MOD 2 Bike Test

[Ibike12]

Well DSA have done it again. Today i failed my Mod 2 - 0 faults and 1 Serious, The serious was for turning right at a T Justion, i was around 10 inch's away from the kerb!! confident all the way though the test and no issue's. still do not understand why he failed me for my positioning!!!! passed MOD 1 with no faults!............ :smt091:smt091:smt091:smt091:smt091:smt091:smt091: smt091:smt091( another £150) Back to my 125 for another 10 days :(

[Kenzie]

Shouldn't you have been more towards the centre of the T and not to the left hand kerb? Bit of a ****er for failing though after a good ride.

[Amadeus]

I think you have a right for an explanation don't you? Tho I guess if you didn't ask at the time, the moment has passed.
On the upside, you've shown you can ride a bike so next time you should be confident that you'll sail through it.

[Messie]

Not sure why DSA have done it again?
But sorry to hear you've not yet passed. Good luck for the next one!

[SoulKiss]

Shouldn't you have been more towards the centre of the T and not to the left hand kerb? Bit of a ****er for failing though after a good ride.

+1 if I read the OP right

[maxinc]

If positioning was the only cause, he must have seen it as lack of control as you came close to the kerb. I wouldn't have thought that would count as a major fault though. Shame about the costs but good luck next time.

[Binky]

That sounds incredibly harsh given the no minors. Good luck for the next time.

[missyburd]

You sure you didn't have your indicator on to go left?

Sorry to hear, always a pain to have to fork out more dosh but by the sounds on it you'll have no problems passing next time. Hats off to you for doing it at this time of year though!

[Mrs DJ Fridge]

Better luck next time, at least you can still ride your 125, not like a car test where you are still reliant on other people to go with you.

[Ibike12]

apparently i was too far left when i was turning right, had full controll of the bike, and 10 inch's from the right hand kerb!!!o and indicator was for right , ah well booked again for the 17th as you have to wait 10 days :( and my thoughts on doing it this time of year as i would get a bike a little cheaper?

craig

[Stenno]

I feel your pain, I passed on my third attempt. Felt very hard done by on previous efforts but I convinced myself they had quotas to hit ;) Good luck next time, just remember to look up the road when turning rather than at the curb.

[SoulKiss]

but I convinced myself they had quotas to hit ;)

Big Myth that, they would rather pass you than fail you - MUCH less paperwork on a Pass as they dont have to record EVERY little detail in case of an Appeal.

You were just rubbish :p

FTR, I was a 3rd time pass as well :)

To the OP 10" from the kerb is only just out of the gutter, should have been 10" from the center line.

[gruntygiggles]

Ten inches from the right hand kerb? At a t junction? I hope you were on a one way road or your positioning would have put you in the path of anything turning into the road you were on.

Or am I missing something?

Bad luck mate, but 10 days is not long. Try not to be too overconfident. My instructor told me the examiner failed the lad I went to my test with because he was too confident. Too much of a concern and needed to learn he wasn't as good as he thought so they got him on a serious for pulling out in front of someone. Others would have git away with it. Instructor told me that while they stick to the rules...sometimes they see people who they believe will be dead within the year and so they try to knock them back a little so they don't think they are incapable of getting it wrong sometimes. Worth considering.

[SoulKiss]

sometimes they see people who they believe will be dead within the year and so they try to knock them back a little so they don't think they are incapable of getting it wrong sometimes. Worth considering.

When I did my DAS the option for test day was to do the big bike or the 125 and get a restricted. It was said that the Examiner MAY be more lenient for someone on a 125 than the 500...

[Fallout]

The cynical man in me says he wasn't 100% happy with your ride and he has a 'fail quota', in this harsh economic climate. Absolutely no evidence for that at all, but I enjoy being a grumpy git. Good luck on your next test mate!

[gruntygiggles]

I don't believe there are fail quotas. Training centres rely on their pass rates to continue to attract customers...they would not stand by and allow there to be a fail quota. To have a fail quota would be to open themselves up to constant scrutiny.

If you fail, you have ridden in a manner for all or part of the test that your examiner is not happy with. I don't doubt that every now and then an examiner takes a dislike and judges harshly for no good reason, but you have to, iirc, bring it up then and there.
I am still wondering how that junction worked to be turning right at a t junction but be 10 inches from the right kerb?

[Fallout]

Must've been 1-way out of the junction onto a 2-way road. I agree on the fail quota thing btw. I don't think there is one, but the cynical man in me says the more they fail, the more tests the failed guy has to pay for. Ooooo, them evil examiners and their devious ways. ;)

[gruntygiggles]

Yep...that is what i asked in first response.

To be honest, I cannot fathom why any examiner would say that 10 inches off the right hand kerb puts you too far to the left for a right hand turn. If you got any closer you would be riding through dirt. 10 inches is too close...it puts you in line to ride over drains and manhole covers. So, saying you were too far to the left makes him an idiot examiner in my opinion.

Either that or I have it wrong, but i an just going from what the op has described.

