View Full Version : Public Pay to be brought in line with Private
MisterTommyH
17-03-12, 07:15 PM
There are 'leaks' that next weeks budget will include pay freezes or smaller increases to bring public sector pay into line with private sector pay for comparible jobs.
Is this fair / unfair?
Discuss.
punyXpress
17-03-12, 07:22 PM
Long overdue!
maviczap
17-03-12, 07:39 PM
Does the survey take into account that some private sector jobs come with perks such as a company car, free BUPA health care?
I know a company car isn't the perk it used to be, but servicing & petrol are paid by the company?
Yes, maybe the public sector do get paid more in real terms, but have other benefits that haven't been included in the calculations?
yorkie_chris
17-03-12, 07:43 PM
Since you get the *rse taxed off you for any perks these days I don't think that matters so much.
Jackie_Black
17-03-12, 07:43 PM
They can keep freezing my pay if they need to, i'm by no means rich but i'll survive and i'm happy to have a job! Hopefully once the countries fixed we wont have a crazy overspending labour government come back in and ruin it all again by creating a public sector that is almost 60% of the working population, idiots.
MisterTommyH
17-03-12, 07:50 PM
Having looked into a bit more it seems that it's to do with the fact that public sector workers in London get 0.5% more than private sector workers, in the West Midlands it's 8% more and in Wales it's 18% more.
So in effect, public sector workers all over the country are getting 'London Rates' without the expense of living in London. I'm paraphrasing and might not have got that spot on.
From the news I saw I think it's across the board and not necessarily in jobs that come with company cars etc. I know people who have them at our company are taxed on them and you don't get petrol paid. You have to put petrol in yourself and claim back 5p per mile (because it's a company car) while the rest of us get 45p to cover wear and tear etc..... so it's arguable whether it is a benefit to have a company car (I think 45p is comparible to public sector)
maviczap
17-03-12, 07:55 PM
Its going to take a whole bunch of public servants to work out this pay business
Its already part of the wage process
London weighting
Inner London weighting
So some new regional rates
Scouse weighting
Sporan weighting
Works North of Peterborough weighting
Humber weighting
I live in surfing country weighting
I live with sheep weighting
Jackie_Black
17-03-12, 08:00 PM
My job (teaching) has a london weighting, its an extra 6 or 7k i think. I'm pretty sure all public sector jobs will be the same. THere's no way they are going to pay london rates for people up north when they can get then for northern rates.
maviczap
17-03-12, 08:06 PM
So in effect, public sector workers all over the country are getting 'London Rates' without the expense of living in London. I'm paraphrasing and might not have got that spot on.
No. Public sector workers AFAIK get paid London weighting (inner & outer) which is an extra allowance for working in London. Covers transport costs to get into the smoke etc. That's over and above the national rate of pay
So if they weren't paid this allowance the pay gap would be even less, maybe under the private sector pay level.
I know London weighting didn't cover my extras for working in London.
Jackie_Black
17-03-12, 08:11 PM
There's very little point in them trying to pitch the public sector against private. They need to shrink the public sector and the gap will naturally be filled by the private sector. A ****load of people are going to get binned and hard times are definitely ahead. They can only control the public sector pay directly though, the private sector can set its own pay and conditions etc. I wouldnt want to be middle management in the public sector now though! Front line for once is going to be safer!
maviczap
17-03-12, 08:15 PM
They could save loads of money by moving jobs out of London, and not paying London weighting.
With modern technology why do we need so many public sector jobs in London.
MisterTommyH
17-03-12, 08:16 PM
My misunderstanding then.
maviczap
17-03-12, 08:17 PM
My misunderstanding then.
There a lot of it about :D
MisterTommyH
17-03-12, 08:19 PM
But it was definatly something about the pay gap differing in the regions.....
