View Full Version : Replacing the SV - is there anything better?
I'm looking to replace my dying SV and I'm after a few suggestions on bikes I should be getting out and test riding, because currently I'm leaning towards just buying another SV - it's such a great bike I'm not convinced I can find anything I'll like more but replacing like-for-like is just no fun...
I ride around 10k miles a year, probably ~60% city riding, 20% motorway/dual carriageway and 20% b-road blasting - given the proportion of that that's city riding I'm reluctant to get anything much heavier than the SV, which is a pretty hard criteria to meet, so I might have to compromise there. I'm currently looking at the Fazer8, the speed or street triple, the Sprint ST, the VFR750 (weight's the only thing putting me off that one) - price isn't all that important, I'll spend more if convinced I'll get my money's worth. Also going to get out and try a gsxr600, but I intend on doing some reasonably long-distance touring next year so not sure a full-on sports bike would work out for me.
I'd prefer half faired, like the SVS, but there's very little like that out there as far as I can tell. Any other suggestions for bikes I should be testing/considering, or thoughts on the ones above, from an SV rider's perspective? Or is the SV simply the best thing out there, given how much I love the V-twin grunt/torque, throw-ability and the fact that pristine-condition used ones can be had for <£2500?
squirrel_hunter
09-12-11, 01:25 PM
After I bought my second SV I always regretted not trying a TL1000 for size.
carelesschucca
09-12-11, 01:56 PM
You could look at its closest competitor and have a try on an Kawasaki ER6F, I know a few people who have them and love them, I prefer the look of the naked version.
If you don't need a fairing have a look at the Triumph Street 675 but thats just me, I'm biased, its not that practical for touring but its light very easy to ride. Having said that I've done 600 miles over a couple of days two up and both of us got back to the house wanting to get on and go out and do some more miles.
The older 600 sports bikes aren't really any more uncomfortable to tour on than the SV. I found my GSX-R600 K3 a better bike to tour on as it was smoother and happier to sit at high speeds. They of course don't have that v twin grunt but OMG you will fall in love with that top end scream.
The best thing you can do is go out and try as many different bikes as you can, you may surprise yourself and get something unexpected.
mister c
09-12-11, 02:12 PM
I have fallen in love with Triumphs now after hating mine 12 months ago. They sound awesome, are really smooth, are fairly frugal on the juice (if you ride like a grandad like me) & go like Sh** off a shovel.
I have thought of other bikes like the Aprillia Shiver & the ER6, so could be worth a look. :)
The ER is V nice try one .
SUPERSTARDJ01
09-12-11, 03:50 PM
There are lots of bikes better than the SV650 TBH they really arn't that great once you have ridden something else, more refined and better built, the SV is cheap and cheerful, try a street/speed or even an SV1000? Try some more bikes and you will see the SV feels slow and very cheap/vibbey.
squirrel_hunter
09-12-11, 03:59 PM
You could look at its closest competitor and have a try on an Kawasaki ER6F, I know a few people who have them and love them, I prefer the look of the naked version.
I have thought of other bikes like the Aprillia Shiver & the ER6, so could be worth a look. :)
The ER is V nice try one .
The ER6 compaired to the SV is no contest. The SV is by far the better bike. More powerful, better handling, better suspension, better brakes. If you are looking for something better than a SV the ER6 is not where you should be looking.
I've gone from my sv650s to a z750r and have really fallen for it. As much as i miss the v-twin grunt the top end of an IL4 is just sooo much fun. Although not as good at higher speeds due to it being a naked, but that just keeps speed sub 100 for the most part which is never a bad thing. On the weight side of things, its really not noticeable exsept when picking up after crashing :rolleyes:
In comparison to the ER6f as mention, a friend has one and the seating position is far more upright and doesn't appear to handle as well as the sv650 but have never rode it more then just around a car park.
hardhat_harry
09-12-11, 04:06 PM
Street Triple
Owenski
09-12-11, 04:25 PM
Rather than asking "is there anything better?" ask "Those who no longer own an SV, would you look to buy another in the future"
If people look to return to something after sampling the competition, then that best displays its suitability.
I for one look forward to once again owning an SV :) although I'd be tempted to go naked next time.
this has been done to death but i'm going to say it anyway. why change something you are happy with when you could just upgrade it. the SV once tricked out is a very very competent bike. it may be me but i see no need to change mine now that it has been done as it does everything i ever ask it to do. i went a bit overboard and spent more that i should have but i intend to keep it for a very long time, but even so looking at what i spent and what i made back on bits i sold i have spent around £600 extra. that £600 in my book has been worth every single penny every time i take it out for a spin.
dizzyblonde
09-12-11, 04:46 PM
I have to say Bibio has a point, I spent loaddddsaaa wonga on my SV, but then shes a bit special to me. I saw no need to change, and bought another...coz she were lonely :)
However................. Now I have massive stomping power in that TL1000s motor, and handling which completely blows the SV out of the water, she feels a little deflated when I get back on her.
