Tracker - Police won't do anything.

[pete m]

Howsabout this for a result for spending £500 on a tracking system...

Owner traces stolen bike, but police ‘can’t help’
A motorcycle owner who found his stolen bike using a GPS tracker was told by police that they did not have the power to search the lock-up garages where it was being held. Sam Jackson had fitted his £9.000 Yamaha R6 with a tracking device just in case it was stolen from his home in Haringey, North London. The 27 year old said that the machine was taken on Oct 28 and he had immediately altered police, telling him that he had already tracked down it location, six miles away. He gave the exact coordinates from his GPS tracking device, showing where it was parked in Upper Edmonton, Enfield, but police told him there was a large number of lock-up garages in the street and that they did not have the power to take further action.
Also in Mirror P14.


:smt074.....:smt063

[SV650Racer]

No to swing off topic but that may be my front wheel just out of shot in the top of your profile pic LOL...bottom of Paddock on an MRO brands gp meeting???

[pete m]

sounds reasonable yessir - few years ago now mind !

[SV650Racer]

Prob 2008..

Sarah

[pete m]

Hi sarah , we arent strangers , Pete

anyhoo - how about the tracker f up - not apocryphal you see:(

[Reeder]

The bloke should just break in and nick it back and the rest of what's in there for good measure.

[SV650Racer]

Sadly the law being an ass he would then get done for breaking and entering..

Bet its now stripped and in a million bits..

[TamSV]

Phone 999 and report a fire at the workshops. Fire Brigade will be through the door in jig time.

[pete m]

cops would prolly be watching and nick YUO and not the theiving scum

[Berlin]

"Hello, yes is that the police"?

"Yes, how can we help"?

"I've just seen a man with a gun ride a Motorbike into some Garages at..."

wait three minues...

Get bike back.

[Destruktor77]

Surely he could pinpoint a smaller area of maybe a few garages no like 200 or something ridiculous. Even when the job is done for them, they'd rather spend there bloody time doing useless speed checks and patrolling for drunk teens.

When they should be recovering stolen goods, catching people driving while on their phones/no seat belts, people who brake then indicate or not even indicate, those who don't understand filter in turn roundabouts and off course... the *ucking boy racers who think they can cut you up with their ridiculous bodywork and over loud exhausts which are properly 100% illegal...

That's my 2 pence...

[tigersaw]

I'm sure the police would like nothing better than to recover the bike, then throw the culprit down several flights of steps.
Unfortunately its not the '70's and they have to follow rules and procedures.

[pete m]

nice new thread title admin1 (Hi Ian,? ive got your money !bike still starts in the a.m.!)
i can see people might of thought it was about useless journos or subs !:D

[Biker Biggles]

We had this before.Didnt muffles on here use a tracker to locate his bike and police didnt want to know?
Id have thought that reasonable suspicion of stolen goods being at a location would be enough for police to enter and search?Lets face it they quite often raid premises using their own intelligence,but find nothing so they must be legally entitled to go in.Or am I back in the 1970s too?

[Sid Squid]

Hi Ian,? ive got your money
I won't object to you paying me it.

[Stenno]

We had this before.Didnt muffles on here use a tracker to locate his bike and police didnt want to know?
Id have thought that reasonable suspicion of stolen goods being at a location would be enough for police to enter and search?Lets face it they quite often raid premises using their own intelligence,but find nothing so they must be legally entitled to go in.Or am I back in the 1970s too?

Yup, quite a long thread on it. Was pinned down to a number of garages but no closer thus the Police wouldn't investigate.

Personally, I would be straight there with some mates, a hand drill and snake cam.

[Paul the 6th]

Gaffa tape, cable ties, sparklers, feather duster, spanking paddle, one of them ball gag things....

And a kebab knife for good measure.

[Specialone]

Paul, I think he was on about using the hand drill and camera to peek inside not torture suspects.

Or have I misread everything ?;)

[-Ralph-]

If the bike is alarmed, walk down the garages pressing the remote until a garage door goes beep, beep, then tell the police you've found the exact garage, or just break into it yourself.

It wouldn't be difficult to equip tracker devices with something short range that beeps the horn when you press a radio remote.

[NTECUK]

You just know if you break in it will be you that get halled up before the thief .

[-Ralph-]

You just know if you break in it will be you that get halled up before the thief .

"Hello Police, somebody has broken into my garage and stolen the stolen motorbike that I had in there, please can you come and investigate?"

Not going to happen is it.

[NTECUK]

Not like that but if I was passing and a cop it looks like a straight forward breaking and entering . And that's what you are doing .

[Bluepete]

"Hello Police, somebody has broken into my garage and stolen the stolen motorbike that I had in there, please can you come and investigate?"

Not going to happen is it.

Sorry to pi$$ on your parade, but...

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/crime/s/1458756_cannabis-farmer-calls-police-when-crooks-dressed-as-cops-raid-his-house-in-middleton

Pete ;)

[-Ralph-]

Not like that but if I was passing and a cop it looks like a straight forward breaking and entering . And that's what you are doing .

Well I'd certainly make sure there were no cops walking past before I drilled the lock! :lol: You need to get caught first, if you don't the owner of the garage needs to report it and incriminate themselves in the process.

If the police ask how you got the bike back, innocent until proven guilty! Tell them that you went to the trackers location and found it parked on the street, if they say a garage was broken into deny all knowledge and advise that if they suspect you of a crime and they have evidence, then they should charge you.

At the end of the day you're the good guy, not the bike thief, the police are not going to try that hard to prosecute you.

[NTECUK]

Let's hope mr bike thief is not armed too.

I'm sure if you know the lock up it's in mr plod will do the houners.

[Lozzo]

I'm sure if you know the lock up it's in mr plod will do the houners.

I'll bet they won't.

Three times this week we've called the police because a local pikey has been seen riding a known stolen KX100 around the area where my shop is. Three times the police have failed to show up at all.

We've had the young lad who owns the bike in the shop asking if we've seen it yet and had to tell him we have been let down three times by the police.

[DJ123]

he could accidentally crash his car into the garage where the bike is being held. Then if the garage is open/accessible it's not breaking and entering merely trespassing.

[sputnik]

You just know if you break in it will be you that get halled up before the thief .

That's disgraceful. you would have thought a judge would know better than to be stealing bikes! :rolleyes:

[Stuuk1]

Break in, find your bike, set the garage on fire and walk away.

Get your pay out from insurance and be done with it.


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Member of the 1 litre club...

[Red Herring]

I'll bet they won't.

Three times this week we've called the police because a local pikey has been seen riding a known stolen KX100 around the area where my shop is. Three times the police have failed to show up at all.

We've had the young lad who owns the bike in the shop asking if we've seen it yet and had to tell him we have been let down three times by the police.