Jackie_Black
17-03-12, 08:34 PM
To be honest, they can fix most of this by just sacking a lot of the managers and replacing them with cheap frontline workers. More cops, nurses, tekkas, etc and less weird bean counting tossers. The amount of red tape and cack in this country makes it impossible to do most things properly now. My lass was in hospital the other day there was no where near enough staff to look after people but seemed to be plenty of random staff kicking about doing stuff.
I expect he will cut the high tax rate too and move it back to 40% because the top earners are in reality paying almost all of the tax now and keeping the country afloat! Scary times.
Owenski
17-03-12, 08:46 PM
But it was definatly something about the pay gap differing in the regions.....
Is it not that the pay is the same but the expense of living in different regions differs? Example, a lollipop lady in London central gets what is fair salary for their job considering cost of living etc, but this sets the bar for lollipop ladies all over the country even though their cost of living is much lower.
I could be wrong (again lol) but that was my take on it anyway.
maviczap
17-03-12, 08:50 PM
Is it not that the pay is the same but the expense of living in different regions differs? Example, a lollipop lady in London central gets what is fair salary for their job considering cost of living etc, but this sets the bar for lollipop ladies all over the country even though their cost of living is much lower.
I could be wrong (again lol) but that was my take on it anyway.
Yes, all Lollipop ladies should be on the same flat pay scale as an example.
Same as Police, Fireman, Nurse etc.
But ones living in London get London weighting added to their salary.
A lollipop lady in Cardiff may have a higher wage than her public sector equivalent because the basic salary is higher.
thefallenangel
17-03-12, 09:01 PM
It all depends on the contract offered too. We were under the impression of a 5% pay rise coming in april but they put figures out why we could only have 3% which was fair enough but when the contract swings into their favour i hope it's remembered we took in effect a 2% less pay rise. Also we are having our fixed overtime hours cut too so swings and roundabouts.
Biker Biggles
17-03-12, 09:04 PM
Actually this government is hell bent on slashing all ordinary workers wages and it cant do that effectively unless it hits the public sector.Also,Im not sure private sector wages are much (if any)lower than public now.The last few years of public sector pay freezes and recent rises in average private sector rates may well have put that difference back.These things ebb and flow over the years anyway and now is no different.
What is true is that ordinary working people have only ever got better pay and conditions by fighting hard for them,and those improvements only get maintained if people are prepared to continue to fight.There may be trouble ahead-------
maviczap
17-03-12, 09:09 PM
.There may be trouble ahead-------
Aye, one thing Maggie didn't do was pick a fight with the Police, which this Govenment has.
In the blue corner 'The Home Secretary' in the red coner 'PC lets be avinya'
Biker Biggles
17-03-12, 09:14 PM
Aye, one thing Maggie didn't do was pick a fight with the Police, which this Govenment has.
In the blue corner 'The Home Secretary' in the red coner 'PC lets be avinya'
That is very true.They really do want to wind the polis up dont they?Now is that political naivity or are they so confident that they will take on any comers?(Except the bankers and top rate tax payers perhaps?)
No. Public sector workers AFAIK get paid London weighting (inner & outer) which is an extra allowance for working in London. Covers transport costs to get into the smoke etc. That's over and above the national rate of pay
WRONG! Love the way this place is so narrow minded sometimes based on limited facts.
maviczap
18-03-12, 07:44 AM
WRONG! Love the way this place is so narrow minded sometimes based on limited facts.
How come I'm wrong?
When I transferred to London, I got London weighting added to my basic salary, when I returned it was taken off.
If you're going to make a comment back it up with your own case.
This is my knowledge & experience, it yours is different, please enlighten us :smt076
PuggledPrune
18-03-12, 07:59 AM
Typical of this government. Get us average Joes fighting amongst ourselves while they line the pockets of the rich.
In my view public sector terms and conditions should be market leaders that the private sector aspire to.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk
timwilky
18-03-12, 08:07 AM
I earn a reasonable salary and live in a lower cost region. Where I live is my choice and does have its downside. I paid my mortgage off 10 years ago. So if my employers were to say off you go to work from our offices in xyz. There is little chance I would be able to buy equivalent housing for what I was able to sell at. This to me is the issue with regional variations. I have had colleagues sell their london/south east semis and buy 5 bedroom detached when they locate up here. Accepting that they could never afford to return.
