Racist Tram Rant

[jonny.boyd]

Not sure if anyone has seen this yet but what are your thoughts?

Here's the youtube vid:

Edit - I've removed this because of the language in the video - Fizz

And the bbc news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15923875

So what are people's thoughts?

I find it absolutely disgusting! That women is a disgrace to the British people, and i'm personally glad that she's been arrested for it!

[Binky]

I saw this earlier. It's disgusting and hate to think any other countries seeing this and thinking that England is generally like that.

I give it a day or two before someone who knows her and her neighborhood smashes her property/face/general scummy life.

P.S. I wonder if she was under the influence at all during this?

[MisterTommyH]

I'm quite surprised that she didn't get smacked.

Also sounds like she's not quite sober. I would have thought that was a breech of the peace at least? But doesn't it need someone on the bus to make a complaint?

Edit: After seeing binky's post, I don't think it's alcohol she on. Model British citizen she is....

[maviczap]

Was she ****ed out of her head?

Obviously not done her diversity course at work then

Her language in front of her boy and other kids was disgraceful.

Sadly there are people like this everywhere

[jonny.boyd]

She must have been on something to have an outburst like that.

Either that or she has mental illness'

I do completely agree with you though, If someone else was to see this from another country I would hate for to think that we are all like this..

[Binky]

I do completely agree with you though, If someone else was to see this from another country I would hate for to think that we are all like this..

Same with the riots earlier this year. It ended up just being dicks wanting new TV's and trainers. Embarrassing for England again.

[600+]

If someone else was to see this from another country I would hate for to think that we are all like this..

:silent:

:-dd

[xXBADGERXx]

We not "U" rated anymore ?

[Binky]

We not "U" rated anymore ?

No, **** off!

[xXBADGERXx]

No, **** off!

You just earnt yourself some special "Badger" treatment on the next Rideout/AR :)

[MisterTommyH]

We not "U" rated anymore ?

Theres nothing in that clip that a kid couldn't hear from it's mother on a tram in Croydon.

[jonny.boyd]

We not "U" rated anymore ?

Apologies! Never thought about that!

MOD: could you please put something in title so people know it's not 'U rated'

[xXBADGERXx]

Theres nothing in that clip that a kid couldn't hear from it's mother on a tram in Croydon.

There`s plenty in that clip that could land people in hot water if they were viewing this at work , as a lot of ORGers have been known to do

[Binky]

There`s plenty in that clip that could land people in hot water if they were viewing this at work , as a lot of ORGers have been known to do

It's all part of the org roulette. Sometime you lose your job, sometimes you don't. O:)

[fizzwheel]

I've added a warning to the thread title. Its been reported and a threads up in the mods corner for discussion over suitability.

I'll leave it there for now.

[xXBADGERXx]

Anyway , title has been changed , so at least people have a heads up . Back on topic ......... it`s a shameful display and it won`t be long before she is outed and found . She certainly sounded like she was "influenced" in some way .

[andrewsmith]

Theres nothing in that clip that a kid couldn't hear from it's mother on a tram in Croydon.

Sadly I hear language like this in front of kids on a near daily basis.
Some that hang round the monument are wastes of oxygen and I have heard language like that and one or two have been decked.

Another own goal for England and how supposedly we're tolerant

[Geodude]

Shocking rant, but i would like to know what set her off? I hear language like that daily from kids..

[MisterTommyH]

To be honest I think I'd get in more trouble at work for the racist content of the clip rather than the language!

Somehow I think she'll get less hassle than the woman who put the cat in the bin. Shame really.

[454697819]

she is not well,

she needs help

She is probably schizophrenic for one reason or another

[xXBADGERXx]

Somehow I think she'll get less hassle than the woman who put the cat in the bin. Shame really.

It could go either way really , it will be condemned but in the same light there are those of the narrowest minds that will idolise her opinion

[Specialone]

Nothing wrong with freedom of speech ;)

What a pleasant life her child has ahead of it with a mom like that, shame we can't ship her back somewhere.

