View Full Version : White versus Red Poppies
missyburd
08-11-11, 09:43 AM
In light of this being Remembrance week...
Do you have a preference, or do you wear both together?
White poppies, having been around since the 1930s still cause controversy even now. If you choose to wear one, it is as a symbol of your own beliefs, a symbol for peace. More info here (http://www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/white_faq.html#_1).
In truth, they grew together as they grow together in the ground and white and red poppies are different slants on the same desire to honour the fallen.Anyone have any experience of these poppies, do they make you angry or supportive. Please discuss.
Red.
For the respect of the sacrifice those who have given the ultimate price to protect my way of life and keep my family safe .
rictus01
08-11-11, 10:11 AM
Red.
For the respect of the sacrifice those who have given the ultimate price to protect my way of life and keep my family safe .
+1
and for friends lost.
Cheers Mark.
hardhat_harry
08-11-11, 10:28 AM
Tbh if you want to wear a different symbol go and find another day to do it, have a peace day another day this is about rememberance
husky03
08-11-11, 10:37 AM
one colour and its red - imoa anything else is a slight against those who fought and died for what so many take for granted. If people want to wear another colour as harry said go find another day for it-those that burn them and protest about them need to be taken down a back alley.
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 10:39 AM
I will stick to red. Red is the colour we all recognise as a symbol of remembrance and so it allows me to feel I am showing that respect in a dignified way. To wear a white poppy is, imo an exercise in courting controversy. Yes, there are reasons for wearing a white poppy...but i would rather make my act of remembrance about the fallen...not about my personal opinion.
I'm pretty sure a large number of people are against wars, particularly some of the recent episodes that have been particularly questionble morally. It would be easy to argue that a lot of our recent wars have not been to protect 'our freedoms' or our way of life. For this reason, I can understand why people object to wearing red poppies, and would like to find an alternate that would stand along side the beliefs of conscientious objectors in years gone by.
hardhat_harry
08-11-11, 10:49 AM
But its not about the wars, soldiers dont choose to go to war goverments do.
Its about rememberance of the sacrifice
Would it be acceptable to wear both of them? Remember and respect the fallen but show that you'd prefer peace and that no more would fall?
Genuine question that I've wondered about before
husky03
08-11-11, 10:55 AM
But its not about the wars, soldiers dont choose to go to war goverments do.
Its about rememberance of the sacrifice
exactly-thats what they fail to see and understand-its about remembering those who died in every war and conflict.
But its not about the wars, soldiers dont choose to go to war goverments do.
Its about rememberance of the sacrifice
Soldiers choose to join the armed forces knowing (particularly over the last 20 years or so) that they will likely have to serve in armed conflict. There is a large part of me that would have loved to have served in the armed forces - I chose not to because I don't agree with war.
Would it be acceptable to wear both of them? Remember and respect the fallen but show that you'd prefer peace and that no more would fall?
Genuine question that I've wondered about before
Good question - I don't see why not. However, I'm sure you would face some criticism from the wearers of red tinted specticles. It seems that most people see this issue as very black (red) or white, with no middle ground. This is unfortunate, as our government certainly relies on this large proportion of society in order for them to keep going to war with relatively few objectors.
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 11:04 AM
I'm pretty sure a large number of people are against wars, particularly some of the recent episodes that have been particularly questionble morally. It would be easy to argue that a lot of our recent wars have not been to protect 'our freedoms' or our way of life. For this reason, I can understand why people object to wearing red poppies, and would like to find an alternate that would stand along side the beliefs of conscientious objectors in years gone by.
But it is remembrance. By it's very definition it is to remember those that have already fallen. Not to pass judgement on the decisions of government that lead to those deaths.
Any efforts to make opinions known outside of the parameters of remembrance should be made at another time.
But it is remembrance. By it's very definition it is to remember those that have already fallen. Not to pass judgement on the decisions of government that lead to those deaths.
Any efforts to make opinions known outside of the parameters of remembrance should be made at another time.
In a free society people should be allowed the freedom to choose when they voice or display their opinions. Afterall, it is perpetually stated that these deaths were to protect our freedoms / way of life.
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 11:13 AM
Soldiers choose to join the armed forces knowing (particularly over the last 20 years or so) that they will likely have to serve in armed conflict. There is a large part of me that would have loved to have served in the armed forces - I chose not to because I don't agree with war.