Peg loves riding the SV, its like a little dinky toy compared to the ZZR14. Dave the SV was umbellly umbelly bimbly, Suzy is a little more refined, but a fun toy to have a play with every now and again.
If I hadn't the opportunity to change, I wouldn't have, and I'd still be loving the SV in its entirity.....but I got spoilt!
The ER6 compaired to the SV is no contest. The SV is by far the better bike. More powerful, better handling, better suspension, better brakes. If you are looking for something better than a SV the ER6 is not where you should be looking.
"I'm after a few suggestions on bikes I should be getting out and test riding"
Thats the closest thing for cost and what makes a good commuter.
I tried both (well a pointy to an ER )and bought the SV.
i think of all the bikes out there the raptor would be high on my list along with a speed triple (if i could get on one lol)
dizzyblonde
09-12-11, 05:24 PM
Its had a real new interest of late, lots changing hands. No idea why....think people are warming to bikings best kept secret ;)
Replacing the SV - is there anything better?
Of course there are plenty but only you can truly judge that. The fact that you are asking the question it means that you feel there is room for improvement and the SV, although an excellent bike, is far from a great one.
I've been looking / researching and testing bikes for the last 6 months and every time I got back on the SV, the smile returned. I was almost convinced that is the perfect bike and that I should keep it for longer. Until I recently tested the Crossrunner and going back to the SV felt wrong so I ended up changing it.
I would make a list of features that are important to you and then add bikes that fill the most important ones and then test ride them. You may very well find out that the SV is the best option for you OR you may discover something better.
SoulKiss
09-12-11, 05:50 PM
I've gone from my sv650s to a z750r and have really fallen for it. As much as i miss the v-twin grunt the top end of an IL4 is just sooo much fun. Although not as good at higher speeds due to it being a naked, but that just keeps speed sub 100 for the most part which is never a bad thing. On the weight side of things, its really not noticeable exsept when picking up after crashing :rolleyes:
In comparison to the ER6f as mention, a friend has one and the seating position is far more upright and doesn't appear to handle as well as the sv650 but have never rode it more then just around a car park.
MMMMM Z750R.....
Would be a waste to chop my 08 750ABS in for that - just have to bolt bits onto mine to make it more R-Like
Cracking bikes your Z750 :)
-Ralph-
09-12-11, 06:06 PM
Major bit of info missing here. We know SV's can be had for less than £2500, but what IS your budget?
Aprilia RSV. Nice big bike but still pretty light, and very comfortable. Plenty of grunt delivered in a very similar way to the SV, just more of it.
suzukigt380paul
09-12-11, 06:18 PM
well if you want a bike and use it for touring amongst other things then you want a full fairing,so its pointless looking at a speed/street triple,but the sprint looks a better bet,or have a look at a honda vfr800 pre vtec.the 750s are getting a bit long in the tooth now and the vtec aint as good,and you can pick a good vfr800 for about 1.5k and with honda build qaulity and a engine thats good for 200k you cant go wrong,or have a look at a bandit 1200s with fairing lowers, they are as cheap as chips 155mph & 50mpg but not at the same time
Stonesie
09-12-11, 07:26 PM
If you love the V twin noise and feel but want more shove, better touring ability and enough shove/handling/brakeing power for a bit of back road fun then you don't want a Daytona like mine (it is very much aimed at fun rather than touring and practicality)... What my friend rides would be better, Aprillia Falco, he was a bandit (B12) man for years but now says the falco is better in every way. Even his wife says its better from the pillion seat.:cool:
Kilted Ginger
09-12-11, 07:28 PM
if you are doing a lot of town work, the tiger 800 ticks a lot of boxes, pm foey for details, he's had his a bout a year now
-Ralph-
09-12-11, 07:30 PM
Daytona 955i worth a look though. Immense shove, so much more accomplished than an SV, and it's a big bike too, definitely more sports tourer when compared to today's sports bikes.
Luggage options are limited, but no worse than the SV.
squirrel_hunter
09-12-11, 07:40 PM
The ER6 compaired to the SV is no contest. The SV is by far the better bike. More powerful, better handling, better suspension, better brakes. If you are looking for something better than a SV the ER6 is not where you should be looking.