Perhaps by scrapping a single wage structure, the true cost of a region would be better reflected. Lowering in low cost areas would mean that the saving could be redirected to the higher cost making salaries better reflect local cost.
But the danger is that this would escalate the north south divide etc.
My colleagues based in Rugby would always complain they were paid less than the Manchester staff. Manchester having to pay more to attract engineers from other businesses where in Rugby there were fewer choices of employers. Where did they close. Yes Manchester
maviczap
18-03-12, 08:19 AM
I earn a reasonable salary and live in a lower cost region. Where I live is my choice and does have its downside. I paid my mortgage off 10 years ago. So if my employers were to say off you go to work from our offices in xyz. There is little chance I would be able to buy equivalent housing for what I was able to sell at. This to me is the issue with regional variations. I have had colleagues sell their london/south east semis and buy 5 bedroom detached when they locate up here. Accepting that they could never afford to return.
Perhaps by scrapping a single wage structure, the true cost of a region would be better reflected. Lowering in low cost areas would mean that the saving could be redirected to the higher cost making salaries better reflect local cost.
But the danger is that this would escalate the north south divide etc.
My colleagues based in Rugby would always complain they were paid less than the Manchester staff. Manchester having to pay more to attract engineers from other businesses where in Rugby there were fewer choices of employers. Where did they close. Yes Manchester
Which is why London weighting is paid to some public sector staff, so that they can just about afford to live in London. Otherwise they would have trouble filling any public sector jobs, as there was no overtime or shift pay that came with most of these jobs.
One of my mates couldn't afford & didn't want to live in London, so his London weighting paid for his season ticket, but he was seriously going to have to move back to a local office after the train fares went up, until he got another job.
dizzyblonde
18-03-12, 08:43 AM
The way it was worded on the news yesterday, was they were looking to freeze it in poorer areas........now forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that just another way to make the rich/poor North/South divide even bigger? Looks to me that ******** looking after the economy is only looking after him and his rich chums!
If you freeze pay in poorer areas with all the petrol and other rises people can't afford to live
maviczap
18-03-12, 09:01 AM
The way it was worded on the news yesterday, was they were looking to freeze it in poorer areas........now forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that just another way to make the rich/poor North/South divide even bigger? Looks to me that ******** looking after the economy is only looking after him and his rich chums!
If you freeze pay in poorer areas with all the petrol and other rises people can't afford to live
Yes, correct
punyXpress
18-03-12, 09:23 AM
Amazed* at the union guy who said yesterday that public sector should be paid MORE so that when they spent it, the private sector would gain!
What planet is he on?
* No. not really.
timwilky
18-03-12, 09:37 AM
I do believe remuneration packages should be competitive between similar jobs across industries/professions irrespective of public/private sector.
This does not simply mean salary, there is the whole package:- pensions, contract terms/conditions etc.
What could be used as an argument by some is that paying higher than the going rate in poorer areas it gives those a higher disposable income and that can trickle into the local economy. In truth that extra goes to the Japanese car manufacturer or the Spanish hotel operator etc. Therefore the argument should be the reverse. By restricting the ability of those who live in poorer areas to spend outside of the UK we are helping to bring down trade deficits.
How come I'm wrong?
When I transferred to London, I got London weighting added to my basic salary, when I returned it was taken off.
If you're going to make a comment back it up with your own case.
This is my knowledge & experience, it yours is different, please enlighten us :smt076
It was late, I was grumpy, my apologies :D
I was simply trying to state that not all public sector workers who work in London get a London weighting allowance. I have worked in the public sector for 12 years now and have not received (nor am I entitled to) and sort of regional remuneration. I choose to live and work in this region so why should I be compensated for it?