They do now...they didn't in the world wars. Personally, I want to pay my respects to any person that makes that sacrifice for the sake of others.
Good question - I don't see why not. However, I'm sure you would face some criticism from the wearers of red tinted specticles. It seems that most people see this issue as very black (red) or white, with no middle ground. This is unfortunate, as our government certainly relies on this large proportion of society in order for them to keep going to war with relatively few objectors.
Not rose tinted glasses. Just a desire to pay respects. Some people will blindly follow like sheep. Some prefer to pay respects quietly, some obviously. Some like to make it more about themselves and won't go with the majority just for the sake of it. As said in my original post...there are reasons for white poppys. I just think that is something that should be kept separate from the message of remembrance.
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 11:15 AM
In a free society people should be allowed the freedom to choose when they voice or display their opinions. Afterall, it is perpetually stated that these deaths were to protect our freedoms / way of life.
True...but i am talking only of my own thoughts...I cannot speak for anyone else.
I just wish it could be one day for remembrance and another day for anything else.
I am just giving my thoughts as you are yours :-)
Owenski
08-11-11, 11:18 AM
never heard of or seen a white poppy.
missyburd
08-11-11, 11:19 AM
Hmm I think some of you have been quick to judge as I thought you might. Straight away it is obvious that you feel the white poppy is a direct symbol of opposition to any form of war, and although it does symbolise a lack of support for war and violence, it does not mean that the folk who choose to wear them feel anything less for all those men and women who have lost their lives or contributed to war.
Would it be acceptable to wear both of them? Remember and respect the fallen but show that you'd prefer peace and that no more would fall?
Genuine question that I've wondered about before
Many folk do wear both Messie, which is why I asked if any of you did in the OP. They are mostly wishing to convey the message that they support our soldiers and those who have given up their lives to the war effort but at the same time they wish for peace and an end to the violence.
Surely you are choosing to wear a poppy of either colour because of your own beliefs, because of what you feel about war and its effect on millions, not just following the crowd because it's fashionable. To me it is a sad fact that people are so quick to assume that to wear a white poppy automatically puts you in the hippy, peaceloving, bra burning, chain-to-the-railings sort when really you might just like both poppies for the same underlying reasons.
missyburd
08-11-11, 11:21 AM
Here ya go Matt
http://georgemckay.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/white-poppy-close-up1.jpg
hardhat_harry
08-11-11, 11:28 AM
First time I have seen one and it does look like a hippy, bra burning, chain-to-the-railings sort of symbol.
If they were supporting the troops they wouldn't be diluting the intended message of the day (which is not about war) with their own message.
husky03
08-11-11, 11:28 AM
quick to judge?-i'd rather say solid in the belief that wearing a red poppy is the way to pay respect to the fallen-its nothing to do with politics more about human beings making the ultimate sacrifice and remembering why.
To bring politics into it speaks volumes imoa
Of course you can wear what you like.
But you can wear a pink toto & a clown mask to someones funeral rather than black.
It's how the individual wishes to show there respect.
missyburd
08-11-11, 11:33 AM
quick to judge?-i'd rather say solid in the belief that wearing a red poppy is the way to pay respect to the fallen-its nothing to do with politics more about human beings making the ultimate sacrifice and remembering why.
To bring politics into it speaks volumes imoa
Imoa?
I'm not disagreeing with that in any way shape or form. The red poppy will always be a mark of respect, but because someone wears a white poppy it should not be any less respectful, just another take on it.
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 11:35 AM
That's precisely my point Maria. Remembrance day to me is only about remembering the fallen. I am not a bra burning hippy type and I do support white poppys. I just choose to wear only red for remembrance.
To me...a white poppy and the message it sends would be better served by being worn at a time that is for reflection on war and a desire for peace...not at a time when we only want to remember those that have lost their lives.
