View Full Version : A very close call
Closest I've seen in a long time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BBl2-OFqRyI
The Idle Biker
11-02-12, 08:33 PM
Bad rider. Bad bad. Basic counter steering needed and every other decent cornering technique needed. New pants needed!
Lucky guy, Well saved'ish i suppose :pale:
Danny
andrewsmith
11-02-12, 08:55 PM
Lucky guy.
Simple overcook by the looks of it
Trying too hard to keep up with his obviously far more talented mates, then he nearly wiped out the guy following as he rejoined his lane - Idiot.
You can hear him/her shut the throttle as soon as they ran slightly wide. Lucky to keep it shiny side up and lucky not to be person páte
metalangel
11-02-12, 09:36 PM
Knowing it coming was bad, still didn't prepare me. :pale:
yorkie_chris
11-02-12, 09:52 PM
Silly *rse!
Fallout
11-02-12, 09:57 PM
1 life down. How many left? Lucky fool!
littleoldman2
11-02-12, 10:00 PM
I'm saying nowt, don't want to temp fate:)
muzikill
11-02-12, 10:01 PM
Knew he was too close to that inside line for the right hander. Its obvious hes a coasting type rider and this type of riding doesnt suit him. He didnt counter steer.... I mean wtf.
MisterTommyH
11-02-12, 10:14 PM
I'd like to hope I wouldn't make that mistake, but like little old man said - best not to tempt fate.
Personally I think the re-join was much worse...... Don't think I'd have been very happy if I was the other rider.
joshwalker094
11-02-12, 10:15 PM
i've had a close call like that, but i was angry and venting my anger through riding like a prat. ****s you up, but that was very close
Red Herring
12-02-12, 01:57 AM
Typical inconsiderate rider if you ask me, I mean is it really necessary to ride everywhere on full beam.
Wasnt his turn to go I guess, Gods got other plans for this dude. Nice save on the truck though.
You seen this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1Tusk_RJU
The numpties in this thread are the ones that call him for it because we've ALL overcooked it at some time or other.
All of us!
;-)
X
Wasnt his turn to go I guess, Gods got other plans for this dude. Nice save on the truck though.
You seen this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1Tusk_RJU
The guy in this video deserves to be jailed, the road is no place for that kind of riding.
Wasnt his turn to go I guess, Gods got other plans for this dude. Nice save on the truck though.
You seen this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1Tusk_RJU
He did well to avoid, as did the car
-Ralph-
12-02-12, 01:52 PM
Some of the comments in this thread about what he did wrong are claptrap. If you don't really know what you're talking about - stop typing! But yeah the guy is riding beyond his ability, simples.
Biker Biggles
12-02-12, 01:59 PM
Typical inconsiderate rider if you ask me, I mean is it really necessary to ride everywhere on full beam.
Well if you are going to put in such a dazzling performance------:cool:
And yes,wrong line,too fast,unsettled bike=c0ck up.
And we've all done and hopefully learned from it.
Specialone
12-02-12, 02:10 PM
The numpties in this thread are the ones that call him for it because we've ALL overcooked it at some time or other.
All of us!
;-)
X
Some of the comments in this thread about what he did wrong are claptrap. If you don't really know what you're talking about - stop typing! But yeah the guy is riding beyond his ability, simples.
Agreed, I certainly have over cooked corners for one reason or another.
I have gone in to a set of hairpins and fast bends in France and got slightly out of rhythm and on one left hand corner just fixated and even though I could've easily made it, I just braked hard and locked up the rear before coming to my senses and just taking the corner and not hitting a 6ft high wall.
My point is sometimes it's possible to fixate on something and it affects your ability to make a corner that normally wouldn't be a problem.
In the op, the particular corner wasn't really a fast corner or much tighter than the others he'd just rode, he fixated when he realised he wasn't set up properly and went into panic mode rather than avoidance by just making the corner.
Specialone
12-02-12, 02:24 PM
Wasnt his turn to go I guess, Gods got other plans for this dude. Nice save on the truck though.
You seen this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1Tusk_RJU
Old clip that, ride like this on a regular basis and it's when, not if you will end up a ksi statistic.
