View Full Version : Coalition one year on, how are they doing then?
Obviously Clegg proving that his policies are completely unworkable in the real world and siding with the Tories purely to get into power aside, how do we think the Conservatives, sorry coalition government, are doing then? I think Cameroon has made some pretty tough decisions and so far not done a great deal wrong.
Like football its all about opinions, what say you fine minded members of the .org?
punyXpress
11-05-11, 10:38 AM
Considering they inherited the largest deficit ever, probably not too bad.
We STILL hear about ' broken Election promises*, but since we were technically bust, all bets were off from that day.
* - the loudest complainers being those that landed us in it!
andrewsmith
11-05-11, 10:57 AM
The next election will the Tories, Labour and minor parties.
How many of you voted no in the AV referendum, just to p*** off Clegg?
The sad matter of the fact is the co(n)llation pretty much has screwed any are that is working class and left wing (most the North). The Lib dems at the top haven't and probably won't realise that they lost a lot of council chambers (including Newcastle, where the chamber leader was the most out spoken Lib Dem there was, he backed the protests of the councils and the students) that were liked and wanted (labour in Newcastle almost bankrupted the City)
timwilky
11-05-11, 11:07 AM
Most did not vote no to P off Clegg, they voted No because AV is a flawed system that would lead to miserable little compromises.
How's the coalition doing? Not too bad in places, terrible in others. Yes budget deficit has to be brought under control. The bloat that is public services needs to be reigned in. But asking students to pay fees of £9,000/year is ludicrous. No way will most be ever able to repay their education costs. Foreign policy is all over the place. We need to stand upto EU and prioritise good for Britain policies and do what the frogs do to bad policies.
Owenski
11-05-11, 11:10 AM
Considering everything how it was, and where it was heading - now looking at where we are and where we're heading... I think they've done pretty well.
Still dont seem to have done anything about immigration tho.
They've done what they had to do, they will get the economy healthy again by ****ing loads of people off... Then labour will get voted on and ruin it all again... It's always happened that way.
We sort of knew that it wasnt going to be easy. I think that the ConDems have a very tought job to do, and not everyone will agree, but things have to be done. A very tough job, being delt with in the only way they know how.
I wouldnt want their jobs
Good luck to them.
andrewsmith
11-05-11, 11:17 AM
Most did not vote no to P off Clegg, they voted No because AV is a flawed system that would lead to miserable little compromises.
How's the coalition doing? Not too bad in places, terrible in others. Yes budget deficit has to be brought under control. The bloat that is public services needs to be reigned in. But asking students to pay fees of £9,000/year is ludicrous. No way will most be ever able to repay their education costs. Foreign policy is all over the place. We need to stand upto EU and prioritise good for Britain policies and do what the frogs do to bad policies.
I votes no for AV as it is more to go wrong
£9K year fees is offensive, seeing you could go to Berlin, Paris or Madrid and do a English speaking course for less than £5k year fees
fizzwheel
11-05-11, 11:30 AM
I think they are doing OK, life is tough right now, but we have to start paying off the debt that Labour got the country into.
I can however see a sh*t storm coming their way if Fuel prices keep climbing...
well seeing that there have been more u turns than a driving test I'm sure there will be a few more before the term is up. I'm waiting for the new polices and cuts to take effect. It could be worse but not exactly better meanwhile calm down dear..
Biker Biggles
11-05-11, 09:19 PM
Well-----They havnt sorted out the banks,and they havnt stopped the very greedy rich helping themselves to the contents of the trough.Most of all they havnt got the economy growing at anything like the rate required,if at all.If that is doing ok Id hate to see what failure looked like.
Specialone
11-05-11, 09:49 PM
Well they have made tough decisions that labour could never make, labours policy was lets spend our way out of every problem, yes great plan that was.
We shouldnt deter the rich from staying in this country by hammering them on tax either btw, where is the incentive to do well if youre gonna be bent over and shafted with tax just cos you earn more money.
So on the whole i think the government are doing a decent job considering what they took over.