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 11:37 AM
I think that is where I am with this...two different colours for two different messages...why not two different times for reflection? W
missyburd
08-11-11, 11:38 AM
A very fair point GG. I thought this thread would make for some very interesting points, and I was only introduced to the white poppy this year. I have always worn red and I am indecisive as to wear white. I know it is somewhat of a taboo subject and no doubt one that some folk will feel about very strongly but hey, discussion threads are all about strong opinions so fire away :)
missyburd
08-11-11, 11:39 AM
I think that is where I am with this...two different colours for two different messages...why not two different times for reflection? W
Indeed, like this one http://www.peaceoneday.org/en/welcome
hardhat_harry
08-11-11, 11:39 AM
No, white poppy is less respectful, you are making a political statement on a day that should be devoid of politics.
Also the white poppy is more of a symbol that you like opium or opium derived products, thats were they get it from, with the words peace in the middle mmmmmmm......
On this one day can you just think of it as just that.
"We will remember them "
Monday wear the white no problem
To bring politics into it speaks volumes imoa
No, white poppy is less respectful, you are making a political statement on a day that should be devoid of politics.
Devoid of politics? The day is led by David Cameron, with Clegg and Milliband close in tow all the centre of attention. Thats almost like believeing that the X Factor is really about the contestants and not about the judges.
There have been numerous claims in the past by charities and veterans that MPs use the day for political gain.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/11/12/david-cameron-accused-of-exploiting-armistice-day-for-photo-shoot-115875-21815032/
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 11:54 AM
Yes Maria.
The message of the white poppy is a valid and valuable one. Trouble is...many people wear them out of a desire to go against the norm or even in order to be controversial. That is not what they were designed for. Bandwagoners spoil the message.
The link you posted is a good example. Rather than promote the white poppy as a positive message...it blasts the decision that people make to wear red poppys. It makes wild assumptions about the Royal British Legion and is pitting itself against the message of the red poppy rather than promote itself as an independent message. That gets peoples backs up and that is why there are such strong opinions against it. The message is good, the promotion of it not so good.
A bit like PETA...the message is good, but the promotion awful.
hardhat_harry
08-11-11, 12:02 PM
Yes but they shouldn't
Devoid of politics? The day is led by David Cameron, with Clegg and Milliband close in tow all the centre of attention. Thats almost like believeing that the X Factor is really about the contestants and not about the judges.
There have been numerous claims in the past by charities and veterans that MPs use the day for political gain.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/11/12/david-cameron-accused-of-exploiting-armistice-day-for-photo-shoot-115875-21815032/
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 12:19 PM
Any article written by the Mirror about Cameron is going to be heavily biased...lol.
I don't really care about politicians "getting in on the act". What do you expect them to do? Sit at home and ignore it all? If they did that they would all get just as much grief. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't, but the bigger show of disrespect is to not show up, so they show up.
That's the problem with symbols. They mean whatever you want them to mean.
If someone wants to wear a white poppy in genuine remembrance of ALL war dead and a hope for peace, that seems reasonable to me. That doesn't strike me as disrespectful to anyone.
If a smug, sanctimonious, politician has been wearing a red poppy for every photo op for the past fortnight to demonstrate their compassion, and then spends the rest of the year sending ill-equipped soldiers into war zones, that's less than genuine and I don't think their choice of poppy gives them the right to any moral high ground.
Thoughts and deeds mean more than your choice of plastic flower IMO.
I've no idea what's in people's hearts. Red, white, both or none I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and do things my own way.
In terms of burning poppies etc, that's easier for me. I guess it's a freedom of speech issue so I suppose I have to support their right to do it :smt102 (while retaining my right to deliver a boot to the 'nads if I witness it).
Biker Biggles
08-11-11, 12:28 PM
Its worth pointing out that the whole remembrance movement evolved out of the first world war which my grandad fought in and survived to tell me about when I was very young.This was the most pointless and stupid war,one we should never have got into.Lions led by donkeys,and political leadership that makes even todays idiots look competant took us into mass slaughter and economic decline the effects of which we still suffer.All started because some stooge shot an Austrian toff in Yugoslavia.
So its got nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of this war or that.Just the fact that lots of people die when we partake in them and most of those people have little or no say in the matter.
Bluefish
08-11-11, 01:13 PM
never heard of or seen a white poppy.
Same here, the red poppy was chosen for a reason.
I've bought white poppies for years, and alwyas make a good donation to the poppy appeal each year. I want to wear my white one because I don't wan't people to think the wrong thing about me, in that I don't respect those that have given their lives for us in conflict. Then I don't want to wear a red one because i totally hate war of any kind.
