hyosung

[COTTY]

are hyosung 650 any good and are many parts the same e.g engine.Has any one raced one ......:help:

[Steve_God]

From reviews I've heard about them, they are a very similar design, but made with poorer quality materials, and with lower levels of reliability.

There are many people who rate them highly for being great value for money for what you get - but also many reports of structural failures or engine problems.

[muzikill]

How many do you see on uk roads? ............ exactly!

The price you pay for a new one (because i dont expect they last long enough to become 2nd hand) you could pick up a very decent sv.

[BBadger]

i actually see quiet a few around here.
mostly the 125 and 250 version though seen one or two 650's in london aswell.
Havent heard a bad thing from the owners mind but i know theve been getting better and better with each new model.

think theres a forum for them called koriarider so have a gander.

[-Ralph-]

Can't say I'd buy one over a second hand SV

[Richie]

+1 agreed with Ralph

[andrewsmith]

+2 with Ralph

[maviczap]

I've read a review of one that one of the mags had as a long term test bike, which repeats what the others said above.

They are heavier than a Sv, plus the brakes aren't as good either. AS a road bike it'd be ok, but as a race bike?

[yorkie_chris]

Surely best thing about minitwin racing is readily available spares and lots of parts bin suzuki stuff, like GSXR rearsets, switchgear, etc etc. Not sure about hyosung.

[Jayneflakes]

I had the pleasure of working on a mates Hyosung a while back and the example I worked on was awful. It was a rust bucket of the worst kind with a rotted out exhaust, rusting frame and every bolt was rust flakes just to make servicing easy. It had a permanent oil drip from the engine cases that required a bowl under the sump. The oil actually came from higher up the engine, but ran down and dripped from the lowest point, which was the sump nut. :rolleyes:

Working on it was a pain because there was no manual, but there was a downloaded and translated Web page that had some odd translations. :pirat:

Getting parts was difficult and the only real option he had was to get stuff bodged to fit if he wanted to replace bits. The weight was a lot more than my K3, which I put down to the steel frame and budget build. However, it did look the part from a distance with USD forks and pretty paint. Up close it was a dog and after three weeks my mate traded it and bought a small Hornet, which he has kept. Says it all really, when a 250cc bike has more power and rides better! Oh yeah, the ride position was horrible and the bars actually fitted into the indents in the tank when turned full lock, getting it out of the garage really made my hands hurt due to the position my hands were forced into. :sad:

I can't remember what the engine in it was size wise, but I know it sucked! Given the choice of an old Curvy SV or a recent Hyosung, I would go actually go for the Curvey! :smt077

[mikerj]

There are many people who rate them highly for being great value for money for what you get - but also many reports or structural failures or engine problems.

Care to point us to the numerous reports of structural failures? I very much doubt they exist to be honest.

[Jayneflakes]

Care to point us to the numerous reports of structural failures? I very much doubt they exist to be honest.

The one I worked on was two years old and most definitely had engine problems, plus the exhaust was ruined after two years of on street parking. The frame though was rusted to hell, but was still strong due to the amount of steel used in the fabrication, which in turn made it really heavy. :sad:

I would like to think that this was just a bad example of a nice bike, but I rather suspect that it was not. :(

[Spanner Man]

Good morning all.


I've had the misfortune to have worked on a Hyosung 650 a couple of years ago. Generally it was somewhat below SV quality in most areas. It was pretty reliable though.
However, some of the spares were extremely expensive. Try £90 for a rear sprocket! There was no pattern one available at that time. There may be one available now.
Also the availability of genuine spares was Pi55 poor! 6 weeks for a handlebar.
Buy a good SV. End of!


Cheers.

[Steve_God]

Care to point us to the numerous reports of structural failures? I very much doubt they exist to be honest.

I would have thought the comments from others would have been enough, but as you insist:

Hyosung Riders Forum (http://korider.com/index.php?topic=18064.0) - Thread containing a list of VINs with a problematic 650 engine.
"The VIN range covers 6000 bikes and 2 years of production 04/06 so seem pretty common to me. (http://korider.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=b882995303e833dde58a562a07550e 3c&topic=18062.0)"

Not to mention Fuel Shut Off issues (http://korider.com/index.php?topic=14293.0)

Brake failures (http://korider.com/index.php?topic=13664.0)

Others... (http://bit.ly/xZ4srA)


From what I gather they've improved in recent years, and the issues coming out tend to be from those made several years ago, in particular around that one bad batch.

[Lozzo]

I would have thought the comments from others would have been enough, but as you insist:

Hyosung Riders Forum (http://korider.com/index.php?topic=18064.0) - Thread containing a list of VINs with a problematic 650 engine.
"The VIN range covers 6000 bikes and 2 years of production 04/06 so seem pretty common to me. (http://korider.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=b882995303e833dde58a562a07550e 3c&topic=18062.0)"

One batch of engines that the factory has acknowledged have a problem and issued a recall... so not really a problem any more.

Not to mention Fuel Shut Off issues (http://korider.com/index.php?topic=14293.0)

One instance of a fuel tap not working with no other responses in that thread saying "Oh, mine's done that too". Wow, that's a major failing on soooo many bikes... not!