The short sighted people are already forgetting what labour did and complaining about the tory/dems actions.
xXBADGERXx
11-05-11, 10:15 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/05/article-1041944-022DE18D00000578-7_468x354.jpg
I think they are doing OK to be honest yes it tough but considering what they inherited..
Milky Bar Kid
12-05-11, 01:01 PM
Like Fizz says, they are going to need to do something about fuel prices as it is really getting ridiculous. I also semi agree with the comments about student fee's. I can understand them beginning to charge students and would actually agree with it but £9k is far too steep.
I think they are making the best of a bad lot, after all, you can only pee with the c**k you've got....
tigersaw
12-05-11, 01:40 PM
They binned the national identity scheme and that pointless home information pack business.
I'm pretty happy with most they have done, except put up my personal tax, raid my pension, put up VAT and fuel, all to pay off a debt I never took out.
punyXpress
12-05-11, 03:00 PM
They binned the national identity scheme and that pointless home information pack business.
I'm pretty happy with most they have done, except put up my personal tax, raid my pension, put up VAT and fuel, all to pay off a debt I never took out.
Where have you been?
You need to ask Brown, G ( aka Culpability Brown ) about those:
Personal Tax - he put up every other tax
Raid your pension - nuff said
VAT & Fuel - he was going to put these up anyway ( did he forget to say so before the election? )
Debt you never took out - NO, he did! And we aren't even keeping up with the interest on it. As the proverb says, we're in & it's rapidly getting deeper.
thefallenangel
12-05-11, 07:55 PM
Bankers need their big fat chairs from pulling under them.
Don't care what job you do but how can you justify giving someone an annual bonus which is more than probably 80% of Britian will earn in their working careers is beyond me.
Fuel prices are insane but when you lost all the smoking revenue where else was it going to come from to hit masses of people?
I think the government needs to bring out a new "Luxury Tax" to hit top end vehicles or sports cars to encourage people to go for more fuel efficient cars and to tax stuff like chocolate and takeaways to stop people eating carp all the time.
Ken Clarke is obviously bored being a politician then
markmoto
18-05-11, 03:29 PM
The banking system is broke and cannot be fixed it will collapse, the government if corrupt and needs to go also.. Big changes are needed.
markmoto
18-05-11, 03:38 PM
Bankers need their big fat chairs from pulling under them.
Don't care what job you do but how can you justify giving someone an annual bonus which is more than probably 80% of Britian will earn in their working careers is beyond me.
Indeed they do earn to much but if you realised how banks literaly make money out of nothing by using the fractional reserve system you would know where all this monopoly money comes from. funny how no one mentions the money the CENTRAL bankers make because no one knows about the people who own the game.
Fuel prices are insane but when you lost all the smoking revenue where else was it going to come from to hit masses of people?
The government is corrupt and spending our money on illegal wars (no such thing as a legal one) and alot of our money is getting syphoned off into europe, the only way to stop this is join the Lawfull Lebellion and stop paying your taxes.
If we keep playing by there rules you cant win because they own the game but there are people doing something about it instead of sitting on arses moaning.
LAWFULL REBELION google it and get involved with a group near you we need numbers...
The Idle Biker
18-05-11, 03:45 PM
The thing is about Governments making tough decisions is that you feel comfortable that is happening until you feel the effect. If you can manage the effect and it's a minor change like a tax blip or horror upon horrors another rise at the fuel pump, you get on with it. If it's a big change and you can't handle it you can die. Adverse change is usually OK until it affects to you.
A family friend of mine has had regular life saving and very expensive treatment for the past 10 years. She has now been told that it can no longer be afforded and it will be withdrawn. The root cause of this may well be the corrupt banking system, corrupt or incompetent governments, whatever, but the immediate decision to withdraw treatment is from the recent Health Service funding changes.
I'll ask her if the government she thinks the Govt are doing a good job and if they're making tough decisions in the right areas.
grimey121uk
18-05-11, 04:16 PM
Indeed they do earn to much but if you realised how banks literaly make money out of nothing by using the fractional reserve system you would know where all this monopoly money comes from. funny how no one mentions the money the CENTRAL bankers make because no one knows about the people who own the game.
