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gruntygiggles
11-01-12, 11:47 AM
I am more concerned at what the other 77 out of 100 immigrants are doing? Being paid for by us!
Anyone else pick up on this?
Sabarius
11-01-12, 11:53 AM
Surely those stats are getting a bit mixed up unless I'm reading it wrong?
If I said 23 cars sold for 100 potatoes boiled it doesn't really say anything about cars or potatoes.
Then again I am on day off and only just woke up.
Luckypants
11-01-12, 11:54 AM
I don't understand the reference either.
Surely those stats are getting a bit mixed up unless I'm reading it wrong?
If I said 23 cars sold for 100 potatoes boiled it doesn't really say anything about cars or potatoes.
Then again I am on day off and only just woke up.
True true. :fish:
jonny.boyd
11-01-12, 12:09 PM
In my massively hung-ove state.....
I think it's trying to provoke a negative feeling towards immigrants by attempting to go down the root of:
(In the words of Southpark)
768h3Tz4Qik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik
((They Tooook our Joooobs!))
Where-as in reality as already stated it makes no sense!
Hmmmm, do I dare hazard a guess as to which newpaper / website wrote this.... :p
I can't remember the full details, but yesterday a group of analysts came up with the finding that there was a correlation between the number of immigrants coming in to this country within the last X number of years and the rise in youth unemployment in those same years.
As someone on the BBC helpfully pointed out if you changed the years used (either or both of the start or end years) the correlation would disappear. And as anyone who has ever done statistics will tell you, a correlation is NEVER an indication of cause and effect.
And as another commentator pointed out several businesses and developments could not have continued or shown growth during many of the first decade of this century without huge numbers of LEGAL immigrants.
Owenski
11-01-12, 12:23 PM
Find a way to cure laziness and you'll stop immigration.
Too many Brits suffer from "bone-idle syndrome" or "pay-me-more-for-less-work-itis" if these people were cured with a strong dose of "earn-ur-fecking-cash-acilin" then there would be no jobs for the immigrants to come looking for hence they'd look elsewhere.
Ta-da, its solves the immigration gripe as well as unemployment... now if only there was a way to adminiter earn-ur-fecking-cash-acilin forcfully.
The Idle Biker
11-01-12, 12:32 PM
Find a way to cure laziness and you'll stop immigration.
Too many Brits suffer from "bone-idle syndrome" or "pay-me-more-for-less-work-itis" if these people were cured with a strong dose of "earn-ur-fecking-cash-acilin" then there would be no jobs for the immigrants to come looking for hence they'd look elsewhere.
Ta-da, its solves the immigration gripe as well as unemployment... now if only there was a way to adminiter earn-ur-fecking-cash-acilin forcfully.
I agree. In the wonderful words of THE SMITHS.
"I decree today that life
Is simply taking and not giving
England is mine - it owes me a living"
Wideboy
11-01-12, 12:40 PM
Find a way to cure laziness and you'll stop immigration.
now if only there was a way to adminiter earn-ur-fecking-cash-acilin forcfully.
Easy, get rid of the epidemic of bull**** jobs people seem to get these days. chief pencil sharpening observer and productivity seat check monitor. All these jobs that people get paid loads for but actually don't do anything and are dead wood....... that and axe most benefits.
Specialone
11-01-12, 12:43 PM
The argument for 'they do the jobs Brits don't wanna do' is valid in SOME cases, not all, this tends to cloud people's opinions and judgement.
All statistics can be manipulated to read what you want it to.
Facts are if there are 1000 jobs for 1000 people, great, but if 500 more people come for these jobs, 500 are gonna be without a job, it's not complicated is it.
Employers will take migrants as they will generally work for less money, this isn't a good thing in the bigger picture as a lot of their earnings will go out the country and never return, they MIGHT pay tax here, but a lot will spend / send that money home and it will get spent on goods and services in their country, not ours.
We have to stop this migration, immigration Bolox before it's too late, it's not racist either discussing it as some think.
It's a drain on public resource, roads and transport, Nhs, schools, DSS etc etc.