I end up wearing neither and keeping my thoughts to myself :(
But its not War that you wear it for .
Only to remember .
You can wear both. Then you can stand up for what you belive in .
tweakedtay
08-11-11, 01:30 PM
Across the pond, only the red poppy is worn. Read John McCrae's 'In Flander's Fields' and you'll see why.
A true Canadian hero.
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 01:33 PM
I've bought white poppies for years, and alwyas make a good donation to the poppy appeal each year. I want to wear my white one because I don't wan't people to think the wrong thing about me, in that I don't respect those that have given their lives for us in conflict. Then I don't want to wear a red one because i totally hate war of any kind.
I end up wearing neither and keeping my thoughts to myself :(
Red for remembrance, white for peace. So wear red this week and white the rest of the year.
That's just it IMO...this week is not about war, so the whole white poppy argument is irrelevant. This week is for remembrance, so red poppy all the way.
That's just it IMO...this week is not about war, so the whole white poppy argument is irrelevant. This week is for remembrance, so red poppy all the way.
Yeah I think people understand that you choose to wear a red poppy. It's almost as if you're trying to cast your views onto others. IMO of course.
DJFridge
08-11-11, 01:59 PM
never heard of or seen a white poppy.
Oh good, I thought it was just me.
I think I agree with gruntygiggles. Red for remembrance of those who have lost their lives in the past and, if so inclined, white for the rest of the year in the hope of a more peaceful future.
Mind you, the irony of the whole poppy thing being originally named after General Hague, one of the most blindly stupid of the aforementioned donkeys that ran the Great War, shouldn't be lost on people. The thought of people like him rotting in hell for eternity is one of my few regrets at not believing in an afterlife.
Any article written by the Mirror about Cameron is going to be heavily biased...lol.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6629601/Gordon-Brown-and-David-Cameron-apologise-over-Remembrance-photo-opportunities.html
lol
missyburd
08-11-11, 02:06 PM
For those of you that have admitted never having heard of the white poppy, thankyou. I had hoped this thread would perhaps raise awareness if anything, and provide a topic for a very healthy discussion, cheers folks!
gruntygiggles
08-11-11, 02:17 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/6629601/Gordon-Brown-and-David-Cameron-apologise-over-Remembrance-photo-opportunities.html
lol
I know....no wonder I don't read papers anymore...lol.
Jayneflakes
08-11-11, 02:48 PM
I have worn both white and red poppies, these days I am a member of the British Legion Riders Branch and raise money for the British Legion. Sadly there are those who will use the Poppy as a way of promoting a political agenda, for example I noticed recently that a group called the EDL had tried to claim that they support the British Legion, which caused a shudder of revulsion in members like myself.
Because of my RBL membership, I choose to wear only a red Poppy, an RBL wrist band and a Pin badge on my bike jacket. I would not in anyway be offended by some one wearing a white poppy, but I am offended if I am approached by some one from the EDL.
I Hope I don’t get shot down in flames…..
IMHO.
Red poppies were for remembrance day on the 11 hour /11 day /11 month.
It started as red poppies, they were the only flowers that grew, (I was told due to the blood of the fallen.)
It was red poppies that were worn on that day since 1919……..
And now were changing to white poppies…next year someone will come along and have pink poppies…Eventually all the colors of the rainbow…
wear whatever color you want on another day.
Don’t get me wrong, but remembrance day should be RED POPPIES.
Imho.
I Hope I don’t get shot down in flames…..
IMHO.
Red poppies were for remembrance day on the 11 hour /11 day /11 month.
It started as red poppies, they were the only flowers that grew, (I was told due to the blood of the fallen.)
It was red poppies that were worn on that day since 1919……..
And now were changing to white poppies…next year someone will come along and have pink poppies…Eventually all the colors of the rainbow…
wear whatever color you want on another day.
Don’t get me wrong, but remembrance day should be RED POPPIES.
Imho.
+ 1.
By all means wear a white poppy but to wear one over the same period as the time of rememberence is IMO downright insulting to the memories of all the fallen.
Geodude
08-11-11, 06:28 PM
Red always for myself. Does the money raised for the sale of the white ones go to the same causes as the red?
