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MrMessy
30-05-11, 09:46 PM
Does going through a set of red lights at road works carry the same penalty as doing the same at 'normal traffic lights'. I was out on the bike this afternoon on a country road and a Landrover stopped at a red light whilst I road through the road works then soon as the road was clear drove through the red light past the
road works! He did have clear vision through them.
SoulKiss
30-05-11, 09:57 PM
Does going through a set of red lights at road works carry the same penalty as doing the same at 'normal traffic lights'. I was out on the bike this afternoon on a country road and a Landrover stopped at a red light whilst I road through the road works then soon as the road was clear drove through the red light past the
road works! He did have clear vision through them.
Nope they are not legally traffic signals.
If something were to happen and it was proven that he had run the red then there would be a dangerous or careless driving case to answer I believe, but nothing involving jumping a red.
andrewsmith
30-05-11, 10:07 PM
Paging Bluepete.
I think there is a something in one of the Road Traffic Acts regarding roadworks. I have ran the reds on them when is quiet (where all the hazards are identifiable)
peterco
30-05-11, 10:09 PM
Found this re temp lights ,
Q: What is the legal status of temporary traffic lights? A colleague of mine says that if you can safely see the way ahead is clear, you do not have to stop at a red temporary light, is this true?
James Francis
A: Your colleague is wrong. If a set of temporary traffic lights are showing red, you do have to stop, by law. The 1994 Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions gave portable temporary lights at road works and temporary road traffic control schemes equal validity with permanent lights and signs.
What car Q&A
The peak district is full of them as the road are falling apart.
Normally at 5am when I'm passing through they have stopped functioning and are stuck on red in both directions... It's so dangerous but you have to go through, or do a 20 mile diversion.
Stephen McG
30-05-11, 10:57 PM
You will be charged if caught.
The same applies to red X on overhead gantries (closing lane)
I work on Roads Maintenance
On a recent occasion, late at night on M8 through Glasgow
The Police set up on mass at the start of lane closures and requested the presence of drivers of drivers
who had come through the red X's on the tapers down.
There has been a campaign recently on gantry signs
RED X IS MANDATORY
You have been warned
Believe me, the offenders are an easy target to catch.
SMcG in Glasgow
If I can see through and there's sufficient time to get through then I ignore them because a bike rarely trips the sensors and you'll wait an age for them to change.
tigersaw
30-05-11, 11:57 PM
Usually find at 5am someone has thrown the feckers into the ditch anyway
Bluepete
31-05-11, 05:27 AM
Three points, £60 fine. There's even a specific FPN code for red ATS at roadworks to differentiate the offence from static junction ATS.
Oh, and agree with SMcG about the red X's on motorways. Don't do it. Three and sixty.
Pete ;)
They changed the law some time back. Problem is they never make it easy to fnd out ,so older drivers live by one set of rules.
But as there reliability is still questionable it should be suspended.
SoulKiss
31-05-11, 07:19 AM
I'll update my records but not change how I deal with them.
Mainly cos I stop and wait anyway.
They changed the law some time back. Problem is they never make it easy to fnd out ,so older drivers live by one set of rules.
But as there reliability is still questionable it should be suspended.
Ignorance is not a defence its your responsibilty to keep up to date with the rules. When was the last time you read a highway code/signs publication??
SMcG I remeber them doing that on the M77 and the guys that were hurling abuse at me for not letting them getting pulled - That fair made my night!!
Hate roadworks lights as they don't normally trip but I find that they are getting better round here slowly. -
thefallenangel
31-05-11, 08:22 AM
On the subject of not knowing, do coppers get updated on law changes because most of them don't understand things like 33bhp and how to prove it etc . . . so if a law changes do they get briefed?
Owenski
31-05-11, 08:33 AM
Good thread, wondered this just this morning.
Second week where the first working day of the week the road works I pass through seem to be stuck on Red in my direction. You can see the other side of the road works and so see that its clear, still stopped for a minute or so just to give them chance to change, after which nothing was coming (or had even passed or joined my que) so pootled through.
Both times I've gone through while my side remained on red, to get to the other side to find the signals werent even illuminated.
Ignorance is one thing and implies you just ignore it.
But the drivers standards agency don't informe drivers so its not completey the drivers fult .
Maybe their should be refresher courses like I have to attend every 5 years for my MOT testers accreditation.
Even then they would not cover every motoring law.
