Why we have engines and kevlar reinforced gloves

[Kilted Ginger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8g1iH7I5mc

[Epic Monkey]

Also. Why I have a helmet cam for daily commute :)

[Stuuk1]

Scot on scot war. Love it!

Sorry...


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[maviczap]

Big ruffty tuffty car driver knocks cyclist off then drives off

Jeeez :smt009

Good on the Jag driver for stating the other car driver was a lunatic

Still he'll only get a slap on the wrist

[Reeder]

Didn't watch it with sound, but what a **** in the mondeo.

[timwilky]

No excuse for the mondao driver.

But, OK I haven't ridden a push bike since the 70s. But this guys positioning in the road especially in areas of solid white line seems deliberate to try to stop overtaking cars/trucks. Yes I know it is legal to cross to overtake a push bike but you shouldn't need to if he would ride to the left side of the road. So maybe his riding style had caused the driver to loose it. But like I say no excuse for forcing him off or the way he slammed in front.

I was glad to see he actually looked over his shoulder before attempting lane changes.

[Reeder]

The push bike shouldn't be forced to ride on the left side of the road. It's all about taking charge of your lane to stop people doing stupid overtakes or forcing you too close to the edge.... much like riding a motorbike?

[timwilky]

I agree he shouldn't be forced over. But a pushbike shouldn't be an obstacle to others though their poor lane position. He wasn't taking charge of his lane as much as blocking it to other road users.

If we are to argue our case for filtering. It is because we are narrow and do not take up much road space and can safely ride in a narrow space. If we behave like car drivers and follow the herd one behind the other we have lost our advantage of size.

[Reeder]

I personally didn't once think that his positioning was particularly poor.

[The Guru]

To be fair he doesn't exactly follow the highway code on some of his other videos. He's quite happy to bump up onto footpaths and ignore 'no entry' roadsigns.

[littleoldman2]

I personally didn't once think that his positioning was particularly poor.

At 2:32 just before the start of the incident he's smack in the middle of the lane effectively blocking the road, well before he needed to be to ensure he was in the correct lane for the island. This must have been very frustrating for the car driver who could see the gap in front and wanted to get to work that extra second earlier:). Then he deliberately places himself in a position of danger (as he now knows with certainty the car drivers likely action) and starts a testosterone fuelled argument :smt021.
In no way does his blocking the road condone the behaviour of the driver, who hopefully will have a visit from the police.

[Reeder]

If I remember correctly he was approaching a roundabout? He also kept checking over his shoulder what the cars were doing which to me would give an indication that he's going to be going into the right lane. If people really are so impatient that they have to shoot past at a place like that, then that's just stupid.

[Kilted Ginger]

Its a 3 lane entry to the roundabout, he was going straight through, did 2 shoulder checks before moving into position for roundabout entry. If you look at cars in front of him he's travelling not much slower than them in a 30.
Personally i dont think that matters anyway. suppose he was in "wrong" road position. does not excuse for a second the actions of the driver.
I've been looking at getting some form of cameras for bike or helmet for a while, this has spurred me on again. I feel a new thread starting.

[maviczap]

Its a 3 lane entry to the roundabout, he was going straight through, did 2 shoulder checks before moving into position for roundabout entry. If you look at cars in front of him he's travelling not much slower than them in a 30.
Personally i dont think that matters anyway. suppose he was in "wrong" road position. does not excuse for a second the actions of the driver.
I've been looking at getting some form of cameras for bike or helmet for a while, this has spurred me on again. I feel a new thread starting.

Agreed, and if it was me I'd be looking to get in my lane as early as possible to show my intentions.

All through the vid he'd maintained his road position well and other car drivers passed him without trying to take him out

[littleoldman2]

Its a 3 lane entry to the roundabout, he was going straight through, did 2 shoulder checks before moving into position for roundabout entry. If you look at cars in front of him he's travelling not much slower than them in a 30.
Personally i dont think that matters anyway. suppose he was in "wrong" road position. does not excuse for a second the actions of the driver.
I've been looking at getting some form of cameras for bike or helmet for a while, this has spurred me on again. I feel a new thread starting.