Bet they would.

There is a whole load of differences between the two scenarios, even you must know that.

[bigchris]

I'd just break in and take back what's mine. I would rather have my property back and if I was to gain a criminal record so be it. Think about it, the thieving git ain't going to call the police because someone is breaking into his garage with a stolen bike in it? The police really are a disgrace sometimes. >:-/


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[Bluepete]

I'd just break in and take back what's mine. I would rather have my property back and if I was to gain a criminal record so be it. Think about it, the thieving git ain't going to call the police because someone is breaking into his garage with a stolen bike in it? The police really are a disgrace sometimes. >:-/


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Maybe, but it's the laws of the land that dictate what they can and can't do. If you think it's disgraceful, lobby your government for a change and think beyond the obvious for a second. There won't be a cop in the land that wants the see the crim get away with it, but why risk a pension for the sake of an insured hunk of metal and plastic?

[bigchris]

There won't be a cop in the land that wants the see the crim get away with it, but why risk a pension for the sake of an insured hunk of metal and plastic?[/QUOTE]

Because that's their job?




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[Ch00]

There won't be a cop in the land that wants the see the crim get away with it, but why risk a pension for the sake of an insured hunk of metal and plastic?


Because that's their job?




The Police have to follow the rules and laws too. Certainly not worth ****ing your pension up the wall as Bluepete has stated.

[Lozzo]

Bet they would.

There is a whole load of differences between the two scenarios, even you must know that.

I half expected you to turn up and chip in.

Please explain the differences and also why the police won't bother turning up when they have been informed that a known stolen off-road motorcycle is being ridden recklessly past the pre-school nursery directly opposite my shop?

Three times the police have been called, three times they haven't even bothered to attend. Is it any surprise when people take the law into their own hands when this happens?

There's one or two traffic coppers come into my shop every day, we regard them as decent blokes doing a difficult job, but someone at their control room obviously doesn't think it's worth putting a shout out for some reason because they tell us they've not heard a thing about it.

[phi-dan]

Lozzo, I chatted to my local PCs about this (granted it's going to be a different constabulary) and they won't turn out for something like this as the constabulary has a policy of not pursuing motorcycles. Even if they did show up, they aren't even allowed to follow the bike on foot. With the off-road bikes (no plates to trace an address) the only way they would be able to do anything is if the numpty didn't leg it (not likely), or if they were in place to see where the bike parked up. And yes, they're as frustrated about it as you are.

[Wez007]

WHAT? That’s ridiculous. the problem is all the do-gooders that pop out of the woodwork after some little waste of air scrout kills himself whilst running from the police on some poor buggers pride and joy, probably writing it off the process! If you ask me the more of them that kill themselves the better, one less tw*t for the rest of us to pay for !

Yes i have had a bike stolen in the past ;)

[454697819]

this ...

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=108784

[blue curvy jester]

if they could find the exact garage using the above methods break in and get it back then report to the coppers where it was you will not get done

i 'recovered' a £1000 racing (pedal ) bike that way took it to the cop shop and they lent me the tools to get the lock off that the thief had put on it ( once i proved it was mine )

the problem with the tracker tecnology is that it will only give you a rough estimate they could have to open 50 garages of non thiveing scrotes ( like you or I ) and these would then be left open to things going missing

if it was in an area with 1 lock up they would open it to look

[Red Herring]

I half expected you to turn up and chip in.

Please explain the differences and also why the police won't bother turning up when they have been informed that a known stolen off-road motorcycle is being ridden recklessly past the pre-school nursery directly opposite my shop?


That's because I'm becoming almost as predictable as you.

Posts 36 and 39 have pretty much covered it really.

Chasing kids (or even adults) on off road bikes is something the police generally won't entertain. It's a lose lose situation. I'm not making excuses for non-attendance, I would like to think if said scrote is riding it that regularly then appropriate enquiries might identify them and enable to police to hopefully locate the bike when he isn't riding it, but don't expect the police to arrive with flashing lights and helicopters.

The garage situation (the original point of the thread) is that the police can't get a warrant without knowing which garage to get one for, a point that seems to have been missed by most of those slagging off the police and saying they would just screw the garage to get the bike back. You just can't go to a magistrate and say, please sir, can I force my way into twenty garages belonging to twenty different people, nineteen of who we know will be innocent. Again, some subtle enquiries by a local officer might be able to pin it down a bit, but such resources are fewer and further between....

[-Ralph-]

Just a lesson for anyone fitting a tracker, make sure there is some way oflocating the bike at close quarters, such as a remote that can beep the horn or sound a siren. Once you yourself have identified the garage stake it out whilst the police get the warrant.

PS @RH: I certainly knew the police would need a warrant but felt that was such common knowledge it didnt need to be said. Assuming people posting have some intelligence is dangerous I know, but probably equally unfair to assume everybody missed it. Its policies such as not persuing bikes that annoy, an people do genuinely question given police resource levels whether police would react even if you found the exact garage yourself. As somebody said earlier, its insured, so is it the case in some areas that it just wouldnt be seen as important?

[Biker Biggles]

Dont know much about these trackers,but modern gps systems are very accurate.
they use them to position ships to within a few cm.Are the ones fitted as security not so accurate?If they were there would be no doubt which shed it was in.

[brennan]

It all depends on the receiver. I use survey grade gps accurate to 10mm for work, costing around £12k minimum.

A tracker costing £400 would be accurate to a position of metres, with a clear view of sky. (as are tomtom's etc) In a garage you would be lucky to see under 10m precision

[metalmonkey]

The actual issue with the police is that, they don't do police work anymore. The vast majority of them, no not all of them should be very clearly noted...

Its simple they go after the easy jobs to get the figures in so they can they have dectected so many crimes, solved crimes, reassured people ect. They are so busy doing that they simply don't have the time to do actual police work. Mean while all the figures are collected, then the senior mangers have a meeting to talk about the figures, they decide that certian crimes are reclassifed to make it look like say less burglaries are actually happening while real terms they are going up. Then maybe direct a patrol at an area, which then moves the problem onto somewhere else. So the actual crime/issue is never actually resolved. Also several people who are officers, have clearly stated why would I risk my pension? In a case such as this...

So no they won't go looking for the bike, it involves work. If the thief actually does get caught, goes to court...nothing will happen apart from a telling off maybe. So as you can see the system is not set up not to help victims. The police are pacifers to society, much like the reality TV you all watch and dull your mind with.

[Reeder]

The actual issue with the police is that, they don't do police work anymore. The vast majority of them, no not all of them should be very clearly noted...