How do you deal with the ones that are stuck on red? I've been stationary for over 5 minutes and clearly they were broken. It was a 3 way signal and some drivers went on red while others waited longer before deciding to move. I've finally decided to ignore them and cautiously passed the junction but I was just wondering what the law saids you should do about that?
timwilky
31-05-11, 10:34 AM
I suffer from permanent lights that fail to detect motorcycles. It is on the exit from my place of work. The two other bikers plus cyclists etc know and complain about them. They only trigger to a car or bigger.
I have sent complaints to the local council and still nothing has happened. I have generally been fortunate in that I tend to leave mid afternoon and within a couple of minutes a car will also leave to trigger them.
There is only traffic from my left, but it is a blind bend with two lanes of traffic and therefore damm dangerous to simply run the red light. A colleague who occassionally works late into the evening has stated he once waited over 15 minutes before runnning the red light.
What defense is there apart from the lights are broken, it has been reported but never fixed is there should My plod decide they work when he drives past them.
-Ralph-
31-05-11, 10:46 AM
Nobody buys a new highway code every 5 years and reads it. That is the reality of the world we live in and the authorities should take that into account. I think changes in traffic laws should trigger a TV and radio advert for a period of time.
A similar advertising campaign to remind and re-educate drivers on things like lane discipline, who has priority where and when, etc, would be very successful too.
punyXpress
31-05-11, 10:50 AM
Nobody buys a new highway code every 5 years and reads it. That is the reality of the world we live in and the authorities should take that into account. I think changes in traffic laws should trigger a TV and radio advert for a period of time.
A similar advertising campaign to remind and re-educate drivers on things like lane discipline, who has priority where and when, etc, would be very successful too.
PLUS: send reminders every Car Tax renewal!
That'll at least remind those of us who pay our dues - the rest have NO EXCUSE
Bluepete
31-05-11, 11:00 AM
Tim,
Get a strong magnet off t'interweb and pop it as low as you can on the bike. I had the same problem on my way home, the magnet sorts it perfectly.
As for stuck on red road work lights, if you crept through being careful and so on, no problem. Most have a number to call for faults, usually gets a good response.
Pete
A similar advertising campaign to remind and re-educate drivers on things like lane discipline, who has priority where and when, etc, would be very successful too.
I agree and I think it would cost a lot less and much more effective than widening motorways. Yesterday on M25, 4 lanes in total, left most lane almost empty, 2nd lane a few cars, lane 3 and 4 were clogged. Frustrated drivers were encouraged to undertake.
An you get £130 fine in London for leaving the bike with one wheel on the pavement for a few minutes.
The reality is the only time you look at a new highway code is when someone in the family decides to do a test,and you get asked to test them on it.
Unless your in the enforcement game or a bit of a swat.;)
SoulKiss
31-05-11, 12:25 PM
An you get £130 fine in London for leaving the bike with one wheel on the pavement for a few minutes.
To be fair, its only £65 if you pay up early enough :p
(And yes I agree its ferkin ridiculous)
markmoto
01-06-11, 10:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8iiGwA_A1Y&NR=1
Getoutofdebtfree.org
SoulKiss
01-06-11, 11:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8iiGwA_A1Y&NR=1
Getoutofdebtfree.org
What a c**k - and I don't mean the policeman.
He did seam to have somthing to hide. I think ticking off would have been sufficient for not indicating ,but the pc was doing his job in checking he's got s licence etc.
markmoto
01-06-11, 12:07 PM
What a c**k - and I don't mean the policeman.
why because he was stopped on his way home after a long day for no good reason! he isnt the most eloquent person ive come across but well within his rights..
markmoto
01-06-11, 12:08 PM
He did seam to have somthing to hide. I think ticking off would have been sufficient for not indicating ,but the pc was doing his job in checking he's got s licence etc.
Yeah that something he has got to hide is his privacy.
Maybe he was't holding a licence to drive or insured ?
markmoto
01-06-11, 12:36 PM
he is actualy perfectly legal
-Ralph-
01-06-11, 12:47 PM
Talk about having an axe to grind!
SoulKiss
01-06-11, 12:58 PM
why because he was stopped on his way home after a long day for no good reason! he isnt the most eloquent person ive come across but well within his rights..
No, for his rudeness at talking over the policeman.