Other side of the coin, next time I see radical Muslims on the tv or in person spouting their crap, I expect the police to arrest them for exactly the same thing, do you think they will ?

Btw, she's defo slurring her words a bit so on something or other.

[Sid Squid]

I think she's a stupid bigot - but I'm not pleased she's been arrested for it.

People should be able to have any disgusting stupid attitude they want, and indeed mouth off about it if they want to, even if I find it offensive they shouldn't be arrested for it, racism is daft, but it's strange how exposing your daftness in this manner is now viewed as a 'crime'. Why is being a mouthy racist worthy of the Police time to arrest someone when actual victim crimes that Police effort could do something about are apparently not worthy?

Such as: Link (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=173029) and Link (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2631291&postcount=26) and those two instances mentioned on just this one forum in the last few days.

Of course 'being offended' seems to be the very worst thing that can happen to anyone nowadays - how soft and ridiculous our society has become. And how pathetically cowed our collective mentality now is. I'm daily offended by some or other fool - but my not being a member of a politically exploitable minority means no-one will be arrested for it.

As I await the squealed accusation of racism that my opinion will bring forth from the typical idiots, I shall contemplate the impossibility of having a sensible discussion on the subject, as no deviation from the presently accepted 'appropriate' nu-thought is allowable.

[xXBADGERXx]

Well Sid , perfectly plausable and the nail on the head as far as our wishy washy society has become . Back in the old days you got your heads banged together and told to get on with it .

[Binky]

I think she's a stupid bigot - but I'm not pleased she's been arrested for it.

People should be able to have any disgusting stupid attitude they want, and indeed mouth off about it if they want to, even if I find it offensive they shouldn't be arrested for it, racism is daft, but it's strange how exposing your daftness in this manner is now viewed as a 'crime'. Why is being a mouthy racist worthy of the Police time to arrest someone when actual victim crimes that Police effort could do something about are apparently not worthy?

Such as: Link (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=173029) and Link (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2631291&postcount=26) and those two instances mentioned on just this one forum in the last few days.

Of course 'being offended' seems to be the very worst thing that can happen to anyone nowadays - how soft and ridiculous our society has become. And how pathetically cowed our collective mentality now is. I'm daily offended by some or other fool - but my not being a member of a politically exploitable minority means no-one will be arrested for it.

As I await the squealed accusation of racism that my opinion will bring forth from the typical idiots, I shall contemplate the impossibility of having a sensible discussion on the subject, as no deviation from the presently accepted 'appropriate' nu-thought is allowable.

Not considering all the point here i think. The comments, at the very least, are just offensive. They could go on to mentally annoy/harm/torture certain people, possibly affecting thier lives or choice to live in this country. And if this tram bint isn't cautioned, arrested or whatever then many others may feel it ok to behave like this.

If it happened while i was on a train, i would feel very uncomfortable and probably say something, even if the comments weren't directed at me.

Your points earlier didn't seem to encompass all the outcomes in my eyes...

[Biker Biggles]

Racist trams?What next?Sexist busses.
I do think showing people making idiots of themselves like this is far more productive in combating racism than criminalising it though.Same as banning the bnp.Better to let them tie themselves in knots in public

[xXBADGERXx]

In the same light , the only positive action I have seen recently was to outlaw the types of groups that burn poppies on Rememberance Parades . It takes a big Iron to smooth out all the Wrinkles , and this is the tip of a simmering Iceberg that is only going to get fuelled up . Now I put another point to you ..... how many here would tell her to cram her yap and pipe down ?

[Messie]

Nothing wrong with a good debate about racism. In a similar vein there's nothing wrong with a good sensible discussiion about child pornography.
But like the second example, I don't think we need to have an example of it in front of us on this forum, in order for us to have a discussion.
To some, a few, people, such a clip as in the OP will only serve to support their own views

[cb1000rsteve]

I don't think she should be arrested for speaking her mind. Britain is suppose to be a free country. That fellow with the hook seems to be able to preach bad things and not get arrested. Not that i agree with her point of view. And the lady she was arguing with made a great point. 'We do the jobs you didn't want'. Never a truer word spoken!!