The government is corrupt and spending our money on illegal wars (no such thing as a legal one) and alot of our money is getting syphoned off into europe, the only way to stop this is join the Lawfull Lebellion and stop paying your taxes.
If we keep playing by there rules you cant win because they own the game but there are people doing something about it instead of sitting on arses moaning.
LAWFULL REBELION google it and get involved with a group near you we need numbers...
Another downside with the central banking system is that it is near impossible for a country to get out of debt, as each pound of currency in circulation is owed back to the bank of england with interest attached. So because of interest there will always be more debt than money in existance.
So basically we will have to pay our debt offs with assets (gold, oil etc)
Government corruption is so obvious yet people seem to ignore it, large amount of money given to large construction companies, if you don't believe me look what happens when they build a new hospital for instance, they take 10 of millions of £££ knock down a perfectly serviceable building, spend around 99% of the money on building a fancy new building out of fancy materials such as glass and steel but in the end we have no more doctors or nurses than before providing exactly the same level of care we had before spending the money.
Another example of this local to me (Bolton), the council are spending 700k on changing room facilities at the local "lads and girls club" for the football club, even though the existing ones are fine (less than 10 years old). Gone are they days it cost you the price of a ball to have a game of football. Yet we are getting rid of doctors and police................
Also people believing we live in a democracy, the conservatives didn't win because of their policies, they won because the papers kept slagging labour off and Cameron was on more front pages looking young and vibrant (with a touch of photo retouching), I know loads of people who voted for the conservatives and now they moan about budget cuts, did they not read the manifesto or something, no they didn't they just saw him on the front of a paper and voted for him.
If you believe we live in a democracy explain why we pay £1.40 for a litre of fuel when 99% of the population don't want to pay it....
Dont even get me started on fractional reserve banking which is nothing more than a massive pyramid scheme........
A family friend of mine has had regular life saving and very expensive treatment for the past 10 years. She has now been told that it can no longer be afforded and it will be withdrawn. The root cause of this may well be the corrupt banking system, corrupt or incompetent governments, whatever, but the immediate decision to withdraw treatment is from the recent Health Service funding changes.
I'll ask her if the government she thinks the Govt are doing a good job and if they're making tough decisions in the right areas.
See my above point on corruption
I am sure your family friend would prefer to have her treatment in an older building rather than sitting in a modern fancy building without her treatment, as sad as it is the NHS is spending 100s of million on new building each year and even more updating their IT infrastructure yet people go without treatment
yorkie_chris
18-05-11, 05:47 PM
Also people believing we live in a democracy, the conservatives didn't win because of their policies, they won because the papers kept slagging labour off and Cameron was on more front pages looking young and vibrant (with a touch of photo retouching), I know loads of people who voted for the conservatives and now they moan about budget cuts,
Labour were dead in the water, a leader nobody wanted, nobody voted for less popular than a fart in a lift. Getting the blame for a banking crisis, after taking us from a time of solvency and w*nking it all away on foreign escapades and idiocy.
Any party that got in were going to have to make cuts, half of me wishes to see what would have happened had labour won the election, because they could not have kept any of their promises. Strategically they're better off sat on other side slagging off everything the tories are doing, they couldn't do any better or make any fewer cuts in same shoes.
Biker Biggles
18-05-11, 05:54 PM
It matters not jot who won the election.Both parties(all three if you include jonny come lately Liberals)have demonstrated their inability to run the country over the last half century.Perhaps we should inite the Germans to take over.At least they would do it efficiently
grimey121uk
18-05-11, 06:00 PM
Labour were dead in the water, a leader nobody wanted, nobody voted for less popular than a fart in a lift. Getting the blame for a banking crisis, after taking us from a time of solvency and w*nking it all away on foreign escapades and idiocy.