As mentioned, he pulled a "non-standard" move on the roundabout - yes the cop WAS being pedantic to pull him, but I am sure that it is stuff like that which catches out many a drink-driver or unlicensed driver.
So cop was doing his job.
He should not have had to deal with an agressive idiot talking over him while doing so.
I have been pulled in the past for driving through an industrial estate (a short cut - for the Spearies, it was Dyce Industrial Estate at the Airport) in my car ar 1am, I even let them look in the boot when they asked.
Turns out there had been a lot of break ins to the ind est.
Took less than 4 mins, wasn't a problem to me.
Is this chap anything like Freeman Ben Lowey who was arrested for riding his motorcycle without registration, insurancen MOT or a crash helmet, and who subsequently fined £500
Source here http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land
markmoto
01-06-11, 01:48 PM
Lol the person who wrote that clearly know's not what he is writing about and is clearly biased :mrgreen:, no ben took an entirely different route he didnt realy know what he was doing but he was merely testing out a hypothesis, i can guarantee you that that although he may have been issued with a fine he most certainly did not pay it, i know this to be fact as i know him personaly.
Like i have said before alot of people are testing these ideas out for themselves some winning some losing this is more down to there lack of knowlege than anything else, I personaly am still learning and dont intend to put myself in the line of fire until i have sufficient knowlege to do so.
I have however recently recieved a speeding ticket that i wont be paying and if my procedure is successfull i will let you know how i went about this if anyone is interested.
No harm or malice intended
Peace out
SoulKiss
01-06-11, 02:05 PM
Lol the person who wrote that clearly know's not what he is writing about and is clearly biased :mrgreen:, no ben took an entirely different route he didnt realy know what he was doing but he was merely testing out a hypothesis, i can guarantee you that that although he may have been issued with a fine he most certainly did not pay it, i know this to be fact as i know him personaly.
Like i have said before alot of people are testing these ideas out for themselves some winning some losing this is more down to there lack of knowlege than anything else, I personaly am still learning and dont intend to put myself in the line of fire until i have sufficient knowlege to do so.
I have however recently recieved a speeding ticket that i wont be paying and if my procedure is successfull i will let you know how i went about this if anyone is interested.
No harm or malice intended
Peace out
What they are doing is finding the loopholes in the laws and exploiting them.
What will it accomplish - tighter laws, minus the loopholes.
What? did you expect us to go back to the Magna Carta?
This Speeding Ticket - think about it - were you actually travelling at the speed that is alleged and was it above the posted limit?
If not, then there should be no case to answer, as there will be no evidence or proof.
If so, you got caught, take it on the chin like a man, and don't try and wriggle out like some whining baby.
Peace out?
Peace off more like...
markmoto
01-06-11, 02:19 PM
If so, you got caught, take it on the chin like a man, and don't try and wriggle out like some whining baby.
Peace out?
Peace off more like...
You have that the wrong way around, a baby/Slave does what it's told a man question's implied authority if you want to behave like a subject then carry on i care not.
You are an aggressive person arnt you eh you certainly show your true colour's in your post's
Peace off yourself ;) you may not like my idea's but as i dont realy care it does't realy matter :mrgreen: you dont speak for everyone.
So Mark can I take it, in your opinion, that the various Road Traffic Acts have (or should have) no effect? Would you have it that we can do what we like so long as we face the consequences if we injure someone or damage their property (i.e. our common law liability)?
markmoto
01-06-11, 03:07 PM
Not realy tamsv im not that radical, i agree with alot of the RTA's but i think that more and more they are getting used against us as a mean's of robbing us of more taxes, for instance the recent speeding ticket that appeared on my doorstep was from a Gatso camera for allegedly doing 36mph in a 30mph zone.
Now this was on a dual carriage way with a central reservation, now this in my mind does not constitute dangerous driving in any way, by the way the only reason it caught me was i was riding my friend's bike which has an annoying habit of resetting it's speedo to kph so when i glanced down i wasnt entirely sure how fast i was going so i had to guess at it.
As we all know speed camera's do nothing to stop careless or dangerous driving they dont even do anything to stop speeding because most if not everyone slow's down for the camera and then speed's up even more the other side of it, But we get it shoved down our throat's that speeding is dangerous when it generaly isnt there is alot more danger in dangerous / careless driving which these camera's dont account for.
We obviously need some guideline's to keep people safe but imo speed camera's arnt the way, which is why i take a personal stance against them and choose not to comply.