[fizzwheel]

I've removed the youtube link because of the bad language, but left the link to the BBC website, that way we stick with the U rating, but debate / discussion can continue.

[dizzyblonde]

Theres nothing in that clip that a kid couldn't hear from it's mother on a tram in Croydon.

Perhaps so, but it wasn't really necessary to post it on here, the BBC link would have sufficed.

I was appalled to see that vid posted without a thought for the U rating. Although nothng wrong with a provocation for a healthy debate of course ;)

[kiggles]

racism and stereo types are always going to exist. opinions are always going to clash.

but there is a time and a place for everything, and sitting on a tram (public place) shouting your mouth off isn't a good place to share an opinion like this.

This is not the only time when opinions in public have caused alot of problems such as the burning of the union jack at the royal wedding this year by Muslim groups.

or the lack of respect to remembrance day and its memorials where poppies are burnt and statues graffiti on.


but this is a country we live in and we have to accept this crap happens and ignore the small amount of people who are out there to cause such distress. I am sure the lady will get some form of punishment for what she has done, which is to no surprise. But this story is currently all over the media and people making a big deal out of it on facebook a case which has been clearly dealt with properly.

but i can think of alot worse scenarios of racism / stereotypes have been used. where people have gotten away with saying / doing some of the worst things yet no one makes sucha big deal of it.

to all those people that advertised that rubbish should stop the spreading of this clearly insulting video which is probably going to cause people to hate British people as so many people are publishing it. Making the whole thing worse?

[Sid Squid]

Not considering all the point here i think. I await your response informing me what I missed.
The comments, at the very least, are just offensive. They could go on to mentally annoy/harm/torture certain people,
The comments at worst are just offensive, and there could be little green men on Mars. Your comment is somewhat of an extrapolation - a loudmouth idiot holding a child seems an unlikely assailant to me, and there's still that the only thing done is stupidity loudly, why talk it up into something it isn't? To make a point perhaps?
possibly affecting thier lives or choice to live in this country.
There are million attitudes that might affect that decision - this one isn't special.
And if this tram bint isn't cautioned, arrested or whatever then many others may feel it ok to behave like this. Bint? Bint? I think you'll find that's sexist language - how could you? Someone might be offended you know.
But ignoring that insensitive term for a moment, take a second to realise that the only difference in what you wrote right there and what the woman on the tram said, is what you consider 'acceptable' in your personal mores - and there's no better example of subjectivity than that. Where do we stop with an attitude like yours? Free speech is a double edged sword - long may it swing.
If it happened while i was on a train, i would feel very uncomfortable and probably say something, even if the comments weren't directed at me.
Is this intended to be in response to my post? Not sure what you're getting at there.
Your points earlier didn't seem to encompass all the outcomes in my eyes...
I'm not sure what you mean by that comment either, or is it simply intended to suggest your greater understanding of the circumstance? Perhaps you just didn't want them to?

PS. What's unsaid in your last sentence?

[Stuuk1]

Someone has to stand up and say something, and in my opinion it is only going to get worse, not better as many people think.

If we continue to allow such a wide variety of people in to a small country with so many different religions, what do people expect?

Myself, coming from working on building sites where occasionally I am the only English person there, and even have had to use an interpreter just to have a conversation with another electrician... its insane, and its all in my country.

I have a friend who is a far left labour supporter. He absolutely loves the fact we bring a wide variety of people in to boost the economy... from another forum he just posted this:

'If it weren't for the Poles there are a billion things in London that wouldn't get built'.

Problem is with him, he says this from his office chair while he earns 100k per year...

There was no need for the woman in the video to use such language and yes she clearly needs help. However I feel she has a valid point and yes, if you look at the other people on that bus... Its hardly what I would call England anymore, and I am by no means proud to be British.

