Le Carnage Route Planning

[-Ralph-]

Col, ive done one days google map, what do you think?

Looks good. Couple of bits of feedback IMO

The D199 (http://g.co/maps/xt5yz) looks very narrow. Maybe we would be better on the D113 (http://g.co/maps/2hq3h)?

The N13 is a big dual carriageway, and we wanted to try to stick to biking roads. How about the D613 (http://g.co/maps/c7ehn), followed by the D974 (http://g.co/maps/qa9kf), before rejoining your route on the D913 (http://g.co/maps/xpbf3)?

The D329 (http://g.co/maps/ddsh7) is tiny as well, better sticking on the D913 through Ste Marie du Mont

The whole route from waypoint 'I' back to Ste Mere Eglise (http://g.co/maps/2apjd) is tiny too, if we are going as far as waypoint 'I' to see something, then we'd be better coming back on ourselves and using the D15 (http://g.co/maps/d7my9)

(Give me five minutes after posting to check all the links work)

[-Ralph-]

French maps are a pain in the rssss. We have A, B, C and unclassified roads. The French have N and D, and there's often no way of telling the difference between a good sweeping 90kph D road, and a 6 ft wide single track that can turn to gravel with no warning.

[Specialone]

This better

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=49.28806,-0.53316&daddr=49.30613,-0.88294+to:49.29850,-0.94746+to:49.30128,-1.08270+to:Route+de+Carentan%2FD974+to:Rue+d'Isign y%2FD974+to:49.31085,-1.25653+to:Vierge+de+l'Amont%2FD913+to:49.40861,-1.31524+to:49.46101,-1.30711+to:49.47956,-1.29547+to:49.49049,-1.26185+to:La+Grande+Dune%2FD421+to:Rue+de+la+Gali %C3%A9%2FD913+to:Vierge+les+Ponts+Douve%2FD974+to: Bd+de+Verdun%2FD974+to:Route+de+Carentan%2FD974+to :49.34309,-1.02675+to:D113+to:49.39288,-0.98938+to:49.37903,-0.90272+to:49.35749,-0.85290+to:49.28818,-0.53286&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sll=49.38759,-0.92684&sspn=0.481822,1.448822&geocode=FXwT8AIdWN33_w%3BFRJa8AIdBIfy_w%3BFUQ88AId _Irx_w%3BFSBH8AIdtHrv_w%3BFRBr8AIdpkju_w%3BFWBN8AI dXEPt_w%3BFYJs8AIdrtPs_w%3BFVC68AIdCqzs_w%3BFWLq8Q IdWO7r_w%3BFRK38gIdGg7s_w%3BFYj_8gIdkjvs_w%3BFToq8 wId5r7s_w%3BFWIX8gIdWv7t_w%3BFWOP8QId3GDt_w%3BFYWm 8AIdlqjs_w%3BFVJM8AIdlAHt_w%3BFQBk8AIdiBHu_w%3BFXL q8AIdQlXw_w%3BFZYl8QId1Hzw_w%3BFfCs8QIdPOfw_w%3BFd Z28QIdwDny_w%3BFbIi8QIdXPzy_w%3BFfQT8AIdhN73_w&doflg=ptm&mra=luc&t=m&z=10

[-Ralph-]

