify really,

the law states you need a license to Buy the ammunition and it should be stored in a safe place.

Logic therefore dictates you should really only hold the ammunition if you have a license to buy it.
If mr plod were to find out they would ask why you have them, what your need is for them etc etc without satisfactory answers you could find yourself with a firearms charge I believe.

It would be best to find someone with a shotgun certificate and hand them over, as they have a license to buy and subsequently own the cartridges.


and ffs do not put them in a vice, it will explode sideways. [-X

[Milky Bar Kid]

Reeder, just hand them in at your local Police Station and all will be well with the world.

[maxinc]

Are you sure the weapon isn't buried in the back garden or hidden underneath the floor boards?

[metalangel]

Along with some rather large black bags tied up with duct tape?

[Reeder]

My dad does drive a big mercedes with blacked out windows, everyone knows who he is, he is a 'business man' and he said he 'found them in his coat pocket'. All signs point to my dad being a gangster.

I'll hand them in at lunchtime because I'm a good boy :)

[Geodude]

Hes not planning on thining out his offspring is he? :pale: ;)

[Reeder]

Probably. I'd kill me if I was him too.

[Fruity-ya-ya]

Probably. I'd kill me if I was him too.
Eh? If you were your Dad you would commit suicide? This thread just gets odder and odder.
Your not going all oedipal on us are you?

[timwilky]

When I surrendered my FAC, I was suddenly in the position where I had about 8000 rounds of .45"/.44"/9mm/.357"/7.62mm and 0.22". All were legal one day and illegal for me to own the next.

A quick call to Lancs firearms dept who had been brilliant issuing an extension to my certificate for the 10 months I was in China over the phone and I was able to drop them off.

The silly bits of the law as it stood was I was a reloader, I had the powder, primers, lead and cases to knock out a few thousand all legal to own, until you assemble them.

[Reeder]

Eh? If you were your Dad you would commit suicide? This thread just gets odder and odder.
Your not going all oedipal on us are you?

Maaaaaaan you know what I mean.

[aaron020873]

if you hand them in would the police come sniffing around???? can't see your dad thanking you for that!!!

[Reeder]

Lol, my dad is the most law abiding guy going, he wont even fiddle his tax return and he's an accountant! He's got nothing to hide & it won't cause an issue even if they did.

[454697819]

if you hand them in would the police come sniffing around???? can't see your dad thanking you for that!!!

they will probably look at you as if to say.. well what the hell do you want us to do with these?

[Reeder]

they will probably look at you as if to say.. well what the hell do you want us to do with these?

Just gave them in and as I was explaining I had some shotgun cartidges and getting them out of my pocket one by one the look of horror on the policeman's face was hilarious as I'd just been to the bank to get petty cash for work and I had multiple hundreds of pounds in my jacket pocket trying to fall out every where too :pale: :smt082 I must have looked proper dodgey!
The other person working behind the desk came over almost as if to supervise lol! Filled out a form saying I'd handed them in etc and explained the whole situation. They were very happy with it all and said they'd dispose of them for me.

All sorted :cool:

[Geodude]

Nice one fella, now you just need to figure out how or why they were put in your dads pocket? also if he tells you to go out back and check on old yeller dont walk in front of him ;)

[dyzio]

said they'd dispose of them for me.


Pull!!!


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[Reeder]

Nice one fella, now you just need to figure out how or why they were put in your dads pocket? also if he tells you to go out back and check on old yeller dont walk in front of him ;)

After my childhood I've learnt not to be infront of my dad anyway :neutral:

[madnlooney]

while putting the money back in your pocket, you should of said to them that there was 6 this morning.

[xXBADGERXx]

After my childhood I've learnt not to be infront of my dad anyway :neutral:

Thats left me with a haunting image

[454697819]

Just gave them in and as I was explaining I had some shotgun cartidges and getting them out of my pocket one by one the look of horror on the policeman's face was hilarious as I'd just been to the bank to get petty cash for work and I had multiple hundreds of pounds in my jacket pocket trying to fall out every where too :pale: :smt082 I must have looked proper dodgey!
The other person working behind the desk came over almost as if to supervise lol! Filled out a form saying I'd handed them in etc and explained the whole situation. They were very happy with it all and said they'd dispose of them for me.

All sorted :cool:

thats good then, shame not closer, could have shuved them my way, id have disposed of them... into a rabit or two : :mad:

[Reeder]

Shoulda put them in the post. That would have been a laugh...

[Paul the 6th]

while putting the money back in your pocket, you should of said to them that there was 6 this morning.


"Deary me... I'm sure there were 6 this morning? ........ or was it 8?"

[aaron020873]

Thats left me with a haunting image

After my childhood I've learnt not to be infront of my dad anyway :neutral:

haha Bend over son!!! :smt082:smt082

[arenalife]

I'm reminded of that soldier who is currently in prison (is he out yet?) who got put away after finding a gun in a childrens park and taking it to the police station ( as he was carrying it illegally!!).

[yorkie_chris]

Aye, completely mental story that if I remember right.

Difference is I think that was a sawn off (IIRC?), and so a Section 5 banned item.

[Bluefish]

of course he should have left there for the kiddys to play with, armed response unit arrives and kills said kiddys result :confused:

[yorkie_chris]

Makes me laugh with police and firearms, they had the big gun amnesty a while ago trying to get people to hand them in. They had a big groupw*nk photo with some tw*t looking smug about this big display of weaponry, pride of place at the top of the display a BSA meteor air rifle!! :smt082

Also laughable knife amnesty, what do they want, people to hand in their f***ing kitchens?

[speedplay]

I'm guessing it'd be illegal to try and make some contraption to try and fire these?

Piece of pipe, a vice, hammer and a centre punch....













Joke.