[Binky]

I await your response informing me what I missed.

The fact of other negative outcomes after her comments.

The comments at worst are just offensive, and there could be little green men on Mars. Your comment is somewhat of an extrapolation - a loudmouth idiot holding a child seems an unlikely assailant to me, and there's still that the only thing done is stupidity loudly, why talk it up into something it isn't? To make a point perhaps?

There are million attitudes that might affect that decision - this one isn't special.

Agreed. But it could still contribute and have negative outcomes on a persons emotions and life, therefore why should it be ignored just because there are others. This degree of hatred seems to step over the line.

Bint? Bint? I think you'll find that's sexist language - how could you? Someone might be offended you know.
But ignoring that insensitive term for a moment, take a second to realise that the only difference in what you wrote right there and what the woman on the tram said, is what you consider 'acceptable' in your personal mores - and there's no better example of subjectivity than that. Where do we stop with an attitude like yours? Free speech is a double edged sword - long may it swing.

Well i would say given her behaviour and the, now disliking i have for said tram women, i feel fine using a derogatory term that just so happens to be gender specific. In no way am i being sexist, just offensive (if she were to here it.) My comment differs from hers as she has provoked an emotion in me, whereas her remakrs appear (from the film) to be unprovoked.


Is this intended to be in response to my post? Not sure what you're getting at there.

No. I was only stating that if this happened and i was there i would have intervened to ask her to stop, due to the atmosphere and situation.

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment either, or is it simply intended to suggest your greater understanding of the circumstance? Perhaps you just didn't want them to?

I don't feel i have a greater understanding of the situation. I do however feel my views take into account a lot more of the outcomes, causes and effects though. I appreciate your opinions and certainly relate and agree to things you've said, i just feel your statements are just (ever so slightly) more narrow minded than mine.

[Binky]

Its hardly what I would call England anymore, and I am by no means proud to be British.

Ditto. But because of horrible intolerant people like her. I couldn't give a hoot if foreigners came to live in this country as long as they contribute and abide to society and law. Fair enough? It's one whole world, i'm, personally, not that bothered by borders or language constraints.

[Lozzo]

Someone has to stand up and say something, and in my opinion it is only going to get worse, not better as many people think.

If we continue to allow such a wide variety of people in to a small country with so many different religions, what do people expect?

Myself, coming from working on building sites where occasionally I am the only English person there, and even have had to use an interpreter just to have a conversation with another electrician... its insane, and its all in my country.

I have a friend who is a far left labour supporter. He absolutely loves the fact we bring a wide variety of people in to boost the economy... from another forum he just posted this:

'If it weren't for the Poles there are a billion things in London that wouldn't get built'.

Problem is with him, he says this from his office chair while he earns 100k per year...

There was no need for the woman in the video to use such language and yes she clearly needs help. However I feel she has a valid point and yes, if you look at the other people on that bus... Its hardly what I would call England anymore, and I am by no means proud to be British.

Thanks for that view - I'll get back in my banana boat and paddle back to all my spaghetti-wog friends in my home country of Malta asap

[MisterTommyH]

Ha ha Lozzo, don't you mean your charabanc?

I don't get it when people say it's just not Britain anymore? Britain has always been multi-cultural.

Unless your a celt or a pict then you're not native British.

In the last couple of hundred years we had an empire so wide that people from all over the world have come and lived here. Diversity is what makes Britain Britain.

And tolerance is what sets up apart from the USA.

Only places with a better attitude are the Australasians.

[TamSV]

I don't get it when people say it's just not Britain anymore? Britain has always been multi-cultural.

Quite so.

Before we made it to Scotland, one distant branch of my family came over from Burgundy in 1066 (an away win for us).

Keep England French I say.

[SIII]

I think you'll find that them frenchie's that came over were actually Normans - which translates as Men of the North - Norsemen - Vikings!

[TamSV]

Now I don't know where to **** off back to.