Its simple they go after the easy jobs to get the figures in so they can they have dectected so many crimes, solved crimes, reassured people ect. They are so busy doing that they simply don't have the time to do actual police work. Mean while all the figures are collected, then the senior mangers have a meeting to talk about the figures, they decide that certian crimes are reclassifed to make it look like say less burglaries are actually happening while real terms they are going up. Then maybe direct a patrol at an area, which then moves the problem onto somewhere else. So the actual crime/issue is never actually resolved. Also several people who are officers, have clearly stated why would I risk my pension? In a case such as this...

So no they won't go looking for the bike, it involves work. If the thief actually does get caught, goes to court...nothing will happen apart from a telling off maybe. So as you can see the system is not set up not to help victims. The police are pacifers to society, much like the reality TV you all watch and dull your mind with.

Are you a policeman? If your answer is no please state how you are so sure of the above.

[Owenski]

Rough night monkey?

Im sure this has been discussed before but what with modern mobiles having gps could you not wire in a pay and go mobile to the bike. If you find its been stollen track the phone on the gps (apps available on most smart phones). Then when stood within a few feet of it all you've got to do is give it a call. A standard phone battery lasts 3 days so you've got that long to find it from the day it was stollen.

[grh1904]

The actual issue with the police is that, they don't do police work anymore. The vast majority of them, no not all of them should be very clearly noted...

Its simple they go after the easy jobs to get the figures in so they can they have dectected so many crimes, solved crimes, reassured people ect. They are so busy doing that they simply don't have the time to do actual police work. Mean while all the figures are collected, then the senior mangers have a meeting to talk about the figures, they decide that certian crimes are reclassifed to make it look like say less burglaries are actually happening while real terms they are going up. Then maybe direct a patrol at an area, which then moves the problem onto somewhere else. So the actual crime/issue is never actually resolved. Also several people who are officers, have clearly stated why would I risk my pension? In a case such as this...

So no they won't go looking for the bike, it involves work. If the thief actually does get caught, goes to court...nothing will happen apart from a telling off maybe. So as you can see the system is not set up not to help victims. The police are pacifers to society, much like the reality TV you all watch and dull your mind with.

I've highlighted a couple of points above: -

Perhaps you could define POLICE WORK & specfically what it is that the Police no longer do.

Police officers hold the office of Constable & as such it is the responsibility of the individual concerned when a decision is made to arrest or swear out a warrant. An officer cannot be ORDERED to do such an act. In relation to the OP, if the EXACT garage cannot be identified it is highly unlikely that a Magistrate would authorise a warrant to force entry to numerous garages.

If say 10 out of the 20 or so garages had to be forced open before the bike was recovered at the 11th garage, then the 10 previous owners have a legitimate claim for a new/repaired garage door at the expense of the Police. At say an average £400.00 for each garage that's £4000.00 your local force has just spent, which local Police department loses that from their budget. That is money that cannot be recovered from any suspect.

What I would say to those that regularly post up on the negative side of Policing - what do you know about the subject?????. If you are so hacked off about Police responses etc & are full of ideas as to how it should be done then why not give up some your time & become a SPECIAL CONSTABLE.

This would boost officer numbers & allow the response you want to see take place, it would give you a greater understanding of what it is that gets done & why it gets done that way, ALSO as you yourself would now be held fully accountable for your actions and subject to Police regulations....................................... .














sits back & waits for the braying mob with pitchforks to arrive.

[NTECUK]

Cheaper than the mobile option .
Big chain and a ground anchor.

[Owenski]

Cheaper than the mobile option .
Big chain and a ground anchor.

Thats my point, I dont think the ancor option is cheaper. Pay and go mobile is what £30, you've then just go to buy the tracker app and do a bit of wiring. Hardest part would maybe making certain the phone would remain 100%dry.

[CT0312]

Hardest part would maybe making certain the phone would remain 100%dry. just get a small drinks bottle then make a hole in the top for wires. Would need to be a loud phone. Heat up the bottle and it would shrink around the phone too. Or just use cling film although i think it would muffle the sound more:)

[metalmonkey]

I used to the job, so I know very well what goes on or more to the point what doesn't happen. The manulaption of crime figures happens all the time, its a standard thing.

Special Constables is just policing on the cheap, while the real numbers of police are being reduced, the ranks of specail consables are being increased. So you have an army of inexperined people on the street, who really have no clue. I had the misfourtune to work with specials, they often casued problems rather than solving them.

Its not just this case, the church near where I live has had lead ripped of it about 4-5 times this year alone what have the police done about it? Well nothing to be exact...the only time we see police around here is on match days or in tesco buying junk food. My sister found a burglar in her flat in London, what did the police do about that well nothing again. It happens all the time, not just in this case.

Going back to the OP, how would you find the right garage or narrow it down to a few, simple by doing police work carrying out an investigation. Though doing that won't get the figures in, to feed into the stats in which what police is actual about now.

Yeah rough night/day I got Flu.

[Red Herring]

I'm lucky enough to be able to see both sides to this argument. Metalmonkey has by his own admission had a bad day and he makes loads of valid points, but it's not quite as bad as he makes out, well at least not all of the time. The reality is that the majority of coppers, those that are on the street every day out and about doing what they can for the public, are generally so snowed under being glorified social workers that they get little time to proactively go after criminals. I've just come back to area policing after 8 years on a specialist unit and it is frightening how little opportunity most of them get to do what they all originally joined up for. The reality is that there is nothing most coppers want more than to have reunited the Op with his bike and locked up the scrote that took it, but as has now been pointed out several times they are constrained by the rules and opportunity. This is a far bigger issue than individual needs, it's about society appreciating it simply cannot have it both ways. If you want a police force to justify every decision it makes, to demonstrate at every turn that it is providing "value" for money, and to replace common sense with audits, policy and accountability just in case something doesn't go right then that is exactly what it will put it's resources into doing. If however you want an effective and efficient police service that concentrates on the important aspects of providing a safe society and can be forgiven the odd mistake then why not let them get on with doing just that.

For the record if the Op had come to me and this block of garages had been on my patch I would have found the right one, by fair means or foul.... and if Lozzo had rung me on my watch I'd have sorted the pikey out, but I've been in the job long enough to know how to play the system and I'm close enough to walking away not to be intimidated by the red tape. There are others like me out there, but unfortunately for you lot in a few years time there won't be. Good luck.

[Biker Biggles]

I'm lucky enough to be able to see both sides to this argument. Metalmonkey has by his own admission had a bad day and he makes loads of valid points, but it's not quite as bad as he makes out, well at least not all of the time. The reality is that the majority of coppers, those that are on the street every day out and about doing what they can for the public, are generally so snowed under being glorified social workers that they get little time to proactively go after criminals. I've just come back to area policing after 8 years on a specialist unit and it is frightening how little opportunity most of them get to do what they all originally joined up for. The reality is that there is nothing most coppers want more than to have reunited the Op with his bike and locked up the scrote that took it, but as has now been pointed out several times they are constrained by the rules and opportunity. This is a far bigger issue than individual needs, it's about society appreciating it simply cannot have it both ways. If you want a police force to justify every decision it makes, to demonstrate at every turn that it is providing "value" for money, and to replace common sense with audits, policy and accountability just in case something doesn't go right then that is exactly what it will put it's resources into doing. If however you want an effective and efficient police service that concentrates on the important aspects of providing a safe society and can be forgiven the odd mistake then why not let them get on with doing just that.