[GIZZY66]

I've got my first and hopefully only mod 2 next week , I will let you know if its quota based when im done . As an aside I got a serious call yesterday from vosa for my pass and failure rates for our testing station so big brother does check and ass kick testers .

[Sabarius]

The left, right, centre positioning in the road when making turns only applies to a normal two way road. If, as I'm reading it and someone else said, you were pulling out from a one way street then you should have been in the centre of the right hand side of the road, not on the right.

I know cos I passed my mod 2 three weeks ago and this exact thing came up in my training!

[Fallout]

Tests are funny things. Some examiners are better than others. In my module 1 I missed a cone, cos where I took it the route wasn't obvious. I pulled up and complained and the guy let me do it again. :D Passed that. On the mod 2 I missed at least 1 life saver and slightly rolled back on my hill start, and I passed that too. I reckon there is a degree of slack the examiners will give you, based on how they perceive your overall safety. Having taken my test in my mid 20s, perhaps I gained a certain degree of slack for being a more mature sensible rider? I have no idea. Just speculating. On my module 2, the examiner may've just missed my mistakes. They're human too, right? :)

[joshwalker094]

i found the test's to be fairly ok, passed mod 1 perfect, examiner said if anything i was too cautious :/ , and on mod 2, i got 6 minors, 3 for speeding ? how i was on a slow as heck honda cg, and one for not letting some one go, because they flashed me to go, ( he had a stern chat to me about it when we got back ) and the other two cant remember. but i agree the tests are funny things and some examiners are better

[missyburd]

I reckon there is a degree of slack the examiners will give you, based on how they perceive your overall safety. Having taken my test in my mid 20s, perhaps I gained a certain degree of slack for being a more mature sensible rider?
I did my mod 2 in April, managed to take a wrong lane on a massive roundabout (the sign for it was TINY) and ended up losing my examiner, as it wasn't safe to stop until I'd been down the dual carriageway, through another 2 roundabouts to pull up at a petrol station. Took her a good 15 mins to find me and my test ended up being a whole hour instead of the usual 40 mins...but I passed! Got a minor for following traffic directions but I wasn't going to argue that one :D

It's definitely to do with your general confidence and how you've ridden throughout that gets you through, I reckon if you made what you thought was a real error but continued to ride as normal and had an otherwise very good ride then the examiner will look upon you more favourably.

[Fallout]

i got 6 minors, 3 for speeding

I thought speeding was a major. Weird isn't it? I reckon you were probably only a few mph over. Maybe an inaccurate speedo? He/she probably assumed that was the problem and put them down as minors. Who knows?

As for other drivers (like that flashing), they can be a proper pain in the ****! On my test there was a short motorway section, and plenty of cars were doing 60mph, so I had to overtake them otherwise would've got minors for going too slow. As I approached one car, he has left his right indicator on. I reckon I sat behind him (him in the slow lane and me in the fast lane) for up to a minute, but I didn't overtake him cos I thought that'd be a failure (unsafe or something). Examiner didn't seem to care, so I suppose I made the right call. In real life though, you'd wait for a sec then rag it past them.

It's definitely to do with your general confidence and how you've ridden throughout that gets you through, I reckon if you made what you thought was a real error but continued to ride as normal and had an otherwise very good ride then the examiner will look upon you more favourably.

Definitely. I was surprised when the dude on module 1 gave me another go when I missed some cones. I think he could tell I was being genuine when I said I was confused by the layout (probably heard it before. Lots of confusing white lines in that car park). He must've seen I was competent in the other bits. After that I was really pumped so nailed the swerve bit and the emergency stop.

I think overall the examiners I met were good guys, who appeared to make common sense decisions on ability rather than blindly following the rule book.

[missyburd]

I think overall the examiners I met were good guys, who appeared to make common sense decisions on ability rather than blindly following the rule book.
I had a lady :-P And I could tell she really begrudged giving me the pass after making her stay out for a further 20 minutes but in all honesty she should have found me quicker haha. So I figure I must have been riding pretty well because she could have easily failed me for pi$$ing her off, she did have the power after all! :rolleyes:

[Noddy]

Can you explain why you introduced yourself on 29/12/11 claiming you had just passed your full bike test then started this thread claiming you had just failed mod 2, I'm confused.:confused::confused::confused: Summat wrong here:confused::confused::confused:

[Stenno]

Whoops! I'm guessing no one told him there was two parts to the test :P

[joshwalker094]

Hey all , thought i would pop in to introduce my self! :p

My name is craig, 22,manchester, IT-Databse administrator. just passed full bike test ( in winter) dont know what i was thinking! currently looking for Sv650!!!! Sv was the first bike i was on so hopefully will have her Very soon!look forward to gettin to know u all soon!

cheers :farao:


hmm i see what you noddy

[Stenno]

Burn the witch!

[Fallout]

Reminds me of another forum I was on ...

"I will be taking my mod 2 next week. Who wants to go for a ride the following weekend?"

I'm pretty sure that ride next happened.

[kiggles]

have you ever tried turning tight corners on a cbr600rr? I am almost certain sometimes when i am turning some corners i wonder if i have enough steering lock to turn it.