[Specialone]

Racism has always existed in some form throughout history so it's no modern day phenomenon and will probably exist for many years to come.

It also isn't just unique to whites either ( being the perpetrators) "no whites after 7pm" signs in small heath in brum anyone?

Race riots a few years ago in perry Barr, brum, between Asians and blacks, no whites involved.


My own view is I take people as I find them whatever their colour or race and will no doubt find some to be ok and some to dislike, this doesn't mean I want to be a minority in my street.

People who are all for letting this countries Borders wide open and let's embrace the rest of the world are a bit naive tbh, the incoming masses won't integrate, all they want to do is find their own communities and join them so it's a home from home.
I guarantee, if you were the only Englishman in a street surrounded by another race etc you'd feel uncomfortable and maybe a different attitude towards them, you'd certainly have a dose of racism, towards you not from you.

I 100% am certain we need to close our Borders right now and keep them closed as this small island cannot sustain the unnatural population growth that immigration or migration brings, whatever race they are.
This is not racism, it's simple maths.

I personally don't want this countries identity to be lost and become predominantly Asian or black or polish etc.

Oh well, we are all different I guess, I just hope other races and cultures are as tolerant as us in the future.

[Specialone]

Now I don't know where to **** off back to.

'Anywhere as long it's not next door to me' ;)



*kidding Tam*

[TamSV]

I tried that. Lived in Brum from 1997 to 2003. I was even abused once by a Brummie for taking a locals job, which amused me greatly (I'd actually opened a business that didn't previously exist and had created several new jobs).

I don't think closing the borders is practical. Even if it were possible, you end up with daft situations where our universities educate foreign scientists and then, when they're qualified, chuck them out the country.

You can't fault people for wanting to come to this country to better themselves. They have had great opportunities to do so because we have allowed a system of benefits to develop that discourages the local population from taking up unskilled manual work.

[metalangel]

I don't think she should be arrested for speaking her mind. Britain is suppose to be a free country.

Freedom of Speech does not cover hate speech or stuff intended to incite.

Only places with a better attitude are the Australasians.

I'm not sure, with their 'abbos' and 'wog boys'.

[robh539]

Yes it was offensive, and wrong in my mind. Its not the first time, any of us have heard these things be said before and it wont be the last. See what i find amusing is that people don't take it at face value and see her for what she/they are. That's the trouble these days, yes we have gone soft..... the human race has! We are to busy looking at other people judging etc on there lives or actions. It if has no impact on your life why bother, just get on with making yours a happy place and having fun. Leave the bigots and small minded people to get on with sad lonely lives.
Since the first sea crossing boat was produced, people have come and gone from one country or another. Its not a new thing, its how we became the British empire/commonwealth and for a while ruler of the world pretty much. We as a nation attacked and and stole wealth and what ever else we could get. This is what these bigots are proud of, sounds a little familiar doesn't it? But they are not particularly educated or bright. We need a nation of workers, not idle bums. Natural selection will get them in the end with comments like these.

[MisterTommyH]

Phil, I agree it's not just white people who are offenders, and it's inherant for us (humans) to gather in our own 'tribes' and be against others - probably an old hunter gatherer instinct or something.

The problem is that, while her rant mentions recent Polish immigrants, it is mostly a huge bigoted rant based on racism alone.

Racism and immigration are two distinct issues (not denying that there is a link between the two). You can't deny that Britain has brought other races here when it suited us for generations. These people are now British, are part of our culture and it wouldn't be 'Britain' without them. People like this woman tend not to be able to distinguish between the two situations.

I agree our borders are too open, but can't conceive why that would make me rant about all black people or all poles. Maybe I am naive, but a persons colour or origin makes no difference to me (unless I'm chanting at the Ozzies during the Ashes, which I see as acceptable, provided that it's accepted by both sides and truly meant in jest).

[Owenski]

Her methods are questionable but she has a right to her opinion.

