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metalhead19
25-02-12, 01:26 PM
6 Nations game this afternoon. What do we reckon? Are Wales gna walk it or are England going to play some decent rugby?
Specialone
25-02-12, 01:28 PM
As they hate us so much I hope we beat the valley boys :)
metalhead19
25-02-12, 01:34 PM
As they hate us so much I hope we beat the valley boys :)
But given how England and Wales have been playing in their last few games, do you really expect that to happen :p
Sid Squid
25-02-12, 01:46 PM
I hope we beat the valley boys :)Yes.
do you really expect that to happen :razz:No.
cymroboi
25-02-12, 01:57 PM
As they hate us so much I hope we beat the valley boys :)
:smt021 hey were all not valley boys [-X
It'll be scrappy with a few moments of brilliance, England will try to disrupt the the talented Welsh backs as much as possible. 16-20 or something.
Sid Squid
25-02-12, 04:59 PM
At half time all the match stats go Wales' way - except the one that matters.
Good game whatever happens.
metalhead19
25-02-12, 04:59 PM
I thought the first half was abit hit and miss. England showed potential, but also inexperience.
Specialone
25-02-12, 05:02 PM
Wales defo got off to the better start, but we certainly picked up in the 2nd half of the first.
metalhead19
25-02-12, 05:06 PM
We have to take advantage of this sin bin though or i reckon we will struggle towards the end of the game
Sid Squid
25-02-12, 05:12 PM
Am I alone in thinking that was a harsh decision?
Specialone
25-02-12, 05:15 PM
Yep, was harsh IMO.
Specialone
25-02-12, 05:44 PM
Well Wales were lucky IMO.
jonny.boyd
25-02-12, 05:44 PM
Looked like it was down to me.. hard call though
Specialone
25-02-12, 05:48 PM
Looked like it was down to me.. hard call though
I thought it was down too tbh but understand why it wasn't given.
MisterTommyH
25-02-12, 05:50 PM
The 'inexperianced' England team were better. Went down hill from when we changed scrum half and fly half.
It wasn't a harsh decision to sin-bin. England had a clear line to try and he tackled a man without the ball - he knew he would get binned and in the end it was worth it. Unforgivable to England not to take advantage of the extra man.
Thought a couple of refing decisions lost it for England. The knock-on that got Wales all the way up the field (and the ref was heard on mic later saying "I thought it came off his head").
Also that try at the end. IMO the ball was down behind the line when you compare the two angles (one from behind showed it grounded, but is unclear when it's over the line, the one from the front then shows when it is grounded it's behind the line - although you can't see the actual grounding because there is a leg in the way). I can understand why it wasn't given, although IMO it was questionable about whether it was under control when it was grounded.
Sid Squid
25-02-12, 05:50 PM
Odd decision at the end, the TV shows it actually goes down at least once and possibly in the fumbling, twice. Enjoyed it anyway.
Also that try at the end. IMO the ball was down behind the line when you compare the two angles (one from behind showed it grounded, but is unclear when it's over the line, the one from the front then shows when it is grounded it's behind the line - although you can't see the actual grounding because there is a leg in the way). I can understand why it wasn't given, although IMO it was questionable about whether it was under control when it was grounded.
The angle from the touchline shows Strettle tackled and landing on the ball before the line. He's then rolled over onto his back, his arm underneath the ball so the ball is not in contact with the ground to be a valid try. George North then rolls the ball back where it does ground outside the in-goal area. That is what it appears to me so I can see why the TMO ruled it to be inconclusive .
BanannaMan
26-02-12, 03:39 AM
Say what you will.
In the end.....All that matters is the score. :p
Cymru Am Byth !!!
454697819
26-02-12, 09:22 AM
It was a try and a knock on.... Bad Reffing and we will sort it next yr
StitchSV
26-02-12, 04:50 PM
Lol Wales were lucky? We deserved the win.
Lol Wales were lucky? We deserved the win.
I thought it was pretty even myself, Wales did edge it overall with good tactics for the win. Strettle's been blaming the ref but even if that try was awarded, it'd still be a very difficult conversion for Flood to draw the game. Nice to see a real competitive game. :)
Specialone
26-02-12, 05:55 PM
If Wales supporters thought they thoroughly deserved the win they watched a different game.
It was a pretty even match and take out poor refereeing and it was closer than the score suggests.
Still, gotta let them win something occasionally, I mean they only have rugby and singing lol :)
StitchSV
26-02-12, 09:14 PM
The ref was consistently poor towards both teams. I'm not sure what game you saw but along with most, if not all, of the commentators from both sides of the bridge Wales deserved the win.
If Wales supporters thought they thoroughly deserved the win they watched a different game.
It was a pretty even match and take out poor refereeing and it was closer than the score suggests.
Still, gotta let them win something occasionally, I mean they only have rugby and singing lol :)
Specialone
26-02-12, 09:34 PM
Didn't say they didn't deserve the win, but it was closer than you seem to wanna accept, they edged it, that's all.
They had the run of some key decisions and that helped immensely IMO, England also had a really good spell where Wales couldnt cope at times, like I said Wales edged it overall.
England aren't brilliant tbh ATM, shadow of former teams.
At least England can console themselves that their women are still on for the grand slam after beating Wales Women 33-0. ;)
England haven't had a truly great team since all their World Cup winners retired. Wales have a far more exciting young team and strength in depth with talent like Byrne and Hook not even getting to play. Farrell looked really good at no. 10 though.
Luckypants
27-02-12, 10:27 AM
Everyone has rose tinted specs.... :cool: Strettle's effort was never a try as he never had control or downward pressure on the ball in the in goal area. Looking at it from all sorts of angles you could never actually 'see' him score, so the TMO has no choice but to rule inconclusive and in those circumstances it is 5m scrum, attacking team ball (same would be given for George North's knock on), so that decision was correct.