"I'm after a few suggestions on bikes I should be getting out and test riding"
Thats the closest thing for cost and what makes a good commuter.
I tried both (well a pointy to an ER )and bought the SV.
I own both. And I'm going to sell the ER and keep the SV.
You want something that has a rubbish mpg, pretty uncomfortable, not that good around town, a nightmare in service cost, and something you wouldn't want to get dirty or wet. You want one of these http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201143423849823/sort/priceasc/usedbikes/model/vtr/make/honda/radius/1500/postcode/po143bw/page/1/variant/sp?logcode=p
It sounds awesome, has a massive grin factor, and is worth every penny. \\:D/
If I could afford two bikes...........a car, the wife, a daughter.........:smt112
suzukigt380paul
09-12-11, 08:11 PM
If you love the V twin noise and feel but want more shove, better touring ability and enough shove/handling/brakeing power for a bit of back road fun then you don't want a Daytona like mine (it is very much aimed at fun rather than touring and practicality)... What my friend rides would be better, Aprillia Falco, he was a bandit (B12) man for years but now says the falco is better in every way. Even his wife says its better from the pillion seat.:cool:
dont know a great deal about a falco but looking at the spec,s and the type of bike it is,(italian sports bike) i would say a blade would be a better bet and possibily a better built bike!,and at 118hp the falco is either a adequately powered sports tourer or a under powered sports bike
Stonesie
09-12-11, 08:23 PM
Apparantly quite easy to get them back upto RSV power as they share so many parts including the Rotax engine, more comfortable than the RSV too.
I'm not saying the OP should just go out and buy one but it should be on his test ride list, compared to the SV it will be a rocket and the brakes will be like dropping an anchor off the back.
dizzyblonde
09-12-11, 08:33 PM
dont know a great deal about a falco but looking at the spec,s and the type of bike it is,(italian sports bike) i would say a blade would be a better bet and possibily a better built bike!,and at 118hp the falco is either a adequately powered sports tourer or a under powered sports bike
I'd have a Falco over a blade any day of the week. Never underestimated an Italian bike, or its build quality. Every bike has its downsides. I wouldn't call it a sportsbike though. They're more than capable of touring.
I almost got sucked in by one before I bought the Rap:o Just the tank was too long with regards to clip ons.
Jayneflakes
09-12-11, 09:05 PM
I own a K3 that I love with all of my heart, however trying a K9 was lovely, it was everything I loved about my K3 but newer and more sparkly (shame about the throttle stop), maybe a new version is just what you need? What is your current bike? If it is a Curvey or early pointy, a brand new one could be just what the Doctor ordered.
If I was going to change my bike, I would be looking at the Kawasaki Versys, it is a ER6 motor, but with a touring set up. I tried on at Fowlers and it was super comfy, had a great view from the saddle and it has good looks too.
-Ralph-
09-12-11, 09:48 PM
Kawasaki Versys... and it has good looks too.
:smt104
:scratch:
;)
THe Falco is my next step. You can get them cheap enough.
You sit in it unlike the RSV.
The fuel consumption compared to the 650 not as good ,but Sv1000 not either.
Bagpuss
09-12-11, 10:10 PM
I've got a RSV Mille, not really a commuter bike but if you're use to a SV the twin will be familiar to you.
andrewsmith
09-12-11, 10:49 PM
With Ralph on this, what your budget?
If your doing a lot on commuting a loud obnoxious single could tick the boxes, say a Duke LC4 690 and raid the powerparts book to set it up for you.
Twins: SV as its been around knocking on 14 years in different forms and is a good bike.
ER6 does similar but is heavier and lower powered (but major motor fun can be had ;))
The Aprilia 750's are very good bikes (just suffer the italian temperament earlier models especially)
If your thinking brand new the Honda 670 may do what you want (unlikely if MCN's review is right)
ravingdavis
09-12-11, 11:03 PM
I went from an SV to a 2007 GSXR. I commute on mine every now and then, and have done some decent distance (10k since March). Does me great and has a pretty good grin factor. :)
andrewsmith
09-12-11, 11:13 PM
I went from an SV to a 2007 GSXR. I commute on mine every now and then, and have done some decent distance (10k since March). Does me great and has a pretty good grin factor. :)
Enjoying it I guess
better suspension, better brakes.
Kinda surprised here, I was under the impression the er was a decent bike, all reviews looked ok, I've always thought it's a bike parallel to the sv so to speak.
However you highlight what I took as the sv's weak spots and say it's better in those departaments than the er.
