How much longer will we survive..?

[keithd]

New strain of e-coli killed 18 across Europe
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-02/e-coli-outbreak-infects-1-600-across-europe-as-scientists-search-for-cause.html

Now cows are after us
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/scientists-mrsa-superbug-cows-humans-232525287.html

OK you can of course argue that 18 from a 6 billion population is so miniscule it barely registers as a percentage, but these new strains of various nasty bugs are the fault of man surely? No? Are we destined to self destruct in a kind of Will Smith "Legend" type of way (for those who've not seen the film man creates a cure for cancer which mutates and turns people into raging zombie type creatures)?

Discuss if you can be arsed

[Scoobs]

Are we destined to self destruct in a kind of Will Smith "Legend" type of way (for those who've not seen the film man creates a cure for cancer which mutates and turns people into raging zombie type creatures

^^^ This.

I think it's meant to happen two weeks Wednesday. You heard it here first and you have been warned. Don't say I didn't tell you.

[keithd]

^^^ This.

I think it's meant to happen two weeks Wednesday. You heard it here first and you have been warned. Don't say I didn't tell you.
kidding me right? just bloody renewed my car tax last week! FFS!

[Owenski]

Its inevitable, like the salinity of the ocean everything must balance (another apocolypitic film refercence) Overpopulation will be cured by war or disease, its always been the way and not just with our speciese its just a matter of when.

Quite like the I am legend idea though, (as long as Im a winner).

[dizzyblonde]

Hellfire and brimstone!

Ahh well, I'm of the non OCD variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

IMO, theres more and more serious strains of bugs, because theres a stupid amount of hygiene control these days.....back in my day, of being a kid, we'd play in fields, climb trees, eat our tea without washing hands, with fingernails full of mud from playing out all day. We didn't have anti bacterial sprays for everything from the kitchen to the bog...and the boys used to throw worms in girls hair.

We need more muck around the place!!

[daveyrach]

I think the press scaremonger, yes these things are about and COULD be bad but likelyhood is most people will be fine, there will be an unlucky few but we will be fine, just look at Swine Flu, that was compared to the great flu epidemic of the 1900's that killed millions but that never happened. People these days are scared of everything, we as a species feel the need to quantify and control everything but sometimes you have to hold you hands up and say i have no idea what is going to happen!

Agree with DB on the cleanliness thing, people aren;t exposed enough to dirt and bugs so when they do get them full on it catastophic rather than a minor illness!

[tactcom7]

hellfire and brimstone!

Ahh well, i'm of the non ocd variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

Imo, theres more and more serious strains of bugs, because theres a stupid amount of hygiene control these days.....back in my day, of being a kid, we'd play in fields, climb trees, eat our tea without washing hands, with fingernails full of mud from playing out all day. We didn't have anti bacterial sprays for everything from the kitchen to the bog...and the boys used to throw worms in girls hair.

We need more muck around the place!!

+1000

[husky03]

Hellfire and brimstone!

Ahh well, I'm of the non OCD variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

IMO, theres more and more serious strains of bugs, because theres a stupid amount of hygiene control these days.....back in my day, of being a kid, we'd play in fields, climb trees, eat our tea without washing hands, with fingernails full of mud from playing out all day. We didn't have anti bacterial sprays for everything from the kitchen to the bog...and the boys used to throw worms in girls hair.

We need more muck around the place!!

bang on dizz-
time to get back to basics me thinks

[G]

I can just see some Geneticaly Modified food debate starting over all this... which will turn into we 'COULD' all be doomed... but probably won't be. :rolleyes:

[maviczap]

hellfire and brimstone!

Ahh well, i'm of the non ocd variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

Imo, theres more and more serious strains of bugs, because theres a stupid amount of hygiene control these days.....back in my day, of being a kid, we'd play in fields, climb trees, eat our tea without washing hands, with fingernails full of mud from playing out all day. We didn't have anti bacterial sprays for everything from the kitchen to the bog...and the boys used to throw worms in girls hair.

We need more muck around the place!!