The pros unfortunately don't outweigh the cons however the tree huggers sugar coat it.
dizzyblonde
11-01-12, 12:54 PM
BBC link to Youth Unemployment and immigration report.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16463861
Ah ha that's precisiely the report I saw. Says it all really
squirrel_hunter
11-01-12, 01:13 PM
Grunty, were you reading the Daily Mail in the pub last night?
timwilky
11-01-12, 01:16 PM
Over the past 30 years with my current employer, I have observed we have employed quite a few non EU immigrants. Mainly Chinese, but also Asian. They all have one thing in common. They are all extremely well qualified. Most have PHDs in engineering disciplines and 20+ years of experience. I doubt there are available qualified "English" engineers readily available to replace these individuals. Certainly you could not take your average kid off the street and in 5 years make them an expert in steam flow over tubine blades, or the computational fluid dynamics of a power plant etc.
Immigration is not bad for this country. We would be screwed in industry and the NHS without it. I thought the Australian type points system was supposed to stop unqualified immigration for the sorts of jobs Britains unemployed are quite capable of doing. Poorly qualified cheap labour from within the EEC is a greater source of UK unemployment than legitimate non EEC immigration.
Before blaming immigration, look to the illegals and those employing them first. Also question the system that makes it near on impossible to repatriate illegals once caught.
I completely agree about the ILLEGAL immigrants
timwilky
11-01-12, 01:23 PM
FFS Messie does that mean you and me agreeing on something.
Have I turned a bit commie? or are you going a bit nazi?;)
Lol probably neither. Just a bit of old age fuzziness creeping in!
Just cos I'm a bit of leftie, doesn't mean I agree with law breaking ;)
Specialone
11-01-12, 01:33 PM
I agree Tim about highly qualified economic migrants, there is a place for them in a certain number, but company's who get staff off the shelf from the EEC won't always invest in apprenticeships which is why we are seeing a shortfall of suitably qualified people, it's a viscious circle.
We have to get homegrown apprenticeships going again for us to be able to kick start growth, manufacturing, it's the key IMO.
But not all migrants, regardless of the crap the government spues out, are highly qualified people, many are unskilled or qualified in their country which can fall well below the standards in this country.
gruntygiggles
11-01-12, 02:40 PM
No squirrel...got wind of it briefly on the news but no details.
I have no problem with people coming here to work and paying into the economy. I do have a problem with people coming here to live and not working/contributing at all.
yorkie_chris
11-01-12, 03:06 PM
It's probably a fair bet that if 100 migrants are allowed in it will result in 23 people being declined a job.
My own experience of some local government employees leads me to think there needs to be serious culls there, due to them being highly paid for making precisely ZERO contribution to GB, Plc.
And, cure the welfare state. I know too many people who are scumbags who need shooting, never mind paying. But they're "entitled" to sit about spawning twocking little ASBO sh*ts who in turn, will need shooting.
Given the choice I'd probably employ a Polish bloke too...
The Idle Biker
11-01-12, 03:19 PM
Given the choice I'd probably employ a Polish bloke too...
I have just employed a Polish manager, which accounts for the fact that I am spending more time on the web and lurking in here.
He's brilliant, he'll probably get my job soon if I don't shape up and get working.
Paul the 6th
11-01-12, 03:20 PM
Given the choice I'd probably employ a Polish bloke too...
Markov works harder than anyone I've ever met. And he makes a cracking Cassoulet. All for £2.30/hour.
....... Enough about my rent boy.
andrewsmith
11-01-12, 03:36 PM
It's probably a fair bet that if 100 migrants are allowed in it will result in 23 people being declined a job.
My own experience of some local government employees leads me to think there needs to be serious culls there, due to them being highly paid for making precisely ZERO contribution to GB, Plc.
And, cure the welfare state. I know too many people who are scumbags who need shooting, never mind paying. But they're "entitled" to sit about spawning twocking little ASBO sh*ts who in turn, will need shooting.
Given the choice I'd probably employ a Polish bloke too...
