View Full Version : Rear spindle overtightened, pretty annoyed.
Went to adjust my chain on Saturday as it is stupidly slack after 1400 miles of silly riding over the past few weeks, and I just couldn't undo the nut. Haven't touched it since I got the tyres changed a few weeks ago, but it's stuck solid. Now they've either done it up ridiculously tight or just used some super strong thread lock. Borrowing a breaker bar to try and release the beast sometime this week as my thin little bar I had just bent:smt081(yes it was a piece of crap)! If it doesn't work there's going to be one majorly annoyed (but probably still polite) customer appearing at their shop asking why the feck it's impossible to budge! :smt072 Won't be using them to change the tyres on my bike in the next few weeks when they need doing!:smt019
What's the worst thing that's been wrong with your bike upon bringing it back from the garage?
I picked up my CBR600 from a service years ago. I'm a bit of a perfectionist if I'm honest and this thing was spotless, very very clean. I used to replace nuts, bolts whatever each winter and it was like new.
Anyway, after its service it looked like it had been through a carwash that used copperslip instead of water. Obviously some overzealous mechanic with a copperslip aerosol thought 'somewhere near the fastener' rather than actually on the threads was good enough. It was bloody everywhere.
Nobbylad
23-05-11, 03:17 PM
When I did my Gixxer front end conversion, I took the bike to the local shop for them to service and check over my workmanship. For weeks after I thought the front end was as clunky as the stock front end and was convinced the forks were fooked. Anyway, YC kindly popped in one day and checked the steering and discovered the castellated nuts weren't even finger tight.
Drumming_Animal
23-05-11, 04:22 PM
Pays to take the rear wheel out and take a loose wheel, I do believe it's cheaper aswell. Just make sure you do it right yourself when putting it back, keep your spacers handy too.
*touchwood* I havn't had anything awful come back from a garage yet, although I always get a ridiculously over inflated tyre when a new one is fitted.
Deep South
23-05-11, 07:23 PM
A few days & about 100 miles after my 600 Hornet had its first service, I gave it a quick checkover & found the oil level was about a pint short.
The only response I got from the dealer was... "all engines use oil sir".
Pays to take the rear wheel out and take a loose wheel, I do believe it's cheaper aswell. Just make sure you do it right yourself when putting it back, keep your spacers handy too.
*touchwood* I havn't had anything awful come back from a garage yet, although I always get a ridiculously over inflated tyre when a new one is fitted.
Was getting my brakes serviced front and back too as I didn't really fancy doing it myself so just thought it would be easier to drop the bike off. I'll learn from my mistake now!
Sounds like there's some dodgy places out there.
Where did you take it buddy?
My rear wheel spindel nut was overtightened when I got the sv and the metal plate just turned with the nut scratching the swing arm
barwel1992
23-05-11, 09:02 PM
two words ....
impact & gun :D
Wideboy
23-05-11, 09:12 PM
two words ....
impact & gun :D
is what half the tire shop spacs use to put them back on.
i did a 270 mile trip to go camping on the t'ace after a new rear, all the way thinking "this back end feels odd"..... upon arrival i decide to inspect the wheel bearings to see that only one adjuster had been put back onto the stop and the other was over 1/2 inch forward
i usually check everything but i had no time
rictus01
23-05-11, 09:12 PM
the GSXR I worked on friday had an over tightened rear axle nut, took several minutes work with an impact gun, it was a great deal tighter than the 100Nm/72.5lb-ft, so had obviously been done up "as tight as possible" last time.
andrewsmith
23-05-11, 09:46 PM
nothing stupidly major yet.
Had the odd donkey kong tightened nut and bolt
mattneighbour
23-05-11, 09:56 PM
Still no idea how it happened, but earlier this year I had my tyres changed at the local dealer (not Suzuki). Two weeks later I was cleaning the bike (first opportunity since) and I found that the rear wheel nut and washer WERE NOT THERE!!
The dealership reckoned it couldn't be their fault because I couldn't have ridden for 600 miles with it like that. How else could it have happened though? I'm thinking I was very lucky that nothing happened to me.
Where did you take it buddy?
T & R motorcycles in Lowestoft.
Not used them (phew) I went to Halesworth last time and they were very good. Nice little cross country ride to get there too. And you could drop in for a cuppa on your way passed.
I only used them because they did the tyre changes and brake services for £96 i think it was in total? Bargain. The brakes work lovely now and other than the stupidly tight nut there's no complaints. I called CJ Ball just for a laugh to see what they'd quote for the tyre changes and brake service, and they quoted £120 just to clean the front brakes alone!
We should go for a ride soon Mr. Rich
STRAMASHER
24-05-11, 11:20 AM
Chain dragging the deck after a tyre change.
Tyre fitted wrong way round.
Those two spring to mind, but pale into insignificance compared to my mate who (on L plates) was given his bike back to ride (and he did, at least round to my house) with NO FORK OIL cos they did not have the seals in stock. Took it round the block and found you had to pull the forks back up with the bars after going over a bump. Good ridance, Scotbike. GIRFUY.
Whyte25
24-05-11, 11:52 AM
We should go for a ride soon Mr. Rich
ooeerrrr, if this wasn`t a biker forum i`d be worried :)
Me too :)
Got half term next week and in 8 weeks time it's the summer holidays :cheers: so I'm sure we can find time in there somewhere. Got any good local routes other than the Somerleyton loop?
