Logic Vs Free thinking

[dizzyblonde]

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic”


Fyodor Dostoyevsky



Discuss.....................

[Dicky Ticker]

Lies--dam lies and statistics
Logic example if only 10% of accidents are caused by drunk drivers you are therfore less likely to have an accident if drunk :smt115

[Balky001]

I think that describes human nature and faith quite well. Of course, that's only if 'the truth' exists at all in a single version

[Dicky Ticker]

As in both sides of the story and the truth?

[Balky001]

As in both sides of the story and the truth?

However truth is perceived.

Dizzy, top work. I've actually been able to use this quote this afternoon to summarise a control function in my firm. Fabulous!

[dizzyblonde]

hey, who says blondes are dumb ;)

Glad to be of service, although, not many people discussing it here eh!

[Balky001]

it's more an evening (couple of JDs) topic ;)

[Sid Squid]

I don't agree.

The principle is correct, but the suggestion that a given logic, (even if distorted), is preferred, is wrong.

It would be more correct to say that humans often ignore quite plain and readily deductible evidence in order to satisfy a given prejudice. Which is not to say prejudice in any discrediting manner, but that we all have a presumed way of thinking about the things that we know and will apply that natively.

Example:

Something not readily explicable occurs, the religious person ascribes this to God, the spiritualist sees ghosts at work, the scientist says there's not enough data to make a judgement.

This is evidence solely of the manner in which people see the world around them, and thus make judgements using the language or cultural mores with which they are familiar.

And War and Peace is waaaayyy too long, the story is good, but it could really do with some editing.

[Bri w]

Why can't logical thought be free thinking, and vice versa?

[mister c]

What does predilection mean? lol

[Geodude]

A *ahem* friend of mine doesn't know or understand what the question/statement means dizz, does that mean he's thick?

[DJFridge]

A *ahem* friend of mine doesn't know or understand what the question/statement means dizz, does that mean he's thick?

Geodude, thank you, I mean, thank your "friend" - I thought I understood it for a minute there but then I re-read it and I'm feeling thick now too!

[thulfi]

Why can't logical thought be free thinking, and vice versa?

+1.

How else did scientists discover and invent stuff...free thinking + logic.

[beabert]

+1.

How else did scientists discover and invent stuff...free thinking + logic.

:D spot on.

[Geodude]

Geodude, thank you, I mean, thank your "friend" - I thought I understood it for a minute there but then I re-read it and I'm feeling thick now too!

Heh heh glad its not just me then oh sorry i mean my friend of course ;)

[dizzyblonde]

+1.

How else did scientists discover and invent stuff...free thinking + logic.


hmmm but if Scientists discovered stuff

Was it the blinkered scientist that discovered the world was round, or was it the free thinking traveller who decided to find out?

[Geodude]

You should be professor blonde cos you aint that dizzy ;)

[thulfi]

or was it the free thinking traveller who decided to find out?

If it was, he still would have used logic to come to his conclusion.

[dizzyblonde]

If it was, he still would have used logic to come to his conclusion.


Which was what?

Logic has perameters........free thinking goes beyond.

[thulfi]

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but this is the way I see it:

1. Free thought - What if the world isn't flat, what if its x or y or z shape.
Travels, doesn't fall off the edge of earth
2. Logic - the world therefore can't be flat.

Crude example, but I don't see how free thought and logic are mutually exclusive?

[Balky001]

Dizzyevsky, your title has had more opinions than the quote! Poor old Dostoyevsky