I'm not saying he was holding anyone up, in fact the gap was probably about 1 second. I'm just putting the point across that things are not as one sided as he would like them to appear. I think the two shoulder checks were because he could hear the car very close behind him and was 1. bothered, 2 showing the driver his concern. I'll be surprised if the car driver doesn't end up with a fair few well deserved points.
With respect to helmet cams I'm looking at the Gopro helmet hero for later this year. For reliving my rides and the wonderful scenery. However I wouldn't have posted this one on utube giving others the chance to view previous videos misdemeanour's.

[TheRamJam]

Before i did my motorcycle test, cycling to work was my main mode of transportation. I continued this for 3 years doing roughly 14 miles a day cycling on the road in busy traffic. Now am fat and take the car to work ;-)

Its only then do you see the scale such idiots behind the wheel of automobiles. I have been knocked off twice with impatient drivers wanting to get past me, drivers trying to squeeze by and clipping my elbow with their wing mirrors at traffic lights, been yelled at, had stuff flung at me etc etc

I try to keep as far left as possible to allow faster moving traffic to overtake without the need for them to swerve into opposing traffic. But sometimes its not always possible because of obstuctions on the left etc etc. I watched all the video and IMO there was not much wrong with the cyclists actions. Doing over the shoulder checks, early lane positioning, commanding his lane for the upcoming junction. If Mr Mondeo Man had an ounce of common sense he would understand what the cyclists next move was to be. Instead he try's to bully past and then slows right down for the upcoming R/A nearly causing a crash. Then after that dangerous manouvere he commits another crime by leaving the scene of an accident.

I really do hope that idiot motorist does get whats coming to him. His actions where dangerous and deliberate. I think most motorists think that becuase we cycle that we don't have the right to be there as we pay no road tax, nor insurance to be there.

[The Guru]

I agree that because we cycle we don't have the right to be there as we pay no road tax, nor insurance to be there.

Sorted for you

:smt043

[maviczap]

. I think most motorists think that becuase we cycle that we don't have the right to be there as we pay no road tax, nor insurance to be there.

No we don't pay ROAD TAX because it doesn't exist and hasn't done since Winston Churchill started the process to get rid of it.

Now its Vehicle Excise Duty and VED is based on the amount of CO2 emissions a vehicle produces, so cars pay and cyclists don't.

Tax for the upkeep of the roads comes out of general taxation and a cyclist on the way to his place of work has paid through his income tax to use the road.

[-Ralph-]

There was nothing wrong with the guys positioning, he was changing lane for the roundabout. Whether you think it was too early or not is a matter of opinion. There's nothing in the highway code that says you must get into lane at a particular juncture. A different point will be suitable each time depending on traffic conditions and how you are going to slot into the faster traffic. Perhaps with the queue of cars behind the Mondeo, he could see behind him wasn't going to get another suitable slot to change lane safely before he arrived at the roundabout and had to cut across.

I've been looking at getting some form of cameras for bike or helmet for a while, this has spurred me on again. I feel a new thread starting.

I've been wanting some for the dashboard and rear windscreen of the car mate!

[Reeder]

YES! Ralph agreed. I must be right :D

[Bri w]

YES! Ralph agreed. I must be right :D

He agreed with others but skipped over your post...;):mrgreen:

[-Ralph-]

He agreed with others but skipped over your post...;):mrgreen:

I never even read Reeder's post.

[Stuuk1]

The cyclist most probably ****ed the car driver off in the past.




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[Reeder]

Regardless, was the same point :)

[maviczap]

The cyclist most probably ****ed the car driver off in the past. ..

So its ok for him to knock him off his bike and potentially kill or seriously injure him?

Using your phrasology, its not a very educated comment

That's a pretty uneducated comment.

It's the one time that the drug user leaves drugs lying around and your son/daughter picks it up and eats it thinking its a sweet.

I once worked at Centre Point at the end of Oxford Street, the opening party included Famous actors, models etc. the next morning when building work resumed, the toilet work surfaces were covered in cocaine.---
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