I always wear a red poppy (and I was the only one doing so at my graduation last Thursday) in remembrance of those who fought and fell for the freedoms I have now.
However, some of my friends wear a white poppy, and IMO this doesnt mean that they disrespect those who have fallen in the past, only that they feel that their deaths might have been avoidable and that they hope for peaceful resolution rather than conflict.
A lot of those same people openly wear a red poppy out of respect and to stop people being judgemental towards them.
People are complex and actually do have the capacity to respect those who gave their lives, but whom also hope that there would be an end to war.
I see no reason why you cant or shouldnt wear both together if you want to.
missyburd
08-11-11, 07:39 PM
It was red poppies that were worn on that day since 1919……..
And now were changing to white poppies…next year someone will come along and have pink poppies…Eventually all the colors of the rainbow…
wear whatever color you want on another day.
If you read the original post and did your research you would see that white poppies are no recent thing and have been around since 1933. I don't think you have quite grasped the point of the thread.
I would post something about this myself...but I'm a bit scared of MYC...she seems a bit feisty on this particular subject/matter/concern.8-[
missyburd
09-11-11, 12:57 PM
I would post something about this myself...but I'm a bit scared of MYC...she seems a bit feisty on this particular subject/matter/concern.8-[
No please post*, I'm not feisty all the time :p I wanted opinions on a potentially testy subject and I jolly well got them, plenty room for more!
* or else! :smt043
Drew Carey
09-11-11, 01:14 PM
Red only for me......it is a day to remember those that have fallen, people can wear their white poppies the remaining 364 (365 on a leap year) days of the year.
My grandma would be turning in her grave, she was a part of the British Legion from when she was 19 until the day she passed away. She put together hundreds of thousands of poppies all year round for nearly her entire life for one reason.....to remember and thank those who gave everything to their country - on one day only.
I think any statement, whether political, antiwar or pacifistist in nature should not be entwined with that of the red poppy - to simply remember those who dies.
tweakedtay
09-11-11, 01:32 PM
Technically speaking. Red poppies should only be worn for the 2 weeks leading up to Nov. 11.
White poppies can be worn anytime.
I'm from the school of 'there's a time and a place for everything'...now, whilst I appreciate that this in unworkable 100% of the time, I do feel that in cases such as this where people are in a manner of speaking wearing their heart on their sleeve, this is one of those occasions where it is quite reasonable, in this country, to respect the views of those that wish to wear their red poppy and be able to wear them without let or hindrance, without abuse or reprisal and without interference.
Whilst I fully appreciate the good intentions meant by those that wear the white poppy, I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect those wearing white to just hold off for a few days until the period of remembrance is over. I feel certain that those wearing red would not only appreciate the efforts made by the white wearers for observing this short period of abstinence but also already do not waer their mark of remembrance at any other time of the year.
One only has to look at what is already happening by having the presence of other cultures in and around as part of our cosmopolitan society...whilst they may well have their grieviances about such things as periods of remembrance, they seem to be trying to 'spoil' this period of time for the majority by allowing these issues to rise the forefront. They can have their protest - just not now. People can wear their white poppy - just not now.
As previously stated, the red poppy is about remembering those who gave their life during times of conflict. Those lost come from all walks of life, all cultures, creeds, nationalities etc. We should all be able to allow each other this period of grace to allow ourselves to just sit back for a moment and think about those who never came back.
Surely it's all about respect for others isn't it?...and a time and a place.
As an aside, according to wiki, The Haig Fund still administers the monies raised from the sale of poppies (red) but the name has been removed from the centre of the poppy due its obvious connection with the famous Field Marshall. Whilst his actions at the time are now considered by some to have been highly irresponsible (isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?) I believe one should use extreme caution when drawing conclusions about his methods that he applied AT THAT TIME.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haig_Fund
and
http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/
:smt052
If you read the original post and did your research you would see that white poppies are no recent thing and have been around since 1933. I don't think you have quite grasped the point of the thread.
ok so next year someone will come along with a blue poppie.............
in 1919 it was red poppies untill someone said white from 1933, and now it will be changeed to blue from 2012.......
RED poppies full stop...
you want another colour do it another day ..
imo.
Stingo"I'm from the school of 'there's a time and a place for everything'..."
must have gone to the same school.
fizzwheel
09-11-11, 09:54 PM
ok so next year someone will come along with a blue poppie.............
