Garmin Zumo 660

[hongman]

Well, of late my Sat nav (6+yr old TomTom One) has been screwing around, and today it got me in all sorts of trouble cutting out for no apparent reason while on my way to see a client.

So, if I get a new one, might as well get one that will go on the bike as well :)

It says it comes with a Motorcycle mount and all hardware, anyone know what kind it is, how good it is, and if it'll go on the SV (curvy) ok?

Also, what is their route planning software like? From their website "you can create custom routes on your computer for transfer directly to the sat nav". Is it proprietary software (any good?) or can I put a Google Maps route on it?

Halfords have a web offer on for £435, which is only £360 minus VAT (it'll be going through the company).

Any others that are comparable/just as good for less/same money to consider?

[MisterTommyH]

I've never used their software. I use TYRE which is free to download and then transfer it to the Garmin.

It's quite good, but I've had a few issues picking up the micro SD card for music. I'll get some photos and post them up in a bit.

If you don't like the standard RAM mount on the handle bars, theres one that you get get to fit to the central yoke bolt - google telferizer.

[-Ralph-]

See this thread, any questions just ask http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=164903, I've had it a while now and very happy with it. It only comes with a RAM mount, a 240v USB charger, and a USB cable, but the battery lasts two days constant use on battery saving mode, and will fit in a universal sat nav holder in the car, and charge off a universal 12v USB adaptor, both a fiver on fleabay. An "active" mount which wires into the bike battery is about 40 squid, but with the battery life it has I don't think I'll ever need it. It works with TYRE software too.

[maviczap]

Yep, best way to mount it is a Telferizer RAM mount, 5 min job and excellent stability

[maviczap]

I've never used their software. I use TYRE which is free to download and then transfer it to the Garmin.

It's quite good, but I've had a few issues picking up the micro SD card for music. I'll get some photos and post them up in a bit.

If you don't like the standard RAM mount on the handle bars, theres one that you get get to fit to the central yoke bolt - google telferizer.

+1 on the Tyre software, its excellent

[MisterTommyH]

http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz78/Thomas_Nathaniel_Hender/DSC00422.jpg
Car Mount (with 12V lead)
http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz78/Thomas_Nathaniel_Hender/DSC00424.jpg
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Bike mount (comes with a bit of a loom that you wire into the battery with in line fuse, plus a mic jack, earphone jack and socket for traffic aerial)

I am going to get the telferizer fitting when I can be bothered taking the centre bolt off to get a hole drilled.

Oh and try satnaveasy.com - they sometimes have a deal on a certain sat nav making it quite cheap.

[danf1234]

I have one, and I think it is brilliant. I too have issues with Music on the SD card.

I got mine from www.handtec

[dizzyblonde]

Garmins are rubbish in Yorkshire. They find there way into wheelie bins very easily though :lol:

[hongman]

Cheers guys, esp for the TYRE software (never heard of it before) and the photos.

Ralph, craking deal there, but I'm after something that I can import routes to. I'm convinced this will make my riding more enjoyable, as I can start planning fun routes to places I normally take the Mway/A-roads to :D

Bit confused with the whole wiring loom thing - does this not just come with a lead I can plug into a 12v ciggy socket, as I have one on my bike already?

Ideally I also want to get a bluetooth earpiece for my AGV Sv, which has space in the lid already...but all I can find is "AGV Voice" which costs more than the lid did.

Music, not too fussed about right now. Never rode with music before, but I will try it soon to see if it is worth the hassle for me.

Current TomTom battery lasts under an hour from full charge so anything I get now will be an improvement :) Although it'll be plugged in 95% of the time anyway I imagine.

[MisterTommyH]

Bit confused with the whole wiring loom thing - does this not just come with a lead I can plug into a 12v ciggy socket, as I have one on my bike already?



Nup, thats what I thought when I got it (hence installed a 12V socket first), but it has to be hard wired (or run on battery only).

The 12v plug only fits into the car mount, and that wire you see from the bike mount comes with the loom ready attached.

[hongman]

Um; ok...

In that case...