For the record if the Op had come to me and this block of garages had been on my patch I would have found the right one, by fair means or foul.... and if Lozzo had rung me on my watch I'd have sorted the pikey out, but I've been in the job long enough to know how to play the system and I'm close enough to walking away not to be intimidated by the red tape. There are others like me out there, but unfortunately for you lot in a few years time there won't be. Good luck.

Good post---Worth repeating:D
Its not just the polis either.We are completely mired in this blame avoidance culture where it is far more important to have a paper trail that shows ts were crossed and is dotted whatever the disastrous outcome so the sh1tstorm can pass rather than just get the job done.It costs hugely too both in money and morale sapping losses.Id guess thats what happened to metalmonkey and thousands more like him.
Working in a vaguely similar environment I too am glad im nearer the end of a career than the beginning.:smt089

[metalmonkey]

Good post---Worth repeating:D
Its not just the polis either.We are completely mired in this blame avoidance culture where it is far more important to have a paper trail that shows ts were crossed and is dotted whatever the disastrous outcome so the sh1tstorm can pass rather than just get the job done.It costs hugely too both in money and morale sapping losses.Id guess thats what happened to metalmonkey and thousands more like him.
Working in a vaguely similar environment I too am glad im nearer the end of a career than the beginning.:smt089

I'll give you example of a regular day;

So I get call person collasped in the street, go over to check it out at the stage who knows what the incident could be. So I get there its one of the regular street drinkers who passed out yet again smashed out of their mind. A member of public saw the heap on the floor and called police.

As I'm not trained medical, I can't make a call and say they are ****ed and send on their way, becasue if they die I would be in neglact of duty which is very bad thing. So then I call an amblance, so we have two crew members and amblance tied up on scence. Then I have argument with the crew about who takes the drunk, I can't nick him casue if he dies in the cell it would casue all kinds of problems, what happened if the drunk hit their head? So the arguments goes on, mean while a crowd forms I call skipper to come out to tell the crew to the drunk as they won't take it from a PC. So mean while a skipper and maybe another officer comes out, evetually the drunk gets taken away. I search the drunk, can't find ID so I go to hospital make enquires to find out who he is, next of kin and so on so I can write a report about.

The drunk mean while takes up a bed in hospital, a doctor and nurse ect. Evetually the said drunk gets kicked out of hopstial, then goes into amblance and takes a s#it in it so gets nicked for criminal damage. Back to the station, a cell, more officers are required to care of the soberish drunk who smells like s$hit. In the end not much happens, to him something like a fine they will never pay casue they spend all the benfit money they have on drink and drugs. Skip foward a few days, the same drunk collaspes in the street all the above happens again.

So when would like me to go do police work then? I got asked why served, well becasue I wanted to make difference. Anyways I was told that I was wrong job becasue you don't make differnce, if you want to help go do a different job. Not what you want to hear is it?

[maviczap]

Working in a vaguely similar environment I too am glad im nearer the end of a career than the beginning.:smt089

Same here, still like doing my job, but successive Governments have made things worse with each NEW idea.

I've never known so many unhappy people.

The work hasn't changed, there's still plenty of crims to be caught and locked up, but no political will to do it.

[Paul the 6th]

"Haven't you all seen mad max? Thats what's going to happen!"

Jeremy from peepshow..

[-Ralph-]

it's about society appreciating it simply cannot have it both ways

Who is 'society'?

I'm pretty sure the general public just want the police to respond and act when they pick up the phone.

It's a bunch of idiot policy makers in a public sector job creation programme, with nothing better to do all day than dream up scenarios that have some outside chance of creating a health and safety risk, or a litigation risk, that decided they wanted it both ways.

Similarly the courts need to crack down and apply common sense when somebody tries to sue the police and tell the plaintiff where they can stick it!

We didn't need all these rules 20 years ago, I don't see why 'society' should need them now.

[yorkie_chris]

If say 10 out of the 20 or so garages had to be forced open before the bike was recovered at the 11th garage, then the 10 previous owners have a legitimate claim for a new/repaired garage door at the expense of the Police. At say an average £400.00 for each garage that's £4000.00 your local force has just spent, which local Police department loses that from their budget. That is money that cannot be recovered from any suspect

Given the chance of a 10 grand bike I'd pay the buggers myself.

However, my middle name isn't Sherlock, but is it completely beyond the realms of possibility to go knock on some doors? "Excuse me sir but I believe there is a stolen motorcycle in one of those 10 garages, could I perchance take a peek inside yours?"

I think someone on here had a similar story where they knew where the bike was but the police didn't even do that.

[metalmonkey]

Given the chance of a 10 grand bike I'd pay the buggers myself.

However, my middle name isn't Sherlock, but is it completely beyond the realms of possibility to go knock on some doors? "Excuse me sir but I believe there is a stolen motorcycle in one of those 10 garages, could I perchance take a peek inside yours?"

I think someone on here had a similar story where they knew where the bike was but the police didn't even do that.

Thats one thing they could have done, but couldn't bothred to do. Its probally too late now anway its been exported, striped or made into a track bike.

[NTECUK]

Best you get your selves voted in to office.
WE need some action takers running this place....

[Red Herring]

Who is 'society'?

I'm pretty sure the general public just want the police to respond and act when they pick up the phone.


Yup that would be about right. The problem is that 99% of the time all they are asking us to do is come along and take responsibility for sorting out their life for them. If we spent less time trying to resolve individual lifestyle issues we might actually have opportunity to focus on some criminals.

[yorkie_chris]

Thats one thing they could have done, but couldn't bothred to do. Its probally too late now anway its been exported, striped or made into a track bike.

I think the only sure way would be to hide about 5kg of P4 in the frame rails. Might make you a bit nervous riding next to power lines but at least you'd have a decent chance of sorting out the gene pool a bit if anyone had a go at it.

[monkey]

Rough night monkey?


No it was ok thanks. Just home from some overtime. Ten hours at time and a half for about five hours work. Lovely.

How are you?

(Don't confuse the monkey!)

[SoulKiss]

(Don't confuse the monkey!)

Oh, come on, to be fair, the Monkey is USUALLY confused :p

[Reeder]

Must be all the spanking he gets.