In my experience public sector workers do not get paid more than equivalent private sector jobs so I don't know where the government get their figures from.....maybe they are better at generating spin than the last government in order to get the majority of the public behind their ideas.
Actually, if this latest scheme comes into effect then I would be looking at a 20% increase in pay so maybe they haven't thought this through completely.........
maviczap
18-03-12, 04:07 PM
No problem, perhaps I should have said SOME get London weighting.
In my neck of the woods we get more than most office workers, but we work shifts incl nights.
If it were basic salary, then it would be about the same.
I do think a lot of this is spin, creates bad feeling against the public sector by the private sector, which undermines the public sector pay arguements = Govenment wins
Fruity-ya-ya
18-03-12, 04:48 PM
I do think a lot of this is spin, creates bad feeling against the public sector by the private sector, which undermines the public sector pay arguements = Govenment wins
The Government creating spin to help them facilitate a change in their favour? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/03/david-cameron-warned-over-spin-doctor)
Never been done, why would they do it now? Perhaps because they have to find a way of finding money from nowhere (by nowhere I mean joe publics pocket).
maviczap
18-03-12, 05:07 PM
Not sure I completely understand your reply.
Public servants have never been popular with any Tory govenment, slash and burn, cut wages, its always the same. Although as I said earlier they've never picked on the Police before.
I don't disagree with trying to resolve the financial crisis, but as Dizzy said picking on the poorer regions isn't going to boost their local economies. Moving jobs out of London to the cheaper regions would save money and boost jobs in those areas
Sid Squid
18-03-12, 05:13 PM
The Government creating spin to help them facilitate a change in their favour? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/03/david-cameron-warned-over-spin-doctor)
Never been done, why would they do it now? Perhaps because they have to find a way of finding money from nowhere (by nowhere I mean joe publics pocket).
Stop stop - my sides are hurting!
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif (http://www.sherv.net/laughing-emoticon-151.html)
I wonder if the names 'Alistair Campbell' and Peter 'Mandleson' mean anything to Toynbee's terrors? No? How conveniently the left reinvent the past, revisionism is alive and well and living at the Grauniad, the paper that spent the thirteen wasted years from '97 onwards supporting Bliar and McBroon in their quest to spin so hard the entire country could have done their washing in the nearest puddle, but now they think that spin is somehow wrong?
And in that they more effectively state why no-one should waste their money on trash like the Grauniad than I any words I could write could ever do. Truly pathetic.
punyXpress
18-03-12, 05:47 PM
Public servants have never been popular with any Tory govenment, slash and burn, cut wages, its always the same.
Just a shame they haven't been able to deal with all the ' non-jobs ' promoted by the previous lot!
There also appear to be concerted attempts by councils ( including Tory ) to maintain these at the expense of necessary services - perhaps to hold on to thei ' empires ' until the bitter end?
I wonder if different MP's will have their wages cut because of where they live?
And they can't argue for equal pay because their expenses cover the London living...
suzukigt380paul
18-03-12, 06:56 PM
the CONservatives wont be happy till the less well off are paying more tax and earning/paid less money and the top 5% who are paying to much tax and cant afford to heat there swimming pools will get there 50%tax reduced to 40% on earnings over 150k or so
MisterTommyH
18-03-12, 07:51 PM
I don't understand the problem with that Paul. People seem to forget that tax is a percentage, so If you are earning over £150k you are already paying well in excess of what the rest of us are paying. Also if you are in a job paying in excess of £150k you are probably in a job that is of significant benefit to the economy on other ways (and we're talking about people who are 'earning' here, not just rich due to their family).
If I got promoted to be MD of a company, surely I am contributing to the economy in other ways than just my income tax.... By the success of my company etc.
maviczap
18-03-12, 07:57 PM
Just a shame they haven't been able to deal with all the ' non-jobs ' promoted by the previous lot!
There also appear to be concerted attempts by councils ( including Tory ) to maintain these at the expense of necessary services - perhaps to hold on to thei ' empires ' until the bitter end?