But the game was very close, closer than you would expect on paper. If Wales had scored the try in the opening 3 minutes, it would have been different I think but we didn't and England fought back with their usual grind it out strategy. Almost worked too but for the 'luck of the bounce' when we scored our try...
(We won't mention the England forwards standing up when being pushed back over their own line and the ref giving the penalty instead of allowing advantage.... we would have scored :smt112)
Drew Carey
27-02-12, 10:42 AM
I had the displeasure of watching this in a pub in Wales with Mr Luckypants above.....
I must say I thought it was a very close game which Wales on the whole deserved to win. I also thought it was not a try - if it had been awarded it would have been the wrong decision.
The two decisions however that really have bugged me - if you watch the highlights is Flood late on chipped the ball through - which George North deliberately knocked into touch. To me, that is a blatant and deliberate foul. Which you cannot do. Plus, just before the final whistle, the referee was playing advantage to England. Rather than the ball being held up (and the subsequent scrum thus ending the game)......the correct call should have been to take back for the advantage and give a penalty to England. But whether it would have mattered or not is another argument.
As for this statement;
England aren't brilliant tbh ATM, shadow of former teams.
Going to have to disagree with you there...... I am very excited about where this team is going and think they have the potential to be better than any of the England teams of the modern proffesional era. They are a young squad but with enough talent to beat the Scots and Italy team - whilst still not playing well.
They have then narrowly lost out to a Wales team which I honestly think is one of the best Wales teams on paper I have seen in a long time.....
Given the right coaching and support I think the young members of this team have shown real flair that will provide exciting times to come.....I am also a Leicester fan, but I feel that the partnership of Dickson and Farrell was brilliant. When Youngs and Flood came on I thought England became too slow at the breakdown.
Add to the mix the likes of Tuilagi, Ashton, Barritt, Dan Cole etc etc etc.....this is an England team being built for the future.
Cymraeg_Atodeg
27-02-12, 10:58 AM
I had the displeasure of watching this in a pub in Wales with Mr Luckypants above.....
I must say I thought it was a very close game which Wales on the whole deserved to win. I also thought it was not a try - if it had been awarded it would have been the wrong decision.
The two decisions however that really has bugged me - if you watch the highlights is Flood late on chipped the ball through - which George North deliberately knocked into touch. To me, that is a blatant and deliberate foul. Which you cannot do. Plus, just before the final whistle, the referee was playing advantage to England. Rather than the ball being held up (and the subsequent scrum thus ending the game)......the correct call should have been to take back for the advantage and give a penalty to England. But whether it would have mattered or not is another argument.
I wasn't going to wade in on this, but, Mr. Carey, you have forced me to!
Leigh Halfpenny's slap down was legal, as long as it goes backwards it is fine (IIRC,) I have seen it done many times for no penalty.
As for the english advantage, you had crossed the try line, let alone the gain line, and may have scored a try, what more advantage do you want!?
IMO the referees choice was right, I found it odd there was not a scrum as I didn't think the game could end on an attacking penalty, which I thought a held-up attempt was, but apparently not.
Drew Carey
27-02-12, 11:19 AM
I wasn't going to wade in on this, but, Mr. Carey, you have forced me to!
Leigh Halfpenny's slap down was legal, as long as it goes backwards it is fine (IIRC,) I have seen it done many times for no penalty.
Lol......firstly, different incident - there is another kick towards the end which North (not Halfpenny) deliberately knocked the ball into touch instead of trying to play - that is not allowed.
As for the english advantage, you had crossed the try line, let alone the gain line, and may have scored a try, what more advantage do you want!?
Because 99% of all referees when you play at any standard above Club rugby will go back to the penalty. Yes it is the referees decision - however what advantage had England made? We marginally crossed the gainline?!?!? Thats all.
IMO the referees choice was right, I found it odd there was not a scrum as I didn't think the game could end on an attacking penalty, which I thought a held-up attempt was, but apparently not.
Nope, held up ball is and always has been (whilst I have played) an attacking team scrum. As the ball was taken over the line after the 80mins point - the scrum was conceded by Wales outside of the 80 mins and so usual ball dead rules apply - ie end of game.
I think the referee made mistakes for both teams and I still think the right team won on the day - I am just a little annoyed at how one of the most consistent referees in the modern game has made so many odd calls.
I think one of my most memorable points of the game though was the tackle of Farrell after his chip through - I thought the Welsh tackled very well.
Going to have to disagree with you there...... I am very excited about where this team is going and think they have the potential to be better than any of the England teams of the modern proffesional era. They are a young squad but with enough talent to beat the Scots and Italy team - whilst still not playing well.
They have then narrowly lost out to a Wales team which I honestly think is one of the best Wales teams on paper I have seen in a long time.....
Given the right coaching and support I think the young members of this team have shown real flair that will provide exciting times to come.....I am also a Leicester fan, but I feel that the partnership of Dickson and Farrell was brilliant. When Youngs and Flood came on I thought England became too slow at the breakdown.
Add to the mix the likes of Tuilagi, Ashton, Barritt, Dan Cole etc etc etc.....this is an England team being built for the future.
IMO both correct, at this present moment England has only put in a good performance against Wales so far but I still admire them for their ability to grind wins out. England are still living in the shadow of the World Cup and Grand Slam teams of old in achievement but they have the potential to be one of the top 4 teams along with Wales and NZ in the world over the next few years. The Lions team should be pretty awesome with the young Halfpenny, Warburton, North, Farrell and Hogg playing well.
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