French already have one, its a cornflower not a poppy, but serves a similar purpose.
The blue cornflower (bleuet) was a symbol of commemoration of the wounded before the poppy came into use. It stems from production of blue-coloured cloth by wounded soldiers who had fought in the 1914-18 war in Les Invalides hospital in Paris.
So the bleuet commemorates the all veterans and the poppy commemorates the dead. The use of the poppy was inspired by the poem 'In Flanders Field' by John McCrae and poppy was translated into French as bleuet.
French already have one, its a cornflower not a poppy, but serves a similar purpose.
The blue cornflower (bleuet) was a symbol of commemoration of the wounded before the poppy came into use. It stems from production of blue-coloured cloth by wounded soldiers who had fought in the 1914-18 war in Les Invalides hospital in Paris.
So the bleuet commemorates the all veterans and the poppy commemorates the dead. The use of the poppy was inspired by the poem 'In Flanders Field' by John McCrae and poppy was translated into French as bleuet.
so how would they like it someone wanted to ware green on that day/week.
MYC
I'm from the eara of red poppies..........you want white or what ever colour, you go and do it....you wanted a debate, most have said red, but you still not too sure are?. ok go with what ever colour suits you.
fizzwheel
09-11-11, 10:00 PM
I dont know, but would you take offense at a Frenchman wearing a blue poppy at a rememberance sunday parade if you didint know the meaning behind it ?
gruntygiggles
09-11-11, 10:03 PM
so how would they like it someone wanted to ware green on that day/week.
It is not about the colour, it is about the message. If people war white poppies in remembrance only...they would be a lot more readily received. The problem is that they are not about purely remembrance, they are a show of support for peace and disagreement with war. Most people that don't like them feel that way because they do not want the message of remembrance to be diluted by the controversy that surrounds the desire to wear them at the same time that we are simply trying to honour the fallen.
I feel no animosity to white poppies or the wearers of them. I just don't think it is appropriate to choose the time to wear those poppies as the day that has historically been used for people to simply remember the fallen.
Protest war and support peace at another time. This is a time for remembrance, nothing else IMO.
fizzwheel
09-11-11, 10:03 PM
Personally I dont think it matters what colour it is. What is important is that we all take a bit of time to remember what those people gave up so that we can live our lives in the way we are currently doing and we take a bit of time to think about servicemen and women from all the armed forces and what they are currently doing and going through. The colour isnt important, its the act of rememberance itself thats important.
IMHO
gruntygiggles
09-11-11, 10:04 PM
Personally I dont think it matters what colour it is. What is important is that we all take a bit of time to remember what those people gave up so that we can live our lives in the way we are currently doing and we take a bit of time to think about servicemen and women from all the armed forces and what they are currently doing and going through. The colour isnt important, its the act of rememberance itself thats important.
IMHO
You just said what I tried to in a much better way :-)
Biker Biggles
09-11-11, 10:05 PM
I think we need to get a grip.
The act of remembrance is good and to be encouraged.How anyone does it is their business and no one elses.All this getting offended is quite ridiculous IMO
missyburd
09-11-11, 10:45 PM
MYC
I'm from the eara of red poppies..........you want white or what ever colour, you go and do it....you wanted a debate, most have said red, but you still not too sure are?. ok go with what ever colour suits you.
Dear me, someone's on the defensive this evening aren't they?
At no point have I said I wear a white poppy, at no point have I said I prefer them to red, or have I said that the red should be discouraged. I didn't make this thread to be told I "can wear whatever I like", I know I can wear what I like and I don't need you to tell me. But thanks anyway :)
I assumed that most folk would go with the red, I have just put an argument forward for white because I wanted other takes on it. Having only really found out about the white recently I was intrigued by what you all thought.
I've never seen or heard of a white poppy:flower:
I wouldn't know where to get one either.
I will wear my red poppy.
yorkie_chris
09-11-11, 11:20 PM
While I believe conflict is not to be entered into lightly, I would not wear a white poppy as I wouldn't want to be lumped in with any cowardly hippy pr*cks from down South who've never seen a drop of blood in their life and see nothing in life as worth a fight.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have to wonder, what do most of the "white" lot think? "Death = Bad" and as shallow as that? Do they have any concept of the existence of evil in the world? Or do the majority hold a deeper perspective than that?