[grh1904]

I'll give you example of a regular day;

So I get call person collasped in the street, go over to check it out at the stage who knows what the incident could be. So I get there its one of the regular street drinkers who passed out yet again smashed out of their mind. A member of public saw the heap on the floor and called police.

As I'm not trained medical, I can't make a call and say they are ****ed and send on their way, becasue if they die I would be in neglact of duty which is very bad thing. So then I call an amblance, so we have two crew members and amblance tied up on scence. Then I have argument with the crew about who takes the drunk, I can't nick him casue if he dies in the cell it would casue all kinds of problems, what happened if the drunk hit their head? So the arguments goes on, mean while a crowd forms I call skipper to come out to tell the crew to the drunk as they won't take it from a PC. So mean while a skipper and maybe another officer comes out, evetually the drunk gets taken away. I search the drunk, can't find ID so I go to hospital make enquires to find out who he is, next of kin and so on so I can write a report about.

The drunk mean while takes up a bed in hospital, a doctor and nurse ect. Evetually the said drunk gets kicked out of hopstial, then goes into amblance and takes a s#it in it so gets nicked for criminal damage. Back to the station, a cell, more officers are required to care of the soberish drunk who smells like s$hit. In the end not much happens, to him something like a fine they will never pay casue they spend all the benfit money they have on drink and drugs. Skip foward a few days, the same drunk collaspes in the street all the above happens again.

So when would like me to go do police work then? I got asked why served, well becasue I wanted to make difference. Anyways I was told that I was wrong job becasue you don't make differnce, if you want to help go do a different job. Not what you want to hear is it?

I totally get where you're coming from. I don't think the public really appreciate the constraints on us to do our job (the rules that we have to work to) and the things that pull us away from what the general public would term real Police work, this below might help explain some of it.

I spent 2010 & the first part of 2011 working on a 24/7 response team & I recall one 2pm to 11pm shift. At the 2pm shift briefing I was handed a job that had come in during the morning, it was the usual "my ex's new slag has just called me names over farcebook".

A cop from the early turn had been, seen some sbusive messages over a couple of days from one female to another, got a brief statement in their pocket notebook & prepared a harrasment warning notice for the "offender", but due to other stuff didn't get it served before going off duty so it was given to me to do.

I go around and the "offender" shows me a load of messages where the "victim" of this alleged abuse has been just as bad and after the attending cop had been she then then some rather abusive messages to the other party advising that cops would be coming to get her etc.

Anyway to cut this story down I spent 5, yes FIVE hours of a 9 hour shift going back & forth between these 2 parties to serve harassment warning notices. Especially when the 2 blokes then started to text the girls & each other with abusive texts as well. After visisting the "offender" I had to go back to the so called "victim", then go back to "offender", then return to the "victim" to speak to her other half, then back to the other address to advise that comments like "rip out your eye balls and pi$$ in your skull" could be taken as a threat of violence and to stop it & while there he got a text message advising that it was known what car he drives & how much are 4 new tyres, so back I go to the other address & while there he gets a text from the other saying that when he sees me leave he'll get his windows put out.

I could go on but you'd probably just get bored.

All of this started because the 2 women agreed to accept each other friends so that when the kids went to stay with dad, or when dad & his "new fat slag" were picking the kids up from school it could all be arranged properly, without the need for face to face contact or voice phonecalls.

I really enjoyed giving the tax payers value for money that day!!!!!!!

[-Ralph-]

facebook stuff

So much tax, so little benefit, so annoying. There's nothing else I can say. We have allowed the country to slip into such a major mess, it's an almost impossible job to fix it.

You could argue that they should just be left to get on with it, until somebody gets hurt and needs to be prosecuted for assault. But some namby pamby idiot would come along and say "we can't allow people to send each other threats of violence!" and the problem we have with this country is the powers that be consist of and have listened to those namby pamby idiots for so long we are now a country that can't allow anything! You wouldn't get a police officer telling that story in any other country in the world.

[paiste]

Bring back Gene Hunt style policing (if it ever existed!) Teach the messers and the scrotes right from wrong

[paiste]

And while we're at it Clarkson for prime minister!

[pete m]

Cant help but think Clarksons not going to be PM now ..in fact he's not going to be invited to any parties at all for a while .....;)

[Dicky Ticker]

The trouble with Clarkson is he says what he believes to be the truth and it often is.

[Nelson]

I love it when the armchair policemen come out of the woodwork. I've not seen a good Police bashing thread for a while...

[Biker Biggles]

I love it when the armchair policemen come out of the woodwork. I've not seen a good Police bashing thread for a while...

I think thats a bit OTT quite frankly.
The thread is mostly a serious discussion about what the polis can and cant do and what the people should be able to expect from them.Many of the posts are from current or ex coppers,or people who have close contact with polce work.You can sneer at "armchair policemen"but why shouldnt people ask genuine questions about what the police do in one of their most basic functions,dealing with serious theft.

[Nelson]

I think thats a bit OTT quite frankly.
The thread is mostly a serious discussion about what the polis can and cant do and what the people should be able to expect from them.Many of the posts are from current or ex coppers,or people who have close contact with polce work.You can sneer at "armchair policemen"but why shouldnt people ask genuine questions about what the police do in one of their most basic functions,dealing with serious theft.

If people came on and asked questions or opinions from the coppers on here, then fair enough. What we have in this thread is "the cops should do this that or the next thing" or "the cops didnt do this cos they'd rather persecute innocent motorists than catch real criminals", ad infinitum.

My own personal opinion is that the news story is pretty sensationalist, as expected. Hopefully the owner was insured for his £9k bike and will recieve a nice payout. Unless my bike was extremely personalised or had sentimental value, I don't think I'd particularly want it back. If it does later on get recovered by the Police and the offender is prosecuted, then that's great, but if that doesn't happen for whatever reason then its not the end of the world.

[Reeder]

But it sure would be nice to see them make more of an effort to prosecute someone who's done something wrong rather than just let it slip...

[-Ralph-]

Regardless of the context of the news story, "its insured, not the end of the world" isnt good enough. Annual appraisal = must try harder. I am paid to do a job and I take pride in doing that job and strive to do it to the best of my ability. If my customers are not delivered what I promise, they get a big fat service penalty cheque, but wouldnt be accepted for employees to say "well theyll get financially compensated so its not the end of the world"

Sorry, just my opinion and I'm just being honest with you.

[paiste]

Cant help but think Clarksons not going to be PM now ..in fact he's not going to be invited to any parties at all for a while .....;)

I think you might be right!

[metalmonkey]

If people came on and asked questions or opinions from the coppers on here, then fair enough. What we have in this thread is "the cops should do this that or the next thing" or "the cops didnt do this cos they'd rather persecute innocent motorists than catch real criminals", ad infinitum.