+1000

bang on dizz-
time to get back to basics me thinks

+200,000,000

[Quedos]

Hellfire and brimstone!

Ahh well, I'm of the non OCD variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

IMO, theres more and more serious strains of bugs, because theres a stupid amount of hygiene control these days.....back in my day, of being a kid, we'd play in fields, climb trees, eat our tea without washing hands, with fingernails full of mud from playing out all day. We didn't have anti bacterial sprays for everything from the kitchen to the bog...and the boys used to throw worms in girls hair.

We need more muck around the place!!

With you on that I can't believe how people can be so clean its annoying!!

[dizzyblonde]

:takeabow:

Afaaaangyou!

Its true though isn't it. At work, I have to wash my hands every time I exit, and enter a different part of the factory for hygiene reasons, which fair to say is acceptable behaviour when you work in a chocolate factory. I don't fancy the idea of eating someone elses nose pickings in my QS thanks!

At home though, because I serially wash my hands at work, they suffer, and they are so dry and sore....hands that do dishes aren't as soft as my face! They itch with dermatitis/excema and I make them bleed on occasion, so you can see my point over not washing them all the time.

My dog stinks, I give him a bath regular, I stroke him, brush him, and he lays all over my floor, but a bit of dog stink and much ain't going to harm, just like the odd cat hair.

Pete on the other hand is OCD, its rediculous, in fact it makes me feel paranoid my house is mucky. BUT, the allergies he has, has calmed down over the time hes lived here, so I am actually doing him a favour.
I am very rarely ill, its all because I pick my nose, after I've stroked the stinky dog!:smt116

[carelesschucca]

Ahh well, I'm of the non OCD variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

We need more muck around the place!!

Ah you're so Northern - I like that...

I just see it as you've got to die of something but don't worry Steven Segal is going to help us all.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/14655051/steven-seagal-asks-for-russian-pm-vladimir-putins-support-in-immortality-research

[yorkie_chris]

18 pints and a dodgy curry.

E Coli immunity guaranteed :)

[keithd]

i ate cucumber last night. double hard bástard that iam

[yorkie_chris]

I had some of that dip they give you with the poppadoms, does that count :smt082

[keithd]

I had some of that dip they give you with the poppadoms, does that count :smt082

no, but my estimation of you have gone down! dips are for girls, no? unless it was lime pickle of course.... :D

[yorkie_chris]

Mmmmm lime pickle.
Who says dips are for girls? Only bit for girls is when they put yoghurt on a korma cos it's too hot.

Anyway we are derailling, doomsday doomsday!!
s4haocYW8kQ

[timwilky]

Since the sixties we have been told not to eat spanish salad it will make you ill. Looks like the crouts have had too much success nicking the sun beds and forgotten the golden rule.

That aside, When I bought my cucumber this morning I checked country of origin, it was confusing as it was stamped York. I know them tykes have over inflated egos, but York a country???

Whilst I agree with dizzy in principle that we should encourage a kids immune system. This particular strain of e-coli seems to be quite selective in that 70% of infected are women and the majority middle age...Hmmmm yes what does that suggest, vain, overweight dieting salad munchers. A real ard man and kids wouldn't be seen dead on the rabbit food. You reap what you sow, If they heard the lettuce scream as it was ripped from its roots would they eat it. the same for the poor cucumber torn from its parent vine crying tears of loneliness.

[maviczap]

Pete on the other hand is OCD, its rediculous, in fact it makes me feel paranoid my house is mucky. BUT, the allergies he has, has calmed down over the time hes lived here, so I am actually doing him a favour.
I am very rarely ill, its all because I pick my nose, after I've stroked the stinky dog!:smt116

My MIL and BIL are very OCD, I often joke with my colleagues that I haven't had time to steam clean the loo, just to ensure its compleately germ free.

My BIL & kids are constantly ill with colds, probably down to his use of germ killing sprays & OCD.

We don't use them in our house and I'm not often ill, although bizzarly I've woken up with a sore throat & runny nose. Is it the end for me :smt116

[Bluefish]

:takeabow:

Afaaaangyou!