That's true, but in our mob, a lot of the essential jobs have to be done by me now.
There's still some non jobs in our lot, I get an email from someone, I think WHY do we need someone to do this??????????
There is still too much waste and crazy contracts that we've signed up for and the most overstaffed & complex method of paying bills that could be streamlined
Sid Squid
18-03-12, 08:38 PM
the CONservatives wont be happy till the less well off are paying more tax and earning/paid less money and the top 5% who are paying to much tax and cant afford to heat there swimming pools will get there 50%tax reduced to 40% on earnings over 150k or so
Yeah! They're theiving 'stards those tax avoiding Tories - like this piece of filth:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2012/03/ken-5.jpg
Oh dear. Ken - who famously said everyone else should pay oodles of tax - dodges paying too much himself.
You were saying?
I'm sorry I started looking at this thread. The rabid nature of some these posts is quite startling.
punyXpress
18-03-12, 09:32 PM
The BEEB* quote public pay being more than private:
London - 0.5%
Rest of England - 8%
Wales - 18%
* figures courtesy of MCN?
The public 'v' private pay scales thing is just a load of rowlocks. Public sector engineers in the industry I work in currently get paid more than the guys that work for us... its marginal but... A few years ago it was the other way around, and a few years before that it was the other way around again.
There will be a fortune spent on benchmarking just to justify a policy rather than a genuine fact.
Regional differences... why bu99er about with something that has worked fine for xx years? Is the country that broke that we have to stoop to taking more money off 95% of public sector workers... sounds a bit like Greece to me, just tarted up with a pretty ribbon and flowers.
Taxing the rich at 50% = penalise those that have worked their ar5e off for donkey's years to be succesful. Ask anyone who's started a business how many hours they put in at the office, and how many afterwards at home.
Jackie_Black
18-03-12, 10:06 PM
Yeah the 50% tax types pay MOST of the tax in this country. But we rarely hear about that. If it was reduced a bit it may encourage them to grow a little more and pay MORE tax. I think it'll be quite an interesting budget and one that will probably reveal the tories true colours:pirat:
I won't be suprised if they tax fuel 5p or maybe more. Asda near me has gone up 3p in 3 weeks in the run up to it and diesel is now 142p a litre.
Booze has to go up as do fags cos having fun needs taxing more! especially as everyone apparently drinks a bottle of wine a day :D
Then of course they need to get stamp duty sorted for the rich so they actually have to pay castle tax. I don't expect any public sector pay rises either, this will probably be the proper belt tightener of a budget.
Sid Squid
18-03-12, 10:27 PM
I'm sorry I started looking at this thread, I wanted to read other people expressing an identical opinion to my own.
And if that were done forcefully would that be 'rabid' - or is that reserved solely for people who hold differing opinions to yours?
I can't help but wonder.
The Idle Biker
18-03-12, 10:35 PM
ffs "Sid", go get yourself a bunk up or something and back off.
suzukigt380paul
19-03-12, 02:01 AM
I don't understand the problem with that Paul. People seem to forget that tax is a percentage, so If you are earning over £150k you are already paying well in excess of what the rest of us are paying. Also if you are in a job paying in excess of £150k you are probably in a job that is of significant benefit to the economy on other ways (and we're talking about people who are 'earning' here, not just rich due to their family).