Is it easy to wire?
Bit concerned with the metal contacts on the mount when the satnav isn't being used, esp if directly connected to the battery - assuming though it must be rainproof?

[-Ralph-]

Cheers guys, esp for the TYRE software (never heard of it before) and the photos.

Ralph, craking deal there, but I'm after something that I can import routes to. I'm convinced this will make my riding more enjoyable, as I can start planning fun routes to places I normally take the Mway/A-roads to :D

Bit confused with the whole wiring loom thing - does this not just come with a lead I can plug into a 12v ciggy socket, as I have one on my bike already?

Ideally I also want to get a bluetooth earpiece for my AGV Sv, which has space in the lid already...but all I can find is "AGV Voice" which costs more than the lid did.

Music, not too fussed about right now. Never rode with music before, but I will try it soon to see if it is worth the hassle for me.

Current TomTom battery lasts under an hour from full charge so anything I get now will be an improvement :) Although it'll be plugged in 95% of the time anyway I imagine.

It works with TYRE software too.

Maybe you missed that bit ^^^^^^^^^^ TYRE is designed to work with TomTom and itinerary files are the default file type produced from TYRE, to save to Garmin you need to change the file type to a GPX file.

The TomTom doesn't come with the wiring loom, and to keep it waterproof, you can't open the little flap to get to the USB port when it is on the mount. So no, you can't charge it from a 12v socket on the move, but you can charge it from a 12v socket for 15 minutes during a stop which gives you an extra few hours battery life.

The logic behind this is is TomTom have reduced the price by £100 quid since the V2 model, but now don't include the accessories, you only spend that extra £100 quid on the accessories if you want them.

They have increased the battery life to 8 hours minimum, and if you use battery saving mode I get about 16 hours use between charges, so I don't need the wired mount, I'm never more than 16 hours from a bed and a mains socket. If I am camping I can still charge off 12v overnight. It is bad for a battery to be on charge all the time, they need to be charged and discharged to stay healthy. My brother has a Garmin 660 and the battery only lasts an hour, because every time it is switched on, car or bike, it's on charge, he has never used the battery properly. Even if i did buy a wired mount, I'd wire it though a switch under the seat, so I could allow the battery to drain before supplying power to the mount to charge only when I needed it. On charge on day, on battery the next day, and so on.

If there is an advantage to spending £400 quid on a Zumo 660, other than a larger screen, I don't know what that advantage is, because the TomTom software has all the features you'd expect.

[embee]

I've got a Zumo 550, an invaluable forum is Zumo Forums (http://www.zumoforums.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=80137b496f08479edc9dea1d2c44bb b7&). All the tips, tricks, do's and don'ts, and what goes wrong and how to sort it. I believe the 660 is generally better than the 550 series.

FWIW I find nice features are text-to-speech (tells you names of roads not just "turn left/right" etc), and the 660 has "lane assist" which is useful at complex junctions.

Garmin's programming software "Mapsource" is quite capable but not the most user-friendly. Note that Garmin's "lifetime updates" mean the lifetime of the unit, not the owner, so if you buy a new one you need to buy a new lifetime-update too.

[hongman]

Oh! I think I missed that point!

What is thing battery saving mode you speak of?

Does the tom-tom also mount in the car? Coz I need that too.

[hongman]

The text to speech would be handy if I find a Bluetooth solution for my lid but even in the car
I have it on mute and just look to see what the next turn is.

Will have a real decent thrash out between the 2'tomorrow, in bed on the phone now!

[embee]

I find on the bike I rely almost totally on the verbal instruction, too distracting to look at the screen much. Mind you it can be quite an advantage on really twisty roads you don't know, you can get a clue as to what the road is going to do (I'm thinking mountain roads, Alps etc).

I use hard wired speakers in the helmet, but you do need sensitive drivers to be able to hear it well when using earplugs. I got some Sony DJ headphones off fleabay for a few quid and robbed the speakers.

Sound quality is much better with in-ear buds, but I haven't got on with cheap and cheerful ear-buds, can't do with the wires and them falling out. Custom ear-plugs with built-in speakers would be the perfect solution (but not cheap).