Its true though isn't it. At work, I have to wash my hands every time I exit, and enter a different part of the factory for hygiene reasons, which fair to say is acceptable behaviour when you work in a chocolate factory. I don't fancy the idea of eating someone elses nose pickings in my QS thanks!

At home though, because I serially wash my hands at work, they suffer, and they are so dry and sore....hands that do dishes aren't as soft as my face! They itch with dermatitis/excema and I make them bleed on occasion, so you can see my point over not washing them all the time.

My dog stinks, I give him a bath regular, I stroke him, brush him, and he lays all over my floor, but a bit of dog stink and much ain't going to harm, just like the odd cat hair.

Pete on the other hand is OCD, its rediculous, in fact it makes me feel paranoid my house is mucky. BUT, the allergies he has, has calmed down over the time hes lived here, so I am actually doing him a favour.
I am very rarely ill, its all because I pick my nose, after I've stroked the stinky dog!:smt116
Dizz you're such a lady, so elegant and cultured, muhahaha.

[daveyrach]

My MIL and BIL are very OCD, I often joke with my colleagues that I haven't had time to steam clean the loo, just to ensure its compleately germ free.

My BIL & kids are constantly ill with colds, probably down to his use of germ killing sprays & OCD.

We don't use them in our house and I'm not often ill, although bizzarly I've woken up with a sore throat & runny nose. Is it the end for me :smt116

My house is tidy but not particularly clean, i have dogs, cats and 4 kids, none of us get ill the odd runny nose and cough is about it, in the last 5 years i have had flu really bad once and thats it.

Completely agree OCD disinfected ppl get ill way more often

[dizzyblonde]

Dizz you're such a lady, so elegant and cultured, muhahaha.
\\:D/

I am what I am, take it or leave it:D

However, be rest assured, after picking my nose, I will ensure my hands are washed before baking you a cake or cooking......won't stop me lickin my fingers tho;)

PS Tim......its Kraut:p

[keithd]

after I've stroked the stinky dog!:smt116

euphamism?

[andrewsmith]

Hellfire and brimstone!

Ahh well, I'm of the non OCD variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

IMO, theres more and more serious strains of bugs, because theres a stupid amount of hygiene control these days.....back in my day, of being a kid, we'd play in fields, climb trees, eat our tea without washing hands, with fingernails full of mud from playing out all day. We didn't have anti bacterial sprays for everything from the kitchen to the bog...and the boys used to throw worms in girls hair.

We need more muck around the place!!

+200,000,000

+200,000,001

Sounds like a guy I used to work with OCD clean wasn't the words.

I had been sat at his desk for 4 days (the office was hotdesk'ed due to the nature of the job). Phone hadn't stopped in 5 days. First thing he did alcohol cleaning wipes over the phone, desk and keyboard then proceeded to spend 2 hours cleaning the office while the phone never stopped ringing.

Surprise Surprise he and the missus were always ill.

[Bibio]

i'm am the messiest most untidy and lazy person on the org. my house is a sh!thole but its not the kind of sh!thole that has thing growing out the sink its just not a nice and pretty with lovely decorating kind of house, for this reason no one gets to visit coz its embarising. my wife kids and i never get the cold or nowt that is going around. unlike my mother who is OCD and washes, cleans enything that stands still long enough and guess what she is always ill.

long live the messy people :-)

[markmoto]

Hellfire and brimstone!

Ahh well, I'm of the non OCD variety of people, who pick their nose, scratch their ar$e and generally don't go overboards with the 'must wash hands' after everything from touching the cat/dog, to well picking my nose :lol:

IMO, theres more and more serious strains of bugs, because theres a stupid amount of hygiene control these days.....back in my day, of being a kid, we'd play in fields, climb trees, eat our tea without washing hands, with fingernails full of mud from playing out all day. We didn't have anti bacterial sprays for everything from the kitchen to the bog...and the boys used to throw worms in girls hair.

We need more muck around the place!!

:smt045 the voice of wisdom as always, couldnt agree more.;)

[dizzyblonde]

its just not a nice and pretty with lovely decorating kind of house, for this reason no one gets to visit coz its embarising.