My own personal opinion is that the news story is pretty sensationalist, as expected. Hopefully the owner was insured for his £9k bike and will recieve a nice payout. Unless my bike was extremely personalised or had sentimental value, I don't think I'd particularly want it back. If it does later on get recovered by the Police and the offender is prosecuted, then that's great, but if that doesn't happen for whatever reason then its not the end of the world.

OK kool I tell you what lets say your house gets broke into they steal pretty much everything, including your dog, your bike ect. Hey don't worry about it, at least you have insurance right? Who cares!

[Sid Squid]

I love it when the armchair policemen come out of the woodwork. I've not seen a good Police bashing thread for a while...
That's helpful. The message I've got from reading this thread is that people would just like the Police to show up when they're called and maybe do something useful like reuniting people with their property if it wouldn't be too much trouble - and in the circumstance described by the OP it seems it wouldn't be too much trouble.

Now, I wonder why it is that public confidence in the Police is at an all time low?

[Red Herring]

That's helpful. The message I've got from reading this thread is that people would just like the Police to show up when they're called and maybe do something useful like reuniting people with their property if it wouldn't be too much trouble - and in the circumstance described by the OP it seems it wouldn't be too much trouble.

Now, I wonder why it is that public confidence in the Police is at an all time low?

Perhaps it would have been useful if the Op had defined "large number" of lock up garages. I'd say 10-15 and it might not be unreasonable to expect the police to makes some enquiries to track down each owner/tenant and gain access to each one, not ignoring the fact that this would need to be done fairly swiftly and with some continuity as the bike is unlikely to remain there very long if word were to go round that the police were sniffing around. That might sound easy if the garages all belonged to a single block of flats, but if they were rented out to people all over the adjacent estate it would be a nightmare. Any more than that and it becomes a logistical nightmare and unless you can find a copper that was prepared to resort to some devious means then it just isn't practicable.

So actually Sid, yes, it could be to much trouble, and it would be wrong if that wasn't taken into account.

[Nelson]

Regardless of the context of the news story, "its insured, not the end of the world" isnt good enough. Annual appraisal = must try harder. I am paid to do a job and I take pride in doing that job and strive to do it to the best of my ability. If my customers are not delivered what I promise, they get a big fat service penalty cheque, but wouldnt be accepted for employees to say "well theyll get financially compensated so its not the end of the world"

Sorry, just my opinion and I'm just being honest with you.

Are you suggesting that I don't take pride in my job, and don't do it to the best of my abilities? I don't comment on your ability to do your job, yet you're happy to comment on mine? Oh yes, I forgot, you're a tax payer so that gives you divine right. :rolleyes:

Actually, my comments were more meant along the lines of 'at least not all is lost' rather than everyone leaping to the conlusion that I - and by perverse extension - the police always think like that.

Frankly, my crime files and investigations are audited to the hilt. If I've not done something that the auditors think I should have done, then it gets flagged up. I'll even go out and look for crime when its not reported - some chap came in last week reporting that he'd lost his phone somewhere the night before, not that he'd had it stolen. A few enquiries today and I've found it in a local pawn shop, returned it, and charged another thief. If I didn't give a **** I wouldn't have bothered, just filed it as another loss and forgotten about it.

If theres a chance of getting a stolen vehicle back, I'll do everything I can. I may even bend some rules in order to do so, or call in a few favours depending on what I can get away with, but there's always a line we have to stop at. Breaking into numerous garages without authority is a sure fire way of ending up having to go to the bosses office with a phonebook down your trousers.

OK kool I tell you what lets say your house gets broke into they steal pretty much everything, including your dog, your bike ect. Hey don't worry about it, at least you have insurance right? Who cares!

Yeah, at least I have insurance! It would be awful that happening and not being insured!

That's helpful. The message I've got from reading this thread is that people would just like the Police to show up when they're called and maybe do something useful like reuniting people with their property if it wouldn't be too much trouble - and in the circumstance described by the OP it seems it wouldn't be too much trouble.

Now, I wonder why it is that public confidence in the Police is at an all time low?

If we were to show up every time someone picked up the phone, then we would need a lot more officers! As it stands, we've got to prioritise. Half the trouble is that most people don't understand what the job of a modern Police officer is, and a lot of unrealistic expectation of what we can and will do. It's one of the things that irritate me when I speak to people say "I never see a bobby on the beat any more". I'd love to wander the streets all day, speaking to people and reassuring them, but we just can't.

I'm not happy about that, its just a fact. If you don't like it, petition the government to up the budgets, or become a Special Constable.

Now, I must go and spend my entire Friday night, guarding, watching and patrolling the community of my local ungrateful wage payers. Strange thing is, I'm looking forward to it. :cool:

[-Ralph-]

Are you suggesting that I don't take pride in my job, and don't do it to the best of my abilities? I don't comment on your ability to do your job, yet you're happy to comment on mine? Oh yes, I forgot, you're a tax payer so that gives you divine right. :rolleyes:

If you want to read it that way it's up to you. The reason you haven't posted on my job is because we are not talking about my job, and I haven't posted my approach to mine. What I wrote was what I wrote, go back and read it again, taking it at face value, if you want to know what I meant by it. Either way, put your toys back in the pram.



Armchair policemen

Police bashing

Oh yes, I forgot, you're a tax payer so that gives you divine right. :rolleyes:

my local ungrateful wage payers.

Strange thing is, I'm looking forward to it.

Yes, strange to anyone reading this thread that your looking forward to it, because so far the only way you have come across so far is as bitter and twisted. If you want to take all the sarcasm out of it and discuss it like an adult as every other policeman in the thread has managed to do, I'm sure the rest of us will be more than happy to engage in debate.

[Sid Squid]

it could be to much trouble, and it would be wrong if that wasn't taken into account.
And I suspect that this is from where the dissatisfaction stems. Specifically what you feel, and what we feel is 'too much' trouble is very likely rather different.

I fully appreciate that there are only so many hours in the day, and I further understand that there are only so many personnel, but if police work no longer includes retrieving stolen property where it would seem that there is already evidence that would assist its finding, which may also discover evidence to establish who the the guilty party is, which may find other items of stolen property as well, and would establish to the criminal fraternity that their crimes will not go uninvestigated, plus perhaps stopping this particular piece of criminality being profitable which is essentially what leads to much of the problem, then I'm sure that there is an explanantion that I as a slightly educated adult could folllow, that will inform why and how police time is being more importantly employed elsewhere, because from my uninformed position I reckon the above described is worth the trouble, well worth it.

If that's not the case then why is there not time for an investigation? If it is the case then if nothing else we as the public deserve that explanation, if we don't have the police force which is capable for reasons of staffing or otherwise of performing such functions, why are we forever being told that we shouldn't take police matters into out own hands? Is truly nothing to be done, nothing at all? The thieves win on a bye because the opposition don't even show up?

