View Full Version : Highway code: Use the full amount of road space available
Paul the 6th
15-02-12, 04:06 PM
Can anyone point me in the direction of the highway code rule where it says "Use the full amount of roadspace available" - specifically looking for the rule number/clause/whatever..
They spent 6 months ripping up york ring road last year, turning 1 lane into 2 lanes on the approach to a roundabout, and then again when coming away from the roundabout the 2 lanes merge into one..
ONLY NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THIS COUNTRY - so they all queue in the nearside lane thus causing the queue to extend back 200 metres and block the roundabout/junctions etc. The few of us that take an interest in roadcraft and driving standards know to use the outside lane up untl the 'merge in' arrows. Except the mongo's in the nearside lane see this as pushing in and close up all the gaps because they think that the highway code gives right of way to whoever has been queing longest..
I've had enough and am making up some decals to stick on the back of the van, a kin to the ones on busses where it says 'let the bus pull out; highway code rule 28' or whatever it is. Actually, might just stick some bus ones on..
/rant.
So which rule number is it people need to go and read up on?
Same thing happened on my route home from work. We British do love to queue don't we?
dizzyblonde
15-02-12, 05:07 PM
Hahaha we play this on a two lane road into Happifax from Hudds. It is however a bit frustrating when you are in the queue due to the fact it turns into one bottleneck. People charge down the outside like the clappers and barge in at the end of the road for them. Had loads od cars trying to knock me off filtering and purposely pulling out a little to block the way.
What I want to know is who changed the rule of 'give way to the right' on a roundabout to
'I WAS HERE FIRST!!!!!' on your left.
My dad had a near miss with a big Range Rover driving woman Monday, he looked left, then right, drove across the mini roundabout and jammed on the brakes, just as this truck charged into view. He got out of the car and I WAS HERE FIRST, was what came out of her mouth!!!!
Its the same roundabout that I nearly ploughed into the engine of a transit at 5am on the way to work, because he charged out from the left.
-Ralph-
15-02-12, 05:45 PM
Don't recall ever seeing it in the highway code. Just on signs along the route 'Use both lanes', followed by 'Merge in Turn', even then people queue.
A tip that I find almost always works (for me anyway) is to take up the position where I want to move into the queue, stop completely, put the indicator on, and wait. The first car might not let you in, the second might not even let you in, but the third will probably leave a gap flash you. There usually aren't that many people bloody minded enough to block you out. Stopping your wheels rolling and sitting still with the indicator on whilst people go push past you is seen as 'asking' to be let into the queue, and makes those who block you out look like the a**holes, whereas if you keep rolling with the queue, you are seen as 'pushing' your way into the queue and you are the a**hole.
Bluepete
15-02-12, 05:47 PM
Just think how much love I spread around whilst out in one of our unliveried cars and use that lane, or a roundabout properly.
Reactions say everything about what kind of a driver you are. Invariably, I find most people are **** drivers!
Driving has stopped being a group activity where everyone works together to get to destinations quickly and safely. It's now purely and simply "driver versus the rest of 'em"
Defensive driving is ow the only way. That is, EVERYONE is out to kill you.
Pete ;)
dizzyblonde
15-02-12, 05:51 PM
OOO what a geek....its rule 185!
Take that with your 'I was here first rule' :lol:
-Ralph-
15-02-12, 06:11 PM
Can anyone point me in the direction of the highway code rule where it says "Use the full amount of roadspace available" - specifically looking for the rule number/clause/whatever..
They spent 6 months ripping up york ring road last year, turning 1 lane into 2 lanes on the approach to a roundabout, and then again when coming away from the roundabout the 2 lanes merge into one..
ONLY NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THIS COUNTRY - so they all queue in the nearside lane thus causing the queue to extend back 200 metres and block the roundabout/junctions etc. The few of us that take an interest in roadcraft and driving standards know to use the outside lane up untl the 'merge in' arrows. Except the mongo's in the nearside lane see this as pushing in and close up all the gaps because they think that the highway code gives right of way to whoever has been queing longest..
I've had enough and am making up some decals to stick on the back of the van, a kin to the ones on busses where it says 'let the bus pull out; highway code rule 28' or whatever it is. Actually, might just stick some bus ones on..
/rant.
So which rule number is it people need to go and read up on?
OOO what a geek....its rule 185!
Take that with your 'I was here first rule' :lol:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338
Nope, am I missing something? Don't see anything there about using both lanes and merging in turn.
dizzyblonde
15-02-12, 06:14 PM
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338
Nope, am I missing something? Don't see anything there about using both lanes and merging in turn.
sorry, I was talking to my own post.
Fallout
15-02-12, 07:47 PM
Lane nobs! I feel your pain Paul.