Same as, I don't like folk visiting either.
Its cleaned and tidied every day, baby rolls around on a clean floor, and you sit on a clean sofa, the washing up is done, the bog is clean....its just not a sparkly house that Lloyd Grossman could have a gander in!
Its a lived in house, its small and overcrowded, with kids shoes to fall over, toys or dogs for that matter.
When folk come to visit who haven't been before I panic, but then when its cleaned for the millionth time it looks no different than before!

Any way, I have just eaten Spanish cherry tomatoes, and they're rather nice, and not a tummy ache in sight:grin:

[DJFridge]

Dirt is good for you, no doubt about it. Anyway, if you get your veg from the local farm shop, it isn't mass produced, foreign, bland, ecoli ridden cr@p so you can eat it safely. And Dizzy, what are you doing eating Spanish tomatoes? English tomatoes are just as yummy.

[dizzyblonde]

And Dizzy, what are you doing eating Spanish tomatoes? English tomatoes are just as yummy.

Asda £1.

Although I have my own on the grow;) Along with chillies:D

[Bibio]

i just think that there is more important stuff in life to spend my money on. if anyone visits and sticks their nose up then they are shown the door. BTW its not as bad as those dirty house houses that you see on telly, those houses are just filthy and i wouldn't even set foot in them. its more of a CBA house lol.

anyway the world is nigh so what's the point :-)

[Bri w]

I clean out my gut with alcohol on a regular basis... 20 mins and its Stella time.

[maviczap]

i just think that there is more important stuff in life to spend my money on. if anyone visits and sticks their nose up then they are shown the door. BTW its not as bad as those dirty house houses that you see on telly, those houses are just filthy and i wouldn't even set foot in them. its more of a CBA house lol.

anyway the world is nigh so what's the point :-)

Sadly my late FIL refused to come into our house because HE thought it was too messy (not dirty). But with two kids and both of us working, there's not always time to make it sparkly clean.

Plus I agree with you, there's more to life than spending every free minute cleaning.

My BIL comes home from work and is known to go straight into a cleaning routine because its not tidy or clean enough. Even in the school holidays he spends time cleaning & hoovering rather than take his kids out. No wonder they're always bored and misbehave. :rolleyes:

[markmoto]

Asda £1.

Although I have my own on the grow;) Along with chillies:D

Me too tomatoes & cucumber's grow like wild fire but chillie's and pepper's are much slower growing arnt they, im well impressed with my courgette plant's this year monster of a thing :p.

[markmoto]

Ive never liked goin into houses that are too showy/stuffy myself much prefer a more relaxed natural how and people who have a take me as you find me attitude ;-)

[dizzyblonde]

Me too tomatoes & cucumber's grow like wild fire but chillie's and pepper's are much slower growing arnt they, im well impressed with my courgette plant's this year monster of a thing :p.

No idea, this is the first batch!

My grandparents used to have a garden full of everything a grandchild could wish for to raid:D Strawberries, raspberries, gooseberries, peas...god they used to get stripped by six of us!, lettuce, cabbages, rhubarb....you name it, it was there. In the greenhouse, there was always tomatoes growing, and all the colours of the rainbow in the flowerbeds.
They could never get on with cucumbers though.

Nowadays, my parents have taken over for growing stuff in their garden. My eldest loves being in the greenhouse with grandad, they grow chillies and toms together.
I just need a big enough garden to have a greenhouse, then I can have a go properly. All the ones I grew from seed are down at my parents, with just the odd one here in the kitchen.

[embee]

On a straight note, this e-coli thing, the reporting and the decisions, is totally bizarre. It's a Hamburg thing FFS, how could it be that fruit&veg grown in Spain or wherever suddenly becomes lethal only around Hamburg? Why isn't everyone dropping everywhere else in Europe? I bet a pound to a pinch of $hit it'll be tracked to some scabby worker in a packaging plant or some untreated sewage getting into the veggie wash tanks or such like near Hamburg. Only time I've ever had really bad food poisoning (ended up in A&E) was in Austria, it was from a sandwich bar.