I'm must be getting more right wing as I agree with Chris on this
dizzyblonde
11-01-12, 03:44 PM
And, cure the welfare state. I know too many people who are scumbags who need shooting, never mind paying. But they're "entitled" to sit about spawning twocking little ASBO sh*ts who in turn, will need shooting.
Given the choice I'd probably employ a Polish bloke too...
I'm entitled to sit around spawning twocking asbo sh1ts, I do not contribute to state anymore, but have done greatly until last year. My OH works 40 hrs a week, pays tax etc and yes we are entitled to a small proportion of credits.
However, these days its better for our income if I do sit around on my ass all day, as the hours I have in the day to work, will not be paid to me, but to some fat cow in a day nursery, who lazily takes care of my baby.
I hope I don't need shooting with the other lot you are tarring me with:smt107
Personally working in the factory environment, I too would employ a polish bloke* to do work, well over lazy asian teenagers*, or fat ass English pie munchers*. I have had to priviledge of managing every sort possible including people from deepest Africa*.....work bloody hard, for garbage wage.
However in this current financial time, before I left Willy Wonkas there was an influx of English people temping, purely because they have realised there are jobs.....if you look hard enough!
* typical willy wonka temp employee....:rolleyes:
gruntygiggles
11-01-12, 03:51 PM
I agree with Chris too mostly.
I know a polish woman who works her backside off for very low wages and she is grateful to have the job...not moaning about getting up in the morning.
Not always, but very often, the work ethic is much better as they haven't grown up thinking the world owes them a living, but my problem is not with migration/immigration as such. My issue is with people coming to the country and not working. We have enough scroungers of our own. It is them that need dealing with!
maviczap
11-01-12, 03:53 PM
Grunty, were you reading the Daily Mail in the pub last night?
I was going to say the same thing :p
However a walk down our high street and you won't hear many local accents.
What most of these studies fail to highlight (or ignore) to raise the spectre of immigrants taking all our jobs, is that a lot of these immigrants are Polish, Latvian & Lithuanian and are legally entitled to come and work here under EU law.
The same will happen once Turkey joins & if Bulgaria & Romania are allowed to join the EU.
Plus they'll be entitled to claim certain benefits as well.
But conversely we can go and work in their countries too :smt064
Plus they'll be entitled to claim certain benefits as well.
But conversely we can go and work in their countries too :smt064
but i wonder what the scenario is, to go and work there, and claim benefits. will they be less than what would be given here? due to the cost of living and wages etc, i might just be economically viable for them to leave a job in romania, to come here and live on benefits etc.
maviczap
11-01-12, 04:07 PM
Oh yes, I wasn't saying we could do the same thing, one of the reasons they come here is the economic benefit.
I'm sure a Polish colleague told me that they don't get unemployment benefit in Poland, although I'm not 100% sure.
yorkie_chris
11-01-12, 04:08 PM
Oh yes, I wasn't saying we could do the same thing, one of the reasons they come here is the economic benefit.
I'm sure a Polish colleague told me that they don't get unemployment benefit in Poland, although I'm not 100% sure.
I heard 3 months benefits and then nothing.
maviczap
11-01-12, 04:15 PM
I heard 3 months benefits and then nothing.
Thats probably right, I know its nothing like the never ending payments here
andrewsmith
11-01-12, 04:16 PM
I'm entitled to sit around spawning twocking asbo sh1ts, I do not contribute to state anymore, but have done greatly until last year. My OH works 40 hrs a week, pays tax etc and yes we are entitled to a small proportion of credits.
However, these days its better for our income if I do sit around on my ass all day, as the hours I have in the day to work, will not be paid to me, but to some fat cow in a day nursery, who lazily takes care of my baby.
I hope I don't need shooting with the other lot you are tarring me with:smt107
Personally working in the factory environment, I too would employ a polish bloke* to do work, well over lazy asian teenagers*, or fat ass English pie munchers*. I have had to priviledge of managing every sort possible including people from deepest Africa*.....work bloody hard, for garbage wage.