As another random example, my local community has seen fit to rewrite roundabout lane rules for my nearest roundabout. It's a four exit roundabout, all exits evenly spaced, and single lane exits, but one of the entrances is double laned. To me, this obviously means left lane for left and straight on, right lane for right, but for some reason people use the right lane to go straight on. Everyone does!
Sounds a bit pedantic, but I've almost been killed twice. I get in the left lane, wait for cars on the roundabout to pass, ride to go straight on and have cars cutting me up every time! It's so bad, that I have to use the right lane to go straight on, otherwise I'll get murdered, but this freaks me out, cos as soon as someone does it right and goes in the left lane, I'll be cutting them up. Also, I spend so much time deciding which lanes I'm gonna bloody use (correct lane, or sheep lane?) that I've pulled out before without looking and almost put my face into the bonnet of a transit van.
I always use the left lane when I'm in the car though. I won't entertain these fools!
andrewsmith
15-02-12, 08:16 PM
Just think how much love I spread around whilst out in one of our unliveried cars and use that lane, or a roundabout properly.
Reactions say everything about what kind of a driver you are. Invariably, I find most people are **** drivers!
Driving has stopped being a group activity where everyone works together to get to destinations quickly and safely. It's now purely and simply "driver versus the rest of 'em"
Defensive driving is ow the only way. That is, EVERYONE is out to kill you.
Pete ;)
:smt039
I know what you mean about the Ring road Paul. They do it at night with sod all on the road (the times I've used it)
Defensive driving in built up areas is a must nowdays, hence why I've started skirting right round it and only spending 5 minutes in the rush hour jams
punyXpress
15-02-12, 08:28 PM
From Paul6:
" They spent 6 months ripping up york ring road last year, turning 1 lane into 2 lanes on the approach to a roundabout, and then again when coming away from the roundabout the 2 lanes merge into one.. "
Not helped by the fact that to go straight ahead, sometimes you use the left lane, other times the other.
Due to traffic you cannot see the signs on the road until you are beyond the point of no return!
You want rule 134 for merging in turn, but it isn't a "you should do this" type of guideline:
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.
ONLY NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THIS COUNTRY - so they all queue in the nearside lane thus causing the queue to extend back 200 metres and block the roundabout/junctions etc. The few of us that take an interest in roadcraft and driving standards know to use the outside lane up untl the 'merge in' arrows. Except the mongo's in the nearside lane see this as pushing in and close up all the gaps because they think that the highway code gives right of way to whoever has been queing longest..
What bugs me is when some utter twunt decides to sit in the outside lane miles back from the point where you should merge in turn, thereby blocking the road behind, more often than not causing disruption on a busy roundabout or junction.
My little sister got caught behind one in a Vauxhall Combo van a few months ago with me in the car, she flashed the guy in front, he ignored her, she then gave him a friendly toot on the horn to let him know she was there, he responded by flicking the Vs at her through the window and stopping dead. Lil sis then got out of her car (all 4'11" and size 6 of her)** and approached the guy's car, he got out just as she got there and swung round quite threateningly on her to be faced with her police warrant card right in his face... she then verbally ripped him a new rectal passage after which he joined the left hand lane and allowed a long queue of cars to move off the roundabout as they filtered up to the merge point.
When I come across these idiots on the bike I make sure I go up the inside and bend their nearside mirror to a point they can't use it to move across to the left lane, meaning they have to stop and get out to put it right again. I find it's usually HGV drivers and drivers of Transit vans who are the main culprits.
** She's the shortest copper on the local force.
P.S. KG - I don't appreciate my posts being retro-edited, hence the re-edit. Thanks.
Bluepete
15-02-12, 09:32 PM
** She's the shortest copper on the local force.
Is her nickname Laptop?
'cos she's a small PC?
Pete ;)
Bluefish
15-02-12, 09:48 PM
Or Persil, small and mighty ;)
Paul the 6th
15-02-12, 09:55 PM
Penny? Copper... Small.... Penny?
-Ralph-
15-02-12, 09:57 PM
Stuff about tit's who think it's their job to control traffic flow
+1, complete idiots
yorkie_chris
15-02-12, 10:49 PM
I've had some wazzock try to stop me in the outside lane within 10 yards of a "use both lanes" sign.
F***ing spastics should be shot if ever seen even reaching for the car keys...
Shay.Kelsey
16-02-12, 12:21 AM
Unfortunately mate the arrom means overtaking traffic move back to the left, the nearside lane actually has right of way as they were there first. In the real world you should merge, but were you to have an accident then you would be at fault as you were moving into a lane and the other vehicle has right of way. Occasionally you will see this arrow on the left lane pointing right (usually in cases where the footpath widens or moves out in which case the offside lane has right of way. Don't shoot the messenger I think its ****ing stupid too but this is the legal aspect of it.
Is her nickname Laptop?