If that's the case we're well overdue an explanation.

[yorkie_chris]

why are we forever being told that we shouldn't take police matters into out own hands?

You clearly should, and the police should sod off and leave you alone when you do... accepting that they wouldn't have the manpower to do it themselves.


If it was me, I suppose I'd get my mate the locksmith to crack the garages open for me and hope any plod would be too busy checking on some fat slappers facebook to bother me in the process. No damage done.

[Nelson]

If you want to read it that way it's up to you. The reason you haven't posted on my job is because we are not talking about my job, and I haven't posted my approach to mine. What I wrote was what I wrote, go back and read it again, taking it at face value, if you want to know what I meant by it. Either way, put your toys back in the pram.

Yes, strange to anyone reading this thread that your looking forward to it, because so far the only way you have come across so far is as bitter and twisted. If you want to take all the sarcasm out of it and discuss it like an adult as every other policeman in the thread has managed to do, I'm sure the rest of us will be more than happy to engage in debate.

My toys aren't out the pram, merely posted with a raised eyebrow. And you can't beat a smart-arsed comment at the end of a post for extra impact. =D>

I've reread your post and I can't take it any other way than how I read it in the first place. According to what I read, you did post your approach to yours, unless I'm confused about your use of "I am paid to do a job and I take pride in doing that job and strive to do it to the best of my ability."

Makes no odds at the end of the day what you think of me - if you call when I'm on duty, I'll still come and do the best I can, however much that may be.


And I suspect that this is from where the dissatisfaction stems. Specifically what you feel, and what we feel is 'too much' trouble is very likely rather different.

I fully appreciate that there are only so many hours in the day, and I further understand that there are only so many personnel, but if police work no longer includes retrieving stolen property where it would seem that there is already evidence that would assist its finding, which may also discover evidence to establish who the the guilty party is, which may find other items of stolen property as well, and would establish to the criminal fraternity that their crimes will not go uninvestigated, plus perhaps stopping this particular piece of criminality being profitable which is essentially what leads to much of the problem, then I'm sure that there is an explanantion that I as a slightly educated adult could folllow, that will inform why and how police time is being more importantly employed elsewhere, because from my uninformed position I reckon the above described is worth the trouble, well worth it.

If that's not the case then why is there not time for an investigation? If it is the case then if nothing else we as the public deserve that explanation, if we don't have the police force which is capable for reasons of staffing or otherwise of performing such functions, why are we forever being told that we shouldn't take police matters into out own hands? Is truly nothing to be done, nothing at all? The thieves win on a bye because the opposition don't even show up?

If that's the case we're well overdue an explanation.

It seems there were some mistakes made in this particular case, and I hope now that they've been brought to light that the case has been revisited. Sometimes it takes a bit of prodding but we usually get there in the end. Perhaps the guy even has his bike back! We're unlikely to find out though as good work by the Police is hardly ever published in the press.

You're right, you probably are due an explanation, as are we. I imagine that will only come from the Government though, who are unlikely to stop preaching the "we're doing better than the last lot" party line.

Want an example of one of my recent early shifts?

Started the shift with an Acting Sergeant plus 7 PC's. Our sergeant is covering the custody Sergeants position because he's off and they won't pay overtime for a replacement. A fairly serious assault had occurred at about midnight the night before in one of our towns, resulting in two properties having to have a scene guard front and rear. This is a result of Scenes of crime officers being reduced to one car to cover the force, and wouldn't be available for some hours. That took away the APS and 4 officers, leaving 3 officers and a Police traffic warden to cover 3 reasonable sized towns and an area of at least 700sq miles.

Due to the Scottish need for corroboration for pretty much everything, that leaves one effective unit, and one semi-effective one to cover the entire area. Unfortunately there's no money to get other officers out on double time, so we just have to make do, sorting out what we can by phone, or making arrangements to come another day. Is it a poor service? Of course it is, but you can only p*ss with the c*ck you've got.

The crimes will get investigated in due course, but with every delay opportunities are lost, and its frustrating for both the officers and the victims.

I dare say every officer in the country can recount similar stories.

When Constabulary duties to be done, a Policemans lot is not a happy one... :-dd

[Red Herring]

..... because from my uninformed position I reckon the above described is worth the trouble, well worth it..........


.....If that's the case we're well overdue an explanation.

Uninformed position?

You have actually read the previous nine pages haven't you?

[Biker Biggles]

My toys aren't out the pram, merely posted with a raised eyebrow. And you can't beat a smart-arsed comment at the end of a post for extra impact. =D>

I've reread your post and I can't take it any other way than how I read it in the first place. According to what I read, you did post your approach to yours, unless I'm confused about your use of "I am paid to do a job and I take pride in doing that job and strive to do it to the best of my ability."

Makes no odds at the end of the day what you think of me - if you call when I'm on duty, I'll still come and do the best I can, however much that may be.




It seems there were some mistakes made in this particular case, and I hope now that they've been brought to light that the case has been revisited. Sometimes it takes a bit of prodding but we usually get there in the end. Perhaps the guy even has his bike back! We're unlikely to find out though as good work by the Police is hardly ever published in the press.

You're right, you probably are due an explanation, as are we. I imagine that will only come from the Government though, who are unlikely to stop preaching the "we're doing better than the last lot" party line.

Want an example of one of my recent early shifts?

Started the shift with an Acting Sergeant plus 7 PC's. Our sergeant is covering the custody Sergeants position because he's off and they won't pay overtime for a replacement. A fairly serious assault had occurred at about midnight the night before in one of our towns, resulting in two properties having to have a scene guard front and rear. This is a result of Scenes of crime officers being reduced to one car to cover the force, and wouldn't be available for some hours. That took away the APS and 4 officers, leaving 3 officers and a Police traffic warden to cover 3 reasonable sized towns and an area of at least 700sq miles.

Due to the Scottish need for corroboration for pretty much everything, that leaves one effective unit, and one semi-effective one to cover the entire area. Unfortunately there's no money to get other officers out on double time, so we just have to make do, sorting out what we can by phone, or making arrangements to come another day. Is it a poor service? Of course it is, but you can only p*ss with the c*ck you've got.

The crimes will get investigated in due course, but with every delay opportunities are lost, and its frustrating for both the officers and the victims.

I dare say every officer in the country can recount similar stories.

When Constabulary duties to be done, a Policemans lot is not a happy one... :-dd

That sounds rather like "police bashing" to me;)See---we all do it.Even you:laughat:

[Reeder]

I wished I got paid double time for working over my contracted hours.
In fact, I wish I got PAID AT ALL for working longer than I should do, but I don't.

[Bluepete]

I wished I got paid double time for working over my contracted hours.
In fact, I wish I got PAID AT ALL for working longer than I should do, but I don't.

Neither do I.