As for the older Aprilia suggestions, try one but it's different bike. Biger, heavier and with stiffer suspension.. who knows, you might like it ;)
squirrel_hunter
10-12-11, 12:16 AM
It is a decent bike don't get me wrong, but the SV is better. The ER really bounces around and wallows about and while the brakes are good there is just no feel to them. Yes the SV needs better suspension and my current one has it but even in stock the SV has better suspension, I think its the rear that really lets the ER down. But as I've always said when test riding bikes its down to the individual as to their preference. But if the OP is looking for a better bike than the SV the ER is not it.
Didn't expect that after reading the reviews, thanks.
Kinda surprised here, I was under the impression the er was a decent bike, all reviews looked ok, I've always thought it's a bike parallel to the sv so to speak.
However you highlight what I took as the sv's weak spots and say it's better in those departaments than the er.
As for the older Aprilia suggestions, try one but it's different bike. Biger, heavier and with stiffer suspension.. who knows, you might like it ;)
Go out on a ER6 - IMHO within an hour you'll want your SV back. Try a mint SV1000, if you can find one.
Go out on a ER6 - IMHO within an hour you'll want your SV back. Try a mint SV1000, if you can find one.
Surprised again, but I've sold my sv a while ago bud.
Got myself a Falco, which unfortunately is (as the OP fears) too big and too heavy for my liking. Don't get me wrong, once you get up to speed it's great, I've done a few 500+ mile runs and bike just munched the miles, unfortunately we don't get along too well. Town riding was the biggest pain as I didn't have car for the commute.
First gear was too long, suspension too stiff and bike a bit to heavy to stop every moment, combined with a 90mile tank rage (in town). But then your experience may vary, do a test ride if you can.
When I was looking for a next bike I thought about what did I like about the sv and what I don't like about the Falco, came up with something way smaller and lighter... we'll see how that goes.
Touring on sports bikes, well... I've only done 2 tours, both with a mate on a 600rr... Remember that episode of Top Gear when May took a Lamborghini to the Romanian mountains? It's similar, bit of a pain to get there, but once you're in the Alps/Pyrenees waaahooooooo!!!
Jayneflakes
10-12-11, 11:04 AM
:smt104
:scratch:
;)
So I have odd taste. Have you met the wife? :smt082
So I have odd taste. Have you met the wife? :smt082
:smt046
Cheers for all the responses sv-ers, you guys are great :) Fair few options there I hadn't considered, which is what i was after.
I'm replacing the SV because it's dying, not because I've got any complaints about it at all (although the suspension could definitely be better...), and the main reason, to be honest, that I'm not determined to replace like-for-like is the possibility that I might be missing an opportunity to find something I like even more. My current SV is a K6 so I don't know as there's much to choose between that and the more recent ones (except more spark plugs to change?).
In answer to the question a couple asked, I genuinely don't have a budget in mind but I'd need convincing the bang-for-buck ratio matched that of the SV - I'm looking both at brand new bikes (the Fazer8 is really tempting, top on my list to test - anyone here god/ridden one?) and also buying used for less than a third of that price.
I've ridden the ER and it never gave me the ear-to-ear grin the SV gives me most days, and I had a Z750 as a hire bike for several weeks and to be honest didn't like it at all - a fair bit of oomph and smooth delivery but the riding position was too high and felt unstable, and it was far more like hard work around town than the SV, getting back on the SV after the z750 was joyous for me.
The v-raptor is one I hadn't considered - bearing in mind I'm not the greatest at bike TLC something with less reliability might not be a good idea for me, but it does look like it ticks a lot of boxes, and the Falco (another that I missed) looks like it might be worth my while test riding.
Cheers again for the advice peeps, I'll be doing some testing over the next few weeks, and might even do some mini-reviews as I do so.
Sir Trev
10-12-11, 03:26 PM
The Fazer 8 is not especially good value for money compared to the Bandit 650S/GSX650F. Very similar power, seating and characteristics but the Yam has a hideous rear end and is quite expensive.
The upright seating on my 650F make it a doddle in town, it is way smoother than the SV, there is plenty of low down power (ignore the IL4 myth), and with a full fairing it's also good for the dual carriageways. They're not "cool" so you can get them for very little money, a real plus in my books. And the F has a better engine map and a bit more go compared to its Bandit sibling.
Owenski said the real test is would any of us leaving the SV ranks buy another. Although I miss mine terribly still (it's only been two months) I don't think I'll go back. My curvy naked was a lovely bike for commuting though...