'cos she's a small PC?
Pete ;)
Haha, very good - I'll remember that one :D
aaron020873
16-02-12, 12:53 AM
i love reading these threads, it's like only .orgers know how to drive. :)
i love reading these threads, it's like only .orgers know how to RIDE. :)
Corrected 4 U :0)... No, No need to thank....:albino:
yorkie_chris
16-02-12, 09:24 AM
Unfortunately mate the arrom means overtaking traffic move back to the left, the nearside lane actually has right of way as they were there first. In the real world you should merge, but were you to have an accident then you would be at fault
It's not unfortunate that the arrow means to move back to the left, that's what it says, it's a perfectly reasonable statement for a lowly arrow to make.
It doesn't say "please be a complete c*** and block overtaking traffic from merging while maintaining a smug sense of righteous superiority". Capiche?
"If you were to have an accident" well that depends on the fackin accident doesn't it. What if you are halfway merged because someone's let you in, and someone drives into the back of you? Who's at fault then?
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 10:10 AM
Found more stuff wrong with the van Chris? :razz:
Shay.Kelsey
16-02-12, 10:47 AM
What if you are halfway merged because someone's let you in, and someone drives into the back of you? Who's at fault then?
If you were halfway merged because someone let you in... You missing the point in this topic. It's about the idiots that dont let you back in, and if you pull into the path of one of these idiots I. The nearside accident then its your fault, end of. If someone drives into the back of you while your merging because they don't know what the duck their doing then they would have to be in the right hand lane because as you statedthe car in the left hand lane has allowed you in so that lane is now blocked.
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 11:43 AM
Actually the point of the topic was to find out which bit of highway code stipulates what so many people either don't know about or actively decide that their idea of how things should be done is above the law. But it has turned into another rant thread :) :razz:
Next topic: it is always the customer in fronts responsibility to put the 'next customer' divider on the conveyor belt.. Or they can pay for my shopping.
punyXpress
16-02-12, 12:01 PM
Rule 116 ?
Bet you rule the airport carousels, Paul! ;)
dizzyblonde
16-02-12, 12:29 PM
Next topic: it is always the customer in fronts responsibility to put the 'next customer' divider on the conveyor belt.. Or they can pay for my shopping.
Do you get cross when someone puts the trolley back rather than swapping coins with you too?
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 12:32 PM
Ah ha actually dizzee I've got a lucrative scam going on with the old trolly/coin swap.
You walk up to a person taking their trolly back and say "oh are you putting that back?" they say yes, then you say "oh right well give us a quid and I'll take it off your hands"..
It's worked twice. One of the times was on the same day where I paid for a sandwich and crisps with a fiver and got change as if I'd paid with a tenner..
Owenski
16-02-12, 12:33 PM
I've said it before Paulo and I'll say it again, you worry too much.
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 12:33 PM
Rule 116 ?
Bet you rule the airport carousels, Paul! ;)
Did a moon walk on one once.. got told off by the airport police people though :(
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 12:35 PM
I've said it before Paulo and I'll say it again, you worry too much.
When you put a hot drink in a flask, how does it know to keep it hot? How does it never ever get confused and think that you might want it to be kept cold?
How. does. it. know?
Owenski
16-02-12, 12:37 PM
Vacuum pal,
The vacuum is vacant, therefore none conductive. With no ability to conduct heat there is reduced heat loss and as such the content stays warm. If you were to fill it with a cold drink then you'd have the same effect inverted.
dizzyblonde
16-02-12, 01:03 PM
Ah ha actually dizzee I've got a lucrative scam going on with the old trolly/coin swap.
You walk up to a person taking their trolly back and say "oh are you putting that back?" they say yes, then you say "oh right well give us a quid and I'll take it off your hands"..
It's worked twice. One of the times was on the same day where I paid for a sandwich and crisps with a fiver and got change as if I'd paid with a tenner..
:smt043:smt043:smt075
Priceless!
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 01:07 PM
Vacuum pal,
The vacuum is vacant, therefore none conductive. With no ability to conduct heat there is reduced heat loss and as such the content stays warm. If you were to fill it with a cold drink then you'd have the same effect inverted.
But how does it know?
yorkie_chris
16-02-12, 01:25 PM
If you were halfway merged because someone let you in... You missing the point in this topic. It's about the idiots that dont let you back in, and if you pull into the path of one of these idiots I. The nearside accident then its your fault, end of. If someone drives into the back of you while your merging because they don't know what the duck their doing then they would have to be in the right hand lane because as you statedthe car in the left hand lane has allowed you in so that lane is now blocked.
If you were stationary and someone drove into your front corner I doubt it would be 100% your fault given that the slow moving car on the left could have stopped easily.
