RIP

[Bluepete]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/boltonnews/9260173.Biker_dies_in_crash_on_busy_motorway/

Pete :(

[fenjer]

RIP... thoughts go out to family and friends.

[Stenno]

Is this an Org'er?

[Tom_the_great]

RIP... thoughts go out to family and friends.

+1

[timwilky]

I was a never a fan of the M61 in the Swinton area. It is badly thought out with far too much lane swapping as you get the m61 merging with the a666, it is **** about tit. I just hope it wasn't the usual mumpties trying to swap across 4 lanes that caused this.

RIP

[Ed]

I'm suspecting that Pete knows more but can't say.

Poor sod. Not that ever there's a good place - but on a motorway - ugh:(:(:(:(

[Bluepete]

I think it was at the bend where the M61 joins the A580 at Wardley industrial estate.

[hindle8907]

RIP :(

thoughts with family and friends.

[Specialone]

RIP dude :(

Be interesting to read the details when they come out and find out if she caused it.

[timwilky]

I think it was at the bend where the M61 joins the A580 at Wardley industrial estate.

Difficult to imagine a scenario where the environment may have influenced things there. Apart from the again stupid design where a motorway is merging with an A road. and then the onward reduction on that bend in lanes as the motorway then merges with the east lancs. It is as if the planners decided the A roads in the area should be the priority roads.

[Owenski]

Poor bloke, no one should die on the way to work.
Not a nice thing to deal with I imagine pete.
My symathies to all effected.

[kellyjo]

Always sad to hear news like this.

[Red Herring]

A sad story but it's interesting the paper reports the ambulance service as saying the cause of death was "cardiac arrest", and then that the police have arrested the driver on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. It may seem a petty point but unless the crash bought on the heart attack, and I'd suggest it might be a bit early to tell that at the scene, then the officers may have jumped a bit to soon.... Still, experience tells me there is usually a whole lot more to this than the papers ever tell.

[scooby]

R.I.P

sympathies with the family

Take care Pete... Thoughts with you and other emergency service attendants..

[andrewsmith]

RIP

[maviczap]

A sad story but it's interesting the paper reports the ambulance service as saying the cause of death was "cardiac arrest", and then that the police have arrested the driver on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. It may seem a petty point but unless the crash bought on the heart attack, and I'd suggest it might be a bit early to tell that at the scene, then the officers may have jumped a bit to soon.... Still, experience tells me there is usually a whole lot more to this than the papers ever tell.

In my first responder training I seem to recall that as a result of a massive trauma a cardiac arrest can happen sometimes and its frequently part of our scenarios that our patient goes into cardiac arrest and we have to deploy the old defib.

RIP whoever you are

[littleoldman2]

In my first responder training I seem to recall that as a result of a massive trauma a cardiac arrest can happen sometimes and its frequently part of our scenarios that our patient goes into cardiac arrest and we have to deploy the old defib.

RIP whoever you are

I suffer from angina and in my case its nearly always started by stress or anger (+ eating and drinking to much). We don't know the circumstances or other injuries that may have bought on the arrest. RIP

[beanie79]

I rode past this accident not long after it had happened, a witness/ fellow traveller was doing compressions on him. That image will stay with me forever. Talk about a stark reminder of how fragile and vulnerable we are.

R.I.P Fella, I hope you find the roads that make you happy.

In regard to the cause of death being cardiac arrest that's the dumbest most banal reason ever, of course he died from cardiac arrest, we all will, and do, that's what happens when your heart stops beating, you die.

[thulfi]

RIP. Poor biker.

For what its worth, cardiac arrest is simply abnormal blood circulation as a result of the heart not contracting well enough. More than a third of all cardiac arrests are not due to underlying heart disease, ie trauma, drowing, overdose, etc.

[Red Herring]

In regard to the cause of death being cardiac arrest that's the dumbest most banal reason ever, of course he died from cardiac arrest, we all will, and do, that's what happens when your heart stops beating, you die.

My point is that it is quite rare for the ambulance crew to give an indication as to cause of death, or if they do it is normally "severe trauma", which is a polite way of saying they were smashed to pieces. For them to have offered "cardiac arrest" it is likely to be an indication that there was no, or very little, signs of trauma on the body and as an investigating officer it would be a clear steer to me that I should be asking which came first, the crash or the heart condition.

[littleoldman2]

My point is that it is quite rare for the ambulance crew to give an indication as to cause of death, or if they do it is normally "severe trauma", which is a polite way of saying they were smashed to pieces. For them to have offered "cardiac arrest" it is likely to be an indication that there was no, or very little, signs of trauma on the body and as an investigating officer it would be a clear steer to me that I should be asking which came first, the crash or the heart condition.

Sounds like common sense.

[ThEGr33k]

RIP!

As said, which came first the Heart issue or the crash. Odd one. Still very sad to hear of it!

[thulfi]

I think there is some confusion going on here. A cardiac arrest is when an arrythmia causes the heart to stop beating. (Arrythmia = a disturbance in the hearts electrical function that is responsible for controlling the heartbeats rythm). A heart attack is when the heart continues to beat but blood supply is limited to the cardiac tissue, hence depriving it of oxygen.

Cardiac arrest can be caused by anything that causes an arrythmia, which include drugs, electrocution, drowning....and trauma!!

So if the paramedic wrote cardiac arrest as cause of death, you can bet your bottom dollar it would be due to trauma. To say the victim had underlying heart disease is an assumption.