[-Ralph-]

Oh! I think I missed that point!

What is thing battery saving mode you speak of?

Does the tom-tom also mount in the car? Coz I need that too.

It only comes with a RAM mount, a 240v USB charger, and a USB cable... will fit in a universal sat nav holder in the car, and charge off a universal 12v USB adaptor, both a fiver on fleabay

You missed this too ^^^^^^^^^^

To mount in my wifes car (I have built in sat nav in my car)

She uses one of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dual-USB-Car-Charger-12v-Cigarette-Lighter-Socket-/220772682148 with the supplied USB cable

And one of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RAM-MOUNT-Suction-Cup-Twist-Lock-Base-1-Ball-/370505083743

Battery saving mode switches off the screen when it is not giving you directions. It's a bit like sleep mode on a laptop. You just touch the screen when you want to look at it again, and it comes on instantly, for instance to see how far the next junction is, then 2 miles or so before your next change of direction, it flicks on again and stays on until you are past the junction and it's given you the next set of directions.

The model above the one I bought, typically 50 quid more comes with a Scala bluetooth headset, but I just use my smartphone with earplugs, but only if I have music on too, if no music I don't bother with headphones and just look at the screen as I pass a junction to see what I need to do at the next one, and look again as a reminder when I approach it. I don't particularly like a sat nav jibber jabbering away in my helmet, I only need told once.

[hongman]

Sorry Ralph, apparently I was half blind last night. Reading on the iPhone in bed is my excuse!

To sum it up:

- Both are able to plan custom routes via TYRE software (although some conversion needed for Garmin)
- Garmin must be hard wired to the bike
- TT cannot be charged on the move but has superior battery life
- Both have Bluetooth if required
- Garmin has the bigger screen
- TT is much cheaper...

Maybe a fairer comparison would be the zumo 220?

[-Ralph-]

Both are able to plan custom routes via TYRE software although some conversion needed for Garmin

Maybe a fairer comparison would be the zumo 220?

Not conversion as such, think of it like saving a Word 2003 file from Word 2007. Garmin uses a generic GPS waypoint file format called GPX. You may even be able to set TYRE to use that as your default format if you want.

I ruled the Zumo 220 out because it doesn't do 7 digit postcode search.

[hongman]

Nice one re: 220 + post code.

Looking on the manufacturer websites, the 660 has loads more features, and I just like the look of it more (screen)...but...cost...

Going to dither about it some more.

[hongman]

http://www.epinions.com/review/Garmin_zumo_660_GPS_Receiver/content_484283158148

What do you make of this?

[embee]

Interesting read, obviously the author was firmly decided.

When choosing my Zumo 550 the price was the only real stumbling block, and it would be the same issue today with the 660. There's no escaping the fact that they are very expensive however you try to justify it, and they are not perfect by any means, but as a product they seem to be fairly decent and up till now Garmin customer service has generally been good/excellent according to reports. I had a cradle replaced due to an infamous rubber flap cracking and noisy audio contacts, it was no quibble, phone call to the UK (Southampton??) customer centre and it was done.

If you can live with having spent that much on a satnav, I'm sure you would find it ticks most boxes. I suspect I probably would bite the bullet again as/when the 550 dies.

One tip, many people fit a std accessory plug (ciggy lighter type) to the cable and fit a socket on the bike. I have mine switched but wired (fused) to the battery so I can fire it up without the ignition on. However, don't leave the cradle powered permanently while the unit is not in it, a lot of circuit board faults have resulted from moisture getting in and corrosion resulting from the tracks being powered.

[rictus01]

Nice but as said expensive bit of kit, the one issue I have with the garmin is they sometimes have a "creative" take on route planing which makes it interesting at times, but otherwise i've found them easy to use, I can't justify the expense and have a cheaper Navman and waterproof holder option doing much the same job.

Cheers Mark

[hongman]

Interesting read, obviously the author was firmly decided.