[The Idle Biker]

Phil, I agree it's not just white people who are offenders, and it's inherant for us (humans) to gather in our own 'tribes' and be against others - probably an old hunter gatherer instinct or something.

The problem is that, while her rant mentions recent Polish immigrants, it is mostly a huge bigoted rant based on racism alone.

Racism and immigration are two distinct issues (not denying that there is a link between the two). You can't deny that Britain has brought other races here when it suited us for generations. These people are now British, are part of our culture and it wouldn't be 'Britain' without them. People like this woman tend not to be able to distinguish between the two situations.

I agree our borders are too open, but can't conceive why that would make me rant about all black people or all poles. Maybe I am naive, but a persons colour or origin makes no difference to me (unless I'm chanting at the Ozzies during the Ashes, which I see as acceptable, provided that it's accepted by both sides and truly meant in jest).

That's a good post.

[Stuuk1]

Ditto. But because of horrible intolerant people like her. I couldn't give a hoot if foreigners came to live in this country as long as they contribute and abide to society and law. Fair enough? It's one whole world, i'm, personally, not that bothered by borders or language constraints.


Totally agree.

Lozzo, Sorry, didnt mean it to sound like it did, got carried away. What Binky has said is what I should have included..

[andrewsmith]

(unless I'm chanting at the Ozzies during the Ashes, which I see as acceptable, provided that it's accepted by both sides and truly meant in jest).

What like...

"we get 3 Dollars to the Pound"* at 7am in the Morning :lol:

*This is a well know Ozzie comedians pot shot a the Geordies

Anyways I agree with Phil on this as simple maths means the country now has No vacancies.
The sustainable UK population was calculated to be around the 60 million mark (Enough land and space to live safely and comfortably, and we don't suffer black-out or shortages). The UK is around 67 million at present (and we're currently having a mini baby boom at the minute)

[Kenzie]

I find it strange when the woman who is ranting asks the other person to politely f-off back to where they came from. I half expected the other person to say "what London?" No need for it. The DM had the vid and her face on their site yesterday, but now it's censored and the vid is gone.

[SoulKiss]

To be fair, she HAD just gotten a text from her black Polish bf dumping her...

[Binky]

To be fair, she HAD just gotten a text from her black Polish bf dumping her...

Is that the one that was a quarter "Siber-Aguan" too?

[Sid Squid]

The fact of other negative outcomes after her comments.
Why is this negativity special? People can and do get offended by all sorts, this is no exception.

Agreed. But it could still contribute and have negative outcomes on a persons emotions and life, therefore why should it be ignored just because there are others. This degree of hatred seems to step over the line.
See above. Line? Any 'line' is arbitrary, and ultimately therefore personal, I can't think of a worse measurement for making law with.

Well i would say given her behaviour and the, now disliking i have for said tram women, i feel fine using a derogatory term that just so happens to be gender specific.
So, let me get this straight, her derogatory language is unacceptable, but yours is OK.

i just feel your statements are just (ever so slightly) more narrow minded than mine.
I don't get this, and I certainly don't see how it can be so - I want all speech to be free, you want to restrict parts of it. How can my view possibly be narrower than yours?

Freedom of Speech does not cover hate speech
Not free then is it?

Can't pick and choose - either we do or don't have free speech.

Incite
What incitement?

We cannot hope to legislate a responsible attitude and tongue, we cannot shape people's minds by attempting to mandate the words they may or may not use.

[Binky]

Why is this negativity special? People can and do get offended by all sorts, this is no exception.

You're repeating yourself here. Maybe i wasn't clear when questioning your previous comment. :confused:

So, let me get this straight, her derogatory language is unacceptable, but yours is OK.