If I got promoted to be MD of a company, surely I am contributing to the economy in other ways than just my income tax.... By the success of my company etc.so what you are saying all the people below you,the working class who do all the work arnt a benefit to the economy,wouldnt it be fairer to cut tax or increase allowance at the bottom of the pay scale which would then help everone not just the very well off,now if ive got the detail correct i pay 20% tax on every thing over 7.5k to 35k plus 12% NI that =32p in the pound, and on earning over 150k 50% +2%NI.i know we all want to pay as little tax as possible but with the finances of the country as they are,and not helped by the banker types on there multi million pound saleries who almost bankrupted the country for a quike profit then it would seem to me the money has to come from somewhere,and no doubt you will have an accountant doing you tax aviodance and actually be paying less tax then me in anycase
yorkie_chris
19-03-12, 08:24 AM
so what you are saying all the people below you,the working class who do all the work arnt a benefit to the economy,wouldnt it be fairer to cut tax or increase allowance at the bottom of the pay scale which would then help everone not just the very well off,now if ive got the detail correct i pay 20% tax on every thing over 7.5k to 35k plus 12% NI that =32p in the pound, and on earning over 150k 50% +2%NI.i know we all want to pay as little tax as possible but with the finances of the country as they are,and not helped by the banker types on there multi million pound saleries who almost bankrupted the country for a quike profit then it would seem to me the money has to come from somewhere,and no doubt you will have an accountant doing you tax aviodance and actually be paying less tax then me in anycase
No, but someone who's gone from starting a company to employing people is more of a benefit than someone at the bottom.
Fair enough the financial sector seems to be the turd in that particular pool but otherwise...
So look at it another way, £150k+ you can afford a decent accountant to get round the ruinous 50% tax rate. So get rid of it in favour of a fair tax, less people dodge it, govt actually collects more.
I don't see why it is fair to punish success.
maviczap
19-03-12, 08:29 AM
I don't see why it is fair to punish success.
True, but don't forget that some of the successful ones are bankers who caused a lot of this mess in the first place.
yorkie_chris
19-03-12, 08:33 AM
True, but don't forget that some of the successful ones are bankers who caused a lot of this mess in the first place.
But that attitude is a bit silly isn't it?
You are earning over minimum wage therefore you must have f***ed the country. What? No wonder people are happy to sit on the dole...
Fair enough make some laws to control the financial sector from making massive "imaginary" profits in bubbles, but that's neither here nor there in this discussion.
maviczap
19-03-12, 09:12 AM
No, you missed the subtly in my post, I said some. It wasn't an all encompassing remark to tar all the bankers with the same brush.
They still got their bonuses, even though SOME did a crap job. Undoubtedly were sorted out soi they paid the minimum in tax, because that's what they're good at.
If they deserved their bonus fair enough, but the bosses who had a conscience turn their bonus down
Sid Squid
19-03-12, 09:47 AM
ffs "Sid", go get yourself a bunk up or something and back off.
Oh dear - another who doesn't want to hear opinions other than your own?
Why the "idle" - I know your name and I know you know mine.
MisterTommyH
19-03-12, 09:58 AM
Anyway, back to the point of differences between the public/private pay gap across the country.
Assuming that there are no other benefits (because I don't actually kow that many lollipop people with company cars - or other jobs for that matter) why is there this difference?
dizzyblonde
19-03-12, 10:12 AM
So Sid swallowed a 'grumpy cynic' pill. I can't say I blame him either.....
:smt020
Dave20046
19-03-12, 12:30 PM
Can't read
MrMessy
19-03-12, 03:47 PM
I have worked in the Civil Service most of my career. Most of the lads I went to college with earn more than me, have a company car, BUPA etc.Before the credit crunch we could not fill vacancies at work, partly due to the pay compared to the private sector. Now people want to work here, but as soon as the economy picks up they will be off back to the private sector:)
suzukigt380paul
19-03-12, 05:07 PM
No, but someone who's gone from starting a company to employing people is more of a benefit than someone at the bottom.
Fair enough the financial sector seems to be the turd in that particular pool but otherwise...
So look at it another way, £150k+ you can afford a decent accountant to get round the ruinous 50% tax rate. So get rid of it in favour of a fair tax, less people dodge it, govt actually collects more.