This better

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=49.28806,-0.53316&daddr=49.30613,-0.88294+to:49.29850,-0.94746+to:49.30128,-1.08270+to:Route+de+Carentan%2FD974+to:Rue+d'Isign y%2FD974+to:49.31085,-1.25653+to:Vierge+de+l'Amont%2FD913+to:49.40861,-1.31524+to:49.46101,-1.30711+to:49.47956,-1.29547+to:49.49049,-1.26185+to:La+Grande+Dune%2FD421+to:Rue+de+la+Gali %C3%A9%2FD913+to:Vierge+les+Ponts+Douve%2FD974+to: Bd+de+Verdun%2FD974+to:Route+de+Carentan%2FD974+to :49.34309,-1.02675+to:D113+to:49.39288,-0.98938+to:49.37903,-0.90272+to:49.35749,-0.85290+to:49.28818,-0.53286&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sll=49.38759,-0.92684&sspn=0.481822,1.448822&geocode=FXwT8AIdWN33_w%3BFRJa8AIdBIfy_w%3BFUQ88AId _Irx_w%3BFSBH8AIdtHrv_w%3BFRBr8AIdpkju_w%3BFWBN8AI dXEPt_w%3BFYJs8AIdrtPs_w%3BFVC68AIdCqzs_w%3BFWLq8Q IdWO7r_w%3BFRK38gIdGg7s_w%3BFYj_8gIdkjvs_w%3BFToq8 wId5r7s_w%3BFWIX8gIdWv7t_w%3BFWOP8QId3GDt_w%3BFYWm 8AIdlqjs_w%3BFVJM8AIdlAHt_w%3BFQBk8AIdiBHu_w%3BFXL q8AIdQlXw_w%3BFZYl8QId1Hzw_w%3BFfCs8QIdPOfw_w%3BFd Z28QIdwDny_w%3BFbIi8QIdXPzy_w%3BFfQT8AIdhN73_w&doflg=ptm&mra=luc&t=m&z=10

Looks good to me. Didn't realise we were visiting stuff on those tiny lanes on the way back to Ste Mere Eglise

Since we don't know what day it will be yet (obviously not day 1 as it's nowhere near Le Havre), do you want to give it a name so we know which route we are talking about i.e. "Beaches route" ?

I'll tyre it and upload the ITN so we have the exact same routes on our spac navs.

[Specialone]

Looks good to me. Didn't realise we were visiting stuff on those tiny lanes on the way back to Ste Mere Eglise

Were not after L on the route, but between L and M is all coastal road so its a bit more open than the reverse journey and not very far so rather than trace our steps we can see a bit more.

I have it saved in tyre as normandy west route.

I'll name the POI's on the routes if you like and send you the ITN files?

[-Ralph-]

I was reading it backwards actually. So we are going clockwise? And we are visiting J and K?

[Specialone]

I was reading it backwards actually. So we are going clockwise? And we are visiting J and K?

Yep two gun batteries, not long stops but we're there so might as well.
Oh clockwise yes mate.

Reason is, i thought we could have an extended stop at Omaha beach as its the main place i wanted to visit, so could combine that with a lunch stop, so that would be about right for dinnertime i think.

[-Ralph-]

OK, that looks cool. Send me the ITN and I'll drop it on the TomTom Rider too.

One thing I find you have to watch with the ITN's is it just gives the sat nav a set of waypoints, but the sat nav still calculates the route between the waypoints. 95% of the time it chooses the same route as google maps, but sometimes it doesn't and you can end up on a dual carriageway because the sat nav has decided it's quicker. I find sometimes I need to put additional waypoints on the ITN in Tyre to force the sat nav down the roads I want it to take.

[-Ralph-]

PS: have you used the Google Earth 3D flyover function? It's pretty cool.

[Specialone]

OK, that looks cool. Send me the ITN and I'll drop it on the TomTom Rider too.

One thing I find you have to watch with the ITN's is it just gives the sat nav a set of waypoints, but the sat nav still calculates the route between the waypoints. 95% of the time it chooses the same route as google maps, but sometimes it doesn't and you can end up on a dual carriageway because the sat nav has decided it's quicker. I find sometimes I need to put additional waypoints on the ITN in Tyre to force the sat nav down the roads I want it to take.


Yeah found this out before, i pre-empt now where i think tomtom will divert and look for a quicker route and add another waypoint.

I think you can add upto 49 waypoints per route, so i try and make sure i have plenty on the roads i defo wanna go down.

[F4LL3N]

Route looks good :) is there a route file I can drop into my Garmin Zumo 550?

[danf1234]

Putting routes from Tyre onto a garmin is a black art, as I found out in France. You have to be careful as sometimes it jumbles the way points. Believe me I know from France.

If you upload it to your Satnav make sure that you check that the waypoints flow and you're not doubling back on yourself etc!

[F4LL3N]

I don't know anything about tyre (i.e. never heard of it) lol can you fill me in and give me some pointers?