Whatever the reason, not a political day.
suzukigt380paul
09-11-11, 11:43 PM
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
red poppies, lest we forget
While I believe conflict is not to be entered into lightly, I would not wear a white poppy as I wouldn't want to be lumped in with any cowardly hippy pr*cks from down South who've never seen a drop of blood in their life and see nothing in life as worth a fight.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have to wonder, what do most of the "white" lot think? "Death = Bad" and as shallow as that? Do they have any concept of the existence of evil in the world? Or do the majority hold a deeper perspective than that?
Whatever the reason, not a political day.
What about being lumped in with the cowardly hippy pr*cks from up north?! Would that be different?;)
I have never been called upon to fight to defend our country, and for that I am profoundly grateful to those who made and make that call unnecessary.
That's why I'll wear my red poppy.
BanannaMan
10-11-11, 02:21 AM
Red symbolizies remembrance.
White symbolizes peace.
It's not called Peace Day.
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
While I believe conflict is not to be entered into lightly, I would not wear a white poppy as I wouldn't want to be lumped in with any cowardly hippy pr*cks from down South who've never seen a drop of blood in their life and see nothing in life as worth a fight.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have to wonder, what do most of the "white" lot think? "Death = Bad" and as shallow as that? Do they have any concept of the existence of evil in the world? Or do the majority hold a deeper perspective than that?
Whatever the reason, not a political day.
strange rambling right here...
Do they have any concept of the existence of evil in the world? Or do the majority hold a deeper perspective than that?
lol at questioning deeper perspectives of others, when you're displaying the most simplistic view on this possible.
"You're either with us, or with the terrorists" BWAHAHAHAHAH
Technically speaking. Red poppies should only be worn for the 2 weeks leading up to Nov. 11.
White poppies can be worn anytime.
Why? I know people who wear the red poppies all year round. Who's to say that remembrance should only be observed in the 2 weeks leading up to Nov 11?
The colour isnt important, its the act of rememberance itself thats important.
IMHO
Totally agree.
And I *still* think after reading this thread that there's no reason why red and white shouldnt/couldn't be worn together. If people were more open to "peaceful resolution" then we wouldn't need to keep fighting wars. Everyone is quick enough to shout about bringing our troops home, that we're fighting in illegal wars, well how about finding a way to settle things without a war. That would be nice. But I digress.
(I'm not saying that there would never be wars or that we shouldn't remember those who have already given their lives and those who will do so in the future.) What I am saying is that I dont see the red and white as being on opposite sides.
I dont want to further de-rail MYC's thread, but I always think this video is a good thing to watch in the lead up to Armistice Day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IglUmgYGxLM
While I believe conflict is not to be entered into lightly, I would not wear a white poppy as I wouldn't want to be lumped in with any cowardly hippy pr*cks from down South who've never seen a drop of blood in their life and see nothing in life as worth a fight.
Whatever the reason, not a political day.
Like the Paras in 2nd and 3rd Battalion stationed here in Colchester?
The white poopy is not the start of a slippery slope to blue or greenness; it's existed alongside the red for decades.
Maybe the two are best seen as the two sides of the same coin.
davepreston
10-11-11, 05:08 PM
lmao at this thread :)
dizzyblonde
10-11-11, 05:29 PM
So, what would you lot say if I said I wore neither?
I buy red poppies every year, but I don't necessarily wear them. In recent years my son has asked to buy a poppy when he sees them being sold, and when I give him the money I remind him what it is for. He never wears his for long, young kid, plays around with it etc.
TBH Maria, until you brought this thread to my attention I had never heard of a white poppy, and I can't understand what all the arguing is about.....seeing as they've been around since 1930 odd!!!! Theres nowt disrespectful about another colour, its got the same meaning never the less.
All you lot need to know is when its the 11th hr on the 11 day of the 11th month, I pay my respects, wether it be stood in Asda in a minutes silence, or just to sit in front of the TV and listen to the silence with the rest of the nation.
Amadeus
12-11-11, 11:01 AM
I buy a poppy every time I see them for sale - most years I'll put in to 10 collection tins (only put in each tin once mind). I'm not in the forces, never been in the forces and my closest connection to them is that a couple of people I went to school with joined up (but not seen those guys since I left school).