On a lighter note, bring on the dirt I say. We evolved over the thousands of years with cack on our hands and worms in our guts, there is some evidence that worm infestation can make some allergies etc better. I don't go round licking the bowl so to speak, but if a biscuit drops on the floor it's still a biscuit.

[maviczap]

On a straight note, this e-coli thing, the reporting and the decisions, is totally bizarre. It's a Hamburg thing FFS, how could it be that fruit&veg grown in Spain or wherever suddenly becomes lethal only around Hamburg? Why isn't everyone dropping everywhere else in Europe? I bet a pound to a pinch of $hit it'll be tracked to some scabby worker in a packaging plant or some untreated sewage getting into the veggie wash tanks or such like near Hamburg. Only time I've ever had really bad food poisoning (ended up in A&E) was in Austria, it was from a sandwich bar.

Well, as Hamburg is the biggest port in Germany and handles the majority of the refrigerated cargo for the country, then its going to revolve around the distribution of any contaminated food source.

But you may be right in thye problem lies in how the produce was treated, AFTER it was imported into Germany

[Milky Bar Kid]

I am a strange individual (if you hadn't already realised this fact).

I do have a sort of compulsion to wash my hands but only in certain circumstances. I can touch dogs, cats, animals of most varieties, be covered in baby drool/sick/poop, get covered in mud and in certain circumstances blood too and not really be put up nor down about it.

Make me touch a railing on a bus or train, touch just about anything in London (or any other big city), money, dirty people, shopping baskets or trolleys, and I will have a fit if I can't wash my hands.....

However, I do also agree we are too clean!

[Bluefish]

Domestos, kills 99.9% of germs, surely they must have found a way of killing that .1% by now. Houses are for living in, if you want to clean some thing, come over here and i'll let you clean my bike and car ;)

[Milkus]

Domestos, kills 99.9% of germs, surely they must have found a way of killing that .1% by now. Houses are for living in, if you want to clean some thing, come over here and i'll let you clean my bike and car ;)

I'm sure I can make something that kills 0.1% of bacteria and sell it to domestos ;)

[Milky Bar Kid]

Domestos, kills 99.9% of germs, surely they must have found a way of killing that .1% by now. Houses are for living in, if you want to clean some thing, come over here and i'll let you clean my bike and car ;)

Think the reason they say 99.9% is due to the speed at which bacteria and germs mutate!

[Milkus]

Think the reason they say 99.9% is due to the speed at which bacteria and germs mutate!

Or they mutate and create a new strain of virus/bacteria which domestos may not kill?

[Milky Bar Kid]

Yeh, that's what I was kinda meaning!

[BigBaddad]

I can only think of one way of getting e-coli on a cucumber and it involves copious quantities of lube..........dirty buggers those Germans.

[Milkus]

Yeh, that's what I was kinda meaning!

Oh sorry :/

[Milkus]

I can only think of one way of getting e-coli on a cucumber and it involves copious quantities of lube..........dirty buggers those Germans.

BBC NEWS : E-coli breakout related to cucumbers; 7 women dead in Sweden, 5 women dead in Holland, 3 women dead in France and 1 man in Brighton.

:)

[BigBaddad]

Hehe

[Milky Bar Kid]

Oh sorry :/

I possibly didn't word it well! No need to apologise!

[Milkus]

I possibly didn't word it well! No need to apologise!

I'm new, last thing I want to do is come across wrong and arrogant. Won't meet many people that way :)

[Milky Bar Kid]

You didn't come across that way! Don't worry dude. Anyway, nice to meet you! ;)

[Milkus]

You didn't come across that way! Don't worry dude. Anyway, nice to meet you! ;)

Nice to meet you too. I'm astounded to meet someone with a similar nickname to myself. Used to get called the milky bar kid when I was younger at college lol.

[Milky Bar Kid]

LOL! Blonde hair and occasionally wears glasses = milky bar kid! lol! Anyway [/derail]

[Milkus]

Yes indeed, mixed in with my pasty White skin and we're on to a winner. Anyhow back to the drawing board. I think we'll get killed by religion before viral or bacterial diseases.

