Buying new C&S.

[Dunn-y]

I now have the money to buy a much needed new chain and sprockets. My current one has at least one stiff link and makes a noticeable noise when riding along even after a thorough clean and re-lube.

I currently have 15/45 sprockets but am thinking of getting the standard 15/44 setup for the S model, which I have.

Now I'm sorry if this has already been answered before. It probably has a million times but I'm having to use my PS3 as my laptop has decided to take a break and the PS3's web browser is pretty bad at the best of times.

Now it's time for the all to familiar 'what do you recommend'. So...

What do you recommend?

I'm also going to be buying a Scottoiler to help keep the chain happy.

I will be getting my local trusted garage to fit them but was wondering if you can remove and fit a rivet style chain without removing the swing arm?

Again sorry about the all to common answered a million times questions but using the PS3's web browser is just too much of a PITA. Hopefully have laptop sorted next week but want to order C&S and Scottoiler this weekend if possible.

Thanks in advance.

[Dunn-y]

I will be using someone elses computer to order the parts before someone asks how, given that my laptop has temporarily gone to sleep.

[andrewsmith]

DID if you want a set. About £100 retail

If not B&C express and build a set with a Tubaski chain.

[yorkie_chris]

Tsubaki sigma, JT steel sprockets, B and C express.

You can remove any chain, you just whack a grinder through it.

You can fit a rivet link chain without removing swingarm.

[Dunn-y]

Had a look on B&C Express. After putting in the model of my bike I checked the Drive Kits and saw 3.

A Tsubaki Omega O-Ring with Steel Sprockets for £95.44
A Tsubaki Alpha O-Ring with Steel Sprockets for £107.06
A Tsubaki Alpha X-Ring Gold with Steel Sprockets for £114.55

Link 1 - http://www.bandcexpress.co.uk/drive-kits/3140-st-mg-kit-with-steel-sprockets-and-tsubaki-o-ring.html
Link 2 - http://www.bandcexpress.co.uk/drive-kits/3140-st-ap-kit-with-steel-sprockets-and-tsubaki-o-ring.html
Link 3 - http://www.bandcexpress.co.uk/drive-kits/3140-st-apx-kit-with-steel-sprockets-and-tsubaki-x-ring-gold.html

I like the look of the Gold chains but was wondering if the X-Ring is worth the extra £20 and whats the difference between the Omega and Alpha O-Ring chains?

Thanks.

[yorkie_chris]

It's the grade, don't get the cheapest one. The sigma is the higher grade again and costs a bit more.

X rings aren't worth the extra cost.

[Dunn-y]

Ah OK. I couldn't find a Sigma O-Ring chain when I had my model selected. Or I'm just blind. I'll have a look again but if I can't see it I'll have search for all chains.

I'll post a link of the one I find as I'm not sure which one I would need. Never had to buy a chain before.

Thanks.

[yorkie_chris]

Just ring them...

[Dunn-y]

LOL. Good idea

[glang]

How bad is the old chain as all chains make a noise as they rotate. Stiff links can be sorted out with patience unless theres physical damage - the deciding factor is if the adjusters are at their limit....old chinese proverb: dont spend money unless u have to.

[timwilky]

Old English proverb

When you know something is dodgy and do nought, it will tits up at the most inopportune time. IE when 200 miles from home.

My personal philosophy when it comes to bikes is any worries/doubts, sort it. There is nothing worse than trying to ride and thinking something is wrong is it going to go bang and kick me off.

Once a chain has started to stretch, it seems to go down hill rapidly. Also the damage to the sprockets becomes exaggerated and causes the chain to wear even quicker. A spiralling deterioration.

[Dunn-y]

I've tried sorting out the stiff link multiple times but it just won't free up.

As for the noise... Well, at first I thought it was something loose as it sounded a bit like a rattle/ticking noise. However it is loudest when under power especially when I ride past something solid on my left. (bounces back the sound) The noise is still there even when I pull in the clutch but not when I'm stationary and revving the bike.

So the noise is coming from rear left and only when moving.

I admit when I first got the bike I didn't look after the chain as well as I should, probably why I'm having this issue now and one of the reasons I will be getting a Scottoiler. Also because I do 160 miles a week commuting.

[yorkie_chris]

O it will tits up at the most inopportune time. IE when 200 miles from home.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OHr_9SW_iGQ/TZOaNsTSgPI/AAAAAAAAAF8/TH7YQA2dzRU/s1600/Incident%2BPit.jpg

[Dunn-y]

The Sigma is over my budget. I have about £150 to buy Chain and Sprockets plus labour of fitting them which the garage I would take it to charges £35 per hour. I can't see it taking more than an hour to replace Chain and Sprockets by a professional.

Is there much difference in quality between the Alpha O-Ring and Sigma O-Ring?

This is the kit I would buy if there isn't much difference.

Link - http://www.bandcexpress.co.uk/drive-kits/3140-st-ap-kit-with-steel-sprockets-and-tsubaki-o-ring.html

My budget is low because I also need to buy a Scottoiler which is about £85 on B&C Express.

Link - http://www.bandcexpress.co.uk/chain/chain-accessories/so-kit-scottoiler-vsystem-the-original-scottoiler-kit-and-includes-500ml-of-scottoil.html

Thanks

[Geodude]

Tutoro chain oiler a cheaper alternative? Jayneflakes uses one afaik see here (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2626994&postcount=7) and give her a pm

[Dunn-y]

Looks interesting. Wonder how it automatically starts and stops oiling your chain without hooking up to the bikes vacuum or electrical system and without using any type of power source. (Batteries)

£60 for what looks to be an easy to install and 'does the job' product is very tempting. Especially the twin applicator.

[andrewsmith]

get the £20 manual one

Bike and Ride have rated it for a good while

[Dunn-y]

Would you recommend the twin applicator for both sides of the chain? Also old engine oil, as long as you put it through a filter of some kind first, ok to use? (stupid question as I read people use it in their Scottoilers)

[andrewsmith]

Twin mate.

YC should be able to advise better about using motor oil (I may do my self as gor 3 ltr of waste sitting there)

[Dunn-y]

Thanks. Think I will probably order one tomorrow. MUCH cheaper than I had planned for an oiler so I should be able to buy that Sigma grade O-Ring chain now. :D

[garynortheast]

You can buy decent working 2nd hand V-system Scottoilers for around 30 - 40 quid if you look around. Mine cost me £35 from an .org member.

[yorkie_chris]

Waste oil is great on chains so long as there is a constant or very regular supply of it.

Just take a bit of care when you drop it out of the bike, you don't want bits of road crud or fag ends in your scottoiler!

[Dunn-y]

The Tutoro manual oiler does basically the same job doesn't it? With the main difference being you have to manually turn it on/off at the start/end of a ride. The Twin nozzle Tutoro is only £17.49 and looks very easy to fit.