[Specialone]

Anybody who wants the routes, pm me you email address along with whether you have garmin or tomtom and what format your satnav takes and ill send them to you.


Dan, it wasnt the routes or your satnav, it was you, mainly being hung over and not looking at it properly ;)



I kniow something, i wont let us end up in italy this time :rolleyes:

[danf1234]

We end up in Itally this time and the job is well and truely fooked!

[Specialone]

Normandy doesn't exactly border Italy but I wouldn't put anything past you lol.

I'm defo not following you, you'll see a macdonalds and swerve and nearly kill us again :)

[danf1234]

If I am hungry enough then needs must.

[-Ralph-]

You have my email address, TomTom ITN file please.

[Specialone]

Right, being as the weathers been crap ive been doing some research, ive also spoke to my nephew who's really into this stuff like me ( he's been to normandy for 10 days) and he's said we will need time to look round these places so what ive decided to do is knock the omaha beach bits off the west route and do that as part of a central route so we can spend more time in that area.

Point du hoc apparently has loads to see and explore, gun placements, pill boxes etc so we'll need more time there.

I'll keep y'all posted.

[Specialone]

Modified western route...

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=49.28806,-0.53316&daddr=49.30613,-0.88294+to:49.29850,-0.94746+to:49.30128,-1.08270+to:Route+de+Carentan%2FD974+to:Rue+d'Isign y%2FD974+to:49.31085,-1.25653+to:Vierge+de+l'Amont%2FD913+to:49.40861,-1.31524+to:49.46101,-1.30711+to:49.47956,-1.29547+to:49.49049,-1.26185+to:La+Grande+Dune%2FD421+to:Rue+de+la+Gali %C3%A9%2FD913+to:Vierge+les+Ponts+Douve%2FD974+to: Bd+de+Verdun%2FD974+to:Route+de+Carentan%2FD974+to :49.34309,-1.02675+to:D113+to:D113+to:La+Mairie%2FD5+to:L'%C3 %89pinette%2FD29+to:Route+de+Bayeux%2FD613+to:49.2 8818,-0.53286&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=49.295576,-0.773163&spn=0.480934,1.448822&sll=49.295128,-0.773849&sspn=0.060118,0.181103&geocode=FXwT8AIdWN33_w%3BFRJa8AIdBIfy_w%3BFUQ88AId _Irx_w%3BFSBH8AIdtHrv_w%3BFRBr8AIdpkju_w%3BFWBN8AI dXEPt_w%3BFYJs8AIdrtPs_w%3BFVC68AIdCqzs_w%3BFWLq8Q IdWO7r_w%3BFRK38gIdGg7s_w%3BFYj_8gIdkjvs_w%3BFToq8 wId5r7s_w%3BFWIX8gIdWv7t_w%3BFWOP8QId3GDt_w%3BFYWm 8AIdlqjs_w%3BFVJM8AIdlAHt_w%3BFQBk8AIdiBHu_w%3BFXL q8AIdQlXw_w%3BFXiP8AIdSnrw_w%3BFTg88AIdAC_w_w%3BFa Uo8AIdvEbw_w%3BFSdi8AIdEMzy_w%3BFQEp8AId-Tz0_w%3BFfQT8AIdhN73_w&doflg=ptm&mra=mi&mrsp=22&sz=13&t=m&z=10

Basically taken out the omaha beach part as its too tight for the one day.

[Specialone]

Central route
http://maps.google.com/?saddr=49.28818,-0.53286&daddr=49.26203,-0.62165+to:49.27253,-0.71120+to:49.28526,-0.73413+to:49.29289,-0.76835+to:49.31110,-0.82897+to:49.30819,-0.86585+to:49.31891,-0.90193+to:49.34320,-0.89291+to:49.37903,-0.90272+to:49.37281,-0.88571+to:49.35749,-0.85290+to:49.34626,-0.69271+to:49.33958,-0.62481+to:49.33874,-0.60681+to:49.33668,-0.46489+to:49.33570,-0.45795+to:49.28846,-0.53210&hl=en&t=h&om=1&z=11&geocode=FfQT8AIdhN73_w%3BFc6t7wIdroP2_w%3BFdLW7wId 4CX1_w%3BFYwI8AIdTsz0_w%3BFVom8AIdokb0_w%3BFXxt8AI d1lnz_w%3BFR5i8AIdxsny_w%3BFf6L8AId1jzy_w%3BFeDq8A IdEmDy_w%3BFdZ28QIdwDny_w%3BFYpe8QIdMnzy_w%3BFbIi8 QIdXPzy_w%3BFdT28AIdGm71_w%3BFbzc8AIdVnf2_w%3BFXTZ 8AIdpr32_w%3BFWjR8AIdBuj4_w%3BFZTN8AIdIgP5_w%3BFQw V8AIdfOH3_w

