Twins, a little use of your brain power please!

[DJ123]

To keep a long story short and no names mentioned, here it goes:

I have a case with the CSA. On the last payment i made it was done privately. I kept all proof of payment and the relevant material of contact (e mails, text messages etc) to prove the money was paid in as child maintenance. The CSa were informed of this payment and the receiver of the CM has denied knowledge of this money being deposited as such. The material i have clearly defines that the conversation is about CM, the amount, which account to pay it in and what it will be spent on. I have no worries about the CSA not turning over the apparant arrears, as the evidence is over whelming to say the least.

The CSA have apparantly given me a 1st warning over non payment and are seeking to install a DOE (deductions of earnings order). Upon my evidence reaching them i know that this will be withdrawn due to the evidence i am sending, and i have a DD set up to them for the monthly amounts due.

Upon the 'receivers' word, they are willing to jump on the bandwagon and go for the throat claiming i have not paid, prior to receiving evidence to support the contrary. I have spoke to the CSA and stated i have this evidence and will be sending it off to them. I questioned them about the 'receivers' behaviour and the fraud she was attempting to commit. I was told, they will not be taking action if they find that i am telling the truth the the money was received as CM.

I am very annoyed that they can take such a one sided action upon one persons word, and it can only be opposed by someone supplying contrary evidence to prove their innocence. I want action to be taken on the 'receiver' committing an illegal offence (the CSA are a government body and it is an offence to lie/supply false details to them knowingly) and fraud.
How can i get anything done about this??????

TIA

Please only post something that is constructive that maybe helpful, rather than commenting on the case itself.

[MisterTommyH]

PM on it's way.

[Bri w]

Things haven't changed in the last 20 years. Been there, got the T-shirt.

If your payments normally go via the CSA I recommend that is the only method you use unless there is a dire emergency involving the welfare of the children.

And, again through experience, as much as you'd like 'revenge,' further confrontation will only lead to more problems as you and your ex attempt to gain the upperhand in a battle neither of you will gain anything substantial from other than more heartache.

Prove your case, then let it go it's not worth it.

[DJ123]

Tommy H replied
Bri, i agree with what your saying. However i do not feel for one minute that we are treated on the same level. 'She' is being treated as a holier than thou, and myself being treated as a beggar trying to avoid payments (even though i went to them). I want for an equal playing level, for me its a DOE if i screw them around, for her its simply ignored. In my book thats not on, there needs to be some action taken to preventing her doing this again.
I wouldn't get revenge via the CSA, there are many other ways of doing this. If she was worth the hassle to start with.
Ps, after how long do i get a shirt from them??? :mrgreen:

[EssexDave]

PMed

[fenjer]

The only thing I would say, is always send copies of documents/emails etc. Or if you send originals keep a copy for your own records and send it recorded delivery (I'm sure you'd have done this anyway.) It's amazing how much stuff gets "lost" or "misplaced" in those places.

On a flip side the CSA are just as awkward to some single mums, I had to fight long and hard to STOP them taking money that I didnt want from my ex. (In his mind paying money = right to access and that wasn't the best thing for me or my child.) SO they can be just as dogged in the opposite direction.

[Jayneflakes]

The CSA (Criminal Standards Agency) are morally corrupt and dealing with them leaves a filthy taste in your mouth. My partner has had dealings with them that frankly treated her like a criminal while her ex languishes in the moral high ground of the hetro parent.

We had to go through the sensitive case team and that is a name that hardly fits them. Your best bet in my view is send copies of everything, via recorded post and hope that they get it first time. There is no winning with the CSA, but the ones that lose out most are the children when the parents get litigious.

I feel your pain, but doubt in all seriousness that there is anything you can actually do that will have the consequence you desire.

[Quedos]

CS1 or CS2 system player? - I know CS1 inside out as one of those frontline bitches who actually press the button on the poor unsuspecting souls CS2 should be straight forward.
Also depends alot on what business unit you are. the difference in service between them is appalling.

Jayne - we ain't all that bad honest. I would love most people to take a week in our shoes and see how long you last - It ain't a nice job being frontline cos you invariably you can't please either side

[Quedos]

Having read through it - the guidelines on this is clear as the day is long - your cintract is with the CSA to pay maintenance any deviance from this will result of non payment. its the way the system is designed NOT the person operating it. Its the same as any contract will flag up deviance from agreed payment schedule.
To be honest I wouldn't give her any money direct as its very hard to prove and a very lengthy process to sort out if it all goes wrong. Really the only time you should be paying direct is if the computer reflects this and this is a change that can really only take place if the parent with child says so.
So in short keep paying the CSA regardless.

[DJ123]

Having read through it - the guidelines on this is clear as the day is long - your cintract is with the CSA to pay maintenance any deviance from this will result of non payment. its the way the system is designed NOT the person operating it. Its the same as any contract will flag up deviance from agreed payment schedule.
To be honest I wouldn't give her any money direct as its very hard to prove and a very lengthy process to sort out if it all goes wrong. Really the only time you should be paying direct is if the computer reflects this and this is a change that can really only take place if the parent with child says so.
So in short keep paying the CSA regardless.
Sorry i thought i had written it in my story, the CSA were notified of my private payment the very next day. Never heard anything from them after this point.

My question is: can i use the CSA statement showing her denying receiving the money as CM, vs my evidence of proving it was requested as CM and received as such (i'm 100% certain it will be turned over. the communication i have and the detail of it is spot on proving she is lying), In a case of fraud/deception against the PWC?