When choosing my Zumo 550 the price was the only real stumbling block, and it would be the same issue today with the 660. There's no escaping the fact that they are very expensive however you try to justify it, and they are not perfect by any means, but as a product they seem to be fairly decent and up till now Garmin customer service has generally been good/excellent according to reports. I had a cradle replaced due to an infamous rubber flap cracking and noisy audio contacts, it was no quibble, phone call to the UK (Southampton??) customer centre and it was done.

If you can live with having spent that much on a satnav, I'm sure you would find it ticks most boxes. I suspect I probably would bite the bullet again as/when the 550 dies.

One tip, many people fit a std accessory plug (ciggy lighter type) to the cable and fit a socket on the bike. I have mine switched but wired (fused) to the battery so I can fire it up without the ignition on. However, don't leave the cradle powered permanently while the unit is not in it, a lot of circuit board faults have resulted from moisture getting in and corrosion resulting from the tracks being powered.

Thanks embee.

I'd definately prefer using a ciggy socket!

Nice but as said expensive bit of kit, the one issue I have with the garmin is they sometimes have a "creative" take on route planing which makes it interesting at times, but otherwise i've found them easy to use, I can't justify the expense and have a cheaper Navman and waterproof holder option doing much the same job.

Cheers Mark

Which Navman do you use mark, just to add another into the mix?

[rictus01]

details of holder an pics posted previously here (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2356905&postcount=4).

Cheers Mark

[-Ralph-]

http://www.epinions.com/review/Garmin_zumo_660_GPS_Receiver/content_484283158148

What do you make of this?

Interesting read, obviously the author was firmly decided

+1 he was firmly decided before he even picked up a TomTom I think! Maybe a TomTom caused him to crash in a previous life ;)

He is right about the power switch and the bulky size, I can carry it in my pocket, but only just and I wear a textile touring jacket.

As for the rest of it I can't comment, as he only reviews TomTom rider v1 and 2, and mine is a v3.

[-Ralph-]

I'd definately prefer using a ciggy socket!

You can wire the leads from any of these mounts to a ciggy socket plug if you really must use your ciggy socket. Like Embee says though, wiring to your battery and using a switch to control power feed to the mount, achieves exactly the same end result, and leaves your ciggy socket free for other things such as your mobile phone.

[hongman]

If only the TT had a widescreen version, that would decide for me.

I expect this next Sat nav to last me at least as long as my last one, so do I go for the more expensive zumo with a bigger screen to enjoy for the next 6+ years or...

Hmm decisions decisions.

[Specialone]

+1 for TYRE, recently started using it and it's excellent, I'm on a TT 710 btw.

[Bluepete]

What about a TT One from ebay, plus a RAM mount for the bike. You could then use your cig power cable in the car and on the bike.

It's cheap and easy to use, and "good enough". It's what I use for bike, car and work. (And it can keep up)

New isn't necessarily best!

[hongman]

Im gong to stop off a Halfrauds on the way home and have a touch and feel of the satnav's in question, then decide from there.

[hongman]

TT One is what I have at the moment (albeit a bit flaky from years of abuse).

Just want something different, as I've had the TT One all my driving life, fancy a change.

[embee]

You can wire the leads from any of these mounts to a ciggy socket plug if you really must use your ciggy socket. Like Embee says though, wiring to your battery and using a switch to control power feed to the mount, achieves exactly the same end result, and leaves your ciggy socket free for other things such as your mobile phone.

Sorry, I didn't word it well. Mine does use the ciggy plug/socket (a marine spec socket on the dashboard) but it's not wired via the ignition as most people have it, so I can power up or use a tyre pump, recharge phone etc without the ignition on. I never leave the mount on the bike, some scrote would rip it apart to find the satnav or just have the mount away (not cheap items), the ciggy plug means it just unplugs and off. Just decide how you want to use it and wire accordingly.

[Specialone]

What about a TT One from ebay, plus a RAM mount for the bike. You could then use your cig power cable in the car and on the bike.

It's cheap and easy to use, and "good enough". It's what I use for bike, car and work. (And it can keep up)

New isn't necessarily best!

That's what I got more or less, £90 for a factory refurb car 710 and it's been brilliant, Bluetooth, music, handsfree etc.