[metalhead19]

Routes Look good to me, But then again i know nothing about the roads in France other than "slippery when wet" lol, Now all i need to do is work out a way of getting them into the sat nav on my phone.

[Specialone]

Western route modified again, id taken off point du hoc by accident.

Once ive done the routes, ill sticky them on the details thread.

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=49.28806,-0.53316&daddr=49.30613,-0.88294+to:49.29850,-0.94746+to:49.30128,-1.08269+to:49.31048,-1.16105+to:49.30288,-1.22794+to:49.31085,-1.25653+to:49.33076,-1.26667+to:49.40861,-1.31524+to:49.46101,-1.30712+to:49.47955,-1.29547+to:49.49049,-1.26185+to:49.42013,-1.18007+to:49.38531,-1.22038+to:49.32570,-1.26756+to:49.30261,-1.24478+to:49.30867,-1.17516+to:49.34309,-1.02675+to:49.35823,-1.01662+to:49.39288,-0.98937+to:Route+de+Port%2FD514+to:Les+Brides%2FD3 0+to:D29+to:49.28818,-0.53286&hl=en&ll=49.380585,-0.918732&spn=0.481892,1.448822&sll=49.380585,-0.918732&sspn=0.240947,0.724411&geocode=FXwT8AIdWN33_w%3BFRJa8AIdBIfy_w%3BFUQ88AId _Irx_w%3BFSBH8AIdvnrv_w%3BFRBr8AIdpkju_w%3BFWBN8AI dXEPt_w%3BFYJs8AIdrtPs_w%3BFUi68AIdEqzs_w%3BFWLq8Q IdWO7r_w%3BFRK38gIdEA7s_w%3BFX7_8gIdkjvs_w%3BFToq8 wId5r7s_w%3BFWIX8gIdWv7t_w%3BFV6P8QId5GDt_w%3BFYSm 8AIdmKjs_w%3BFVJM8AIdlAHt_w%3BFf5j8AIdiBHu_w%3BFXL q8AIdQlXw_w%3BFZYl8QId1Hzw_w%3BFfCs8QIdRufw_w%3BFY pL8QIdcVfy_w%3BFViV8AIdb0Dy_w%3BFXBg8AIdmFLy_w%3BF fQT8AIdhN73_w&doflg=ptm&mra=luc&t=m&z=10

[-Ralph-]

What's to see in the East for Friday morning?

[Specialone]

I ain't done that one yet, but it includes Caen and a few other things, was thinking of a shorter day Friday as peeps are gonna be knackered and we need to pitch tents and get supplies.

[rusty76]

What's to see in the East for Friday morning?

East....surely pegusus bridge is no1 on the list in east

[Specialone]

East....surely pegusus bridge is no1 on the list in east

Dont worry Rus, its down on me list, thats quite high up there to be fair :)

[Specialone]

What do peeps think of this for the first day, should keep us busy.