That is a really different kettle of fish to you saying "if you overtake traffic perfectly legally it is definitively your fault if you have an accident when merging"
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 01:27 PM
Oil pump must have gone maybe?
yorkie_chris
16-02-12, 01:28 PM
Worse :(
Realised I have no rear view mirror to hang my fluffy dice on.
Paul the 6th
16-02-12, 01:33 PM
Oh shiit. Sorry mate. I was in the same position not so long ago. Just a metal stud on the windscreen where a mirror should have been.
Rang VW and they said £55. For a bit of glass and plastic. I was very upset.
dizzyblonde
16-02-12, 01:36 PM
Unfortunately mirrors don't stick on with gaffer either...... they fall off over night ;)
andrewsmith
16-02-12, 02:23 PM
Worse :(
Realised I have no rear view mirror to hang my fluffy dice on.
How bad then?
Can anyone point me in the direction of the highway code rule where it says "Use the full amount of roadspace available" - specifically looking for the rule number/clause/whatever..
They spent 6 months ripping up york ring road last year, turning 1 lane into 2 lanes on the approach to a roundabout, and then again when coming away from the roundabout the 2 lanes merge into one..
ONLY NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THIS COUNTRY - so they all queue in the nearside lane thus causing the queue to extend back 200 metres and block the roundabout/junctions etc. The few of us that take an interest in roadcraft and driving standards know to use the outside lane up untl the 'merge in' arrows. Except the mongo's in the nearside lane see this as pushing in and close up all the gaps because they think that the highway code gives right of way to whoever has been queing longest..
I've had enough and am making up some decals to stick on the back of the van, a kin to the ones on busses where it says 'let the bus pull out; highway code rule 28' or whatever it is. Actually, might just stick some bus ones on..
/rant.
So which rule number is it people need to go and read up on?
is there one in there about anger management ;-)
Paul the 6th
17-02-12, 09:40 AM
I'm not that angry flymo.. I've decided not to bother with the decals - just gonna keep a stack of highway codes on the front passenger seat so I CAN WANG THEM AT PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!
http://eddypawan.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/angry.jpg
I'm not that angry flymo.. I've decided not to bother with the decals - just gonna keep a stack of highway codes on the front passenger seat so I CAN WANG THEM AT PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!
http://eddypawan.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/angry.jpg
ha ha
andrewsmith
17-02-12, 11:37 AM
I'm not that angry flymo.. I've decided not to bother with the decals - just gonna keep a stack of highway codes on the front passenger seat so I CAN WANG THEM AT PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE!
http://eddypawan.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/angry.jpg
hahahahhahahahhaa
:notworthy:
Owenski
17-02-12, 12:17 PM
Uh-oh!
This isnt another "they do it different to me, therefore they're wrong thread" is it?
Paul the 6th
17-02-12, 12:22 PM
Have you read anything but page 5 maffu?
I'd also like to know what the rule is that states:
When exit on round about is blocked, proceed regardless and block all other traffic from entering the roundabout regardless of their intended direction of travel.
Owenski
17-02-12, 01:22 PM
yup, i only know of the top of the M621 where a similar such junction exists around here, where it reduces into 2 lanes and its often heavy traffic.
Far too often I see cars stationary with thier indicator on waiting to drop into lane 2 with about 300yards of lane 3 remaining, but I go around and continue on my way safe in the knowlage that I cant hear thier horn over the sound of how awesome I am.
Owenski
17-02-12, 01:24 PM
I'd also like to know what the rule is that states:
When exit on round about is blocked, proceed regardless and block all other traffic from entering the roundabout regardless of their intended direction of travel.
Now this is a valid post!
Those who go through at Yellow but then block off everyone hoping to go straight across, thus causing major congestion. I 100% the "red light cameras" these should be installed in all traffic signals IMO.
Paul the 6th
17-02-12, 01:29 PM
Here you go fella's, take your 'blocking junctions for the sake of keeping their place in the queue' and throw in the '2 lanes to 1' about 300 metres down the queue = york ring road fun and rantings. Maybe vibrating painted yellow box junctions? Park on it and it'll rattle the shiit out of your vehicle? People would soon stop.. Or spikes which raise and lower out of the ground every 20 seconds. Maybe just a man with an RPG on every roundabout and junction in the country..
Owenski
17-02-12, 02:26 PM
I think what you refer to is commonly known as Iran currently.
andrewsmith
17-02-12, 02:45 PM
I think what you refer to is commonly known as Iran currently.
Dammit need a new work keyboard.
Is that along with a laser controlled claymores and trip wire M63 grenades.
No wait that me on BF3
Worse :(
Realised I have no rear view mirror to hang my fluffy dice on.
that is not an MOT failure... (the fluffy dice are..if hanging from said rear view mirror )
as Long as you have two rear facing wing mirrors then you do not need a rear view mirror...
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