Bluefish
10-12-11, 04:06 PM
No, the SV650 is the best motorcycle ever made, that's why we all have one, and if we could buy any bike ever made it would be an SV... or maybe a Triumph ;)
danf1234
10-12-11, 04:11 PM
Triumph Sprint St 1050 - There is no other!
danf1234
10-12-11, 04:13 PM
Or prehaps maybe an RGV 250 thrown in for pure mentalness!
Specialone
10-12-11, 04:16 PM
Triumph Sprint St 1050 - There is no other!
Amen to that, not sure thats entirely true but its up there with some of the best.
-Ralph-
10-12-11, 05:04 PM
Amen to that, not sure thats entirely true but its up there with some of the best.
If you are talking new sports tourers, at less than 9 grand I think it's the best available for the money.
I've got a RSV Mille, not really a commuter bike but if you're use to a SV the twin will be familiar to you.
Even with the gel seat on my SV, I find the Aprilia is hugely better for comfort, and I'm an old git. Rode from Plymouth to the IOM this year on the RSV and just felt a little stiff when I got there. On the SV I find my backside is in agony after about 100 miles.
Bagpuss
11-12-11, 04:38 PM
I use to commute on a naked SV before i sold via this site in 07, the RSV is much harder on the wrists, the clutch is heavier and overall the bike is alot heavier and less agile The RSV is a much better bike but as a commuter the SV is better IMO. Personally i'd be looking at something like a Suzuki DRZ 400 for commuting in town.-
yorkie_chris
11-12-11, 05:08 PM
OP; why is your SV dying? Why don't you just fix it? :confused:
I don't know what bike to recommend as I keep riding stuff and keep coming back to the SV. Mine is half knackered and needs a lot of fettling after 100k miles, but I don't grudge that at all. I haven't tried another bike that has the combination of light weight, decent pillion and luggage space, excellent handling and brakes, enough power to not be a liability but little enough to rag the living tits out of it regularly, road presence, grin inducing noise, decent economy of tyres and fuel when you are gentle etc etc etc.
Lots of other bikes are better at the above things, but none seem to manage to be better at all at once enough to make me want to part with SV.
I'd be tempted by a DL1000, but I'd still keep the SV.
and handling which completely blows the SV out of the water,
Nah. Set an SV up properly and see what happens, parts on rap are just as budget as offerings on the likes of the raptor 125s and the kawa 750s... looks pretty but non-adjustable, sealed cartridges which are about as much use to performance riding as a chocolate fireguard.
-Ralph-
11-12-11, 05:56 PM
excellent handling and brakes
Cough. Sorry? :D
yorkie_chris
11-12-11, 06:15 PM
Penske shock, GSXR front end revalved and resprung. There isn't much to outhandle it :)
-Ralph-
11-12-11, 06:24 PM
Penske shock, GSXR front end revalved and resprung. There isn't much to outhandle it :)
That's better, I knew that of course, but for a moment there I thought one of Yorkie Chris' posts read like the SV had good handing and brakes. ;)
yorkie_chris
11-12-11, 07:00 PM
That's better, I knew that of course, but for a moment there I thought one of Yorkie Chris' posts read like the SV had good handing and brakes. ;)
:-P
If I could do everything again I'd buy the same bike and do the same stuff to it, just sooner.
Only thing I would possibly consider instead would be an older GSXR streetfighter. Lots of potential and looks good with it's clothes off in a way modern stuff just doesn't... But if I'd bought one of those as a new rider I'd have put an 1100 motor in it and killed myself :smt082
I use to commute on a naked SV before i sold via this site in 07, the RSV is much harder on the wrists, the clutch is heavier and overall the bike is alot heavier and less agile The RSV is a much better bike but as a commuter the SV is better IMO.
The naked SV is pretty comfortable; mine is a fully faired bike and the riding position is harder my the wrists than the RSV IMO.
-Ralph-
11-12-11, 08:13 PM
There shouldn't be any weight on your wrists on any bike
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=167666
dizzyblonde
11-12-11, 08:21 PM
Nah. Set an SV up properly and see what happens, parts on rap are just as budget as offerings on the likes of the raptor 125s and the kawa 750s... looks pretty but non-adjustable, sealed cartridges which are about as much use to performance riding as a chocolate fireguard.
Ok....when you finally get chance to ride one.......I'll expect you to do a proper review;)
Jayneflakes
12-12-11, 04:12 PM
I have just been for a cold afternoon ride today and had so much fun even on some roads that were rather busy. Even with 33BHP my SV feels so light and nimble and it is just so lovely to play on.