[-Ralph-]

I used to use a car sat nav, but I found it only ever rained just when I really needed the sat nav. Found myself standing at the side of the road in the rain with a map. Unless you have somewhere deep in your fairing you can mount it that stays dry (probably nowhere if your passing trucks on a motorway) a bike specific sat nav is handy. It was a godsend for me a few weeks ago leading a full day rideout in the p!ssing rain in Ireland.

Embee, understood, I have my 12v sockets direct to the battery too. Like you I want to be able it use things without leaving the ignition on. I have a 12v extension lead which I run from the bike into my tent when camping, and I blow up airbeds and charge stuff off it.

[skeetly]

I have a Zumo 660.
It has survived thousands of miles in all weathers including torrential rain and temperatures you cant get your freezer down to.
Some people have had trouble with the contacts on the bike mount but mine has been fine. I smeared the contacts with silicon grease (same stuff you ( should) have in your front spark plug hole ;) )
Mines hard wired to the battery via the supplied fuse. I doubt the drain from a sat nav will ever flatten your battery and the things too expensive to leave on there in any event.
I hardly ever bother with the audio and just have it mounted high enough so that I can see it easily.
I had to buy a few more Ram bits to get it to the right position.
On the XT (no fairing) it got pounded with rain, sleet, salt, you name it for hundreds of miles and it was absolutely fine.

[hongman]

Wellllllll

All things considered, I just bought the TomTom Urban Rider UK.

I really wanted the Garmin, and I have no doubt it's excellent, but for the differences I just couldn't justify an extra £200 (1" extra and a few features which I'm not too bothered about)

I hope I made the right choice, was truly difficult. I couldnt even see any of them in the flesh, nowhere round here stocked them.

Ahh can't wait to start planning some fun routes to my usual destinations :)

[_Stretchie_]

Good on you, was just replying to this but too late.

[hongman]

Cheers Stretchie!

Hopefully this shall lead me to GM without any hiccups.

[-Ralph-]

Make sure you plug it in, it will switch on, switch it off again and leave it charging it overnight for the first charge. That first charge of the battery is critical, don't be tempted to start messing with it until the next day.

[hongman]

That'd gonna be tough :D

[hongman]

Well, it just turned up!

First impression is how big and bulky it is (in a good way though, as in tough looking) - the photo's dont give it justice really.

I set the main options like language and pref's, turned it off, and now leaving it to charge.

Can't wait!

[-Ralph-]

Can't wait!

I kept my fiddling fingers away by fitting the RAM mount to the bike.

[hongman]

Also discovered that TT Rider will not issue voice prompts unless you have bluetooth headset connected.

Doesnt really affect me as even in the car I only use visual but thought I'd mention it just in case anyone else reads this. There isnt a speaker built in by the looks of it (in fact the only port is the usb) so that'd be why.

[-Ralph-]

Also discovered that TT Rider will not issue voice prompts unless you have bluetooth headset connected.

Doesnt really affect me as even in the car I only use visual but thought I'd mention it just in case anyone else reads this. There isnt a speaker built in by the looks of it (in fact the only port is the usb) so that'd be why.

Wifey has one of these Jabra sun visor clip on bluetooth hands free speakers, it's paired with that, and her phone paired with the TomTom. You could do the same with whatever you use for bluetooth hands free in the car.

In my car I have one of these built in devices, which does everything, sat nav, phone, bluetooth audio, mp3, ipod, TMC traffic, you name it, so I don't use the TT in the car at all.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd82/colinbal4/229174_1974330431492_1040001972_32315085_7576514_n .jpg

[hongman]

Ah, I'm really not fussed about bluetooth to be honest, esp in the car.

On the bike, I find it uncomfortable enough round the ears with ear plugs, let alone with ear phones, and I'm not fussed enough to buy a bluetooth headset that sits in the ear recess behind the padding.

Visual will do just fine for me!

Just messing about with TYRE, tis awesome. Now if only it would stop raining...

[hongman]

WELL

I just went out to fit the mount and it became very obvious that this will not work with clipons :(

Guess I need to buy the telf mount.