Sid Squid
12-02-12, 07:13 PM
Let he/she* who is without a **** up cast the first stone.
Which is not to excuse rubbish riding, in this case it would certainly seem to be over-reaching his abilities, but who amongst us has never properly ****ed up? It's not the error which is the point, solely the consequences, fortunately in this circumstance the only casualty seems to have been his shreddies.
*No prejudice - everyone screws up sooner or later.
21QUEST
12-02-12, 08:08 PM
You can almost predict what the 'band wagon' would me spurting in these sorts of threads...usually, a load of Boll*ox :-P
As has been said by a Berlin, Ralph et al , let does who have never made a mistake, raise their pinkies :D .
Even funnier, is readign folks saying "ooh, the way, he rejoined was even worse" . That just proves the point that, many a folk actually do not have a clue...well, atleast appear that way, once they 'get started' .
Did anyone questioning how rider got back onto his side of the road, in an incorrect manner, actually bother to think for a moment, what thought processes mustt have been going on at that moment in time? dDid you notice what was on the left verge(whilst he was on the wrong side of the road)?.
Furthermore, I'd actually call the rider following more of a moron. Why? Go back and watch the video, count the seconds before the rider came past(just as he rejoined right side of teh road) and then perhaps, you'd arrive at a different view....
yorkie_chris
12-02-12, 09:18 PM
Furthermore, I'd actually call the rider following more of a moron. Why? Go back and watch the video, count the seconds before the rider came past(just as he rejoined right side of teh road) and then perhaps, you'd arrive at a different view....
OTOH would you really want to stop anywhere near that incident? Considering the chances of the truck swerving perhaps it was better to try and ride past the danger zone. Maybe, I'm not sure.
Specialone
12-02-12, 09:27 PM
When you're following someone, you have the added benefit of being able to see more in your view than the person in front, so, IMO, the following rider could react easier to the rider rejoining his side of the road, than an adrenalin filled, shaking rider who's just narrowly avoided a head on, he wouldn't exactly be thinking straight at that moment, whereas following rider could do something to avoid any collision.
As others have said, we're too quick to criticise.
muzikill
12-02-12, 09:47 PM
Why was the rider following a moron? Considering how long the guy videoing this took to rejoin and the speed he was doing the other rider must have been a couple of corners behind so was oblivious to what went on. The main rider went onto the dirty side on the opposite side of the road. He then rejoined just as the last of the traffic passed him so the guy following behind didnt see him blinded by the last of the traffic and had just ridden round the corner where the whole incident happened. The guy who created this should have stayed put at the side of the road and sorted his head out. His eagerness to rejoin and subsequent actions almost causing another incident says it all. If I was the rider behind him I would have knocked his head off at the next rest stop. Not the right reaction, I know.
Owenski
13-02-12, 09:52 AM
Im actually gonna credit the rider for keeping a cool head.
I dont see much wrong with anything he does maybe a slight loss of concentration as his entry line isnt brilliant but after that the guy does fantasticly IMO.
Im suspecting its low adesion which is to blame and here's why:
At 29s he is still tipping in, but everything looks fine, then his front goes a bit loose, this is fractions of a second before the car comes into view
At 30s he's drifting towards the centre line, and seems to drift wide quicker than you'd normally expect,
At 31s he is crossing the yellow lines and there is another black skid mark almost perfectly projecting the line you'd expect him to take from this point of the slide.
At 32s he misses the car by a cat **** hair, and then has fighter pilot composure to miss steer around the truck.
at 33s look in the RH lane just after he passes the truck and there is a continuation of the skid mark seen at 31s this heads stright into the banking.
He isnt the first person to loose control on this corner and I thats why I suspect the surface is largely to blame, and why I say he's done fantastically.
Jayneflakes
13-02-12, 02:41 PM
Both of those videos put my heart in my mouth!
Last time I got it wrong was pulling on to a roundabout, right in front of a black car! It was dark, but he had lights on and I just did not see him, scared the poo out of me that did. Went home and felt lucky to have a bike in one piece. Getting it wrong can be so simple and yet so horribly painful if you are unlucky.