I'm not saying mine is ok, i was simply stating that calling her a bint could be more understandable given her behavior. She basically caused me to dislike her because of her actions. The foreign immigrants she states on the tram have done nothing illegal or provoke her in any way. Thier behaviour is fine, why shouldn't they be allowed to live and work here. Does that make sense? :)



I'm going to stop replying to your posts now. Not because of any bad feelings, i just feel i'm not being articulate enough while typing and am struggling to get my points across. This'd be far easier in person and this will start going in circles if i keep replying. I enjoyed reading your points though. :)

[-Ralph-]

Just look at her and remind yourself of the white trash we are producing in the UK! The poor kid on her lap hasn't got a chance in life. The tram may have been full of black people, but I'd guess that every one of them is more worthy of a place in UK society than she is.

YouTube ID is i47HoiM0Au8

[The Idle Biker]

I have to confess that I went back to my old stomping ground in West London last week, to have a mate to do some work on my car at his Garage. I took the Underground to work, the first time from that area in years. I texted my Wife that I was only one of two white people on a packed train carriage. Didn't feel threatened, all totally decent people as far as I could see, but didn't like it.

Now I consider myself a veteran of a few punch ups against NF and BNP eejits back in the day, but I've got to admit there's a small part of me feeling a bit of the frustration that she and others that have posted on here might feel. I think it's natural instinct and somehow genetically programmed, you just have to decide whether to go with it and let it consume you and make you hate or resent others or try to rally against it and try to make things work.

I try to do the later, but it's getting harder.

[Bluefish]

There will soon become a point where there are more other nationalities than white british in this country, and there will come atime when you have to pick your fight, population explosion, no food /money, economy debt, housing, global warming, jobs, wars etc etc, Makes me wonder why people have kids nowadays, not like we need any more people is it, i for one, oh and this just reminded me of the film Seven, what kind of world are we bringing our children into? Bit of a ramble i know but my thoughts nether the less, discuss.

[metalangel]

There will soon become a point where there are more other nationalities than white british in this country,

The 2001 Census shows White British people are still 86.5% of the population.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/census-2001-summary-theme-figures-and-rankings/summary-theme-figures-and-rankings/ethnicity-and-religion---census-2001-summary-theme-figures-and-rankings.xls

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity

[maviczap]

The 2001 Census shows White British people are still 86.5% of the population.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/census-2001-summary-theme-figures-and-rankings/summary-theme-figures-and-rankings/ethnicity-and-religion---census-2001-summary-theme-figures-and-rankings.xls

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity


Yes, but there are places where white British are in the minority, like the Idle Biker said in his earlier post and I found the same on a trip to Croydonia a couple of weeks ago, White British are the minority.

But in my home town, its more like 99% white British

[MisterTommyH]

Why does someone who is white British have more right to be here than someone who is 5th or 6th generation non-white British?

[Owenski]

I think I can sum up the thoughts of most in 2 lines:
There is no problem with people immigrating,
There is a huge problem with those who fail to integrate.

Its as natural for those who move here to seek solice in areas close to people who share their culture as it is for nationals to feel intimidated by areas coloured by foreign cultre.

As bikers its generally assuemed that we dislike the Audi/BMW crowd because there are those of us who have had a negative experiance with this executive driving style they've been known to adopt. However that is judgment made on the actions of a few which then dictate our opinions of the mass.

IMHO this is no different, if you've had several hard experiances with Asian, Polish, Black or Middle Eastern nationality people then you're more than likely to presume that entire nation are of similar vaine. Rightly or wrongly as that assumtion may be you are no more a criminal than someone who no longer eats BBQ food after hugging porcelin for a weekend after having a dodgy one simply put your experiances have lead you to be wary.

[metalangel]

Yes, but there are places where white British are in the minority, like the Idle Biker said in his earlier post and I found the same on a trip to Croydonia a couple of weeks ago, White British are the minority.

But in my home town, its more like 99% white British

So? My office is in a predominantly Asian neighbourhood in Cardiff, it's not a big deal. Are you saying it should be spread evenly throughout the country?

[maviczap]

So? My office is in a predominantly Asian neighbourhood in Cardiff, it's not a big deal. Are you saying it should be spread evenly throughout the country?