[-Ralph-]

Why? It bolts onto your brake or clutch lever, depending on if your left or right handed. Telf mount on the fuel tank nut is easier to use and see, but then you use a big tank bag you might not be able to see the sat nav. Adjust it inwards and forwards so it doesn't foul your fairing at full lock.

http://www.ram-mount.com/tomtom/index_files/ramb174to2b.gif

[hongman]

The lever? I dont see how...

That pic shows it on the bar next to the switchgear. There is no space on my clipons next to the switchgear.

Or have I got this completely backwards

[hongman]

http://www.ram-mount.com/Portals/0/PartImages/RAM-B-149ZU.jpg

http://www.ram-mount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/082065077045066045049052057090085/Default.aspx

[hongman]

Maybe I just need to move the switchgear along a bit. I ordered a telf mount anyway :)

What size is the steering stem nut? Not sure if I have anything big enough, hmm.

[Bluepete]

You can get a ball on a single hole mount that you can use instead of the bar grip.

Pete ;)

http://www.ram-mount.co.uk/mirror-mount-9mm-hole-with-1-ball-p-1016-c-281.html

[hongman]

Sorry pete, being slow today.

What do you mean by single hole mount?

[Bluepete]

Click the link.

You can fit it to the switches.

I think, trying to remember a set of clip ons!

Pete ;)

[hongman]

That link wasnt there a min ago!

Thanks Pete. But for the cost of buying one of those, another tenner gets me the telf mount.

Ho hum!

[-Ralph-]

The lever? I dont see how...

That pic shows it on the bar next to the switchgear. There is no space on my clipons next to the switchgear.

Or have I got this completely backwards

Oh FFS!

This photo required


A trip through the rain to the garage
Move my car away from the garage door to get in
Realise I wasn't going to get a decent photo with the steering lock on
Back through the rain to the house to get the bike keys
Back to the garage, steering lock off, take the photo
Lock garage and put the car back
Find the bloody USB cable for the camera
Upload to photobucket!


SO I HOPE YOU'RE BLOODY GRATEFUL!! ;)

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The bolts that come with the RAM mount, replace the bolts that hold your clutch lever to the bar, you bolt it to your clutch lever, not to the bars. You don't use the supplied U-bolt. I'm sure it says this in the instructions with the RAM mount.

[hongman]

LOL

I'll check it again tomorrow after work, but it seems like I owe you a few beers :D

You're a good man, sweet dreams!

[hongman]

HEY RALPH!

I think I got it! Do you mean like this??

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[hongman]

In all seriousness, I still don't get what you mean. As you can see from the pics below there just isnt enough space - not that it really matters now anyway.

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After being told they were 2 busy by 2 different bike shops today to just take the stem nut off for me I went to Halfords and bought my own 30mm socket. Took a f*cking great effort to undo, and then I realised I couln't use the socket to do it back up becuase of the protuding RAM ball.

Got a beefy neighbour to do it up as tight as possible with an adjustable, and hope for the best!

Had a short blast down some bumpy twisty's and it seemed ok...will be bringing the adjustable with me though to the GM just in case...

[-Ralph-]

Looks like a curvy has different levers to most modern bikes, but if you loosened the levers on yours and moved them, there's plenty of room to use the U bolt. Anyway, you've bought a telf mount, so problem solved.

[hongman]

Na, I thought I could move them too but if you look closely the perch at the back covers the back of the 'bar. Same story the other side, cables coming out the throttle housing block it.

I appreciate the effort you went to though, rather glad I wasn't missing something increibly stupid!

No idea how to tighten the stem nut properly though with the telf mount. One would need a really deep socket for that...

[Dicky Ticker]

Offset ring spanner

[hongman]

Ay but how can I torque it up proper?

[Dicky Ticker]

Contact YC he doesn't need torque settings:)


Alternatively I think you will find that the centre of the fitting unscrews.

[-Ralph-]

It's a clutch lever, not something that'll be life threatening if it comes loose, tightening by hand would be fine.

[hongman]

Eh? Im talking about the stem nut?

[-Ralph-]

Eh? Im talking about the stem nut?

OK, thought we were still talking about moving the lever.