Owenski
14-02-12, 12:01 AM
Both of those videos put my heart in my mouth!
Last time I got it wrong was pulling on to a roundabout, right in front of a black car! It was dark, but he had lights on and I just did not see him, scared the poo out of me that did. Went home and felt lucky to have a bike in one piece. Getting it wrong can be so simple and yet so horribly painful if you are unlucky.
Jane sweet heart, it's meant to be the cars which SMIDSY us not the other way around ;-)
xXBADGERXx
14-02-12, 12:21 AM
Let`s face facts .... this happens , we`ve all done something silly and you hope that you learn from it all . I have ridden with Berlin and a quite a few others on here and they have witnessed me having a good day and then all of a sudden I will drop back and retire myself further down the pack . I know when my limits of concentration are being exhausted and I am likely to have an "incident" . You have to push to know where your limits are , then stick to those limits and back off and ride another day .
Specialone
14-02-12, 12:26 AM
Let`s face facts .... this happens , we`ve all done something silly and you hope that you learn from it all . I have ridden with Berlin and a quite a few others on here and they have witnessed me having a good day and then all of a sudden I will drop back and retire myself further down the pack . I know when my limits of concentration are being exhausted and I am likely to have an "incident" . You have to push to know where your limits are , then stick to those limits and back off and ride another day .
I found the same in france, id have 2-3 hours (or a barmy 5 mins as i call it) in the day when i felt on it (by my standards) and focused but as you say i felt that focus going sometimes so just backed off a bit when i didnt feel confident.
I also feel during these times, my chances of an 'incident' are greatly increased.
xXBADGERXx
14-02-12, 12:36 AM
They are , I nearly got beheaded by a trailer because I went "off the boil" and didn`t pay attention . Even wrote it up on here a couple of years back .
Im actually gonna credit the rider for keeping a cool head.
I dont see much wrong with anything he does maybe a slight loss of concentration as his entry line isnt brilliant but after that the guy does fantasticly IMO.
Im suspecting its low adesion which is to blame and here's why:
At 29s he is still tipping in, but everything looks fine, then his front goes a bit loose, this is fractions of a second before the car comes into view
At 30s he's drifting towards the centre line, and seems to drift wide quicker than you'd normally expect,
At 31s he is crossing the yellow lines and there is another black skid mark almost perfectly projecting the line you'd expect him to take from this point of the slide.
At 32s he misses the car by a cat **** hair, and then has fighter pilot composure to miss steer around the truck.
at 33s look in the RH lane just after he passes the truck and there is a continuation of the skid mark seen at 31s this heads stright into the banking.
He isnt the first person to loose control on this corner and I thats why I suspect the surface is largely to blame, and why I say he's done fantastically.
"At 32s he misses the car by a cat **** hair, and then has fighter pilot composure to miss steer around the truck.
I say he's done fantastically."
I second that. we all mess up so give him a well done...
Red Herring
14-02-12, 05:26 AM
....... You have to push to know where your limits are , then stick to those limits and back off and ride another day .
Not on the public road you don't, leastways not into a blind bend where your mistake could involve others. "Accidents" if I could be permitted to use an old fashioned term, don't just happen, they are an obvious consequence to an often chosen course of behaviour and this was a classic example. I know that some motorcyclists like to push it along a bit, myself included, and I'd like to think we all know and accept the risks we are putting ourselves at when we do so, but none of us have the right to include others in that risk. If you want to look for your limits do it somewhere that isn't going to ruin somebody else's life when you find them. Sorry, I know I sound like a right boring fart sometimes but this "didn't he do well" attitude really gets my goat.
Not on the public road you don't, leastways not into a blind bend where your mistake could involve others. "Accidents" if I could be permitted to use an old fashioned term, don't just happen, they are an obvious consequence to an often chosen course of behaviour and this was a classic example. I know that some motorcyclists like to push it along a bit, myself included, and I'd like to think we all know and accept the risks we are putting ourselves at when we do so, but none of us have the right to include others in that risk. If you want to look for your limits do it somewhere that isn't going to ruin somebody else's life when you find them. Sorry, I know I sound like a right boring fart sometimes but this "didn't he do well" attitude really gets my goat.