Just as a side note, regularly i see police vehicle's coming round a blind corner close to where i live doing approximately 50+mph in a 30 zone, just after this corner is a junction which is tricky to get out of at the best of times, now this to me come's across as dangerous driving but i guess this must be ok because they are supposedly advanced driver's. Its wont belong before there is a serious accident there to join the many other police car's that end up smashed up or on their roof due to so called advanced driving.
I might add i have nothing against the police when they behave in the correct way, and these are just my opinions.
That's a pretty reasonable response but I wonder if attacking the punishment is the way to protest.
If you're using Freeman tactics, the issue is no longer about speed cameras or inappropriate limits - it becomes about the form of "magic words" you can use to get out of an offence.
markmoto
01-06-11, 03:24 PM
That's a pretty reasonable response but I wonder if attacking the punishment is the way to protest.
If you're using Freeman tactics, the issue is no longer about speed cameras or inappropriate limits - it becomes about the form of "magic words" you can use to get out of an offence.
There is no other way to lawfully protest against such thing's other than by not consenting, this particular matter is about speed camera's, there is no such thing as magic word's, it's just a case of knowing what to say in the right way and at the right time.
You refer above to Punishment sound's alot like slavery to me i,e you either comply or you will be punished, well i choose not to consent to this, and when you start not consenting to thing's it open's up a whole new world you didnt even know existed. As i have said im only learning as i go along and only time will tell if im successfull.
We all have to do what we feel is right im not trying to imply that people should do anything, it is just my hope that i spark at least one person's interest to look below the surface.
Errr, why would you want to 'lawfully' protest? You don't accept that the 'laws' of this country apply to you.
On another note, I chose to comply with the laws of this country. I generally like to do so, as it contributes to the overall 'peaceful' status of this country (yes, I know that doesn't apply everywhere at all times).
Oh and I aslo found out that much of the Freeman of this land stuff is hosted on David Icke's site. 'Nuff said for me ;)
markmoto
01-06-11, 03:36 PM
Errr, why would you want to 'lawfully' protest? You don't accept that the 'laws' of this country apply to you.
On another note, I chose to comply with the laws of this country. I generally like to do so, as it contributes to the overall 'peaceful' status of this country (yes, I know that doesn't apply everywhere at all times).
Oh and I aslo found out that much of the Freeman of this land stuff is hosted on David Icke's site. 'Nuff said for me ;)
Why would i or anyone else want to lawfully protest against anything the government does Hmm i have no idea as they are so great all the time :rolleyes:.
Most of the Freeman stuff isnt on the David Icke forum, yes people discuss it on there also just as i am doing here.
You dont choose to comply with the law's of this country, you are just a peacefull living entity along with the majority of other's, the amount of bad guy's / Boogey men is smaller than you have been led to believe.
And point spectacularly missed!
markmoto
01-06-11, 03:45 PM
And point spectacularly missed!
it wasnt, just a difference between legal and lawfull..
-Ralph-
01-06-11, 03:55 PM
Can we start a new thread on Freeman of the land stuff and everyone can go debate it with Markmoto in there until their hearts content? This is second thread in as many weeks which has completely derailed since Markmoto posted something controversial.
I agree. And hold my hands up to my part in the nuisance too. Sorry normal people.
Right, any more FOTL type posts from now on in this thread will be zapped, ok?
Anymore on that topic in a new thread, please (if only to protect my own feeble sanity, so I know what to ignore)
markmoto
01-06-11, 03:59 PM
Can we start a new thread on Freeman of the land stuff and everyone can go debate it with Markmoto in there until their hearts content? This is second thread in as many weeks which has completely derailed since Markmoto posted something controversial.
Agreed Ralph, it wasnt my intention to carry on posting i was just replying to other people's post's, i did intend just to make my original post which was quite relevant with the direction the post's where going, i,e traffic violation's, i wont be posting anymore after this one.
There is no other way to lawfully protest against such thing's other than by not consenting,
There are plenty of alternative ways to protest which do not involve breaking the law. Refusing to take part is only effective if it's done in public and it's clear what the protest is about. Way back when, I refused to pay the Poll Tax because I believed it was a poorly thought out, regressive and unfair tax.
When the tax was repealed I paid my arrears plus interest. Thousands did the same. The object was to protest and make the tax difficult to collect, not to avoid my obligation to society.