To give you an idea of how other people who do not ride an SV react when they try them, this is what a friend said when I lent mine to him a while back. (He has two bikes at the moment, a GSXR750 Streefighter and an old GSX1100. The 750 is his pride and joy and has made a really nice job of it, including a gorgeous Dragon head with lights for eyes.) He borrowed my bike to pop out for half an hour and he commented on what a lovely bike it is to ride, his only criticism was the low power that I have it on. He also said that it was lovely to handle and is far too much fun in corners. Not sure I tempted him off of his streetfighter, but he certainly enjoyed it.
OP; why is your SV dying? Why don't you just fix it? :confused:
It's dying because I rode it too hard, from cold, with nothing like enough oil in. There's a thread in tweaking and tuning about it that I've yet to follow the suggestions in - combination of it being pitch black by the time I get home these days and pure winter-induced laziness. And it's beyond my capability to fix and none of the garages round here are even interested in speculating what it might be, even for ready money... I'm busy as heck and the moment and the bike's a cat C write-off from 3 years ago anyway, so this just seemed like the path of least resistance...
If I was going to change my bike, I would be looking at the Kawasaki Versys, it is a ER6 motor, but with a touring set up. I tried on at Fowlers and it was super comfy, had a great view from the saddle and it has good looks too.
Jayne - you've seriously lost the plot if you think either model of Versys is good looking, and that comes from someone who owns one.
I've always said I bought my Versys because it's the first bike I've ever owned where if I stand next to it then I'M the good looking one.
STRAMASHER
13-12-11, 08:54 AM
When my SV dies I'm have a list for a replacement.
Same boat as me. I commute everyday with the odd run out. Want something frugal on the gas and or good tank range, cheap to run, starts everyday twice a day, tough, fun. Centre stand would be a god-send for my lazy attempts at chain maintenance in the doom n' gloom (i hear ya!) I seem to want to try a more sit-up and beg riding position for lots of the slow speed stuff and will put up with not being able to go for as many gaps.
Looking at:
XT660Z - massive tank and 60mpg, cheap insurance and to run, lot of fun on/off road, sound, centre stand avail, lots of nice touches and finish in places, cool to look at, simple to work on, light, always fancied a single banger....Slow, wide (at the bars), eats C&S, tubed tyres.
TDM900 - big tank, frugal, twin cylinder, great brakes, more torque and power, ABS, comfy, decent standard of finish/quality, centre stand avail..... Bit big and heavy and more m/way than city commute, higher costs to run.
New V-Strom - Big tank and frugal, cheap to run, "know it" as so similar to SV, C-stand, ABS, more comfy.....Same gash calipers (high maintenance) mega bucks for summit that gets "rallied" everyday. Same dodgy finish I'm afraid (under 500mile example seen.) Oooft! looks!
Versys650 - Good range and frugal, as cheap to run ,original looks great to me, fun and comfy....like the above, apart from price , plus the engine ain't all that compared to SV. Big tall bike no chance of a C stand and having to fanny about with stands.
VFR800Fi - Big tank, more torque and power, gorgeous sound, awesome rep, still sporty and fast but loads more room than SV, loads of tupperware so no seeing your lump dissolve in front of your eyes, great looks, finish and quality....Feck having to do any work on it, reasonably big and heavy, all that tupperware to fret over, higher running costs (fuel/tyres/insurance)
CBR600F(Proper), cos everybody needs to, at least, consider one! - Nimble, light, quality, fast, much the same as above, but with a yawn-tastic Honda IL4 engine, all the power but not where I want it. Range not great with consumption and tank size.
Don't know if this has helped you at all.... but I think it has me.:)
When my SV dies I'm have a list for a replacement.
[snip]
Don't know if this has helped you at all.... but I think it has me.:)
Very much so, cheers STRAMASHER - currently finding myself leaning towards the VFR actually, going to test ride one this weekend - looks to tick all the boxes for me, I'm just concerned how much harder the extra weight's going to make round town stuff for me.
Jayneflakes
13-12-11, 09:39 PM
Jayne - you've seriously lost the plot if you think either model of Versys is good looking, and that comes from someone who owns one.
I've always said I bought my Versys because it's the first bike I've ever owned where if I stand next to it then I'M the good looking one.
Awwww, really?
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w368h276_0000034049593331.jpg
I have to be honest, I usually hate anything coloured orange, but the Versys is a nice looking bike. I will admit that I have strange taste though... :laughat:
So I have odd taste. Have you met the wife? :smt082
Bluefish
13-12-11, 10:30 PM
This is to confirm the appointment for Mrs Jayne Flakes at Specsavers for 10.30am on the 14/12/2011, your's sincerely Mr bluefish ;)
Versys650 -<snip>Big tall bike no chance of a C stand and having to fanny about with stands.