Personally, I hate the idea of white poppies - it seems really disrespectful to me. I absolutely agree with peace (well, other than against people like Hitler and aubergines), but *to me* it implies disapproval of people who have laid their life down for their country. Those who died as a result of conscription are especially worthy of praise in my book.
yorkie_chris
14-11-11, 05:50 PM
strange rambling right here...
On a subject that I haven't made my mind up on, and have limited knowledge of... I make no claim that it is anything but rambling.
missyburd
11-11-12, 12:17 AM
Might as well rake this up, even if it's just for the sake of awareness.
A friend of mine posted this this evening and I thought I'd share it as his words are so very well put. And he's a poet too, figures.
"I wear a red poppy for those who died fighting to save our freedom. Those without whom we could not be. I wear it to raise funds for the legion, who support soldiers that the state should but don't.
I wear a white poppy for all the soldiers sent to die in pointless slaughter for the sake of our rich elite. The thousands sacrificed for oil and race and religion. Let's remember heros in glory and the sacrificed in anger. Above all, I remember. Lest we forget."
(https://www.facebook.com/megghyllartist/posts/548507035164998?comment_id=6929055&offset=0&total_comments=8)
Not wanting to be grouped with any cowardly hippy pr*cks from t'up North, I'd not be opposed to wearing either, together.
I make a donation to the RBL each year and take time out to remember those who lost their lives, but at the same time I don't support the government sending our troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. Thus I see a place for both poppies.
I would imagine that a number of soldiers who fought and died in the WWs would also support white poppies.
widepants
11-11-12, 10:07 AM
Today a friend of mine is coming to dinner with her 3 kids , hubby is staying at home .
Why ? you may ask.Not because he is a grump or a misery , but because.....
Him and 4 mates were ambushed in Afganistan , he took 3 bullets and survived they didnt.
Today is his day to be with his "friends"
I'm not bothered what colour you wear BUT I am bothered about what colour I wear. I feel a responsibility to remember and be eternally grateful.
Those that fought, fought for many reasons and its not for me to judge those reasons. Yes, I may judge the politicians, both here and abroad, but not those that fought.
Must dash. Got to go to the Cenotaph.
Dabteacake
11-11-12, 02:43 PM
I dont care what people wear or dont!! Aslong as you pay your respects in your own way!! I have lost friends and also have a friend injured in a grenade blast in the last month!! The British Legion asked us to collect in Salisbury in our No2's a few years back. Got a lot of support on that day and hope it lasts till the end of days. The Legion provide a good service and deserve to be recognised for what they do as well
I only wear a Red poppy but wouldnt get offended at a white one as long as you mouth is shut for that period of silence
Milky Bar Kid
11-11-12, 03:49 PM
I know they exist but I have never seen a white poppy.
I think the issue with the white for me is that the two WW's were necessary. All other avenues were exhausted before war an in some people's opinion, we were too late in engaging, resulting the the wars lasting a lot longer than they should. That's why I don't think white poppies should be worn on 11/11.
Wear then during the rest of the year by any means.
Whilst we may not agree with the more recent wars, the soldiers do not have a say in it. Yes they made a choice to join the army but please remember, these soldiers/sailors/airmen are still the ones who will fight for our country and our freedom should another world war break out.
Red poppy for me. Always.
The old lie:
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.
MisterTommyH
11-11-12, 05:17 PM
My problem with them is that by having a different white poppy specifically dedicated to peace, but still paying respect to those that have fallen..... there is an implication that those wearing the red poppy in some way condone, or like war.
To me, the day, the tribute, the charity donation and the red poppy is there to support the sacrifice that others have given for us, regardless of what we may think of the validity of the conflict.
21QUEST
11-11-12, 05:54 PM
I think we need to get a grip.
The act of remembrance is good and to be encouraged.How anyone does it is their business and no one elses.All this getting offended is quite ridiculous IMO
To be honest, I tend to keep away from tthreads like this ...as it ends up with me wondering "how the 'eck do some folks that are usually appear 'normal', end up sounding like a bunch of special bone heads " .
Anyway, I'm in agreement with BB....special attention to be paid to his first sentence :D
Merry Christmas to everyone :p
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