I deliberately broke the rules to make a point and I would have done exactly the same if compulsory ID cards had been brought in, as would many others.
I don't have an issue with non-compliance if I feel the matter is important enough. But I also don't believe I am, or should be, immune to the consequences that might follow.
I've also been a member of a political party, been round knocking doors., delivering leaflets and speaking to people prior to elections, resigned from said political party and I also vote. All these are legitimate means of protest against elements of the current system and don't break the law.
this particular matter is about speed camera's, there is no such thing as magic word's, it's just a case of knowing what to say in the right way and at the right time.
But it's not about speed cameras is it? If I understand you correctly, you're embarking on a defence that you are not in contract with the state and therefore are not subject to their rules. That's taking the issue quite some distance away from speed cameras IMO.
In any event, you did not set out to make a pricipled point about these unfair rules - you just got caught.
You refer above to Punishment sound's alot like slavery to me i,e you either comply or you will be punished, well i choose not to consent to this, and when you start not consenting to thing's it open's up a whole new world you didnt even know existed.
Really?? A small fine and 3 points sounds **** all like actual slavery to me - I think that's a bit melodramatic. As a society we make rules and we devise punishments/censures/reparations/forfeitures (pick the one you like best) for those that stray outwith those rules. Any society needs to operate like that to survive. The only real argument is about the fairness of those rules and the suitability of the punishment.
There is no "them" and "us". The Government ARE us, as are the police. As individuals we have grouped together and sold some of our individual freedom for security. That seems very sensible.
You may, like me, believe that sometimes we sell too much but that's no reason to cast the entire system aside.
To pick and choose which parts of society you will take part in with no regard to the wishes of the majority is undemocratic, selfish and, well, just rude. :-D
EDIT: Ooops. Sorry Messie. Please transfer this to a FOTL thread if and when anyone ever starts one.
Nobody buys a new highway code every 5 years and reads it. That is the reality of the world we live in and the authorities should take that into account. I think changes in traffic laws should trigger a TV and radio advert for a period of time.
A similar advertising campaign to remind and re-educate drivers on things like lane discipline, who has priority where and when, etc, would be very successful too.
Now I'm not picking on you personally!
Why do we have to rely on people telling us what we should do we are human and should be able to dothing for ourselves. If its introduced a mandatory then its a nanny state, if its left up to us then we do nothing and then people complain when they are caught out by it or don't like what it say because they don't know about it.
But I do agree that it is a good idea when there are fundamental changes but they don't work - mobile phones were followed by a big campaign yet people still do it and still complain when they are caught ( as in speeding - so you missed the big red and white sign with a big 30 in it [don't get me started])
To me we are on the roads every day and maybe i am a 'swat' but I like to know the basics of the laws that govern me on there. Maybe it the IAM training and needing to know the basics.
Maybe I am just bonkers and totally weird. ( there's awhole new debate)
You have to admit its not a thing you encounter every day . It used to be ok to do up to the mid 90s now It's not.
So blody sneaky I think .
I'll admit that yeah its not for some every day.
I'm no angel when it comes to speed though I always make sure I'm not the fastest on the road.
30/40s I stick to ( A80 does not count) 50/NSL hmmm depends.
But I am fiercely protective of my clean licence.
there is also a huge difference on driving detween Scotland and England. Strange and not sure why?
punyXpress
02-06-11, 10:59 AM
[QUOTE=Quedos;2549179]
But I do agree that it is a good idea when there are fundamental changes but they don't work - mobile phones were followed by a big campaign yet people still do it and still complain when they are caught ( as in speeding - so you missed the big red and white sign with a big 30 in it [don't get me started])
The mobile phone law was an example of how NOT to do it:
Make the law
Tell all that they needn't bother until a much later date!
I really couldn't make that one up!
-Ralph-
02-06-11, 12:49 PM
Now I'm not picking on you personally!
Why do we have to rely on people telling us what we should do we are human and should be able to dothing for ourselves. If its introduced a mandatory then its a nanny state, if its left up to us then we do nothing and then people complain when they are caught out by it or don't like what it say because they don't know about it.
But I do agree that it is a good idea when there are fundamental changes but they don't work - mobile phones were followed by a big campaign yet people still do it and still complain when they are caught ( as in speeding - so you missed the big red and white sign with a big 30 in it [don't get me started])
To me we are on the roads every day and maybe i am a 'swat' but I like to know the basics of the laws that govern me on there. Maybe it the IAM training and needing to know the basics.