Brake failures (http://korider.com/index.php?topic=13664.0)

One bloke (again, no-one else in the thread is shouting "Oh, mine's done that too") has a delaminating brake pad which is replaced under warranty, big bloody deal. I've replaced loads of Japanese OEM pads that have delaminated over time, worse ones were on a GSXR600 and that was an 18 month old bike with less than 5K miles on the clock.

Others... (http://bit.ly/xZ4srA)

Shall I dig though this very forum and pull up some common SV problems, like reg/recs, carb icing, crap forks, cheap and nasty shock absorbers, corrosion etc etc


From what I gather they've improved in recent years, and the issues coming out tend to be from those made several years ago, in particular around that one bad batch.

Where are the instances of structural failures, I don't see anything about those?

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't touch a Hyosung myself, but your original reply was just ludicrous and you have absolutely no real evidence to back it up.

[yorkie_chris]

crap forks, cheap and nasty shock absorbers, corrosion etc etc

Just because hyosung has USD does not mean they have any worthwhile damping.

And if hyosung 650 follows the smaller ones, the chroming on forks will be wafer thin.

[DJFridge]

Can I just point out one fallacy mentioned quite early in this thread - the 650 is NOT CHEAP compared with the SV. The list at the moment is £5100 which is almost exactly the same as an SV.

[andrewsmith]

Can I just point out one fallacy mentioned quite early in this thread - the 650 is NOT CHEAP compared with the SV. The list at the moment is £5100 which is almost exactly the same as an SV.

Well you'd get a SV for £4700 atm, and a Gladius for about £5500

Just to pick up one YC and Lozzo have picked up, how many budget bikes have half decent suspension? The only one I can think of is the KTM Duke's and possibly the BMW G650 (but they seem to rot quite quickly)

[yorkie_chris]

CBR600F has half decent forks that you can set up to work really nicely. But then again until recently they were hondas 600 sportsbike, not budget market at all until RR came out.

[DJFridge]

Can I just point out one fallacy mentioned quite early in this thread - the 650 is NOT CHEAP compared with the SV. The list at the moment is £5100 which is almost exactly the same as an SV.

Well you'd get a SV for £4700 atm, and a Gladius for about £5500

Well, that's even better. Anybody still considering the Hyosung is even more of a numpty then.

[andrewsmith]

CBR600F has half decent forks that you can set up to work really nicely. But then again until recently they were hondas 600 sportsbike, not budget market at all until RR came out.

True that was the only one I could think of except the Thundercat, which went the same way a lot earlier.

[andrewsmith]

Well, that's even better. Anybody still considering the Hyosung is even more of a numpty then.

yep

My local dealer has got the outgoing ER6 f for £5100 list

[Steve_God]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't touch a Hyosung myself, but your original reply was just ludicrous and you have absolutely no real evidence to back it up.

Personally, if an engine blows up and the outcome looks like this:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-WQE3NM8N-D.jpg

Then I'd say there's been a structural failure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_failure) on one of the parts in the engine, but that's just me and my opinion.

[yorkie_chris]

In hyosungs defence, they're still bags of crap, but SV's blow up from time to time too.

[tom-k6]

any engine will blow up given abuse, it just depends how long it took and how much abuse it took

[muzikill]

any engine will blow up given abuse, it just depends how long it took and how much abuse it took

Build quality can prevent this scenario from happening though. If it's being marketed as a sportsbike you would expect it to take a bit more strain. And according to the posts on hyosung faults even thought they have been 'corrected' they are shockingly dangerous faults.

Incorrect sized intake valves fitted causing engine seizing? wtf is that all about? - someone could have died because of that incorrect tooling issue from the factory.

Big Fail.

[metalmonkey]

I know someone with the 125 version of this, its a pile of cra* its not that old and falling apart. I looked at the brakes as he said they didn't work to well, that was mess try sort that out. I wouldn't buy one, or suggest people should any type of this bike.

[Destruktor77]

Hmmm, a lot of digging at these Hyosungs...

I had a 2006 one for my 125 for a year up until early November this year.

Good looking bike in my opinion, and has a few decent parts on it as mentioned USD forks which where actually quite decent, adjustable rear shock and a decent rear tire size. The breaks on mine were perfectly good enough for the bike. The engine had a decent amount of pull, with me at 11 1/4 stone and my friend at 12.5 it still managed 60mph (top speed i reached 79) I looked like a big bike and handled a bit like one too which was great to learn before moving up to a larger cc. For a 125 it sounded awesome with a Blue Flame exhaust but as mentioned the rest of the exhaust did age quite badly but not enough to cause problems, some of the paint on the frame had rusted but a quick sand showed it was barely eating the steel.

Mine had sat outside for 4 months prior to me buying it and lived outside the entire time and has stood up quite well to the weather.

They're surely heavier than need be but I didn't find that too much of a problem, and at 6,2 it fit me very well.

Parts did take along time to deliver 1 month for a new chain adjuster.