No, but your viewpoint maybe affected if you are in the minority

[Binky]

I think I can sum up the thoughts of most in 2 lines:
There is no problem with people immigrating,
There is a huge problem with those who fail to integrate.

Its as natural for those who move here to seek solice in areas close to people who share their culture as it is for nationals to feel intimidated by areas coloured by foreign cultre.

As bikers its generally assuemed that we dislike the Audi/BMW crowd because there are those of us who have had a negative experiance with this executive driving style they've been known to adopt. However that is judgment made on the actions of a few which then dictate our opinions of the mass.

IMHO this is no different, if you've had several hard experiances with Asian, Polish, Black or Middle Eastern nationality people then you're more than likely to presume that entire nation are of similar vaine. Rightly or wrongly as that assumtion may be you are no more a criminal than someone who no longer eats BBQ food after hugging porcelin for a weekend after having a dodgy one simply put your experiances have lead you to be wary.

http://www.madtomatoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Facebook-Like-Button-big.jpg

Pretty sure she's been arrested now. Read it somewhere...

[metalangel]

No, but your viewpoint maybe affected if you are in the minority

On the one hand, it is a bit unusual the first time you experience being the ethnic minority (for me it ,was going to Barbados). But on the other, those around you may look different but they're still British, right? I don't walk through Canton, see all the folks from India who make the up majority of the population here and think they're all out to take my job and lifestyle away any more than I think the (white) Welsh people five minute's walk away in the city centre are.

What I wasn't sure of from bluefishman's post was the comment about 'picking your fight'. I don't want to read something unpleasant into it.

[maviczap]

On the one hand, it is a bit unusual the first time you experience being the ethnic minority (for me it ,was going to Barbados). But on the other, those around you may look different but they're still British, right? I don't walk through Canton, see all the folks from India who make the up majority of the population here and think they're all out to take my job and lifestyle away any more than I think the (white) Welsh people five minute's walk away in the city centre are.

True

[timwilky]

Strange isn't it. As a football fan and season ticket holder, I certainly do not see the racism on the terraces that existed in the 70s. Gone are the days of crowds monkey chants. Although it is probably more underground in that you can educate people about what is acceptable behavoir. You cannot however educate them about what are acceptable thoughts (thank god).

Racism is the result of ignorance, a fear and dislike of the unknown. Like many I do claim to have black and asian friends. However, these friends are all professionals. they live in normal communities and are as integrated and English as the next. Although, they all hold onto their cultural and religious heritage.

I have worked all over the world and generally felt quite safe. Kids all over have shout "hello mister" in China, Indonesia, etc. Proud to be able to say something in English. Only once in Hong Kong did I feel I was in an area I should not be.

I can understand resentment from the "under classes" who feel disadvantaged as a result of immigration. But without immigration the NHS would be desperately short of doctors. The traditional mill towns of Lancashire are ghetto towns resulting from the import of cheap 50s fodder for the mills brought in from the sub continent and 3 generations of deprivation and ignorance. I hear muttering about eastern Europeans who will no doubt be accused and treated as badly.

[dizzyblonde]

I think I can sum up the thoughts of most in 2 lines:
There is no problem with people immigrating,
There is a huge problem with those who fail to integrate.

Its as natural for those who move here to seek solice in areas close to people who share their culture as it is for nationals to feel intimidated by areas coloured by foreign cultre.

As bikers its generally assuemed that we dislike the Audi/BMW crowd because there are those of us who have had a negative experiance with this executive driving style they've been known to adopt. However that is judgment made on the actions of a few which then dictate our opinions of the mass.

IMHO this is no different, if you've had several hard experiances with Asian, Polish, Black or Middle Eastern nationality people then you're more than likely to presume that entire nation are of similar vaine. Rightly or wrongly as that assumtion may be you are no more a criminal than someone who no longer eats BBQ food after hugging porcelin for a weekend after having a dodgy one simply put your experiances have lead you to be wary.

I think this, might be a nice illustration............

RS3iB47nQ6E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS3iB47nQ6E