IMHO "didn't he do well" it could have been fatal for himself and the other people involved.
i'm just prasing his skill and his LUCK to pull it off.
Red Herring
14-02-12, 05:38 AM
I didn't see to much skill there. Luck, well yeah, I can't deny him that, but you can't praise someone for something they have no control over.
Agree..............and now he's got 8 left.
BanannaMan
14-02-12, 06:00 AM
Trying too hard to keep up with his obviously far more talented mates, then he nearly wiped out the guy following as he rejoined his lane - Idiot.
+1
I see nothing but poor riding here.
Bad lines and lean angles, obviously trying to ride beyond his skills to keep up, no evasive action towards the first car, locking the rear wheel, nearly taking out another rider and that's just the highlights!
Lucky idiot.
Bill you got right Lucky idiot. lol.
-Ralph-
14-02-12, 08:05 AM
i felt that focus going sometimes so just backed off a bit when i didnt feel confident.
I also feel during these times, my chances of an 'incident' are greatly increased.
The problems start when you don't feel that focus fading, but it is fading unbeknownst to you (or in the case of an early morning it was never there yet). Also when other things start to intrude on your mind other than the riding.
The first and last hour after leaving and before you arrive home on a day out on the bike are the most dangerous all day.
-Ralph-
14-02-12, 08:10 AM
Lucky idiot.
+1
You might think he had good survival reactions when faced with the front of the second car, but that's it, the rest was just him riding beyond his limits, fecking it up then reverting to pure instinctive survival reactions, during which time luck is your only friend.
Nothing to do with the road surface IMHO. The existing skid marks could be a month old. How many thousands other cars and bikes got round there safely (including his faster mates in front) since those skid marks were left by a different idiot?
the_lone_wolf
14-02-12, 10:18 AM
Typical idiot rider...
...riding with his main beam on like that...
Clearly a very talented rider to get out of such a sticky situation.
Nobbylad
14-02-12, 10:49 AM
Clearly untalented to get there in the first place.
Owenski
14-02-12, 11:11 AM
Is it luck that he didnt grab a fist full of front, lock up and go under the first car?
Is it luck that he didnt highside after clearing the car and getting the bike back under?
Is it luck that he didnt just stear right back into his own lane and thus into the front of the first truck?
Is it luck that once going left of the truck and onto dirt he once again didnt brake so that he locked up and washed out?
Is it luck that he didnt hit the 2nd rider coming around after going back into his lane?
If you're putting all that down to luck then this guy rides on the wings of angels! Yes there were undoubtably elements of luck involved Im not doubting that but his composure saved his ass IMO.
I dont know the guy, I cant judge his mental state or his skill level, I've seen 30seconds of his riding prior to a near miss which I hope none on here are ever going to experiance for them selves. In that 30 seconds all I see is some routine rideout riding, then some blinding composure flavoured with luck which when combined result in an almost holywood style accident dodge.
I dont condone his riding style but none of us when asked would ever say we did. Thats despite every single one of us on here having at some point done it ourselves making it another example of the fine hypocritical BS which poisons this forum.
RH, I've seen your riding vids and Im aware of your general career so I know you've got the skill and experiance to back up your opinion which is why I'll respect it. I just dont agree with it, just as it seems nor do you agree with mine no hard feelings.
AndyBrad
14-02-12, 01:43 PM
id be dead!