However in this current financial time, before I left Willy Wonkas there was an influx of English people temping, purely because they have realised there are jobs.....if you look hard enough!
* typical willy wonka temp employee....:rolleyes:
DB I think YC was I referring to one who don't want to and won't work.
I have no issue with people using the system to their advantage when they have paid in a lot over the years.
Oh yes, I wasn't saying we could do the same thing, one of the reasons they come here is the economic benefit.
I'm sure a Polish colleague told me that they don't get unemployment benefit in Poland, although I'm not 100% sure.
They get a token amount, more an incentive from what interviews I saw on the Beeb before xmas
dizzyblonde
11-01-12, 04:17 PM
The same will happen once Turkey joins & are allowed to join the EU.
Don't worry, that'll only happen when they hand over Cyprus to the Greek Cypriots. They've had hold of it for 38 yrs, so it'll be a while yet;)
Plus also, they refuse to toughen up their borders, again, won't be joining until ...
Specialone
11-01-12, 04:48 PM
I was talking to a Greek bar owner in Crete last summer, I liked their system of benefits...
Every day throughout the year you worked you got a credit, this equates to a certain amount of unemployed benefit.
It's designed for the seasonal slump, work your nuts off in the tourist season then when it dies in the winter, the state bungs you a SMALL amount to get you by.
Btw, this didn't cause the Greek crash :)
dizzyblonde
11-01-12, 04:57 PM
Its like the French, if you lose your job, you get 90% of your wage paid as a benefit for 6 months, then after that you either find yourself a job.....or are fecked!
Dunno how they manage in the quiet periods in Cyprus, they're seperate from Greece.
Fallout
11-01-12, 05:39 PM
(In the words of Southpark)
Funniest shiz I've seen in a long time! Taaakkin ma jaaaaaa.
my problem is not with migration/immigration as such. My issue is with people coming to the country and not working. We have enough scroungers of our own. It is them that need dealing with!
Has any one seen saints and scroungers on tv ?....
gruntygiggles
11-01-12, 07:13 PM
Has any one seen saints and scroungers on tv ?....
Seen it on tv planner but never watched as never can at that time. I take it the title says it all?
Seen it on tv planner but never watched as never can at that time. I take it the title says it all?
saints are the one that really need the payment/welfare system.
And the scroungers take the Fxxx Pxx...:smt067
Specialone
11-01-12, 07:35 PM
Has any one seen saints and scroungers on tv ?....
Watched it today actually, the Asian 'single' parent renting a house with housing benefit and guess who her landlord was? Her husband .
maviczap
11-01-12, 07:42 PM
Watched it today actually, the Asian 'single' parent renting a house with housing benefit and guess who her landlord was? Her husband .
We're all in the wrong game :(
andrewsmith
11-01-12, 08:36 PM
Watched it today actually, the Asian 'single' parent renting a house with housing benefit and guess who her landlord was? Her husband .
There was one the other week someone claiming for 11 foster kids that she hadn't even met and the paperwork for 9 more.
Her excuse: "I thought it was legal"
Specialone
11-01-12, 08:45 PM
There was one the other week someone claiming for 11 foster kids that she hadn't even met and the paperwork for 9 more.
Her excuse: "I thought it was legal"
Yeah seen that, apart from her 4 kids the others didnt even exist lol
gruntygiggles
11-01-12, 09:07 PM
There was one the other week someone claiming for 11 foster kids that she hadn't even met and the paperwork for 9 more.
Her excuse: "I thought it was legal"
If she has kids of her own, I wouldn't want to see her behind bars, but she needs the book.throwing at her!
Bluefish
11-01-12, 09:55 PM
[QUOTE=gruntygiggles;2646998]If she has kids of her own, I wouldn't want to see her behind bars,QUOTE]
I would, then it would stop her being a bad influence on children in her so called care.
Specialone
11-01-12, 09:57 PM
I would, then it would stop her being a bad influence on children in her so called care.
Yep, just cos she gave birth to them don't mean she is the best thing for them.
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