I don't see why it is fair to punish success.its no more fair then paying your staff the minimum wage which is going up to about £6.30 a hour(wow!) for a adult and at that rate your staff are subsidizing your business and are most likely if they fit the criteria (have children)claiming benifits because £240 a week isn't enough to live on,work it out,per month £550rent, £130 council tax, £100plus for heat and electric and that will leave you after tax a NI with £50 a month for food and clothing and other bills so i reckon if you are paying your staff less then £12 a hour they arn't getting a living wage,so as i said before raise the tax burden for the less well off first then if the country can afford it the better off second
hardhat_harry
19-03-12, 05:16 PM
If a company pay minimum wage they either do not care who they employ or are not bothered that they will leave if as soon as someone offers them better conditions and should expect no loyaty.
Thats why MOST companies dont pay minimum wage.
suzukigt380paul
19-03-12, 05:28 PM
If a company pay minimum wage they either do not care who they employ or are not bothered that they will leave if as soon as someone offers them better conditions and should expect no loyaty.
Thats why MOST companies dont pay minimum wage.what planet do you come from there arn't any other jobs to leave for,and i would say that most buisness's pay the minimum wage for shall we say the less qualified but hard working staff thats the people who serve your food in your canteen, most shop workers, cleaners the lesser jobs at hospitals and nursing homes etc etc
hardhat_harry
19-03-12, 05:52 PM
There are still plenty of jobs around, I'm always being contacted up by headhunters.
In the company I work for they are employing more staff and people are also leaving for better conditions in other companies.
Even the apprentices and graduates are not on minimum wage.
Maybe its the field I'm in, maybe its to do with qualifications and experience, but its definetly not uncommon.
Maybe you are just applying your own experiences to the rest of the country.
suzukigt380paul
19-03-12, 06:14 PM
There are still plenty of jobs around, I'm always being contacted up by headhunters.
In the company I work for they are employing more staff and people are also leaving for better conditions in other companies.
Even the apprentices and graduates are not on minimum wage.
Maybe its the field I'm in, maybe its to do with qualifications and experience, but its definetly not uncommon.
Maybe you are just applying your own experiences to the rest of the country.i know what your saying,if like my son and daugther you've been to uni and are doing a job that needs brains, (for lack of a better word) then once you have experience in your chosen profession there are jobs to be had with ever better pay,but for the likes of those with no real qualifications how ever good they are at there given job then the likelyhood is they will struggle to get a well paid job with sensible working hours, and with business's struggling to make a profits with ever more cutthroat practices here and abroad then they are trying to cut every corner they can including pay
The Idle Biker
19-03-12, 10:16 PM
Oh dear - another who doesn't want to hear opinions other than your own?
Ha hah that's funny. Despite the differing views on the thread, I had no strong views either way so I didn't comment before your post.
Why the "idle" - I know your name and I know you know mine.
Just a lazy post, worthy in fact of the "idle" reference, and I didn't want you or anyone else to think I thought your name was Sid. My posts are usually lazy, I spend all day thinking too hard for my brain to cope with, so I tend to just resort to pub talk typing. Never read too much into anything I say. Ya one size fits all monotone murdoch loving grease monkey.:smt052
MrMessy
20-03-12, 08:13 AM
Does anybody know what the national companies do about regional pay? I presume most companies will pay more in London. Do Tesco staff in Wales get the same hourly pay as Yorkshire?
MisterTommyH
20-03-12, 08:50 AM
I would have thought it was more to do with different types of industries (or lack of) in certain areas rather than discrepancies across a single company.
For example I would have thought that there would be less Tescos in rural Wales therefore jobs are in non-national companies which base their wages on the local economy?
There are 'leaks' that next weeks budget will include pay freezes or smaller increases to bring public sector pay into line with private sector pay for comparible jobs.
Is this fair / unfair?
Discuss.
What kind of jobs? The public sector for admin type jobs is as well, if not better payed and pensioned than similar roles with in the private world. They get better pay increases, well consistent anyway, and to be honest, working for a private sector company contracting within the public secotr, they are better off overall. I really do think that its all a myth. I Employ a Tupe'd person and they are on better money and benefits than i am. They are only 2 years older then me and technically her grade is 3 down from mine.
Things like nurses etc, there really isnt a comparible role.
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