I've had mine nearly three years, done 18,000 miles and serviced it bang on schedule every time - it's been on paddock stands maybe 5 or 6 times in all that time, mainly when tyres need replacing. I don't see that's fannying about with stands at all.
Simply fit a Scottoiler and your chain maintenance troubles will disappear. You do not need a centre stand or a paddock stand to adjust a chain, anyone who tells you that you do is an idiot - you can quite easily adjust any chain with the bike on the sidestand
I don't see what the obsession is with centre stands
STRAMASHER
14-12-11, 07:59 AM
I don't see what the obsession is with centre stands
I'm getting old?:)
Next big bike will be a shaftie!
Dicky Ticker
14-12-11, 09:53 AM
In short to your question "Is there anything better"-----YES
SV is a nice built to a bottom end budget bike but unless you throw time and money at it that is what it will remain,hence the long lists of mods that have been done to them by people on here and elsewhere.Modifications improve it vastly and if you are happy with the power output and want to spend money on mods by all means do so,alternatively get a few test rides on similar sized bikes and compare the difference before you part with your brass.
Ok they are budget , but bang per buck it's still a great little bike.
yorkie_chris
14-12-11, 06:29 PM
I don't see what the obsession is with centre stands
People must like having chunks of their calves removed when they fit them to SV's, or not enjoy ground clearance or something...
People must like having chunks of their calves removed when they fit them to SV's, or not enjoy ground clearance or something...
Can you fit one to an SV? A centre stand would be a long way down my list of 'must haves'
yorkie_chris
14-12-11, 06:42 PM
Yeah some aftermarket company make them.
I'd be looking for fluffy dice and a cup holder before a centre stand.
Yeah some aftermarket company make them.
I'd be looking for fluffy dice and a cup holder before a centre stand.
Same, and a banging bass box with leds
Specialone
14-12-11, 06:48 PM
I like my centre stand on my sprint, it's sits better in garage so I have more room, I can put it out on the drive in the wind and I know it won't blow over, makes cleaning easier, especially the chain.
I had a paddock stand before for my pointy and it done the same thing I guess, now I've got one and experienced one, it's something I'd like on future bikes tbh.
Centre stands are something I miss .The kwakers had them but the RF was no real problem without it and that was allot bigger than the SV.
andreis
14-12-11, 08:03 PM
I think we've now passed through every possible bike...
Here's some that entice me :
Tiger 1050 -> can be lowered so that it handles the city better.. but probably needs suspension work to handle well. I think it's a better all rounder than the sprint (although the sprint has the better protection).
Tiger 800-> better than the 1050 at town work, can be toured on, but the 1050 is better at it. It's very light (210kg full tank & all) for a big bike. I hear it's a little bit thirsty, but other than that, all is well. (you know, except buffeting)
Both the tigers have half fairing (the 800 is almost a naked). I'd clearly choose the T800 over the Fazer 800 though (the F8 is just too pricey for what it is).
If you're just after a city/fun bike, I'd look at the ktm duke 690. The new one comes with ABS, it's really light & has bags of power. Plus it's frugal. I'd change the headlight though.. Not that practical for out-of-town thingies..
curvy custard
14-12-11, 08:34 PM
I cant be arsed to trawl through loads of pages so prmay be covered already but heres my answer anyway, sold my 99 sv650s 2-3months ago with a view of buying something newer and more refined in march, id happily own another sv but my next bike is likely to be an late 90s blade as i love the look of them, although id also like an xv535 for some strange reason. anyway i got bored of sitting in traffic and big fuel bills from my car so tomorrow im picking up a 100cc scooter to get me through the winter :)
-Ralph-
14-12-11, 08:42 PM
Tiger 1050 -> can be lowered so that it handles the city better.. but probably needs suspension work to handle well. I think it's a better all rounder than the sprint (although the sprint has the better protection).
Can scrape the centre stand on corners if you do that though.
andrewsmith
14-12-11, 08:55 PM
I'd be looking for fluffy dice and a cup holder before a centre stand.
Be careful what you wish for.
TBH a centre stand makes sense on 125's, the retro's and air cooled monsters
andreis
14-12-11, 09:00 PM
Can scrape the centre stand on corners if you do that though.
That they do, but you just need to cut the center stand down if you lower the bike & that just takes an angle grinder & some proper welding ;)
Still think they missed an opportunity in not making the T800 Roadie sportier (lower mass flywheel, lighter wheels)... you know, like a mini-MTS1200. Like a FZ8 with better torque & good price
Oh well... next time, I guess..