[thulfi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

This flu in 1918 reduced a third of the worlds population and we still survived. Not saying it can't happen, but with medical advances I think war or environment damage is more of a threat to our numbers than bacteria.

[Biker Biggles]

Nothing to with Spanish cucumbers.Its the muslims from Pakistan exporting biological warfare,probably in cahoots with the Jews getting their own back for what Adolf did.

[Milkus]

It's going to end with 'my god is better than your god.......'

*boom*

[thulfi]

Its the muslims from Pakistan exporting biological warfare.

Invent, and it will get in the wrong hands. As humans we are collectively responsible for the planet we live in and if we as a species blow it then that's what it is, humans wiped themselves out.

[Bluefish]

Invent, and it will get in the wrong hands. As humans we are collectively responsible for the planet we live in and if we as a species blow it then that's what it is, humans wiped themselves out.
And that is inevitable, nice knowing you ;) If the god botherer's can't get over them selves and stopfighting it's going to be messy :reaper:

[Dicky Ticker]

God botherer's or natures way,whichever,only a way of bring a balance back to an overpopulated planet.As an insignificant spec there isn't a lot you can do about it.
Why worry--be happy and live for today.

[timwilky]

Well a germ will not survive in my house as those of you who have visited will no doubt testify. I even have to wipe the dogs paws after he has been out for an empty.

[markmoto]

Well a germ will not survive in my house as those of you who have visited will no doubt testify. I even have to wipe the dogs paws after he has been out for an empty.

Tim unfortunately try as one may its virtualy impossible to irradicate all germ's, they are in the very air we breath, dog's will bring them in on their coat's they are everywhere. It is my belief that the only way to fight them is from the inside with a health immune system anything else is futile unless you want to live in a sterile bubble which itself isnt good.

[timwilky]

You haven't met my wife and daughter. Germs turn and run at the front door. They are cleaning addicts.

Yes I know in reality they are not going to destroy every germ/virus that is foolish enough to enter their realm. But that doesn't stop them having a damn good attempt at biological extermination.

Poor old Jasper even has a weekly bath and in winter it can be daily. I sometimes feel like playing x-ray spex when they start on him.

[husky03]

very interesting topic this - i find that i wish i could do more to lessen the negative effect that we have on our planet(feck -i'm becoming a hippy),so i've been doing some web searching to see what alternatives are out there and what some other people are doing to change how we live-found this site
http://www.lowimpact.org/forums/index.php
some interesting topics and good to see some people making a change-wish i was in the position to do like wise as i think it would be a more rewarding(on a human development scale ) life for my kids.

[timwilky]

maybe eating locally produced food might be a good start.

[dizzyblonde]

Poor old Jasper even has a weekly bath and in winter it can be daily. I sometimes feel like playing x-ray spex when they start on him.

I'm presuming Jasper is a dog. Poor thing, that bathing so often will be a detriment in itself to the fella! Yer not supposed to give em so often, they'll be giving him allergies if they aren't careful! Not to mention poor coat and skin due to lack of natural oil.

maybe eating locally produced food might be a good start.

Now this is a good idea. Its been well documented about eating local prodced honey to relieve symptoms of hayfever. Like I said in an earlier post, I have noticed Pegs lowered usage of antihistamine tablets since living here, probably due to massive exposure to pets.
A friend of mine was cured of a huge cat allergy when his Mrs bought him two kittens, forcing his system into overdrive, then reversing itself. He now far less likely to start sneezing and scratching, or streaming from the eyes when he goes near a short haired moggy. Contact with a longer haired heightens it slightly though.

[markmoto]

If anyone is interested look up colloidal silver, it's an old kind of forgotten Very effective remedy antibacterial/antiviral that you can make at home very cheaply. Im sure some of you will have heard of it, They recently tried to ban it's sale in europe why well i suspect because it cant be patented and sold at big profit's.