andreis
14-02-12, 01:45 PM
I agree with Owenski in stating that the guy had incredible composure AFTER he f'ed it up. I'd say it's luck that got him past the first car, skill and composure got him past the second and third, a great deal of luck got him to not loose it in the gravel, BUT it was stupidity that got him in it in the first place :
1. He was clearly riding too fast for road visibility conditions : you can not see far enough into the curve (you can judge this by the number of seconds it takes from when something comes into FOV until it gets next to him and compare that to the number of seconds it takes to brake at ~80)
2. He was clearly riding too fast for road surface conditions : it's clear that the road is full of road snakes (the tar sealed cracks) which are very slippery and it's likely (probably less likely than target fixation) that it's what got him in danger in the first place
3. He was clearly riding too fast for road skill conditions : the lines are bad (okay, not really really bad, but definitely not good) and you can hear he doesn't roll on in the curves (and usually he's in the wrong speed to even do a roll on - he's almost redlining through some curves)
Bottom line is that yes, we all c0ck it up sometimes. I have, at least. The thing is, it's the fact that he clearly did not invest in his riding education before investing in the biggest and greatest engine. And it's THAT kind of behavior that I blame. The rest is just a game of chance, it's just that some are far less likely to come under fire than others (risk management).
-Ralph-
14-02-12, 02:11 PM
Everything that kept him out of an ambulance, except not hitting the second car, was luck, IMO of course
Balky001
14-02-12, 02:30 PM
I have to agree with Ralph on that, lots of luck with some skill (or just survival instinct) inbetween.
Whether we have all done it before doesn't make it better but maybe more understandable.
This thread is quite polar.
Its filled with those who know what they're talking about and those with no bloody clue! :-)
tactcom7
14-02-12, 02:39 PM
He's lucky he's not dead, and he did well to stay up and not hit the other two, I'm sure he learned his lesson, ride within your limits.
I was only joking anyway. He was lucky not to get hit.
Could see which corner he was about to **** up on eaassssssiiiiiilyyy because it clearly looked like he was going way too fast.
Either way I'm sure he won't be trying that corner that quickly again.
Specialone
14-02-12, 03:28 PM
I've just watched this a few times over and his speed at the entrance to the bend was under 90 ( mph I assume) so not overly fast for that bend, I admit it's quicker than I'd take but I'm crap, but he couldve easily shaved 20 mph off that speed very quickly but chose not to.
IMO, I think he got out the groove and target fixated so didn't take evasive action until way over the wrong side of the road.
Either way, let's hope he learnt from it.
I meant too fast compared to the previous corners he'd been taking.
plowsie
14-02-12, 04:23 PM
I want his luck.
Owenski
14-02-12, 04:34 PM
I want his composure lol:smt117
hindle8907
14-02-12, 04:55 PM
Ill take his bike then .
Owenski
14-02-12, 04:56 PM
SOLD to the expectant farther.
xXBADGERXx
14-02-12, 11:34 PM
Not on the public road you don't, leastways not into a blind bend where your mistake could involve others.
I could have worded that better . What I meant is that from the moment we opt to ride a bike and cast our leg over one , we are pushing ourselves past our normal comfort zone . Remember the first exhilerating ride ? I still do to this day . Remember all the faffing with the clutch , the bad shifts , dodgy pull outs from junctions ? Eventually you smooth all of that out and become a better rider . Once you get all of that out of the way you are refining your riding . With that refinement you tend to find your limits . And I am not on about riding like a plank on a Sunday , but sometimes you get a bit too relaxed about your riding and make a mistake ..... it is this time that you realise you have to be vigilant and a bit more aware of your environment , your observations , your limitations .
It takes a long time to learn your craft , even some of the old Dogs get taught a lesson sometimes , but getting to be an old Dog in the saddle isn`t just blind luck ... it`s because you had "moments" and learnt from them . As a nipper on a 2 Stroke , I learnt a lot in that time ......... Lots of lessons that have stayed with me to this day . Then graduating to more powerful bikes came with a whole bunch of other lessons that needed to be learnt , but I already had a foundation to work from . Probably a lot of holes in what I have said , but I am distracted at the moment by knockers on the TV :smt080
-Ralph-
14-02-12, 11:37 PM
It's a good job it wasn't a left hander, he'd be making a close inspection of that cliff face.
Specialone
14-02-12, 11:43 PM
SOLD to the expectant farther.
Does that mean hes a long distance father? ;)
plowsie
15-02-12, 02:28 PM
And the bloke doing silly speeds and avoids that car somehow, might be a complete end of a bell...but, that's a combination of luck and serious reaction timing on all parts, be it his, and the drivers.
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