Any party that got in were going to have to make cuts, half of me wishes to see what would have happened had labour won the election, because they could not have kept any of their promises. Strategically they're better off sat on other side slagging off everything the tories are doing, they couldn't do any better or make any fewer cuts in same shoes.
very true,
However regardless of which political party has the best polices, the fact remains that the news papers got the conservatives elected.
How many voters looks at party manifesto's? I assume very little they just went off what the papers told them. Hence shock on peoples face over these budget cuts etc
One of my friends works as a copper and voted for conservatives now he's moaning about police cuts - How the can he complain he voted (blindly) for the cuts in the election.
Biker Biggles
18-05-11, 06:32 PM
No cuts to police in Germany.Economy growing at about 3%.Balance of payments looking healthy.Some problems with having to pay for other Euro zone ineptitude but looking good for the long term.Thats got little to do with which party is in power there,normally a coalition,but has everything to do with a fifty year history of competent leadership and a realisation that home grown industry is the way to long term prosperity.
yorkie_chris
18-05-11, 07:31 PM
very true,
However regardless of which political party has the best polices, the fact remains that the news papers got the conservatives elected.
How many voters looks at party manifesto's? I assume very little they just went off what the papers told them. Hence shock on peoples face over these budget cuts etc
One of my friends works as a copper and voted for conservatives now he's moaning about police cuts - How the can he complain he voted (blindly) for the cuts in the election.
Manifesto is theory, ideals, targets.
Cuts are the result of fact.
He can complain. "Which set of c***s produced this situation to make these cuts necessary?!" etc.
grimey121uk
18-05-11, 07:43 PM
Manifesto is theory, ideals, targets.
Cuts are the result of fact.
He can complain. "Which set of c***s produced this situation to make these cuts necessary?!" etc.
Yeah what I'm trying to say is;
The conservatives always said spending cut
People never bothered to read this and voted
Now they complain about the cuts and are supprised by them
I agree with budget cuts you don't have to convince me, although what is being cut is utter ****.
Less doctors and police for us tax payers yet we pay out more in benefits that we gain in income tax to all these scroungers
dizzyblonde
18-05-11, 07:48 PM
Like football its all about opinions, what say you fine minded members of the .org?
IMO, they are doing ****. But then what gov doesn't????
My opinion, very simple.
yorkie_chris
18-05-11, 07:48 PM
That doesn't bother me particularly, at least they aren't voting labour just because their dad did.
yorkie_chris
18-05-11, 07:49 PM
IMO, they are doing ****. But then what gov doesn't????
My opinion, very simple.
Personally before I would say that about anything I would ask if I could do better.
I could, but it would involve shooting a lot of people in the face. Given the constraints of the job they're trying to do, I don't think many people who say "it's all sh*t" could do any better.
dizzyblonde
18-05-11, 07:53 PM
Personally before I would say that about anything I would ask if I could do better.
I could, but it would involve shooting a lot of people in the face. Given the constraints of the job they're trying to do, I don't think many people who say "it's all sh*t" could do any better.
No matter which party you choose, they're all playing with the same tools, they all bat on the same side. We as a public choose which face carries on, what the last party left. Its all a con.
Read the how money works thread, might open your eyes to what goes on in reality.
pegasus
18-05-11, 09:39 PM
To think that choosing a different party makes a difference to the economy is very naive...We as a country are going down a specific route regardless of who pulls the strings. Parliament is a very elaborate charade. Which the majority of the public just dont seem to either understand or care about.
I dont want to bore people with my opinions or understandings, but you dont need to look very hard to find out what is really going on in the world.
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I am so glad to see people taking notice to the ballicks we're told. If two or more people approach the council and ask for land to grow food they have to give it. Lawfully not legal balls! We need to start thinking as a community and pull ADSA down to grow veg.
This Topic one day will be 'who will kill my dinner?' Hopefully
BigBaddad
19-05-11, 03:26 AM
In response to the question in the title........bloody good job considering the crap they're having to sort out. Yes it appears money is being cut everywhere, but foreign aid is increasing. But I'm sure there's more than a few backroom deals going on to help British companies abroad. But then how much money are we spending to keep Scotland afloat.
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