Overall mine wasn't a bad bike at all, I'd recommend the 125 model for a good bike to bridge the gap decent mpg and little problems.

Although I'd definitely choose an SV over the Hyosung 650 any day!

[-Ralph-]

History of a Hyosung

So if I'm reading this right, you bought it at 4 months old and kept it for a year?

For paint on the frame to let rust through and the exhaust to corrode to any level is not a good performance on a bike that young.

I sold my SV at 23,500 miles and 5 years old from new. It was used all year round and there was no corrosion on it. The only finish problem related to corrosion (not crashes) was flaking engine paint.

[yorkie_chris]

People say SV's rot, but it's not exactly true as it's only cosmetic surfaces on ally castings... not bits you want to retain the integrity of like the exhaust... and the frame and swingarm!

If you want a decent 125 buy a TZR...

[Destruktor77]

So if I'm reading this right, you bought it at 4 months old and kept it for a year?

No I didn't word that quite clearly. I bought a 2006 model, in 2010, and kept it for a year. It was imported from the UK which it had lived outside, and sat unused for 4 months. I literally live about 50 ft from the sea so that probably didn't help.

I'm not defending Hyosung with my life but in my experience they aren't as bad as the views posted here.

[mikerj]

Then I'd say there's been a structural failure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_failure) on one of the parts in the engine, but that's just me and my opinion.

That's an engine failure. Simply saying that Hyosung bikes regularly suffer from structural failures implies you are talking about the structure of the bike, i.e. frame, wheel or suspension failures, any of which are serious safety concerns.

Please note I'm not defending Hyosung at all, clearly they are have some significant quality issues, but making fallacious statements about structural failures undermines your arguments.

[Steve_God]

Simply saying that Hyosung bikes regularly suffer from structural failures implies you are talking about the structure of the bike

I've never said that they regularly suffer from structural failures...

I actually said "many reports of structural failures or engine problems".
My original comment stemmed back from a memory of reading a post several years ago on another forum slating Hyosung about terrible issues they'd had with their bike that had stuck in my mind, but I couldn't remember exactly what the issue was. After googling and finding those links, it appeared to be the issue around the batch that was later recalled to do with engine failures.

That said, my view of the wording of a structural failure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_failure) is that in the engineering sense, "Structural failure refers to loss of the load-carrying capacity of a component or member within a structure or of the structure itself" - personally, I'd still class an engine failure, as the result of a structural failure of one of the load-carrying parts the engine. But hey, that's just coming at it from an engineering view...


Back to the point, there had been many reports... majority in the past and relating to a specific batch... probably all fine now... feel free to go out and buy one...

[garynortheast]

This debate reminds me of the arguments I used to hear when Japanese bikes first started turning up here.

[Jayneflakes]

These debate reminds me of the arguments I used to hear when Japanese bikes first started turning up here.

Wait until some one asks about buying a Chinese Quad! :smt043

As a side issue, my step son is interested in biking and in March reaches an age where he can ride a 50cc bike, so he scoured the internet and we ended up buying him a Yam DT50. However one of the bikes he asked us to look at was a new AJS 50. AJS, an old classic name now owned by the Chinese. The bike was rusting in the showroom, the paint felt like it had sand in it and the bike was so small, it was nearly a minimoto! our lad left the shop some what underwhelmed! Given the choice of that or a Hyosung... :smt107

[yorkie_chris]

This debate reminds me of the arguments I used to hear when Japanese bikes first started turning up here.

Except they are actually sh*t.

[DJFridge]

Except they are actually sh*t.

So were early Japanese bikes. So were early Japanese cars, at least bodywise. You'd get old Datsun 120Ys with not an unrusted panel and the interior collapsing but, they'd got most of the mechanicals sorted. They would still start on a snowy morning when all the Fords and Vauxhall were out with dampstart and hammers.

Korean cars of 15 years ago were pants too. Kia and Hyundai now produce perfectly good vehicles and there's no reason to believe that, given a few years and some reasonable investment, Hyosung might do the same.

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[-Ralph-]

Look where Hyundai and Kia are on the What Car reliability survey, I'm seriously considering a new shape Kia Sportage for my wife's next car. 7 year warranty too!

http://www.whatcar.com/NonCar/AC/2771111121634.jpg

[Dipper]

We bought an 04 Kia Sorento 6 years ago at 50k miles, now just coming up to 140k apart from service items haven't had to replace a thing.

[garynortheast]

I can remember Japanese bikes in the late 60's with frames and swingarms made of rubber, welding like randomly applied pigeon **** and brakes that did about as much as the brakes on my old BSA, which was not a lot! Some of them were quite quick and the engines were on the whole more reliable than the current offerings from most of the British manufacturers - but then that wasn't a particularly difficult feat to achieve.

Times change, and will do so again.

[mikerj]

Look where Hyundai and Kia are on the What Car reliability survey,

What year is that? I'm slightly shocked that MG sold enough cars to get valid reliability stats!

[-Ralph-]

What year is that? I'm slightly shocked that MG sold enough cars to get valid reliability stats!

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/reliability-survey-2011/how-it-s-measured/258307