Maybe I am just bonkers and totally weird. ( there's awhole new debate)
I'll admit that yeah its not for some every day.
I'm no angel when it comes to speed though I always make sure I'm not the fastest on the road.
30/40s I stick to ( A80 does not count) 50/NSL hmmm depends.
But I am fiercely protective of my clean licence.
there is also a huge difference on driving detween Scotland and England. Strange and not sure why?
So we agree that an advertising campaign is a good idea, fundamentally that's all there is to talk about on that.
I don't think such adverts would be a function of a nanny state, thats just communication and distribution of information. Health officials coming on the telly and telling us we are expecting a heatwave and don't forget to wear suncream, now that's a nanny state.
Whether or not we think people should buy a new highway code every 5 years and read it is academic, because the reality is they don't, and they won't unless you introduce re-testing.
People only complain about hand-held mobile phones because they've been caught and costs them money, an extremely high percentage of drivers know it's illegal, and know what the consequences are if they get caught.
How many ordinary people (who don't participate in motorbike or car enthusiast forums) do you think know that they now have to comply with continuous insurance enforcement though? The only reason I know about it is from this forum. IMO people have every right to moan if they get fined under that.
Driving in England and Scotland is different. I know both very well. Tell me which bit in particular you don't understand and I'll give you my opinion on why that is.
punyXpress
02-06-11, 01:18 PM
" continuous insurance enforcement - The only reason I know about it is from this forum."
I got a slip about it with my invitation to renew.
-Ralph-
02-06-11, 01:27 PM
I got a slip about it with my invitation to renew.
Was the slip a government produced thing that is supposed to be in every renewal, or just your insurer being helpful?
Both car and bike were renewed on 20th May, I didn't get anything in either renewal.
Still if your renewal isn't due 'til next March, but you swapped your insurance to a different vehicle next month... Hopefully your insurer would ask if you had sold the vehicle, and if not tell you that you needed to declare SORN, but given that you are probably talking to a 18 yr old temp in a call centre, I'd not depend on it.
hongman
02-06-11, 01:32 PM
I only got a letter from my leasing co about it, otherwise nothing ever heard.
Ralph - yes we agree (and in black and white LOL)
I think it is a fundamentally good idea I'm just not hopefull they do it in the right way. Me I love the perfect day 'advert' . I suppose i'm not sure how it evaulates down . I can see the roads guy coming on and telling us the new changes and to obey them - like the sunscreen.
Maybe there is a poll idea there?!?!?
Driving - I don't see why there should be a difference to me its marked. IE why do the english feel the need to travel everywhere at 100mph 3inches of everyone bumper/tyre and why are they so intolerant of anyone else who is doing what they think is right. Sorry its just totally bamboozles me. Pace of life is different as well everyone lives faster? But why? (derail over)
Re continous improvement - I got a slip last year with my tax renewal advising me of the changes and still it made no sense to me (my vehicles are not kept on the road anyway and normally sorned)
martin15s
02-06-11, 01:39 PM
have those road works finished now and the traffic lights moved??:rolleyes:
-Ralph-
02-06-11, 01:47 PM
Driving - I don't see why there should be a difference to me its marked. IE why do the english feel the need to travel everywhere at 100mph 3inches of everyone bumper/tyre and why are they so intolerant of anyone else who is doing what they think is right. Sorry its just totally bamboozles me. Pace of life is different as well everyone lives faster? But why? (derail over)
You've hit the nail on the head, pace of life is faster, the roads are much busier and roads are more stressed.
I'd diasagree about this bit though "why are they so intolerant of anyone else who is doing what they think is right", I find people sticking their nose in, flashing lights, beeping horns, shaking fists, at something they perceive to be bad driving, much more common in Scotland. For instance overtaking someone who is doing 40 in a 60 limit, then they start flashing the headlights at you. Flashing their headlights when you are going towards them on the bike whilst overtaking on their side of the road, but they are still half a mile away! I very rarely see that kind of thing down here, people are not interested in your driving standards, unless you get in their way, they are only interested in getting themselves to where they are going.
I worked in Brum for 6 years and found people generally more considerate in terms of filtering down to single lanes, leaving junctions clear in heavy traffic etc. Around here they're dreadful at that - if you stuck Paradise Island in the middle of Ayr there'd be a square go every morning.