Yer, C J Ball do know how to price a job! I bought my bike from them in their winter sale with £1000 off though so I can't complain, and they sorted a few minor issues under they years warranty. I don't use them now though, can't afford to. There is a guy behind the Ellough industrial estate who I used a while ago, before I learnt how to do most things myself. He was very good and well priced. Top honest bloke. If you want to do a few basic bits I could share some knowledge and tools if you wanted. Provided there's tea and biscuits.
Not really, but I'll make it my homework over the next few weeks.
I need to stop riding the somerlayton route anyway before I hurt myself. I know it too well and keep going too fast!
derail over.
I don't get any local road riding done. All my miles are between here and Norwich. I think my bike could do the trip by itself by now.
timwilky
24-05-11, 09:24 PM
I do not know what model of SV (curvy v pointy) you have. However, if pointy I seem to recall the torque is about 100Nm. That you cannot undo with mickey mouse tools and if a thin bar bent that is no indication that it was over tightened.
When I fit wheels I always torque them in accordance with the manufacturers settings and align them first.
I would suggest if you do not like what a workshop did, instead of moaning, learn to do it yourself. You will get plenty of help and advise from the forum. A decent workshop will show you what they are doing and explain why.
I use windies to speed up the job. but mine is set low torque to nip up only.
So do you do your wheels up manually with a torque wrench then? If so surely you can undo them too?
The fact a bar bent might show it's a bit crap but I was standing on the thing bouncing up and down at the same time and I am 12stone. The fact that my wrench wouldn't undo it first either with me putting all the force into I could apart from jumping on the thing perhaps indicates that it is actually over tightened.
Sorry, am I not allowed to express my annoyance that it seems someone hasn't bothered to take the time to do their job properly which I paid for? They offer a service and I expect it done properly. Fair enough I could learn to change my own tyres or take the time to take the wheels off, but I didn't want to on this occasion as both the brakes needed sorting and took it to a place where I expected it all to be done properly.
I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
andrewsmith
24-05-11, 09:36 PM
Reeder a 2ft breaker bar will undo a pointy spindle
I am looking into borrowing one tomorrow :)
andrewsmith
24-05-11, 09:42 PM
mate they're £18 in machine mart for 1/2" drive end
But it's free to borrow one and I'm barely ever going to need it. The only thing I use tools for is the bike.
Money's tight at the moment as I'm saving for my holiday in July.
andrewsmith
24-05-11, 09:45 PM
But it's free to borrow one and I'm barely ever going to need it. The only thing I use tools for is the bike.
Money's tight at the moment as I'm saving for my holiday in July.
Fair enuf mate.
I appreciate you trying to be helpful though. Thanks.
as it happens, I torqued up a rear wheel nut today to 100Nm. It should certainly not require you to be bouncing on a bar to undo although it does of course depend on the length of said wrench. My torque wrench is about 24 inches long and takes hardly any effort to torque to 100Nm.
How long was the wrench you used?
My wrench is about 12" long but I'd like to think I'd be able to do it by hand...
My wrench is about 12" long but I'd like to think I'd be able to do it by hand...
I think you might struggle with a 12" wrench to be honest. get a pipe or something on the end of it, that'll shift it.
My guess is that it was done up tighter than 100Nm though.
I'll get the braker bar tomorrow and see how that goes.
timwilky
24-05-11, 10:13 PM
ok big rounding errors
so 100nm means you need to apply approx 300N force at 30mm but I bet with a 12" wrench you are applying the force about 8" from the nut so in real terms about 500N or about 51kg of load. That is a fair wack to be shoving at an uncomfortable angle and far easier to jump on the wrench to achieve.
There is a reason why people use breaker bars and 2ft torque wrenches for this nut.
barwel1992
24-05-11, 10:54 PM
There is a reason why people use breaker bars and 2ft torque wrenches for this nut.
cuz there all poofs :mrgreen:
lol na i use a 24inch torque wrench or an impact gun
Took a 24" breaker bar and me bouncing all my weight on it for a couple of minutes right on the end of the bar to get it free. Just to make me happy the adjuster plate looks bent out of shape and it span round and scratched my black swing arm!!
Took a 24" breaker bar and me bouncing all my weight on it for a couple of minutes right on the end of the bar to get it free. Just to make me happy the adjuster plate looks bent out of shape and it span round and scratched my black swing arm!!
sounds way too tight then
Drumming_Animal
25-05-11, 08:33 PM
Maybe an obvious point but are you trying to turn it the right/wrong way? Lefty loosey
Does sound awfully tight though, damn shame about the swingarm, mine's got some small dents where it looks like someone has attacked it with a hammer near the adjuster
Maybe an obvious point but are you trying to turn it the right/wrong way? Lefty loosey
Does sound awfully tight though, damn shame about the swingarm, mine's got some small dents where it looks like someone has attacked it with a hammer near the adjuster
Lol, I was doing it the right way :) chain all adjusted and everything sorted now. Smooth riding is restored.
lol.
back to the store, "can I have a 48" breaker bar please...."....doh, wrong way.
AndyBrad
26-05-11, 08:23 AM
ok big rounding errors
so 100nm means you need to apply approx 300N force at 30mm but I bet with a 12" wrench you are applying the force about 8" from the nut so in real terms about 500N or about 51kg of load. That is a fair wack to be shoving at an uncomfortable angle and far easier to jump on the wrench to achieve.
There is a reason why people use breaker bars and 2ft torque wrenches for this nut.
well i managed to get my front sprocket nut (supposed to be torqued to 136nm) off last night with just my fingers. it could be that it wasnt tightened at all of it could be i have super powers. For the time being im going with the latter :)
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