Here is a very good pdf by Dr Beck with alot on colloidal silver and it's benefit's.
http://www.stoptherobbery.com/Take%20Back%20Your%20Power!.pdf (http://www.stoptherobbery.com/Take%20Back%20Your%20Power%21.pdf)

If your sceptical to how good silver is, if you know a doctor or nurse ask them about silver dressing's for wound's, also i believe silver use is one of the secret's as to why the royal family suffer very little illness and live to a ripe old age, i have read that their regular use of silver cutlery, plate's etc is where to term blue blood come's from.

Also here is a good documentary about Dr Bob beck his device's and colloidal silver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkiX0jJJozk

Oh and here is another one about how and why the drug companies supress cure's for thing's.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3957307988644640556#

I have recently bought a Dr bob beck device as one of it's many benefit's is it double's as a colloidal silver maker which i think is a very usefull thing to have.

Im all for simple cure's and have alway's believed that there must be simpler way's of curing most thing's using nature's natural power.

Hope someone find's some of the information here usefull.:D

[markmoto]

very interesting topic this - i find that i wish i could do more to lessen the negative effect that we have on our planet(feck -i'm becoming a hippy),so i've been doing some web searching to see what alternatives are out there and what some other people are doing to change how we live-found this site
http://www.lowimpact.org/forums/index.php
some interesting topics and good to see some people making a change-wish i was in the position to do like wise as i think it would be a more rewarding(on a human development scale ) life for my kids.

This is also something that interest's me alot, ive done alot over the last few year's to simplify my life and become more self suficient i realy do believe that it's the way forward, technology alone wont save us most of it is irrelevant, we need to learn to live in tune with nature and not try to batter it into submission with a big stick because i dont believe it's a fight we can win.

[timwilky]

I'm presuming Jasper is a dog. Poor thing, that bathing so often will be a detriment in itself to the fella! Yer not supposed to give em so often, they'll be giving him allergies if they aren't careful! Not to mention poor coat and skin due to lack of natural oil.



Shhhh woman, you will give him a complex. He is a real boy (too much Pinocchio in our house), mummies little baby. Lynne is his nanna etc. You will meet him at the AR. FFS dont call him a Jack Russell.

You are probably right about the allergies as well, so far tested positive for dust mites and grass pollen. Custom jabs we had to give him daily then weekly monthly to get him over them.

Lynne/Michelle went nuts at the suggestion we may have dust mites, ffs we do not have dust.

[dizzyblonde]

If anyone is interested look up colloidal silver, it's an old kind of forgotten Very effective remedy antibacterial/antiviral that you can make at home very cheaply. Im sure some of you will have heard of it, They recently tried to ban it's sale in europe why well i suspect because it cant be patented and sold at big profit's.



If your sceptical to how good silver is, if you know a doctor or nurse ask them about silver dressing's for wound's, also i believe silver use is one of the secret's as to why the royal family suffer very little illness and live to a ripe old age, i have read that their regular use of silver cutlery, plate's etc is where to term blue blood come's from.



.:D

You can buy handwash in Asda for a quid which claims to have silver in it

http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/Images/ExternalImages/ProductsDetailed/96/131996.jpg?ts=634173397614
Have some on the toilet sink as it happens!

Shhhh woman, you will give him a complex. He is a real boy (too much Pinocchio in our house), mummies little baby. Lynne is his nanna etc. You will meet him at the AR. FFS dont call him a Jack Russell.

You are probably right about the allergies as well, so far tested positive for dust mites and grass pollen. Custom jabs we had to give him daily then weekly monthly to get him over them.

Lynne/Michelle went nuts at the suggestion we may have dust mites, ffs we do not have dust.

Hes a frickin dog, not a dolly, good grief, they'll be sticking him in jumpers next:rolleyes:
Well there you have it, tested for dust mites, I reckon if you tell em to stop washing him, his allergies will magically disappear, give em a brush each instead.....he'll appreciate it more;)
Of course hes gonna have grass pollen on his fur, they roll in it!

I think yer mrs would have her white gloves out in this house :lol:

[metalangel]

Hang on hang on hang on...

We have poor rainful threatening crops all over Europe...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13440408

And here we have the Soviet Russians who don't want to buy any European crops. More for the rest of us, surely?