It's probably familiarity with that level of traffic and the realisation that if you do your bit to keep the traffic moving, you'll all get there quicker. Thinking about it, Glasgow's a bit better than Ayrshire for driving when it's busy.
Pace of life has to be quicker - I reckon the time it took me commuting to work and travelling to see customers in Brum cost me at least two or three weeks a year. I don't miss that aspect, but it does make me laugh now when someone tells me the roads are busy in Troon. :)
i know that there are more road rage incidents up here. though i think I know why i feel that they are more intolerant - I probably get in the way :-) lol
Tam - the roads are busy in Troon esp when the ferry comes in after the NW!!
punyXpress
02-06-11, 03:40 PM
Was the slip a government produced thing that is supposed to be in every renewal, or just your insurer being helpful?
Both car and bike were renewed on 20th May, I didn't get anything in either renewal.
'twas from DVLA with renewal doc for 31st March.
Refers to askMID & also mentions V14
and Quedos: your turn.
" Driving - I don't see why there should be a difference to me its marked. IE why do the english feel the need to travel everywhere at 100mph 3inches of everyone bumper/tyre and why are they so intolerant of anyone else who is doing what they think is right. Sorry its just totally bamboozles me. Pace of life is different as well everyone lives faster? But why? (derail over)"
That's because everyone this side of the Border is a lemming in the last stages of preparing for the big cliff jump!;)
With luck they'll all have done the deed before I get back from GM - did you know I was a selfish barsteward?
-Ralph-
02-06-11, 10:33 PM
Never believe this! A DVLA and MID sponsored advert has just come on the telly, advertising the new CIE rules! You see, I should be running the country ;-)
-Ralph-
02-06-11, 10:35 PM
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This is exactly the kind of thing that is needed! That type of fly over animation, showing what not to do, with a voice over explaining what's wrong, then another animation showing how it should be done, with a voice over explaining what the highway code says.
This kind of public information advertising is not a new concept, remember this?
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suicidesam
02-06-11, 11:24 PM
Another for the lack of advertising changes...
Tail end of last year, I got pulled at Crick on the M1 (7pm Sunday night) in the works van while towing a twin axel trailer on route to London.. Handed a £200 fine for the company for not having a tacho fitted, and 3 points plus fine for myself for a blown bulb! Guy was a right to$$er! Never said a word out of place, He just gave me the talk on "you should have checked all your lights worked before you left".. I had, and had just driven for 7 hours thanks! Then had to phone about to get someone to recover the trailer the remaining 70 miles to london for me!
Nearly everyone i speak to about this have never heard of the law changes on tacho's needing to be fitted to a transit or Jeep etc if you wanted to tow a trailer for work purposes.. Had it been an empty trailer, that would not apply?! Never been pulled for it up here and towed the trailer loaded on a weekly basis.
:rant:
Bluepete
03-06-11, 06:40 AM
and 3 points plus fine for myself for a blown bulb!
:rant:
Three points for a bulb? At most it's a £30 FPN for failing to maintain lights/reflectors. What code is on your licence? Sound like you've been done!
As for the taco, each company running vehicles should have a CPC holder or similar who's job it is to be aware of changes in he law and ensure they are applied or upheld.
Having said that, I've dealt with an HGV firm who's CPC holder allowed two drivers to work after they produced the worst fake licences I've ever seen!
Pete, "The *******" ;)
That taco law has been about for about 10years .
We had a bulliten from Nissan about it because even in a pickup you can fall foul of the combined max capacity waight. And It's what I can rather than what you have loaded .
suicidesam
04-06-11, 12:28 AM
Canny mind the exact code off hand, was summit like dangerous condition of vehicle part on the slip, was dark by the time I got down there. Think he was just trying to hit me with anything he/Vosa could.. All over the transit like a cheap suit! Had been stuck there for about 3 hours by the time they got round to checking vehicle and paperwork getting filled out.. Was right peeved off but just wanted to get back on the road.
Worked for a small company.. No CPC, 5 guys at the time and I was running the place while the boss was in the States, took it on the chin, boss paid up for the fine.
Don't mind getting tugged for any reason.. This guy on the other hand was at best a ****!
NTECUK.. Got informed after the event that most folks slip round this law by getting trailers re-classed to keep the train weight below tacho level.. Nice trick.
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