Drumming_Animal
14-12-11, 11:03 PM
Ive been looking at the Aprilia Shiver for the past couple of days. Read mixed things about it though. A few people saying theyre having problems and it looks like the same problems coming up. Theres also a few people saying go for it, its a loverly bike, but only if you have a decent Aprilia dealer nearby.
Im planning on finding a test ride sometime I reckon. Ive been looking to swap my SV out for a while now and this seems to tick all the boxes as a replacement, Im just put off by the bad news Ive heard.
ravingdavis
15-12-11, 12:28 AM
I've ridden the new shiver and I thought it was a brilliant bike!
Mate of mine has a Shiver and loves it. I am going to blag a ride on it as soon as I can to see if it's all it's cracked up to be.
Sir Trev
15-12-11, 09:58 AM
I like my centre stand on my sprint, it's sits better in garage so I have more room, I can put it out on the drive in the wind and I know it won't blow over, makes cleaning easier, especially the chain.
I had a paddock stand before for my pointy and it done the same thing I guess, now I've got one and experienced one, it's something I'd like on future bikes tbh.
Agreed, for the same reasons. A centre stand suits my retro-styled GSX and is very useful. There's not much of me and I would not want to try and get the bike on to a padock stand.
dizzyblonde
15-12-11, 10:44 AM
Can you fit one to an SV? A centre stand would be a long way down my list of 'must haves'
Yes you can, buy them from Wemoto, German made. the ex insisted I had one for 'maintenance' when I had Suzy rebuilt, I bought one under argumentative discussion, and flung it straight in the loft.......until the day that some orger asked the org for one.......and I flogged it on.:p
Great piece of engineering, but OMG what a monstrous weighty eyesore:smt119
maviczap
15-12-11, 10:46 AM
Yes you can, buy them from Wemoto, German made. the ex insisted I had one for 'maintenance' when I had Suzy rebuilt, I bought one under argumentative discussion, and flung it straight in the loft.......until the day that some orger asked the org for one.......and I flogged it on.:p
Great piece of engineering, but OMG what a monstrous weighty eyesore:smt119
Same here and wouldn't fit with my Micron header pipes.
Sent it back to Wemoto and got me an ABBA stand instead . Does what it says on the tin
dizzyblonde
15-12-11, 10:48 AM
I just got a YC, far simpler ;)
maviczap
15-12-11, 10:58 AM
I just got a YC, far simpler ;)
Thats harsh, he's been to Uni ;)
Jayneflakes
16-12-11, 11:04 AM
I just got a YC, far simpler ;)
Thats harsh, he's been to Uni ;)
That is just so funny. :smt041
alfa.rbt
16-12-11, 07:17 PM
yeah I know its stupid but they are just so sexy!!!
CLICK (http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201146428705968/sort/priceasc/maximum-mileage/up_to_10000_miles/cc-to/800cc/price-from/3000/body-type/sports/cc-from/600cc/price-to/4000/model/749/make/ducati/page/1/postcode/ox117qj/radius/1500/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/284180/usedbikes?logcode=flp)
And so good at doing the shopping run.
Lol.
They are getting affordable through.....
carelesschucca
17-12-11, 12:21 AM
But not any better looking!!!
ravingdavis
17-12-11, 09:25 AM
And so good at doing the shopping run.
Lol.
They are getting affordable through.....
Affordable? Maybe to buy but have fun mortgaging your house for the servicing costs!
I love those things though.
Yes well labours free but the bits???
Aprilia's Falco is as cheap as chips and seams to be cheaper to run.
:smt114
"Dear Santa, Ive been a good boy this year..."
Best i make some room under the tree:thumbsup:
johnnyrod
19-12-11, 10:05 AM
How about one of these?
Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
andrewsmith
19-12-11, 10:52 AM
How about one of these?
Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
nice! ;)
Should have known better
johnnyrod
19-12-11, 12:54 PM
I learned from the best (i.e. Reeder)
Lucas66
21-12-11, 04:43 PM
but my sv1000s off me lol
After owning a curvy for 5.5 years I bought a 2006 FZ1-S. Fantastic bike. Totally different to the SV, over 2x the BHP to start. But I just love the SV. We've been all over together and it's never let me down. So I'll probably keep the SV as well. Only problem is that my 5 years no claims on the SV counted for zilch on the Yam as I wanted to keep the SV. So when renewal comes around I'll swap the NCD to comp on the Yam and just get TPFT for the SV.
The build quality on the FZ is much better than on the SV.
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