First day (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Quai+Colbert&daddr=D101+to:D101+to:La+Vasserie%2FD101+to:Lieu+T aupin%2FD101+to:D101+to:La+Houlgate%2FD613+to:Rout e+des+Renardi%C3%A8res%2FD43+to:49.06015,-0.29119+to:49.19815,-0.38323+to:49.27014,-0.19632+to:49.23119,-0.25806+to:49.24243,-0.27437+to:49.29056,-0.26225+to:D221+to:D35+to:D35+to:14480+Rue+de+Tier ceville,+Creully,+France&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=49.109838,-0.142822&spn=0.969078,2.897644&sll=49.108939,-0.144196&sspn=0.121138,0.362206&geocode=FfIr8wIdZuMBAA%3BFZVU7wId3XICAA%3BFTyH7gId QKABAA%3BFVhA7gIdrCEBAA%3BFbAZ7gIdo84AAA%3BFSaP7QI d4WEAAA%3BFZqs7QIdGFf__w%3BFZ4D7QIdFn79_w%3BFTaZ7A Idio77_w%3BFUa07gIdAif6_w%3BFXzN7wIdIAH9_w%3BFVY17 wId9A_8_w%3BFT5h7wIdPtD7_w%3BFUAd8AIdlv_7_w%3BFdY0 8AId9t76_w%3BFQBO8AIdvP75_w%3BFVBK8AIdBg75_w%3BFfI T8AIdiN73_ynDWCD9UVcKSDEg2LtSlR0IBQ&oq=Route+de+Tierceville+|+14480+Creully+FRANCE&doflg=ptm&mra=mi&mrsp=7&sz=12&t=m&z=9)

I was going to include Falaise as its a bit further south but with spending a bit of time in Caen and some time at Pegasus birdge etc i thought we'd be struggling tbh.

The bit of main road at the beginning is a necessary evil, gets us onto a roads quicker and away from the busy town.

[-Ralph-]

You're going to hit me with something.

Does the D101 (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Quai+Colbert&daddr=D101+to:D101+to:La+Vasserie%2FD101+to:Lieu+T aupin%2FD101+to:D101+to:La+Houlgate%2FD613+to:Rout e+des+Renardi%C3%A8res%2FD43+to:49.06015,-0.29119+to:49.19815,-0.38323+to:49.27014,-0.19632+to:49.23119,-0.25806+to:49.24243,-0.27437+to:49.29056,-0.26225+to:D221+to:D35+to:D35+to:14480+Rue+de+Tier ceville,+Creully,+France&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=49.203507,0.125038&spn=0.152312,0.41851&sll=49.108939,-0.144196&sspn=0.121138,0.362206&geocode=FfIr8wIdZuMBAA%3BFZVU7wId3XICAA%3BFTyH7gId QKABAA%3BFVhA7gIdrCEBAA%3BFbAZ7gIdo84AAA%3BFSaP7QI d4WEAAA%3BFZqs7QIdGFf__w%3BFZ4D7QIdFn79_w%3BFTaZ7A Idio77_w%3BFUa07gIdAif6_w%3BFXzN7wIdIAH9_w%3BFVY17 wId9A_8_w%3BFT5h7wIdPtD7_w%3BFUAd8AIdlv_7_w%3BFdY0 8AId9t76_w%3BFQBO8AIdvP75_w%3BFVBK8AIdBg75_w%3BFfI T8AIdiN73_ynDWCD9UVcKSDEg2LtSlR0IBQ&oq=Route+de+Tierceville+|+14480+Creully+FRANCE&doflg=ptm&mra=mi&mrsp=7&sz=12&t=m&z=12&layer=c&cbll=49.203507,0.125038&panoid=807A8ZavdlQaF0mtz0Ai5w&cbp=12,210.57,,0,11) take us somewhere in particular, that the D16 (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Quai+Colbert&daddr=D101+to:D101+to:La+Vasserie%2FD101+to:Lieu+T aupin%2FD101+to:D101+to:La+Houlgate%2FD613+to:Rout e+des+Renardi%C3%A8res%2FD43+to:49.06015,-0.29119+to:49.19815,-0.38323+to:49.27014,-0.19632+to:49.23119,-0.25806+to:49.24243,-0.27437+to:49.29056,-0.26225+to:D221+to:D35+to:D35+to:14480+Rue+de+Tier ceville,+Creully,+France&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=49.177888,0.019913&spn=0.151493,0.41851&sll=49.108939,-0.144196&sspn=0.121138,0.362206&geocode=FfIr8wIdZuMBAA%3BFZVU7wId3XICAA%3BFTyH7gId QKABAA%3BFVhA7gIdrCEBAA%3BFbAZ7gIdo84AAA%3BFSaP7QI d4WEAAA%3BFZqs7QIdGFf__w%3BFZ4D7QIdFn79_w%3BFTaZ7A Idio77_w%3BFUa07gIdAif6_w%3BFXzN7wIdIAH9_w%3BFVY17 wId9A_8_w%3BFT5h7wIdPtD7_w%3BFUAd8AIdlv_7_w%3BFdY0 8AId9t76_w%3BFQBO8AIdvP75_w%3BFVBK8AIdBg75_w%3BFfI T8AIdiN73_ynDWCD9UVcKSDEg2LtSlR0IBQ&oq=Route+de+Tierceville+|+14480+Creully+FRANCE&doflg=ptm&mra=mi&mrsp=7&sz=12&t=m&z=12&layer=c&cbll=49.178058,0.020263&panoid=mJROtnlDhV2NnmTBHfGmww&cbp=12,80.18,,0,12.4) won't?