Stick to what is true instead of throwing comments like that out.

[Reeder]

Started the shift with an Acting Sergeant plus 7 PC's. Our sergeant is covering the custody Sergeants position because he's off and they won't pay overtime for a replacement. A fairly serious assault had occurred at about midnight the night before in one of our towns, resulting in two properties having to have a scene guard front and rear. This is a result of Scenes of crime officers being reduced to one car to cover the force, and wouldn't be available for some hours. That took away the APS and 4 officers, leaving 3 officers and a Police traffic warden to cover 3 reasonable sized towns and an area of at least 700sq miles.

Due to the Scottish need for corroboration for pretty much everything, that leaves one effective unit, and one semi-effective one to cover the entire area. Unfortunately there's no money to get other officers out on double time, so we just have to make do, sorting out what we can by phone, or making arrangements to come another day.

Er Pete, correct me if I am wrong but is he not saying that to have extra officers they would be out on double time?

[Dean-J]

Well hasnt this turned into a bashing thread!

Lets look at the facts, there are GPS coordinates locating the bike to a block of garages. Of course the police cannot go and break open every door to find the bike.
How ****ed would you be if the police broke down the door to your garage, when you had done nothing wrong? you would want the damages paid for, and some compensation for your time having to stay with the garage to make sure no theiving scum could get in there and rob your stuff. or the police would have to leave a unit at the garages all day while the guys came in to repair all the doors. Its just not cost effective, and in these austere times, it simply is not going to happen.

I can fully appreciate how devastating it is to have your pride and joy stolen, and how horrible it is to have a good idea of where it is and yet not be able to do anything about it, but you cant expect the police to work above the laws they try so hard to uphold!

The police do their best, but that is all they ( or anyone for that matter) can do. Im no police fanboy, believe me, I have been on the wrong end of their stick a couple of times, but ya know what? even when i was being cuffed up and taken to the cells for something which no doubt would and did lead to time inside, i was still nice to them, and they were nice to me. They are doing a ****ty horrible job, and deserve far more respect than they get. They are normal people, just like you and me, except with far more pressure on their shoulders!

The bottom line is that this really is what insurance is for. The world is a ****ty place, and things dont always go the way we would like, im afraid we just have to live with it and move on.

Im sorry if that sounds harsh, but reality often is...

[metalmonkey]

The issue is that the way things are now, there is such a low confidence in police that the service is going have to have to improve this. How I don't know, tbh I don't really care its not my job to do that anymore.

The attitude of police is just beyond rude, most cops have their head so far up their own **** a crowbar couldn't even remove it walking around with some almighty god attitude. I can't think of anytime when myself, my family or mates have had a postive experince with any contact with the police. I got stopped earlier this year the first words out of the cops mouth were "do you wanna court do ya"? it took the female cop 5 minutes to explain why I had been pulled over, used the wrong caution and was fuc*ing rude to me and my mate.

The whole its insured don't worry about it just adds to this. Quite frankly the public shouldn't be expected to understand/know how the police works. The police should do the job without moaning, being rude and not be lazy. If I was display the attitue to my peers in my industry people simply wouldn't hire me.

[fizzwheel]

How ****ed would you be if the police broke down the door to your garage, when you had done nothing wrong?

I'd be cross, but if the police knocked on my door and said "We have belief that there is a stolen motorcycle in the vicinity and we would like you to open your garage so we can take a peak inside it"

I'd be more than happy to oblige. Its just a different way of handling the situation / scenario. I realise its more work, but how long would it realistically take to find that bike if it was in a block of 10 garages and surely the end goal of catching a criminal and getting the bike back to its rightful owner is a worthy one.

[Bluepete]

No Reeder, it says there's no money for extra cops.

[Messie]

MetalMonkey that is very much your own PERSONAL view of the police. myself, I've had nothing but respect and help from them (even when they stopped me speeding on my quite loud bike)

I think they do a difficult job in difficult circumstances, often with not enough resources. Sure they make mistakes, and there are one or two bad ones, but overall my view of them is positive.

[-Ralph-]

The issue is that the way things are now, there is such a low confidence in police that the service is going have to have to improve this. How I don't know, tbh I don't really care its not my job to do that anymore.

The attitude of police is just beyond rude, most cops have their head so far up their own **** a crowbar couldn't even remove it walking around with some almighty god attitude. I can't think of anytime when myself, my family or mates have had a postive experince with any contact with the police. I got stopped earlier this year the first words out of the cops mouth were "do you wanna court do ya"? it took the female cop 5 minutes to explain why I had been pulled over, used the wrong caution and was fuc*ing rude to me and my mate.

The whole its insured don't worry about it just adds to this. Quite frankly the public shouldn't be expected to understand/know how the police works. The police should do the job without moaning, being rude and not be lazy. If I was display the attitue to my peers in my industry people simply wouldn't hire me.

OK, NOW it's police bashing :lol:

[metalmonkey]

MetalMonkey that is very much your own PERSONAL view of the police. myself, I've had nothing but respect and help from them (even when they stopped me speeding on my quite loud bike)

I think they do a difficult job in difficult circumstances, often with not enough resources. Sure they make mistakes, and there are one or two bad ones, but overall my view of them is positive.

That it may be, I have many friends who aren't English and have nothing but grief from the police from a young age and as adults it hasn't stopped. I should point out, we are all educated and work.

Also from my experince in the force I have seen it happen, the police are still racist here is why. From Paddington police station there was a "white only van" in which only white police officers were allowed to ride in say to Belgrave Police station. This was in the past two years, so its still going on.

Not to mention my housemate had a rather nasty encounter with a cop yesterday, she was only trying to home. There was need for that cops behaviour.

[Bluepete]

Also from my experince in the force I have seen it happen, the police are still racist here is why. From Paddington police station there was a "white only van" in which only white police officers were allowed to ride in say to Belgrave Police station. This was in the past two years, so its still going on.

That's just wrong, and if it's still going on, it would only take one phone call to sort it. The modern police force is so scared of racism, that it would be dealt with and the fools who perpetuate it and those who allow it to perpetuate would be in deep doo doo very fast.

Did you ever report it whilst there?

Pete ;)

[Bluepete]

We're all too busy ignoring important and informative signs to do any work...


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk24/conker51/keepclear.jpg


Yes, that is in a Police Station.

Pete ;)

[metalmonkey]

That's just wrong, and if it's still going on, it would only take one phone call to sort it. The modern police force is so scared of racism, that it would be dealt with and the fools who perpetuate it and those who allow it to perpetuate would be in deep doo doo very fast.

Did you ever report it whilst there?

Pete ;)

It had been dealth with by the time I heard about it, but the point is that it is still allowed to happen. I'm not saying that everyone is like that never have. Its is a worry that this allowed to happen, in the first place.