I know you want an adventure bike Phil, but can we wait 'til you've got one to test out the long travel suspension? ;-)

[MisterTommyH]

Slight de-rail, but when did Phils name turn green?

Are you ill, or does this mean you're in charge? (Please don't throw me out for de-railing your thread [-o<)

[Specialone]

You're going to hit me with something.

Does the D101 take us somewhere in particular, that the D16 won't?

I know you want an adventure bike Phil, but can we wait 'til you've got one to test out the long travel suspension? ;-)

Nope you're right, i just highlighted the twistiest road i could find :)

This better (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Quai+Colbert&daddr=Le+Lieu+du+Ch%C3%AAne%2FD16+to:Rue+de+Saint-Pierre%2FD16+to:Buttes+de+Tolleville%2FD16+to:D16+ to:L'%C3%89cole%2FD16+to:La+Houlgate%2FD613+to:Rou te+des+Renardi%C3%A8res%2FD43+to:49.06015,-0.29119+to:49.19815,-0.38323+to:49.27014,-0.19632+to:49.23119,-0.25806+to:49.24243,-0.27437+to:49.29056,-0.26225+to:D221+to:D35+to:D35+to:14480+Rue+de+Tier ceville,+Creully,+France&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=49.187089,0.016479&spn=0.797045,2.156067&sll=49.187313,0.01442&sspn=0.09963,0.269508&geocode=FfIr8wIdZuMBAA%3BFVBi7wIdrIcBAA%3BFfnA7gId vR8BAA%3BFUBl7gIdgE0AAA%3BFc8r7gIdtPz__w%3BFUrt7QI drNv__w%3BFZqs7QIdGFf__w%3BFZ4D7QIdFn79_w%3BFTaZ7A Idio77_w%3BFUa07gIdAif6_w%3BFXzN7wIdIAH9_w%3BFVY17 wId9A_8_w%3BFT5h7wIdPtD7_w%3BFUAd8AIdlv_7_w%3BFdY0 8AId9t76_w%3BFQBO8AIdvP75_w%3BFVBK8AIdBg75_w%3BFfI T8AIdiN73_ynDWCD9UVcKSDEg2LtSlR0IBQ&doflg=ptm&mra=dme&mrsp=4&sz=12&t=m&z=9)

[-Ralph-]

It means he's now a modificator!

[-Ralph-]

This better

Yep, that works.

[Specialone]

All three routes now stickied in the details thread, ill send the satnav routes to everyone who's requested them tomorrow.

Tomtom files will be sent in .ITN format.
Garmin will be sent in .KMZ format.

If you havent already, please forward an email address to me by PM if you want the routes and i'll send them tomorrow.

[Specialone]

Also added the POI's in to each route.

If peeps feel ive missed some important places, please let me know ans i'll add them on one of the routes.

[-Ralph-]

The ITN's all load on my TomTom and look approx the right route on the maps. I don't have the patience to scroll around the sat nav screen to check they are exactly correct. If we go a bit wrong on the day we'll deal with it.

[Specialone]

Cool, i don't think we'll go too far wrong, they will get us where we need to go I'm sure.